Toor

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to feel. Just that comments about how silly the song lyrics are or that that's very rich and poor people in a country don't answer the question at hand.

I appreciate what you're saying and respect your opinion. That's a decent thoughtful response, thanks.

that there's*^

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sunday 5th March 2023, Liverpool 7 (SEVEN) - Manchester United 0 (U22930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 3 minutes ago
If you burn pound notes it’s treason, so I think booing the national anthem most certainly is.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_treason_in_the_United_Kingdom

Some reading for you 👍 what an utter tool.
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I said treason not high treason thanks
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Read the link?
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Course he hasn't. He's still struggling to read Rashford's book. That's why we're still waiting for his review 🤣

comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 8 seconds ago
Toor

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to feel. Just that comments about how silly the song lyrics are or that that's very rich and poor people in a country don't answer the question at hand.

I appreciate what you're saying and respect your opinion. That's a decent thoughtful response, thanks.
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Well that's also a reason for many people, not just from Liverpool. Every other country has a song with lyrics about how great the country and its people are. Our lyrics are about a god and a king. Firstly many don't agree there should be a monarchy at all, times have changed and secondly those people will likely refrain from singing the song, however if you add that to how you feel you have been treated by those in power, you get protest, in the form of booing, not just silence, which is how others from other cities show their displeasure.

There are legitimate reasons for some Liverpool fans to protest.

There are also Liverpool fans who just want to stir trouble and have absolutely no knowledge about the subject they’re apparently protesting about.

You can decide for yourselves as to what the approximate percentage of each would be.

https://youtu.be/jHdrtxw-pGQ

comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 8 seconds ago
Toor

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to feel. Just that comments about how silly the song lyrics are or that that's very rich and poor people in a country don't answer the question at hand.

I appreciate what you're saying and respect your opinion. That's a decent thoughtful response, thanks.
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Well that's also a reason for many people, not just from Liverpool. Every other country has a song with lyrics about how great the country and its people are. Our lyrics are about a god and a king. Firstly many don't agree there should be a monarchy at all, times have changed and secondly those people will likely refrain from singing the song, however if you add that to how you feel you have been treated by those in power, you get protest, in the form of booing, not just silence, which is how others from other cities show their displeasure.
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Fair enough. Though I think it's fair to say that the reaction in Liverpool is particularly noteworthy, for the reasons you've mentioned I expect. As for 'making it bigger than what it is' or whatever that's on you. Speak for your own feelings and for the area you identify with. Trying to apply those same sentiments to millions of people with hugely different experiences is not helpful.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
There are legitimate reasons for some Liverpool fans to protest.

There are also Liverpool fans who just want to stir trouble and have absolutely no knowledge about the subject they’re apparently protesting about.

You can decide for yourselves as to what the approximate percentage of each would be.
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Isn't that true of any protest? There will always be people with legitimate reason to protest and some who want to be seen to rebel without real knowledge of the true issues.

I can't say I've been to many protests in my life but I'd say it was true of any that I have been to.

comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 8 seconds ago
Toor

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to feel. Just that comments about how silly the song lyrics are or that that's very rich and poor people in a country don't answer the question at hand.

I appreciate what you're saying and respect your opinion. That's a decent thoughtful response, thanks.
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Well that's also a reason for many people, not just from Liverpool. Every other country has a song with lyrics about how great the country and its people are. Our lyrics are about a god and a king. Firstly many don't agree there should be a monarchy at all, times have changed and secondly those people will likely refrain from singing the song, however if you add that to how you feel you have been treated by those in power, you get protest, in the form of booing, not just silence, which is how others from other cities show their displeasure.
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Fair enough. Though I think it's fair to say that the reaction in Liverpool is particularly noteworthy, for the reasons you've mentioned I expect. As for 'making it bigger than what it is' or whatever that's on you. Speak for your own feelings and for the area you identify with. Trying to apply those same sentiments to millions of people with hugely different experiences is not helpful.
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Err that's exactly the point I was trying to make...however what I meant was you were making the comments about the lyrics and a god more than what they are. They aren't the reason for the booing. People who 'only' feel that way, just won't sing the song as they feel it's ridiculous and I'm inclined to agree with that view.

comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
There are legitimate reasons for some Liverpool fans to protest.

There are also Liverpool fans who just want to stir trouble and have absolutely no knowledge about the subject they’re apparently protesting about.

You can decide for yourselves as to what the approximate percentage of each would be.
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Isn't that true of any protest? There will always be people with legitimate reason to protest and some who want to be seen to rebel without real knowledge of the true issues.

I can't say I've been to many protests in my life but I'd say it was true of any that I have been to.
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I’d say there’s a difference in the percentage of those who have no real idea what they’re protesting in a football ground than on an organised protest march.

God didn't save the last royal, so why are people asking him to save this one 🤨

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
There are legitimate reasons for some Liverpool fans to protest.

There are also Liverpool fans who just want to stir trouble and have absolutely no knowledge about the subject they’re apparently protesting about.

You can decide for yourselves as to what the approximate percentage of each would be.
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Isn't that true of any protest? There will always be people with legitimate reason to protest and some who want to be seen to rebel without real knowledge of the true issues.

I can't say I've been to many protests in my life but I'd say it was true of any that I have been to.
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I’d say there’s a difference in the percentage of those who have no real idea what they’re protesting in a football ground than on an organised protest march.
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I'd say there's more protesters that turn up at every protest going 'just because' than there are football fans that would go to any match on 'just because'.

So where does that leave us?

I remember the BLM protests during lockdown when half of people out on the streets were just using it as an excuse to enjoy the weather.

It would be more instructive if scousers on here could explain why they don't respect the values of the country they live in.
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Booing the national anthem doesn't mean values are not respected. The national anthem is not a value.

‘Half’

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
There are legitimate reasons for some Liverpool fans to protest.

There are also Liverpool fans who just want to stir trouble and have absolutely no knowledge about the subject they’re apparently protesting about.

You can decide for yourselves as to what the approximate percentage of each would be.
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Isn't that true of any protest? There will always be people with legitimate reason to protest and some who want to be seen to rebel without real knowledge of the true issues.

I can't say I've been to many protests in my life but I'd say it was true of any that I have been to.
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I’d say there’s a difference in the percentage of those who have no real idea what they’re protesting in a football ground than on an organised protest march.
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Well surely everyone booing is disgusted at that feudal system that has lead to our agriculture sector failing to be efficient enough to make the country self sufficient.

comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 minutes ago
I remember the BLM protests during lockdown when half of people out on the streets were just using it as an excuse to enjoy the weather.
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I don't think it's that clear cut. There's a middle ground IMO where most people care about the protests but at the same time also want to enjoy the weather. I reckon the majority of the protesters in most protests fall within that category.

BLM protests took place in every country on earth or just about. Millions and millions of people protested. I'd say well over half of them care about the plight of the black man.

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 minutes ago
I remember the BLM protests during lockdown when half of people out on the streets were just using it as an excuse to enjoy the weather.
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I don't think it's that clear cut. There's a middle ground IMO where most people care about the protests but at the same time also want to enjoy the weather. I reckon the majority of the protesters in most protests fall within that category.

BLM protests took place in every country on earth or just about. Millions and millions of people protested. I'd say well over half of them care about the plight of the black man.
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Fair enough, I am just referring to what I witnessed in Ireland.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago

Well surely everyone booing is disgusted at that feudal system that has lead to our agriculture sector failing to be efficient enough to make the country self sufficient.
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You ask them all, aye?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Everyone can choose how they behave, and it’s not really a big issue.

Personally I’d just stay quiet rather than making a scene, but some of have the ability to act with decent more than others.
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I’m with you in that I’d stay quiet also.

But staying silent as a way to make a point (such as not singing the national anthem) doesn’t work in a crowd environment. Unless every one else stays silent also.

Booing to express an opinion of negativity towards an establishment can also be seen as a respectful form of protest. It is a non-violent form of protest, and if the numbers are large enough, then their point has been made.

I’m with the Liverpool fans in this respect. I don’t think they can be regarded as not being decent because they vocalised their objections (and being simply vocal is just about the most civilised way any group or individual can make their opinion known).

And as such, they don’t deserve negative criticism for this.

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Everyone can choose how they behave, and it’s not really a big issue.

Personally I’d just stay quiet rather than making a scene, but some of have the ability to act with decent more than others.
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I’m with you in that I’d stay quiet also.

But staying silent as a way to make a point (such as not singing the national anthem) doesn’t work in a crowd environment. Unless every one else stays silent also.

Booing to express an opinion of negativity towards an establishment can also be seen as a respectful form of protest. It is a non-violent form of protest, and if the numbers are large enough, then their point has been made.

I’m with the Liverpool fans in this respect. I don’t think they can be regarded as not being decent because they vocalised their objections (and being simply vocal is just about the most civilised way any group or individual can make their opinion known).

And as such, they don’t deserve negative criticism for this.
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I wasn’t suggesting I’d stay quiet to make a point.

I was just saying if I didn’t want to sing the anthem, I’d stay quiet.

I have no issue with those who genuinely wish to protest, but I suspect the majority of the crowd don’t fit that description.

The majority of fans are from Liverpool though and all have the same gripe with the Royal family so why would they not fit that description?

comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
The majority of fans are from Liverpool though and all have the same gripe with the Royal family so why would they not fit that description?
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I think much of the animosity is based on what was going on 30-40 years ago, at least, and most younger fans have far less reason to take issue… and suspect the majority of those fans just like causing a scene.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Everyone can choose how they behave, and it’s not really a big issue.

Personally I’d just stay quiet rather than making a scene, but some of have the ability to act with decent more than others.
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I’m with you in that I’d stay quiet also.

But staying silent as a way to make a point (such as not singing the national anthem) doesn’t work in a crowd environment. Unless every one else stays silent also.

Booing to express an opinion of negativity towards an establishment can also be seen as a respectful form of protest. It is a non-violent form of protest, and if the numbers are large enough, then their point has been made.

I’m with the Liverpool fans in this respect. I don’t think they can be regarded as not being decent because they vocalised their objections (and being simply vocal is just about the most civilised way any group or individual can make their opinion known).

And as such, they don’t deserve negative criticism for this.
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I wasn’t suggesting I’d stay quiet to make a point.

I was just saying if I didn’t want to sing the anthem, I’d stay quiet.

I have no issue with those who genuinely wish to protest, but I suspect the majority of the crowd don’t fit that description.
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Fair enough.

In regards to your last sentence, I don’t agree. I think the majority who did boo (which I don’t even think was the majority of the crowd overall), did so with genuine reasons.

Fair enough Ripleys.