There is a production line in place. Elon has said it will start production this year. There are now a number of Cybertrucks off the production line being tested.
But yeah it isn't happening. sorry whodunnit but head in sand comes to mind.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 9 seconds ago
There is a production line in place. Elon has said it will start production this year. There are now a number of Cybertrucks off the production line being tested.
But yeah it isn't happening. sorry whodunnit but head in sand comes to mind.
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he said that last year, and the year before.
Where have I said it wont go into production? stop letting yourself down and creating arguments that dont exist. thats a few times you have tried to do that to divert attentions from the actual argument.
is it right that they have taken quarter a billion of deposits and failed to hit every production date for 4 yers now?
Is it right that they are still taking deposits from customers they know wont be getting the car delivered to their country?
Jesus. Whodunnit the last argument you had about Cybertruck you said it would never see the light of day. Now at least you accept it is coming.
As I said what you think of Tesla is irrelvant, it will not change the electric future, or the imminent arrival of the Cybertruck.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jesus. Whodunnit the last argument you had about Cybertruck you said it would never see the light of day. Now at least you accept it is coming.
As I said what you think of Tesla is irrelvant, it will not change the electric future, or the imminent arrival of the Cybertruck.
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I didnt say it wasnt coming out .... thats more stuff you making up
the last argument we had was over the deposits (at that time 140m and its now almost doubled.
then I asked you if you thought it was good service to take all these deposits and be so late with the product.....that was the same scenarion last year and further proves my point.
then you filtered me cos you couldnt handle your fave company being criticised and couldnt argue your way round it anymore so filtered me.
your doing the same thing again ......
the fact that you cannot say Tesla are wrong for taking deposits from people they cannot and will not sell a cyber truck to is very telling. And shows everyone that they should take your articles on them with a huge pinch of salt.
sitting on quarter of a billion of customers money for up to 5 years, taking deposits from those who cant get the car, and you still cant say they are wrong for that aspect. you lose all credibility in the debate after this.
I will refer people to look back at previous discussions. it is plain to see you dismissed the cybertruck. But whatever you have moved on. You accept it is coming but still arguing timeline. Fine lets just agree to wait for it to strat production and I will post when it does. I fully expect that to be this year.
As for the bee you have in your bonnet about pre orders. I couldn't give a toss. There are much bigger issues going on than people putting down refundable pre orders of $100.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 3 minutes ago
I will refer people to look back at previous discussions. it is plain to see you dismissed the cybertruck. But whatever you have moved on. You accept it is coming but still arguing timeline. Fine lets just agree to wait for it to strat production and I will post when it does. I fully expect that to be this year.
As for the bee you have in your bonnet about pre orders. I couldn't give a toss. There are much bigger issues going on than people putting down refundable pre orders of $100.
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and there you have it.
quarter of a billion it is in deposits. taking orders from countries for it they wont be selling to!? - your repsonse "I coulndt give a toss"
like I said its a biased thread with zero thought of being mpartial and being honest.
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thats the last 4 EV threads, which one did I say the Cyber truck isnt coming out?
Customers were told 2019/2020 ... its now gonna be 2024 at the earliest.
I can't believe I am bothering with this but one more try.
In terms of legality its not opinion its fact. the shape of the car is not legal (front, rear AND sides are illegal in shape) NONE of the light placements are legal, all the materials advertised are not legal. It fails safety standards as it only includes a single light bar in the front and back.
I am not going through all your posts.
Yes I am losing massive sleep over people putting down pre orders. Of all the things to argue about. Climate change the war in Ukraine, Jesus even diesel gate are far bigger issues. But you moan about people placing pre orders.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 11 minutes ago
I can't believe I am bothering with this but one more try.
In terms of legality its not opinion its fact. the shape of the car is not legal (front, rear AND sides are illegal in shape) NONE of the light placements are legal, all the materials advertised are not legal. It fails safety standards as it only includes a single light bar in the front and back.
I am not going through all your posts.
Yes I am losing massive sleep over people putting down pre orders. Of all the things to argue about. Climate change the war in Ukraine, Jesus even diesel gate are far bigger issues. But you moan about people placing pre orders.
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So I said that as per the original design it couldnt go out. You are aware that after I said that they changed the design to follow laws!!!!
I didnt ask if your losing sleep Im asking if its good customer service ? to sit on quarter of a billion in deposits and have delays of over 4 years? And if its good service to take deposits for a car from people in countries they wont be selling it to?
Just a simple question. What material have they changed?
Yes good customer service. Like VW and diesal gate. But not one word about something not only wrong but illegal.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 5 minutes ago
Just a simple question. What material have they changed?
Yes good customer service. Like VW and diesal gate. But not one word about something not only wrong but illegal.
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dont know ? dont know if they have changed materials? All I know is that with the "design to be driven in Europe, the Cybertruck would need to be redesigned in different materials. Or, perhaps Tesla founder and CEO Elon Musk is banking on the Cybertruck being sold in the U.S. only" When I made those comments this is what the EU commission said about the car being released in europe.
Your the one waffling about different companies. Yes VW were shocking with what they did with diesel gate. again changing the subject onto something not relevant.
Thats the point im making you cannot be impartial about Tesla, im not a hater Ill give credit where its due. I have given credit to them for many many things. I will also call them out for things they do wrong however, your incapable of doing so.
therefore your threads on them hold zero credibility cause you cannot call them out when they should be.
Go on say it .... Tesla shouldnt be taking money off people they wont be selling the car to.
So the materials are legal, the shape is legal. Even the light bar at the front looks the same. You are just talking nonsense. Tesla are not going to release an illegal car.
Yes VW were shocking with what they did with diesel gate. Yes it was. Yet your biggest issue is Tesla. which have actually done nothing illegal.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 4 minutes ago
So the materials are legal, the shape is legal. Even the light bar at the front looks the same. You are just talking nonsense. Tesla are not going to release an illegal car.
Yes VW were shocking with what they did with diesel gate. Yes it was. Yet your biggest issue is Tesla. which have actually done nothing illegal.
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for someone who knows so much about Tesla you really should know that changes were 100% made.
they did make changes to it since I made those comments. Elen Musk himself even came out and confirmed that they had to make changes and that the new design is locked in (all AFTER I made those comments)
"A significant part of the delay has been attributed to Tesla updating the design of the Cybertruck on several occasions and until now, it was known if the automaker had finally settled on the final design."
is this true of false?
Who said this is my biggest issue. Im commenting on threads specific to Tesla? therefore keeping it to Tesla.
If you create a thread about another company I will talk about them.
I cant take people and their opinions seriously if they are unable to be reasonable and balanced in their views.
Like I said your a fanboy who is incapable of being honest about Tesla, your biased.
Tesla have done loads of great things, loads of good for the market. They are not perfect, they are still fairly new to the scene and if they do things very poorly then they should get called out for it , just like when they have and will in the future do great things they will get praised for it.
and if you cannot be impartial in your threads you will get called out for it also.
Musk is a genius , doesnt make him perfect and like many people in his position is capable of doing some right shady things. things like taking deposits from people you know you wont be selling cars to.
Yes Tesla have made changes. The Cybertruck no longer has door handles, it has rear wheel steering, the front was shortened etc.
What didn't change was Shape, materials, Lightbar.
This thread was about the Model Y. You bought up Cybertruck, I'm just pointing out in the great scheme of things. The issue you have is not the big deal you make it out to be, and certainly not illegal.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes Tesla have made changes. The Cybertruck no longer has door handles, it has rear wheel steering, the front was shortened etc.
What didn't change was Shape, materials, Lightbar.
This thread was about the Model Y. You bought up Cybertruck, I'm just pointing out in the great scheme of things. The issue you have is not the big deal you make it out to be, and certainly not illegal.
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dont know ? but then again there isnt any Cybertrucks on the road in europe either, if that happens with no changes I will hold my hands up. that hasnt happened yet though.
I never said its illegal, i said its shady. to take money from people for a deposit of a car (Australia) that they wont be selling there is very very shady. 15,000 deposits from Ozzies and the tuck isnt getting released there.
If the truck has a single light bar at the front and back and no bumpers like when I made those comments it will not be released in the UK, fact. It fails our safety standards.
As I said the Cybertruck is aimed at the American market. and will be perfectly legal. end of story.
That is your opinion. In my opinion it is far more shady to do something illegal.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 second ago
As I said the Cybertruck is aimed at the American market. and will be perfectly legal. end of story.
That is your opinion. In my opinion it is far more shady to do something illegal.
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why have they taken hundreds of millions in deposits from those outwith US then? like I said very very shady
I guess to gauge demand. It might eventually make it's way to Europe, or at least a version of it.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 second ago
As I said the Cybertruck is aimed at the American market. and will be perfectly legal. end of story.
That is your opinion. In my opinion it is far more shady to do something illegal.
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why have they taken hundreds of millions in deposits from those outwith US then? like I said very very shady.
It is more shady to do something illegal (well not always) thats naivety. No one said its not.
You still cant say a bad things agains them, its laughable and just further proves my point that your articles on Tesla should be taken with a huge pinch of salt.
millions upon millions upon millions of EU customers deposits sitting in his accounts for a car that isnt EU legal, and been "delayed for almost 5 years"
very shady indeed
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I guess to gauge demand. It might eventually make it's way to Europe, or at least a version of it.
but in the meantime I will take deposits for a car that "might" come to europe if they make enough changes.
You are aware that none of this was made clear when it was advertised to people in the EU to make deposits on it.
Yeah not in the least bit shady !!!
Look if Tesla does something illegal like VW, then get back to me. If all you have is people placing pre orders, then no I don't have an issue.
"give us millions upon millions in deposits so we can guage the demand in EU and see if we will make a different version of the car im selling to you that will be legal to drive"
is certainly not how they sold it!!
Like I said not the issue you make it out to be. refundable deposits is not a big issue.
VW. tricking emission tests. Yes there is an issue.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look if Tesla does something illegal like VW, then get back to me. If all you have is people placing pre orders, then no I don't have an issue.
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its not about whether or not they are doing the right thing.
See your so wrapped up in it that you cant see anything !!
this is about you being unable to criticise something for something they should be clearly criticised for. Even if it was their only fault it should still be recgnised as something they have done wrong and should look to address in the future.
but your stance is "I dont care" other people do worse.
I guess lets take that into all walks of life. I dont care that guy raped one girl, cos that guys raped 20.
Until you can be impartial you will be called out on it.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 12 seconds ago
Like I said not the issue you make it out to be. refundable deposits is not a big issue.
VW. tricking emission tests. Yes there is an issue.
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both are issues is would the more reasonable line of thinking.
One is a big issue. the other barely registers. Hence no court cases.
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posted on 8/6/23
There is a production line in place. Elon has said it will start production this year. There are now a number of Cybertrucks off the production line being tested.
But yeah it isn't happening. sorry whodunnit but head in sand comes to mind.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 9 seconds ago
There is a production line in place. Elon has said it will start production this year. There are now a number of Cybertrucks off the production line being tested.
But yeah it isn't happening. sorry whodunnit but head in sand comes to mind.
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he said that last year, and the year before.
Where have I said it wont go into production? stop letting yourself down and creating arguments that dont exist. thats a few times you have tried to do that to divert attentions from the actual argument.
is it right that they have taken quarter a billion of deposits and failed to hit every production date for 4 yers now?
Is it right that they are still taking deposits from customers they know wont be getting the car delivered to their country?
posted on 8/6/23
Jesus. Whodunnit the last argument you had about Cybertruck you said it would never see the light of day. Now at least you accept it is coming.
As I said what you think of Tesla is irrelvant, it will not change the electric future, or the imminent arrival of the Cybertruck.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jesus. Whodunnit the last argument you had about Cybertruck you said it would never see the light of day. Now at least you accept it is coming.
As I said what you think of Tesla is irrelvant, it will not change the electric future, or the imminent arrival of the Cybertruck.
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I didnt say it wasnt coming out .... thats more stuff you making up
the last argument we had was over the deposits (at that time 140m and its now almost doubled.
then I asked you if you thought it was good service to take all these deposits and be so late with the product.....that was the same scenarion last year and further proves my point.
then you filtered me cos you couldnt handle your fave company being criticised and couldnt argue your way round it anymore so filtered me.
your doing the same thing again ......
the fact that you cannot say Tesla are wrong for taking deposits from people they cannot and will not sell a cyber truck to is very telling. And shows everyone that they should take your articles on them with a huge pinch of salt.
sitting on quarter of a billion of customers money for up to 5 years, taking deposits from those who cant get the car, and you still cant say they are wrong for that aspect. you lose all credibility in the debate after this.
posted on 8/6/23
I will refer people to look back at previous discussions. it is plain to see you dismissed the cybertruck. But whatever you have moved on. You accept it is coming but still arguing timeline. Fine lets just agree to wait for it to strat production and I will post when it does. I fully expect that to be this year.
As for the bee you have in your bonnet about pre orders. I couldn't give a toss. There are much bigger issues going on than people putting down refundable pre orders of $100.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 3 minutes ago
I will refer people to look back at previous discussions. it is plain to see you dismissed the cybertruck. But whatever you have moved on. You accept it is coming but still arguing timeline. Fine lets just agree to wait for it to strat production and I will post when it does. I fully expect that to be this year.
As for the bee you have in your bonnet about pre orders. I couldn't give a toss. There are much bigger issues going on than people putting down refundable pre orders of $100.
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and there you have it.
quarter of a billion it is in deposits. taking orders from countries for it they wont be selling to!? - your repsonse "I coulndt give a toss"
like I said its a biased thread with zero thought of being mpartial and being honest.
Tesla Semi launched - Video Games - PS4 - Article 450107 (ja606.co.uk)
Giant Leap for FSD - Video Games - PS4 - Article 447455 (ja606.co.uk)
Fully Charged Live - Video Games - PS4 - Article 444399 (ja606.co.uk)
Zak's EV discussion thread - Video Games - PS4 - Article 442614 (ja606.co.uk)
thats the last 4 EV threads, which one did I say the Cyber truck isnt coming out?
Customers were told 2019/2020 ... its now gonna be 2024 at the earliest.
posted on 8/6/23
I can't believe I am bothering with this but one more try.
In terms of legality its not opinion its fact. the shape of the car is not legal (front, rear AND sides are illegal in shape) NONE of the light placements are legal, all the materials advertised are not legal. It fails safety standards as it only includes a single light bar in the front and back.
I am not going through all your posts.
Yes I am losing massive sleep over people putting down pre orders. Of all the things to argue about. Climate change the war in Ukraine, Jesus even diesel gate are far bigger issues. But you moan about people placing pre orders.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 11 minutes ago
I can't believe I am bothering with this but one more try.
In terms of legality its not opinion its fact. the shape of the car is not legal (front, rear AND sides are illegal in shape) NONE of the light placements are legal, all the materials advertised are not legal. It fails safety standards as it only includes a single light bar in the front and back.
I am not going through all your posts.
Yes I am losing massive sleep over people putting down pre orders. Of all the things to argue about. Climate change the war in Ukraine, Jesus even diesel gate are far bigger issues. But you moan about people placing pre orders.
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So I said that as per the original design it couldnt go out. You are aware that after I said that they changed the design to follow laws!!!!
I didnt ask if your losing sleep Im asking if its good customer service ? to sit on quarter of a billion in deposits and have delays of over 4 years? And if its good service to take deposits for a car from people in countries they wont be selling it to?
posted on 8/6/23
Just a simple question. What material have they changed?
Yes good customer service. Like VW and diesal gate. But not one word about something not only wrong but illegal.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 5 minutes ago
Just a simple question. What material have they changed?
Yes good customer service. Like VW and diesal gate. But not one word about something not only wrong but illegal.
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dont know ? dont know if they have changed materials? All I know is that with the "design to be driven in Europe, the Cybertruck would need to be redesigned in different materials. Or, perhaps Tesla founder and CEO Elon Musk is banking on the Cybertruck being sold in the U.S. only" When I made those comments this is what the EU commission said about the car being released in europe.
Your the one waffling about different companies. Yes VW were shocking with what they did with diesel gate. again changing the subject onto something not relevant.
Thats the point im making you cannot be impartial about Tesla, im not a hater Ill give credit where its due. I have given credit to them for many many things. I will also call them out for things they do wrong however, your incapable of doing so.
therefore your threads on them hold zero credibility cause you cannot call them out when they should be.
Go on say it .... Tesla shouldnt be taking money off people they wont be selling the car to.
posted on 8/6/23
So the materials are legal, the shape is legal. Even the light bar at the front looks the same. You are just talking nonsense. Tesla are not going to release an illegal car.
Yes VW were shocking with what they did with diesel gate. Yes it was. Yet your biggest issue is Tesla. which have actually done nothing illegal.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 4 minutes ago
So the materials are legal, the shape is legal. Even the light bar at the front looks the same. You are just talking nonsense. Tesla are not going to release an illegal car.
Yes VW were shocking with what they did with diesel gate. Yes it was. Yet your biggest issue is Tesla. which have actually done nothing illegal.
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for someone who knows so much about Tesla you really should know that changes were 100% made.
they did make changes to it since I made those comments. Elen Musk himself even came out and confirmed that they had to make changes and that the new design is locked in (all AFTER I made those comments)
"A significant part of the delay has been attributed to Tesla updating the design of the Cybertruck on several occasions and until now, it was known if the automaker had finally settled on the final design."
is this true of false?
Who said this is my biggest issue. Im commenting on threads specific to Tesla? therefore keeping it to Tesla.
If you create a thread about another company I will talk about them.
I cant take people and their opinions seriously if they are unable to be reasonable and balanced in their views.
Like I said your a fanboy who is incapable of being honest about Tesla, your biased.
Tesla have done loads of great things, loads of good for the market. They are not perfect, they are still fairly new to the scene and if they do things very poorly then they should get called out for it , just like when they have and will in the future do great things they will get praised for it.
and if you cannot be impartial in your threads you will get called out for it also.
Musk is a genius , doesnt make him perfect and like many people in his position is capable of doing some right shady things. things like taking deposits from people you know you wont be selling cars to.
posted on 8/6/23
Yes Tesla have made changes. The Cybertruck no longer has door handles, it has rear wheel steering, the front was shortened etc.
What didn't change was Shape, materials, Lightbar.
This thread was about the Model Y. You bought up Cybertruck, I'm just pointing out in the great scheme of things. The issue you have is not the big deal you make it out to be, and certainly not illegal.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes Tesla have made changes. The Cybertruck no longer has door handles, it has rear wheel steering, the front was shortened etc.
What didn't change was Shape, materials, Lightbar.
This thread was about the Model Y. You bought up Cybertruck, I'm just pointing out in the great scheme of things. The issue you have is not the big deal you make it out to be, and certainly not illegal.
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dont know ? but then again there isnt any Cybertrucks on the road in europe either, if that happens with no changes I will hold my hands up. that hasnt happened yet though.
I never said its illegal, i said its shady. to take money from people for a deposit of a car (Australia) that they wont be selling there is very very shady. 15,000 deposits from Ozzies and the tuck isnt getting released there.
If the truck has a single light bar at the front and back and no bumpers like when I made those comments it will not be released in the UK, fact. It fails our safety standards.
posted on 8/6/23
As I said the Cybertruck is aimed at the American market. and will be perfectly legal. end of story.
That is your opinion. In my opinion it is far more shady to do something illegal.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 second ago
As I said the Cybertruck is aimed at the American market. and will be perfectly legal. end of story.
That is your opinion. In my opinion it is far more shady to do something illegal.
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why have they taken hundreds of millions in deposits from those outwith US then? like I said very very shady
posted on 8/6/23
I guess to gauge demand. It might eventually make it's way to Europe, or at least a version of it.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 second ago
As I said the Cybertruck is aimed at the American market. and will be perfectly legal. end of story.
That is your opinion. In my opinion it is far more shady to do something illegal.
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why have they taken hundreds of millions in deposits from those outwith US then? like I said very very shady.
It is more shady to do something illegal (well not always) thats naivety. No one said its not.
You still cant say a bad things agains them, its laughable and just further proves my point that your articles on Tesla should be taken with a huge pinch of salt.
millions upon millions upon millions of EU customers deposits sitting in his accounts for a car that isnt EU legal, and been "delayed for almost 5 years"
very shady indeed
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posted on 8/6/23
I guess to gauge demand. It might eventually make it's way to Europe, or at least a version of it.
but in the meantime I will take deposits for a car that "might" come to europe if they make enough changes.
You are aware that none of this was made clear when it was advertised to people in the EU to make deposits on it.
Yeah not in the least bit shady !!!
posted on 8/6/23
Look if Tesla does something illegal like VW, then get back to me. If all you have is people placing pre orders, then no I don't have an issue.
posted on 8/6/23
"give us millions upon millions in deposits so we can guage the demand in EU and see if we will make a different version of the car im selling to you that will be legal to drive"
is certainly not how they sold it!!
posted on 8/6/23
Like I said not the issue you make it out to be. refundable deposits is not a big issue.
VW. tricking emission tests. Yes there is an issue.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look if Tesla does something illegal like VW, then get back to me. If all you have is people placing pre orders, then no I don't have an issue.
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its not about whether or not they are doing the right thing.
See your so wrapped up in it that you cant see anything !!
this is about you being unable to criticise something for something they should be clearly criticised for. Even if it was their only fault it should still be recgnised as something they have done wrong and should look to address in the future.
but your stance is "I dont care" other people do worse.
I guess lets take that into all walks of life. I dont care that guy raped one girl, cos that guys raped 20.
Until you can be impartial you will be called out on it.
posted on 8/6/23
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 12 seconds ago
Like I said not the issue you make it out to be. refundable deposits is not a big issue.
VW. tricking emission tests. Yes there is an issue.
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both are issues is would the more reasonable line of thinking.
posted on 8/6/23
One is a big issue. the other barely registers. Hence no court cases.
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