comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
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comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
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comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
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comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
To play Devil’s Advocate, since 2005, Spurs’ average league position has been around 5th, oscillating between 2nd/3rd and 7th/8th. That obviously brings European football just about every season, and has allowed the club to stabilise revenue at a much higher level and in turn attract better quality players and staff.
If you look at the 30 seasons prior to 2005, Spurs were firmly a mid table side, and never anything more than that. They finished fifth or better on only five occasions during that period.
In terms of elevating the club, well that *has* happened under Levy’s leadership. Spurs were unquestionably a mid table club. Now they’re a European tier club.
Personally, I believe that it isn’t for fans of other clubs to judge what Spurs fans (or any other fans) should desire for their club; and I sympathise strongly with those who don’t believe the financial commitment is 100% there, who aren’t happy about the ticket prices, who don’t believe the football side of the business is well run, and/or would just like a facking trophy and are more bothered about that than consistently finishing top six.
But even the most ardent members of the Levy Out brigade must acknowledge that as things stand, if he walked away tomorrow, he’d be leaving the club in a better state than he found it in?
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Excellent post. But most of our fans won`t get it. Everything bad is Levy`s fault, and everything good is nothing to do with Levy. Very one side slant on things from large sections of our fanbase. They should remember where Spurs were drifting prior to ENIC taking over.
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Why can't you give Poch any credit then for those high league finishes and the CL final? You continuously tell us how rubbish he was and achieved nothing. Serial loser I think your words were.
Anyway, your hypocrisy aside, I do half agree with you. Levy does deserve some credit. The club is in a far better position than it was and the new stadium, love it or not, will secure the clubs future for many generations. It had to be done and he nailed it. I think he also deserves credit for keep Kane at the club for as long as he has.
However, I think it's clear that his time has come to an end and he needs to step aside. He's become the focus of everyone's hate (although it still baffles me how our players get such a free ride from our supporters) and is therefore a distraction. If he loves the club as much as he says, he should do the right thing.
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This article is about Levy and not Pochettino. But I did give Pochettino credit for his first three seasons, never have I said I didn't. But his last season was horrendous, and he was rightfully sacked, as any other manager would have been. I have since long moved on.
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And since that (incorrect) sacking, the club has nose dived. That's all on Levy's shoulders. He knows his time is up.
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It was a very correct sacking, and since then Pochettino has been sacked again. So why was Levy wrong? Football is a results business, and Pochettino was only taking Spurs one way, so was rightfully sacked. Plenty more successful managers than Pochettino have been sacked.
Conte was sacked when Spurs were 4th. Pochettino was sacked when Spurs were like 13th. So what was odd about him getting sacked?
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If we sack every manager that is 3pts of 5th place having only been through not even a 3rd of the season. There won’t be many managers we shouldn’t sack, going by that logic. Fact is any many fans feel, he should’ve had some wriggle room due to his previous seasons.
Also Conte was sacked for literally ridiculing Levy’s handling of the clubs success through the years.
This isn't a Poch article as you say, plus we'll never agree, but I firmly believe there were some significant extenuating circumstances during the last few months of his reign they you choose to ignore. The club was in total transition to the new stadium after having dealt with our temporary home and the delayed move. We had the CL Final fall out plus quite a lot of on field stuff that just derailed things. It would 100% have been turned around if we had some patience. We were the envy of many. Jose and co came in with nothing to worry about, got it all wrong and it's been terrible ever since. Unacceptable.
Plus I don't think Conte was sacked. He walked.
If you genuinely think we're in a better place then you need give your head a wobble.
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 16 minutes ago
This isn't a Poch article as you say, plus we'll never agree, but I firmly believe there were some significant extenuating circumstances during the last few months of his reign they you choose to ignore. The club was in total transition to the new stadium after having dealt with our temporary home and the delayed move. We had the CL Final fall out plus quite a lot of on field stuff that just derailed things. It would 100% have been turned around if we had some patience. We were the envy of many. Jose and co came in with nothing to worry about, got it all wrong and it's been terrible ever since. Unacceptable.
Plus I don't think Conte was sacked. He walked.
If you genuinely think we're in a better place then you need give your head a wobble.
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The facts are that Pochettino had Spurs best team for 20 odd years, and still won nothing. No excuses really. He just couldn't win when it mattered. The fact that both Ranieri and Roger's managed to win trophies with Leicestet should at least be telling you Pochettino should have done far better with much better players.
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 22 minutes ago
This isn't a Poch article as you say, plus we'll never agree, but I firmly believe there were some significant extenuating circumstances during the last few months of his reign they you choose to ignore. The club was in total transition to the new stadium after having dealt with our temporary home and the delayed move. We had the CL Final fall out plus quite a lot of on field stuff that just derailed things. It would 100% have been turned around if we had some patience. We were the envy of many. Jose and co came in with nothing to worry about, got it all wrong and it's been terrible ever since. Unacceptable.
Plus I don't think Conte was sacked. He walked.
If you genuinely think we're in a better place then you need give your head a wobble.
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Certainly no worse. Spurs had CL football this season. Conte performed a miracle to get top four with players that are clearly past their best.
Anyway looking forward now. No point in keep looking back.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 16 minutes ago
This isn't a Poch article as you say, plus we'll never agree, but I firmly believe there were some significant extenuating circumstances during the last few months of his reign they you choose to ignore. The club was in total transition to the new stadium after having dealt with our temporary home and the delayed move. We had the CL Final fall out plus quite a lot of on field stuff that just derailed things. It would 100% have been turned around if we had some patience. We were the envy of many. Jose and co came in with nothing to worry about, got it all wrong and it's been terrible ever since. Unacceptable.
Plus I don't think Conte was sacked. He walked.
If you genuinely think we're in a better place then you need give your head a wobble.
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The facts are that Pochettino had Spurs best team for 20 odd years, and still won nothing. No excuses really. He just couldn't win when it mattered. The fact that both Ranieri and Roger's managed to win trophies with Leicestet should at least be telling you Pochettino should have done far better with much better players.
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I don't disagree but the players also shoulder that blame. It's got a whole lot worse since though, that's the point.
And for the record, even though my heart wants Poch back, my head says no. He was the perfect fit for us though and hopefully your hero Levy gets the next decision right.
My view of ENIC is that the direction of travel over their tenure has been up.
There have of course been dips within that upward trajectory but that, to a degree, reflects how football fortunes ebb and flow. The powerhouses of Chelsea and United have had similar sorts of poor runs, Liverpool have been up and down over the last 10 years.
What makes these bad periods harder to swallow is the lack of trophies. A few cups here and there would ease the pain and for the fans, ease the mocking. It's such an easy stick to beat us with and in this social media driven world many expose themselves to ridicule by actually giving a shiiiit what other fans on an anonymous football forum say and think.
The upwards trajectory has plateaued and Levy is yet to prove he is able to guide the club to the next level. His decisions since the new stadium have largely been a disaster, so really this next phase, which includes a new DoF, new head coach, dumping the deadwood and what to do with Harry Kane are massive for him personally. Get this wrong and few will have any faith that he can take this club forward and all 'credit' he has built up for the significant progress of teh club will be cancelled out by a sustained period of failure and a growing record of failed key decisions.
For me Levy's legacy is really in the balance. The new stadium and finances is brilliant but if poor management and decision-making is holding us back then the stadium and finances are pointless.
For building the ground alone he should of been knighted 😆 The Sir levy stadium 👍
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Daniel Levy article
by Cloggy (U1250)24 May 2023
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I cant comment on Sandy's article, and this is not a Spurs bashing article. Just that his Levy article is laughable.
Under Levy Spurs have:
Reached a CL final. - won nothing
Finished 2nd in the Prem, best finish for 60 seasons. - won nothing
Competed in or around the top six for most of their tenure. Often in the top four. - won nothing
Won a league cup, not great, but still better than 90 per cent of clubs in England. - 15 years ago
Built a state of the art stadium, which allows supporters like me, not a season ticket holder, to have a greater access to match day tickets. - won nothing
Given the club one of the greatest ever strikers. - won nothing
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 16 minutes ago
This isn't a Poch article as you say, plus we'll never agree, but I firmly believe there were some significant extenuating circumstances during the last few months of his reign they you choose to ignore. The club was in total transition to the new stadium after having dealt with our temporary home and the delayed move. We had the CL Final fall out plus quite a lot of on field stuff that just derailed things. It would 100% have been turned around if we had some patience. We were the envy of many. Jose and co came in with nothing to worry about, got it all wrong and it's been terrible ever since. Unacceptable.
Plus I don't think Conte was sacked. He walked.
If you genuinely think we're in a better place then you need give your head a wobble.
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The facts are that Pochettino had Spurs best team for 20 odd years, and still won nothing. No excuses really. He just couldn't win when it mattered. The fact that both Ranieri and Roger's managed to win trophies with Leicestet should at least be telling you Pochettino should have done far better with much better players.
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I don't disagree but the players also shoulder that blame. It's got a whole lot worse since though, that's the point.
And for the record, even though my heart wants Poch back, my head says no. He was the perfect fit for us though and hopefully your hero Levy gets the next decision right.
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Levy is not my hero. But Spurs could do a lot worse.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 28 minutes ago
My view of ENIC is that the direction of travel over their tenure has been up.
There have of course been dips within that upward trajectory but that, to a degree, reflects how football fortunes ebb and flow. The powerhouses of Chelsea and United have had similar sorts of poor runs, Liverpool have been up and down over the last 10 years.
What makes these bad periods harder to swallow is the lack of trophies. A few cups here and there would ease the pain and for the fans, ease the mocking. It's such an easy stick to beat us with and in this social media driven world many expose themselves to ridicule by actually giving a shiiiit what other fans on an anonymous football forum say and think.
The upwards trajectory has plateaued and Levy is yet to prove he is able to guide the club to the next level. His decisions since the new stadium have largely been a disaster, so really this next phase, which includes a new DoF, new head coach, dumping the deadwood and what to do with Harry Kane are massive for him personally. Get this wrong and few will have any faith that he can take this club forward and all 'credit' he has built up for the significant progress of teh club will be cancelled out by a sustained period of failure and a growing record of failed key decisions.
For me Levy's legacy is really in the balance. The new stadium and finances is brilliant but if poor management and decision-making is holding us back then the stadium and finances are pointless.
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Well said.
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Daniel Levy article
by Cloggy (U1250)24 May 2023
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
I cant comment on Sandy's article, and this is not a Spurs bashing article. Just that his Levy article is laughable.
Under Levy Spurs have:
Reached a CL final. - won nothing
Finished 2nd in the Prem, best finish for 60 seasons. - won nothing
Competed in or around the top six for most of their tenure. Often in the top four. - won nothing
Won a league cup, not great, but still better than 90 per cent of clubs in England. - 15 years ago
Built a state of the art stadium, which allows supporters like me, not a season ticket holder, to have a greater access to match day tickets. - won nothing
Given the club one of the greatest ever strikers. - won nothing
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Totally pointless post.
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comment by Radical (U8691)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Reached a CL final.
Finished 2nd in the Prem, best finish for 60 seasons.
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Yet the manager who got you those is bang average apparently..
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Then he proceeded to get "Instant" success by hiring Nuno, JM and Conte and got burnt
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas p... (U18599)
posted 11 minutes ago
From Cloggy
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Daniel Levy article
by Cloggy (U1250)24 May 2023
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
I cant comment on Sandy's article, and this is not a Spurs bashing article. Just that his Levy article is laughable.
Under Levy Spurs have:
Reached a CL final. - won nothing
Finished 2nd in the Prem, best finish for 60 seasons. - won nothing
Competed in or around the top six for most of their tenure. Often in the top four. - won nothing
Won a league cup, not great, but still better than 90 per cent of clubs in England. - 15 years ago
Built a state of the art stadium, which allows supporters like me, not a season ticket holder, to have a greater access to match day tickets. - won nothing
Given the club one of the greatest ever strikers. - won nothing
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Totally pointless post.
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Well it's not is it? He's factually correct no?
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
As usual the truth is somewhere in between. Off the pitch Levy has been brilliant, on the pitch he was an early success but it first turned stale and now is beginning to rot.
He has had a good tenure aside from trophies and seeing us play CL regularly was taking us to new heights - to make a final was incredible.
However, the last 4/5 seasons have been nothing short of disastrous and have set the club back significantly. Levy needs to take a complete step back from football operations now before we’re dragged down further as he has completely lost the plot. Bring in Slot, let Munn go the rest of the football stuff, set a budget each year - other than that, faaaack off, just do the commercial stuff and if you are bored then go and tinker in the garden
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Would you just go away and tinker in the garden if you had just put massive investment into your club. I doubt it. He has as much right to have input into his OWN club, as we do as supporters. Probably moreso. We can just walk away if we want to, no financial downside. He cannot just walk away until he finds a buyer, so he has to be very heavily involved. You do not have to be Einstein to know that.
Levy will go nowhere, until a buyer comes in. So Simple.
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If it was the best thing for my investment I would Sandy.
I have shared in Aviva that pay me a nice little divvy - although down 5% today. I invested in them - I do t have the first faaacking clue about how to run them though.
Joe Lewis is the majority owner and he stays well out of it - it wouldn’t be that hard for Levy to stop being a khunt and let football people do the football whilst he secures us a new toilet roll partner
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comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
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comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas p... (U18599)
posted 11 minutes ago
From Cloggy
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Daniel Levy article
by Cloggy (U1250)24 May 2023
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
I cant comment on Sandy's article, and this is not a Spurs bashing article. Just that his Levy article is laughable.
Under Levy Spurs have:
Reached a CL final. - won nothing
Finished 2nd in the Prem, best finish for 60 seasons. - won nothing
Competed in or around the top six for most of their tenure. Often in the top four. - won nothing
Won a league cup, not great, but still better than 90 per cent of clubs in England. - 15 years ago
Built a state of the art stadium, which allows supporters like me, not a season ticket holder, to have a greater access to match day tickets. - won nothing
Given the club one of the greatest ever strikers. - won nothing
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Totally pointless post.
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Well it's not is it? He's factually correct no?
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He is factually correct but loses some of the context - competing between 4-6 for the majority of his tenure is very significant regardless of the lack of trophies as it has massively increased both the profile and the value of the club. If we were still dabbling around mid table like pre his tenure the. Harry Kane would have gone 5 years ago.
Levy has had some “success”. My biggest issue with him is I believe he looks at winning the FA cup or League cup and thinks “small prize money, Europa league place” rather than “wow what a huge boost that will be for the whole club, it might spur us on to the bigger trophies” - guess work, but I bet I am not far wrong
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
WUM
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100%
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
WUM
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100%
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Apparently Levy gets all the credit for the good things that happened under Poch, but all the bad things that happened under Poch, Poch is to blame for it.
How can one not be a WUM with that sort of thinking.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
WUM
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100%
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Apparently Levy gets all the credit for the good things that happened under Poch, but all the bad things that happened under Poch, Poch is to blame for it.
How can one not be a WUM with that sort of thinking.
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Sandy is on the wind up with this article. Can’t be bothered to entertain it.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
WUM
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100%
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Apparently Levy gets all the credit for the good things that happened under Poch, but all the bad things that happened under Poch, Poch is to blame for it.
How can one not be a WUM with that sort of thinking.
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Sandy is on the wind up with this article. Can’t be bothered to entertain it.
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Yes mate, it gets boring.
I wonder how Sandy will treat Slot.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
WUM
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Apparently Levy gets all the credit for the good things that happened under Poch, but all the bad things that happened under Poch, Poch is to blame for it.
How can one not be a WUM with that sort of thinking.
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Sandy is on the wind up with this article. Can’t be bothered to entertain it.
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He's only doing what you are inacapable of doing which is acknowledging that Levy is not pure bad. In considering what's best for the club one should balance the good with the bad rather than just blaming Levy for everything and ignoring anything positive.
What many are calling for is much the same as what Levy did, and is hugely criticised for, with Poch.
Poch developed us massively, raised our quality and our profile and took us to a new level. That level ultimately wasnt successful in terms of cups, and in the end he went a prolonged time where results were dreadful and we didnt win away from 9 months.
We all remember the positives of Poch and felt he had credit in the bank (ironically, except Sandy )
Those who properly reflect on Spurs tenure under ENIC/Levy must acknowledge the great deal of good that has happened and despite the more recent shambles, we remain in a much stronger position and able to come back, if we get the nextset of decisions right.
I would have liked Poch to have got that chance as he deserved it, and in the same way, I am happy for Levy to get that chance and if he gets it all wrong then he deserves what's coming to him which will be large scale fan revolt.
What Levy has done is to keep one of the best players to ever play the game tethered to a stinking quagmire of a club.
Time is long overdue for that player to leave Levy and his rubbish games, and go where he may be able to achieve his own stated ambitions...win some silverware.
And Sandy's silly list is just an empty windup that will only fool the under ten year-olds on here!
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
What Levy has done is to keep one of the best players to ever play the game tethered to a stinking quagmire of a club.
Time is long overdue for that player to leave Levy and his rubbish games, and go where he may be able to achieve his own stated ambitions...win some silverware.
And Sandy's silly list is just an empty windup that will only fool the under ten year-olds on here!
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Ted, the list is all 100 per cent correct. Unless you want mr to post lies, like lots of the posters do.
Amazing how so many posters cannot handle FACTS without having to resort to name calling and petty insults.
Sign in if you want to comment
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posted on 24/5/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 13 minutes ago
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comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
To play Devil’s Advocate, since 2005, Spurs’ average league position has been around 5th, oscillating between 2nd/3rd and 7th/8th. That obviously brings European football just about every season, and has allowed the club to stabilise revenue at a much higher level and in turn attract better quality players and staff.
If you look at the 30 seasons prior to 2005, Spurs were firmly a mid table side, and never anything more than that. They finished fifth or better on only five occasions during that period.
In terms of elevating the club, well that *has* happened under Levy’s leadership. Spurs were unquestionably a mid table club. Now they’re a European tier club.
Personally, I believe that it isn’t for fans of other clubs to judge what Spurs fans (or any other fans) should desire for their club; and I sympathise strongly with those who don’t believe the financial commitment is 100% there, who aren’t happy about the ticket prices, who don’t believe the football side of the business is well run, and/or would just like a facking trophy and are more bothered about that than consistently finishing top six.
But even the most ardent members of the Levy Out brigade must acknowledge that as things stand, if he walked away tomorrow, he’d be leaving the club in a better state than he found it in?
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Excellent post. But most of our fans won`t get it. Everything bad is Levy`s fault, and everything good is nothing to do with Levy. Very one side slant on things from large sections of our fanbase. They should remember where Spurs were drifting prior to ENIC taking over.
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Why can't you give Poch any credit then for those high league finishes and the CL final? You continuously tell us how rubbish he was and achieved nothing. Serial loser I think your words were.
Anyway, your hypocrisy aside, I do half agree with you. Levy does deserve some credit. The club is in a far better position than it was and the new stadium, love it or not, will secure the clubs future for many generations. It had to be done and he nailed it. I think he also deserves credit for keep Kane at the club for as long as he has.
However, I think it's clear that his time has come to an end and he needs to step aside. He's become the focus of everyone's hate (although it still baffles me how our players get such a free ride from our supporters) and is therefore a distraction. If he loves the club as much as he says, he should do the right thing.
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This article is about Levy and not Pochettino. But I did give Pochettino credit for his first three seasons, never have I said I didn't. But his last season was horrendous, and he was rightfully sacked, as any other manager would have been. I have since long moved on.
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And since that (incorrect) sacking, the club has nose dived. That's all on Levy's shoulders. He knows his time is up.
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It was a very correct sacking, and since then Pochettino has been sacked again. So why was Levy wrong? Football is a results business, and Pochettino was only taking Spurs one way, so was rightfully sacked. Plenty more successful managers than Pochettino have been sacked.
Conte was sacked when Spurs were 4th. Pochettino was sacked when Spurs were like 13th. So what was odd about him getting sacked?
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If we sack every manager that is 3pts of 5th place having only been through not even a 3rd of the season. There won’t be many managers we shouldn’t sack, going by that logic. Fact is any many fans feel, he should’ve had some wriggle room due to his previous seasons.
posted on 24/5/23
Also Conte was sacked for literally ridiculing Levy’s handling of the clubs success through the years.
posted on 24/5/23
This isn't a Poch article as you say, plus we'll never agree, but I firmly believe there were some significant extenuating circumstances during the last few months of his reign they you choose to ignore. The club was in total transition to the new stadium after having dealt with our temporary home and the delayed move. We had the CL Final fall out plus quite a lot of on field stuff that just derailed things. It would 100% have been turned around if we had some patience. We were the envy of many. Jose and co came in with nothing to worry about, got it all wrong and it's been terrible ever since. Unacceptable.
Plus I don't think Conte was sacked. He walked.
If you genuinely think we're in a better place then you need give your head a wobble.
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 16 minutes ago
This isn't a Poch article as you say, plus we'll never agree, but I firmly believe there were some significant extenuating circumstances during the last few months of his reign they you choose to ignore. The club was in total transition to the new stadium after having dealt with our temporary home and the delayed move. We had the CL Final fall out plus quite a lot of on field stuff that just derailed things. It would 100% have been turned around if we had some patience. We were the envy of many. Jose and co came in with nothing to worry about, got it all wrong and it's been terrible ever since. Unacceptable.
Plus I don't think Conte was sacked. He walked.
If you genuinely think we're in a better place then you need give your head a wobble.
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The facts are that Pochettino had Spurs best team for 20 odd years, and still won nothing. No excuses really. He just couldn't win when it mattered. The fact that both Ranieri and Roger's managed to win trophies with Leicestet should at least be telling you Pochettino should have done far better with much better players.
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 22 minutes ago
This isn't a Poch article as you say, plus we'll never agree, but I firmly believe there were some significant extenuating circumstances during the last few months of his reign they you choose to ignore. The club was in total transition to the new stadium after having dealt with our temporary home and the delayed move. We had the CL Final fall out plus quite a lot of on field stuff that just derailed things. It would 100% have been turned around if we had some patience. We were the envy of many. Jose and co came in with nothing to worry about, got it all wrong and it's been terrible ever since. Unacceptable.
Plus I don't think Conte was sacked. He walked.
If you genuinely think we're in a better place then you need give your head a wobble.
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Certainly no worse. Spurs had CL football this season. Conte performed a miracle to get top four with players that are clearly past their best.
Anyway looking forward now. No point in keep looking back.
posted on 24/5/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 16 minutes ago
This isn't a Poch article as you say, plus we'll never agree, but I firmly believe there were some significant extenuating circumstances during the last few months of his reign they you choose to ignore. The club was in total transition to the new stadium after having dealt with our temporary home and the delayed move. We had the CL Final fall out plus quite a lot of on field stuff that just derailed things. It would 100% have been turned around if we had some patience. We were the envy of many. Jose and co came in with nothing to worry about, got it all wrong and it's been terrible ever since. Unacceptable.
Plus I don't think Conte was sacked. He walked.
If you genuinely think we're in a better place then you need give your head a wobble.
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The facts are that Pochettino had Spurs best team for 20 odd years, and still won nothing. No excuses really. He just couldn't win when it mattered. The fact that both Ranieri and Roger's managed to win trophies with Leicestet should at least be telling you Pochettino should have done far better with much better players.
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I don't disagree but the players also shoulder that blame. It's got a whole lot worse since though, that's the point.
And for the record, even though my heart wants Poch back, my head says no. He was the perfect fit for us though and hopefully your hero Levy gets the next decision right.
posted on 24/5/23
My view of ENIC is that the direction of travel over their tenure has been up.
There have of course been dips within that upward trajectory but that, to a degree, reflects how football fortunes ebb and flow. The powerhouses of Chelsea and United have had similar sorts of poor runs, Liverpool have been up and down over the last 10 years.
What makes these bad periods harder to swallow is the lack of trophies. A few cups here and there would ease the pain and for the fans, ease the mocking. It's such an easy stick to beat us with and in this social media driven world many expose themselves to ridicule by actually giving a shiiiit what other fans on an anonymous football forum say and think.
The upwards trajectory has plateaued and Levy is yet to prove he is able to guide the club to the next level. His decisions since the new stadium have largely been a disaster, so really this next phase, which includes a new DoF, new head coach, dumping the deadwood and what to do with Harry Kane are massive for him personally. Get this wrong and few will have any faith that he can take this club forward and all 'credit' he has built up for the significant progress of teh club will be cancelled out by a sustained period of failure and a growing record of failed key decisions.
For me Levy's legacy is really in the balance. The new stadium and finances is brilliant but if poor management and decision-making is holding us back then the stadium and finances are pointless.
posted on 24/5/23
For building the ground alone he should of been knighted 😆 The Sir levy stadium 👍
posted on 24/5/23
From Cloggy
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Browse: Football Premier League Tottenham Hotspur
14 CommentsArticle Rating 5 Stars
Daniel Levy article
by Cloggy (U1250)24 May 2023
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
I cant comment on Sandy's article, and this is not a Spurs bashing article. Just that his Levy article is laughable.
Under Levy Spurs have:
Reached a CL final. - won nothing
Finished 2nd in the Prem, best finish for 60 seasons. - won nothing
Competed in or around the top six for most of their tenure. Often in the top four. - won nothing
Won a league cup, not great, but still better than 90 per cent of clubs in England. - 15 years ago
Built a state of the art stadium, which allows supporters like me, not a season ticket holder, to have a greater access to match day tickets. - won nothing
Given the club one of the greatest ever strikers. - won nothing
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 16 minutes ago
This isn't a Poch article as you say, plus we'll never agree, but I firmly believe there were some significant extenuating circumstances during the last few months of his reign they you choose to ignore. The club was in total transition to the new stadium after having dealt with our temporary home and the delayed move. We had the CL Final fall out plus quite a lot of on field stuff that just derailed things. It would 100% have been turned around if we had some patience. We were the envy of many. Jose and co came in with nothing to worry about, got it all wrong and it's been terrible ever since. Unacceptable.
Plus I don't think Conte was sacked. He walked.
If you genuinely think we're in a better place then you need give your head a wobble.
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The facts are that Pochettino had Spurs best team for 20 odd years, and still won nothing. No excuses really. He just couldn't win when it mattered. The fact that both Ranieri and Roger's managed to win trophies with Leicestet should at least be telling you Pochettino should have done far better with much better players.
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I don't disagree but the players also shoulder that blame. It's got a whole lot worse since though, that's the point.
And for the record, even though my heart wants Poch back, my head says no. He was the perfect fit for us though and hopefully your hero Levy gets the next decision right.
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Levy is not my hero. But Spurs could do a lot worse.
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 28 minutes ago
My view of ENIC is that the direction of travel over their tenure has been up.
There have of course been dips within that upward trajectory but that, to a degree, reflects how football fortunes ebb and flow. The powerhouses of Chelsea and United have had similar sorts of poor runs, Liverpool have been up and down over the last 10 years.
What makes these bad periods harder to swallow is the lack of trophies. A few cups here and there would ease the pain and for the fans, ease the mocking. It's such an easy stick to beat us with and in this social media driven world many expose themselves to ridicule by actually giving a shiiiit what other fans on an anonymous football forum say and think.
The upwards trajectory has plateaued and Levy is yet to prove he is able to guide the club to the next level. His decisions since the new stadium have largely been a disaster, so really this next phase, which includes a new DoF, new head coach, dumping the deadwood and what to do with Harry Kane are massive for him personally. Get this wrong and few will have any faith that he can take this club forward and all 'credit' he has built up for the significant progress of teh club will be cancelled out by a sustained period of failure and a growing record of failed key decisions.
For me Levy's legacy is really in the balance. The new stadium and finances is brilliant but if poor management and decision-making is holding us back then the stadium and finances are pointless.
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Well said.
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas p... (U18599)
posted 11 minutes ago
From Cloggy
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Browse: Football Premier League Tottenham Hotspur
14 CommentsArticle Rating 5 Stars
Daniel Levy article
by Cloggy (U1250)24 May 2023
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
I cant comment on Sandy's article, and this is not a Spurs bashing article. Just that his Levy article is laughable.
Under Levy Spurs have:
Reached a CL final. - won nothing
Finished 2nd in the Prem, best finish for 60 seasons. - won nothing
Competed in or around the top six for most of their tenure. Often in the top four. - won nothing
Won a league cup, not great, but still better than 90 per cent of clubs in England. - 15 years ago
Built a state of the art stadium, which allows supporters like me, not a season ticket holder, to have a greater access to match day tickets. - won nothing
Given the club one of the greatest ever strikers. - won nothing
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Totally pointless post.
posted on 24/5/23
Comment deleted by Article Creator
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Radical (U8691)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Reached a CL final.
Finished 2nd in the Prem, best finish for 60 seasons.
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Yet the manager who got you those is bang average apparently..
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Then he proceeded to get "Instant" success by hiring Nuno, JM and Conte and got burnt
posted on 24/5/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas p... (U18599)
posted 11 minutes ago
From Cloggy
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Browse: Football Premier League Tottenham Hotspur
14 CommentsArticle Rating 5 Stars
Daniel Levy article
by Cloggy (U1250)24 May 2023
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
I cant comment on Sandy's article, and this is not a Spurs bashing article. Just that his Levy article is laughable.
Under Levy Spurs have:
Reached a CL final. - won nothing
Finished 2nd in the Prem, best finish for 60 seasons. - won nothing
Competed in or around the top six for most of their tenure. Often in the top four. - won nothing
Won a league cup, not great, but still better than 90 per cent of clubs in England. - 15 years ago
Built a state of the art stadium, which allows supporters like me, not a season ticket holder, to have a greater access to match day tickets. - won nothing
Given the club one of the greatest ever strikers. - won nothing
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Totally pointless post.
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Well it's not is it? He's factually correct no?
posted on 24/5/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
As usual the truth is somewhere in between. Off the pitch Levy has been brilliant, on the pitch he was an early success but it first turned stale and now is beginning to rot.
He has had a good tenure aside from trophies and seeing us play CL regularly was taking us to new heights - to make a final was incredible.
However, the last 4/5 seasons have been nothing short of disastrous and have set the club back significantly. Levy needs to take a complete step back from football operations now before we’re dragged down further as he has completely lost the plot. Bring in Slot, let Munn go the rest of the football stuff, set a budget each year - other than that, faaaack off, just do the commercial stuff and if you are bored then go and tinker in the garden
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Would you just go away and tinker in the garden if you had just put massive investment into your club. I doubt it. He has as much right to have input into his OWN club, as we do as supporters. Probably moreso. We can just walk away if we want to, no financial downside. He cannot just walk away until he finds a buyer, so he has to be very heavily involved. You do not have to be Einstein to know that.
Levy will go nowhere, until a buyer comes in. So Simple.
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If it was the best thing for my investment I would Sandy.
I have shared in Aviva that pay me a nice little divvy - although down 5% today. I invested in them - I do t have the first faaacking clue about how to run them though.
Joe Lewis is the majority owner and he stays well out of it - it wouldn’t be that hard for Levy to stop being a khunt and let football people do the football whilst he secures us a new toilet roll partner
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas p... (U18599)
posted 11 minutes ago
From Cloggy
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Browse: Football Premier League Tottenham Hotspur
14 CommentsArticle Rating 5 Stars
Daniel Levy article
by Cloggy (U1250)24 May 2023
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
I cant comment on Sandy's article, and this is not a Spurs bashing article. Just that his Levy article is laughable.
Under Levy Spurs have:
Reached a CL final. - won nothing
Finished 2nd in the Prem, best finish for 60 seasons. - won nothing
Competed in or around the top six for most of their tenure. Often in the top four. - won nothing
Won a league cup, not great, but still better than 90 per cent of clubs in England. - 15 years ago
Built a state of the art stadium, which allows supporters like me, not a season ticket holder, to have a greater access to match day tickets. - won nothing
Given the club one of the greatest ever strikers. - won nothing
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Totally pointless post.
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Well it's not is it? He's factually correct no?
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He is factually correct but loses some of the context - competing between 4-6 for the majority of his tenure is very significant regardless of the lack of trophies as it has massively increased both the profile and the value of the club. If we were still dabbling around mid table like pre his tenure the. Harry Kane would have gone 5 years ago.
Levy has had some “success”. My biggest issue with him is I believe he looks at winning the FA cup or League cup and thinks “small prize money, Europa league place” rather than “wow what a huge boost that will be for the whole club, it might spur us on to the bigger trophies” - guess work, but I bet I am not far wrong
posted on 24/5/23
WUM
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
WUM
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100%
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
WUM
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Apparently Levy gets all the credit for the good things that happened under Poch, but all the bad things that happened under Poch, Poch is to blame for it.
How can one not be a WUM with that sort of thinking.
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
WUM
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100%
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Apparently Levy gets all the credit for the good things that happened under Poch, but all the bad things that happened under Poch, Poch is to blame for it.
How can one not be a WUM with that sort of thinking.
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Sandy is on the wind up with this article. Can’t be bothered to entertain it.
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
WUM
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100%
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Apparently Levy gets all the credit for the good things that happened under Poch, but all the bad things that happened under Poch, Poch is to blame for it.
How can one not be a WUM with that sort of thinking.
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Sandy is on the wind up with this article. Can’t be bothered to entertain it.
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Yes mate, it gets boring.
I wonder how Sandy will treat Slot.
posted on 24/5/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
WUM
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100%
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Apparently Levy gets all the credit for the good things that happened under Poch, but all the bad things that happened under Poch, Poch is to blame for it.
How can one not be a WUM with that sort of thinking.
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Sandy is on the wind up with this article. Can’t be bothered to entertain it.
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He's only doing what you are inacapable of doing which is acknowledging that Levy is not pure bad. In considering what's best for the club one should balance the good with the bad rather than just blaming Levy for everything and ignoring anything positive.
What many are calling for is much the same as what Levy did, and is hugely criticised for, with Poch.
Poch developed us massively, raised our quality and our profile and took us to a new level. That level ultimately wasnt successful in terms of cups, and in the end he went a prolonged time where results were dreadful and we didnt win away from 9 months.
We all remember the positives of Poch and felt he had credit in the bank (ironically, except Sandy )
Those who properly reflect on Spurs tenure under ENIC/Levy must acknowledge the great deal of good that has happened and despite the more recent shambles, we remain in a much stronger position and able to come back, if we get the nextset of decisions right.
I would have liked Poch to have got that chance as he deserved it, and in the same way, I am happy for Levy to get that chance and if he gets it all wrong then he deserves what's coming to him which will be large scale fan revolt.
posted on 24/5/23
What Levy has done is to keep one of the best players to ever play the game tethered to a stinking quagmire of a club.
Time is long overdue for that player to leave Levy and his rubbish games, and go where he may be able to achieve his own stated ambitions...win some silverware.
And Sandy's silly list is just an empty windup that will only fool the under ten year-olds on here!
posted on 24/5/23
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
What Levy has done is to keep one of the best players to ever play the game tethered to a stinking quagmire of a club.
Time is long overdue for that player to leave Levy and his rubbish games, and go where he may be able to achieve his own stated ambitions...win some silverware.
And Sandy's silly list is just an empty windup that will only fool the under ten year-olds on here!
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Ted, the list is all 100 per cent correct. Unless you want mr to post lies, like lots of the posters do.
Amazing how so many posters cannot handle FACTS without having to resort to name calling and petty insults.
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