Thought the United penalty was correct.
City definitely should have had a penalty for that foul.
Casemiro got off scot free when it should have been a yellow and could have been red (he got given a free kick somehow).
And Fred got dealt with very lightly. Could have had 4 yellows, but I guess the ref was taking the occasion into account.
City should have won by a few, the early goal probably made them complacent.
Funny seeing a City fan moaning about level playing fields….
United pen correct, but clearly an issue with the rule, nobody wants to see pens given for that.
Casemiro one was strange, what is the point of VAR looking at it and then still awarding United the FK? Yellow at least that, and he could have easily have had a second for kicking the ball at Grealish.
Kevs could have been given, we’ve all seen them before. Would have been a bit soft, but so was theirs.
I thought the United one was harsh to say the least. Given the situation it would have been impossible for it to be intentional... if a striking the hand is all it takes for a penalty to be given then at the other end of the pitct the ball also hit Wan Bissakas arms when a cross came in albeit his arms where by his weist and he saw the ball coming and he moved towards the ball with his arm and weist... this is just my observation, it might be blue tinted but I always try to give a fair opinion D'J.
Yet again this forum is full of people who can’t handle the fact that the referee had a different opinion to them, and the handball… for people to be saying that shouldn’t be given is just bizarre.
The rule is stupid but those sorts of incidents have been classed as handball all season. People really will complain about anything if it’s a club they hate.
The Casemiro incident was clearly him stepping to protect the ball and being fouled. The idea is was a red card against him is laughable.
Thought the ref had an excellent game. Only complaint was the decision against Cas when United were on top, apparently for jumping in the air.
City were deserved winners and the referee had no adverse impact on the game.
Reffing was awful, how Fred stayed on when he could easily have had 4 yellows is beyond me. Casemiro should have had a yellow for the foul on Akanji, you aren't fouled by putting your foot on another players ankle. No complaints about the Grealish pen, the fault is the rule, not the interpretation. However, the block on KDB was as clear a penalty as you will see.
That is why English refs don't get to big games internationally.
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 49 seconds ago
Reffing was awful, how Fred stayed on when he could easily have had 4 yellows is beyond me. Casemiro should have had a yellow for the foul on Akanji, you aren't fouled by putting your foot on another players ankle. No complaints about the Grealish pen, the fault is the rule, not the interpretation. However, the block on KDB was as clear a penalty as you will see.
That is why English refs don't get to big games internationally.
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Case in point.
Most fans just can’t seem to understand that just because a referee doesn’t give the decision that you think is the right one, it doesn’t make them wrong.
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 1 minute ago
Reffing was awful, how Fred stayed on when he could easily have had 4 yellows is beyond me. Casemiro should have had a yellow for the foul on Akanji, you aren't fouled by putting your foot on another players ankle. No complaints about the Grealish pen, the fault is the rule, not the interpretation. However, the block on KDB was as clear a penalty as you will see.
That is why English refs don't get to big games internationally.
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Hey, an English ref got the only European final an English ref could have this season - and there was no controversy there...
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
Winston is definitely Mike Riley. The refs are perfect and nobody can question them.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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No, you're right with that particular decision. Also I'd hope yellow cards would only be issued when you're sure but I suppose if you're giving that as a foul, you have to give the yellow.
Also I get your view on referees, players make it difficult for them but I know he's not the best referee to ref an FA Cup final.
We had Anthony Taylor at the Europa League final, some poor decisions resulting in controversy and of course scences which mistakes don't deserve but you can understand the anger.
We simply don't have top quality referees in the PL, even accounting for people not understanding the rules, subjectivity etc.
For me Michael Oliver has been the best referee for several years and he's had a poor season. Perhaps it's not the individual butnthe guidance they're given. They clearly need help.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 45 seconds ago
Winston is definitely Mike Riley. The refs are perfect and nobody can question them.
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He just realised it’s a great angle for him to draw people into endless ‘debates’.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Winston is definitely Mike Riley. The refs are perfect and nobody can question them.
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Ah yes, make up something I haven’t said because you’re incapable of debating anything like an adult.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 45 seconds ago
Winston is definitely Mike Riley. The refs are perfect and nobody can question them.
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He just realised it’s a great angle for him to draw people into endless ‘debates’.
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And another…. Straight for the personal comments, searching the forum for an argument.
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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No, you're right with that particular decision. Also I'd hope yellow cards would only be issued when you're sure but I suppose if you're giving that as a foul, you have to give the yellow.
Also I get your view on referees, players make it difficult for them but I know he's not the best referee to ref an FA Cup final.
We had Anthony Taylor at the Europa League final, some poor decisions resulting in controversy and of course scences which mistakes don't deserve but you can understand the anger.
We simply don't have top quality referees in the PL, even accounting for people not understanding the rules, subjectivity etc.
For me Michael Oliver has been the best referee for several years and he's had a poor season. Perhaps it's not the individual butnthe guidance they're given. They clearly need help.
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The referee made no mistakes today.
There are a handful of decisions people disagree with.
And yet people on here are absolutely slating him.
The refs are the problem here. The fans are.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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Thought there was contact on the Grealish one? Only seen it once though. Obviously he seemed to make the most of it.
The Casemiro on Bernardo one, think it looked like he’d gone through his back at the time which is why he might have given it. Wouldn’t say either were major talking points though, the Grealish handball and the Casemiro challenge on Akanji certainly bigger incidents.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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Thought there was contact on the Grealish one? Only seen it once though. Obviously he seemed to make the most of it.
The Casemiro on Bernardo one, think it looked like he’d gone through his back at the time which is why he might have given it. Wouldn’t say either were major talking points though, the Grealish handball and the Casemiro challenge on Akanji certainly bigger incidents.
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Grealish was barely touched and leapt in the air… it was clear cheating I’m afraid.
Agreed about the bigger incidents but both of them were perfectly justifiable.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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No, you're right with that particular decision. Also I'd hope yellow cards would only be issued when you're sure but I suppose if you're giving that as a foul, you have to give the yellow.
Also I get your view on referees, players make it difficult for them but I know he's not the best referee to ref an FA Cup final.
We had Anthony Taylor at the Europa League final, some poor decisions resulting in controversy and of course scences which mistakes don't deserve but you can understand the anger.
We simply don't have top quality referees in the PL, even accounting for people not understanding the rules, subjectivity etc.
For me Michael Oliver has been the best referee for several years and he's had a poor season. Perhaps it's not the individual butnthe guidance they're given. They clearly need help.
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The referee made no mistakes today.
There are a handful of decisions people disagree with.
And yet people on here are absolutely slating him.
The refs are the problem here. The fans are.
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Referees can make mistakes. We can't say everything eas subjective and can go either way. They have training and guidance to help them determine which way, as well as the laws.
I understand the angle you're coming from and I believe most people don't agree with that angle but you've went too far that direction.
Yes many decisions are subjective and not a mistake if they call it one way but then you have decisions which are simply mistakes. I'm not sure how much Italian or Spanish or other football you watch but the referees are much better with less mistakes, not even accounting for the subjective ones.
Again, not every decision is subjective, in theory probably but definitely not.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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Thought there was contact on the Grealish one? Only seen it once though. Obviously he seemed to make the most of it.
The Casemiro on Bernardo one, think it looked like he’d gone through his back at the time which is why he might have given it. Wouldn’t say either were major talking points though, the Grealish handball and the Casemiro challenge on Akanji certainly bigger incidents.
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Grealish was barely touched and leapt in the air… it was clear cheating I’m afraid.
Agreed about the bigger incidents but both of them were perfectly justifiable.
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If he even was touched. I'm not so sure.
TOOR, I never said otherwise.
But today, aside from the obvious dive, he didn’t.
We’re discussing todays game, aren’t we?
The foul on KDB was clearly a penalty, no intention to get the ball, no intention to do anything other than block or trip KDB.
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 30 seconds ago
The foul on KDB was clearly a penalty, no intention to get the ball, no intention to do anything other than block or trip KDB.
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My initial thought was pen.
I think the referee thought Fred was placing his foot to protect the ball, perhaps.
You really need to try and see why the referee (and VAR) disagreed, rather than just take your own opinion as the only valid one.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
TOOR, I never said otherwise.
But today, aside from the obvious dive, he didn’t.
We’re discussing todays game, aren’t we?
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To be fair I wasn't concentrating on the game too much, with it being the worst two teams in the final I could imagine but if we're talking big decisions, I think he got three wrong. The Grealish dive/AWB yellow, the penalty handball(which I accept is subjective) and the Casemiro chesting the ball and conceding a freekick(dangerous position). There were several others which I thought were wrong decisions(subjective) and I just don't think he's good enough, which added to his attitude when giving them, basically laughing at the players highlighting the 'mistake' just frustrates me.
He's just not a top tier referee.
Although I will say I agree referees have an impossible job and many decisions are subjective which fans fail to recognise, I think you go too far in defending that.
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posted on 3/6/23
Thought the United penalty was correct.
City definitely should have had a penalty for that foul.
Casemiro got off scot free when it should have been a yellow and could have been red (he got given a free kick somehow).
And Fred got dealt with very lightly. Could have had 4 yellows, but I guess the ref was taking the occasion into account.
City should have won by a few, the early goal probably made them complacent.
posted on 3/6/23
Funny seeing a City fan moaning about level playing fields….
posted on 3/6/23
United pen correct, but clearly an issue with the rule, nobody wants to see pens given for that.
Casemiro one was strange, what is the point of VAR looking at it and then still awarding United the FK? Yellow at least that, and he could have easily have had a second for kicking the ball at Grealish.
Kevs could have been given, we’ve all seen them before. Would have been a bit soft, but so was theirs.
posted on 3/6/23
I thought the United one was harsh to say the least. Given the situation it would have been impossible for it to be intentional... if a striking the hand is all it takes for a penalty to be given then at the other end of the pitct the ball also hit Wan Bissakas arms when a cross came in albeit his arms where by his weist and he saw the ball coming and he moved towards the ball with his arm and weist... this is just my observation, it might be blue tinted but I always try to give a fair opinion D'J.
posted on 3/6/23
Yet again this forum is full of people who can’t handle the fact that the referee had a different opinion to them, and the handball… for people to be saying that shouldn’t be given is just bizarre.
The rule is stupid but those sorts of incidents have been classed as handball all season. People really will complain about anything if it’s a club they hate.
The Casemiro incident was clearly him stepping to protect the ball and being fouled. The idea is was a red card against him is laughable.
Thought the ref had an excellent game. Only complaint was the decision against Cas when United were on top, apparently for jumping in the air.
City were deserved winners and the referee had no adverse impact on the game.
posted on 3/6/23
Reffing was awful, how Fred stayed on when he could easily have had 4 yellows is beyond me. Casemiro should have had a yellow for the foul on Akanji, you aren't fouled by putting your foot on another players ankle. No complaints about the Grealish pen, the fault is the rule, not the interpretation. However, the block on KDB was as clear a penalty as you will see.
That is why English refs don't get to big games internationally.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 49 seconds ago
Reffing was awful, how Fred stayed on when he could easily have had 4 yellows is beyond me. Casemiro should have had a yellow for the foul on Akanji, you aren't fouled by putting your foot on another players ankle. No complaints about the Grealish pen, the fault is the rule, not the interpretation. However, the block on KDB was as clear a penalty as you will see.
That is why English refs don't get to big games internationally.
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Case in point.
Most fans just can’t seem to understand that just because a referee doesn’t give the decision that you think is the right one, it doesn’t make them wrong.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 1 minute ago
Reffing was awful, how Fred stayed on when he could easily have had 4 yellows is beyond me. Casemiro should have had a yellow for the foul on Akanji, you aren't fouled by putting your foot on another players ankle. No complaints about the Grealish pen, the fault is the rule, not the interpretation. However, the block on KDB was as clear a penalty as you will see.
That is why English refs don't get to big games internationally.
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Hey, an English ref got the only European final an English ref could have this season - and there was no controversy there...
posted on 3/6/23
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
posted on 3/6/23
Yellow card*
posted on 3/6/23
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
posted on 3/6/23
Winston is definitely Mike Riley. The refs are perfect and nobody can question them.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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No, you're right with that particular decision. Also I'd hope yellow cards would only be issued when you're sure but I suppose if you're giving that as a foul, you have to give the yellow.
Also I get your view on referees, players make it difficult for them but I know he's not the best referee to ref an FA Cup final.
We had Anthony Taylor at the Europa League final, some poor decisions resulting in controversy and of course scences which mistakes don't deserve but you can understand the anger.
We simply don't have top quality referees in the PL, even accounting for people not understanding the rules, subjectivity etc.
For me Michael Oliver has been the best referee for several years and he's had a poor season. Perhaps it's not the individual butnthe guidance they're given. They clearly need help.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 45 seconds ago
Winston is definitely Mike Riley. The refs are perfect and nobody can question them.
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He just realised it’s a great angle for him to draw people into endless ‘debates’.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Winston is definitely Mike Riley. The refs are perfect and nobody can question them.
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Ah yes, make up something I haven’t said because you’re incapable of debating anything like an adult.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 45 seconds ago
Winston is definitely Mike Riley. The refs are perfect and nobody can question them.
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He just realised it’s a great angle for him to draw people into endless ‘debates’.
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And another…. Straight for the personal comments, searching the forum for an argument.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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No, you're right with that particular decision. Also I'd hope yellow cards would only be issued when you're sure but I suppose if you're giving that as a foul, you have to give the yellow.
Also I get your view on referees, players make it difficult for them but I know he's not the best referee to ref an FA Cup final.
We had Anthony Taylor at the Europa League final, some poor decisions resulting in controversy and of course scences which mistakes don't deserve but you can understand the anger.
We simply don't have top quality referees in the PL, even accounting for people not understanding the rules, subjectivity etc.
For me Michael Oliver has been the best referee for several years and he's had a poor season. Perhaps it's not the individual butnthe guidance they're given. They clearly need help.
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The referee made no mistakes today.
There are a handful of decisions people disagree with.
And yet people on here are absolutely slating him.
The refs are the problem here. The fans are.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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Thought there was contact on the Grealish one? Only seen it once though. Obviously he seemed to make the most of it.
The Casemiro on Bernardo one, think it looked like he’d gone through his back at the time which is why he might have given it. Wouldn’t say either were major talking points though, the Grealish handball and the Casemiro challenge on Akanji certainly bigger incidents.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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Thought there was contact on the Grealish one? Only seen it once though. Obviously he seemed to make the most of it.
The Casemiro on Bernardo one, think it looked like he’d gone through his back at the time which is why he might have given it. Wouldn’t say either were major talking points though, the Grealish handball and the Casemiro challenge on Akanji certainly bigger incidents.
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Grealish was barely touched and leapt in the air… it was clear cheating I’m afraid.
Agreed about the bigger incidents but both of them were perfectly justifiable.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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No, you're right with that particular decision. Also I'd hope yellow cards would only be issued when you're sure but I suppose if you're giving that as a foul, you have to give the yellow.
Also I get your view on referees, players make it difficult for them but I know he's not the best referee to ref an FA Cup final.
We had Anthony Taylor at the Europa League final, some poor decisions resulting in controversy and of course scences which mistakes don't deserve but you can understand the anger.
We simply don't have top quality referees in the PL, even accounting for people not understanding the rules, subjectivity etc.
For me Michael Oliver has been the best referee for several years and he's had a poor season. Perhaps it's not the individual butnthe guidance they're given. They clearly need help.
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The referee made no mistakes today.
There are a handful of decisions people disagree with.
And yet people on here are absolutely slating him.
The refs are the problem here. The fans are.
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Referees can make mistakes. We can't say everything eas subjective and can go either way. They have training and guidance to help them determine which way, as well as the laws.
I understand the angle you're coming from and I believe most people don't agree with that angle but you've went too far that direction.
Yes many decisions are subjective and not a mistake if they call it one way but then you have decisions which are simply mistakes. I'm not sure how much Italian or Spanish or other football you watch but the referees are much better with less mistakes, not even accounting for the subjective ones.
Again, not every decision is subjective, in theory probably but definitely not.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
There was no plan. He's just not a very good referee and didn't make poor decisions for one side. He did it for both. I don't think it was a penalty but completely subjective. Also made poor decisions in City's favour. The Casemiro one was ridiculous, he chested the ball, was stronger than the defender, City freekick. The Grealish dive for Wan Bassaka red card etc.
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Blaming the referee because a player conned him by cheating is absurd.
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Thought there was contact on the Grealish one? Only seen it once though. Obviously he seemed to make the most of it.
The Casemiro on Bernardo one, think it looked like he’d gone through his back at the time which is why he might have given it. Wouldn’t say either were major talking points though, the Grealish handball and the Casemiro challenge on Akanji certainly bigger incidents.
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Grealish was barely touched and leapt in the air… it was clear cheating I’m afraid.
Agreed about the bigger incidents but both of them were perfectly justifiable.
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If he even was touched. I'm not so sure.
posted on 3/6/23
TOOR, I never said otherwise.
But today, aside from the obvious dive, he didn’t.
We’re discussing todays game, aren’t we?
posted on 3/6/23
The foul on KDB was clearly a penalty, no intention to get the ball, no intention to do anything other than block or trip KDB.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 30 seconds ago
The foul on KDB was clearly a penalty, no intention to get the ball, no intention to do anything other than block or trip KDB.
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My initial thought was pen.
I think the referee thought Fred was placing his foot to protect the ball, perhaps.
You really need to try and see why the referee (and VAR) disagreed, rather than just take your own opinion as the only valid one.
posted on 3/6/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
TOOR, I never said otherwise.
But today, aside from the obvious dive, he didn’t.
We’re discussing todays game, aren’t we?
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To be fair I wasn't concentrating on the game too much, with it being the worst two teams in the final I could imagine but if we're talking big decisions, I think he got three wrong. The Grealish dive/AWB yellow, the penalty handball(which I accept is subjective) and the Casemiro chesting the ball and conceding a freekick(dangerous position). There were several others which I thought were wrong decisions(subjective) and I just don't think he's good enough, which added to his attitude when giving them, basically laughing at the players highlighting the 'mistake' just frustrates me.
He's just not a top tier referee.
Although I will say I agree referees have an impossible job and many decisions are subjective which fans fail to recognise, I think you go too far in defending that.
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