comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still should have won the first test with the declaration.
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It's interesting though because the two situations were identical.....in form batsman at the crease, in total control, batting with the tail, yet the two decisions were completely opposite. I understand his knee jerk motives for the declaration but I think he lost sight of the bigger picture about winning the toss,batting first and getting as many runs as possible.
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They weren't identical though. We batted first at Edgbaston and were concerned the pitch and the weather wouldn't give enough time in the game to get through four innings (which it would have to due to England batting first). The declaration also allowed us to have a go at them with the ball for a short period at the end of the day. There would have been more overs bowled in the test had they not declared and it risked a draw, which we know England don't like.
This time we had the chance to only bat once or have a small chase at worst. Meaning that we could finish the game sooner in three innings and thus take less time out of the game in the long run. Feels counter intuitive at the time, but I guarantee there would have been more overs in the game had England declared sooner this time.
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There was plenty of time in the game at Edbaston. As I said, I understand the thinking at the time, butvis was knee jerk gut thinking that lost sight of the bigger picture. We could be going to the Oval 1 1 in the series
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still should have won the first test with the declaration.
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It's interesting though because the two situations were identical.....in form batsman at the crease, in total control, batting with the tail, yet the two decisions were completely opposite. I understand his knee jerk motives for the declaration but I think he lost sight of the bigger picture about winning the toss,batting first and getting as many runs as possible.
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They weren't identical though. We batted first at Edgbaston and were concerned the pitch and the weather wouldn't give enough time in the game to get through four innings (which it would have to due to England batting first). The declaration also allowed us to have a go at them with the ball for a short period at the end of the day. There would have been more overs bowled in the test had they not declared and it risked a draw, which we know England don't like.
This time we had the chance to only bat once or have a small chase at worst. Meaning that we could finish the game sooner in three innings and thus take less time out of the game in the long run. Feels counter intuitive at the time, but I guarantee there would have been more overs in the game had England declared sooner this time.
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There was plenty of time in the game at Edbaston. As I said, I understand the thinking at the time, butvis was knee jerk gut thinking that lost sight of the bigger picture. We could be going to the Oval 1 1 in the series
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Hindsight is always 20/20.
Oval test Still massive, keep the long run of those cants not winning over here going.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still should have won the first test with the declaration.
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It's interesting though because the two situations were identical.....in form batsman at the crease, in total control, batting with the tail, yet the two decisions were completely opposite. I understand his knee jerk motives for the declaration but I think he lost sight of the bigger picture about winning the toss,batting first and getting as many runs as possible.
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They weren't identical though. We batted first at Edgbaston and were concerned the pitch and the weather wouldn't give enough time in the game to get through four innings (which it would have to due to England batting first). The declaration also allowed us to have a go at them with the ball for a short period at the end of the day. There would have been more overs bowled in the test had they not declared and it risked a draw, which we know England don't like.
This time we had the chance to only bat once or have a small chase at worst. Meaning that we could finish the game sooner in three innings and thus take less time out of the game in the long run. Feels counter intuitive at the time, but I guarantee there would have been more overs in the game had England declared sooner this time.
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There was plenty of time in the game at Edbaston. As I said, I understand the thinking at the time, butvis was knee jerk gut thinking that lost sight of the bigger picture. We could be going to the Oval 1 1 in the series
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Hindsight is always 20/20.
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I questioned the declaration as soon as it was made. It contradicted winning the toss and deciding to bat first and Edbaston is historically best to bat on day 2. No thindsight, called it at the time just as I am defending the declaration in this match. There is simply no logic that declaring with a lead of 150 would have us in a winning position.
Over 1100 runs scored so far in 3 innings shows what a good batting track this is.
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Oval test Still massive, keep the long run of those cants not winning over here going.
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My mate is going to the second day...£190 a pop
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Oval test Still massive, keep the long run of those cants not winning over here going.
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My mate is going to the second day...£190 a pop
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Ticket prices have got silly recently. Hoping he gets a couple of beers included at that price at least!
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Oval test Still massive, keep the long run of those cants not winning over here going.
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My mate is going to the second day...£190 a pop
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Ticket prices have got silly recently. Hoping he gets a couple of beers included at that price at least!
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served by his own personal bunny girl at least
No rain at moment but very dark
I put $210 on England to win at 3.40 so not the worst thing if the rain stays away. Think we’ll collapse in 30 overs if played.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still should have won the first test with the declaration.
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It's interesting though because the two situations were identical.....in form batsman at the crease, in total control, batting with the tail, yet the two decisions were completely opposite. I understand his knee jerk motives for the declaration but I think he lost sight of the bigger picture about winning the toss,batting first and getting as many runs as possible.
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They weren't identical though. We batted first at Edgbaston and were concerned the pitch and the weather wouldn't give enough time in the game to get through four innings (which it would have to due to England batting first). The declaration also allowed us to have a go at them with the ball for a short period at the end of the day. There would have been more overs bowled in the test had they not declared and it risked a draw, which we know England don't like.
This time we had the chance to only bat once or have a small chase at worst. Meaning that we could finish the game sooner in three innings and thus take less time out of the game in the long run. Feels counter intuitive at the time, but I guarantee there would have been more overs in the game had England declared sooner this time.
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There was plenty of time in the game at Edbaston. As I said, I understand the thinking at the time, butvis was knee jerk gut thinking that lost sight of the bigger picture. We could be going to the Oval 1 1 in the series
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Hindsight is always 20/20.
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I questioned the declaration as soon as it was made. It contradicted winning the toss and deciding to bat first and Edbaston is historically best to bat on day 2. No thindsight, called it at the time just as I am defending the declaration in this match. There is simply no logic that declaring with a lead of 150 would have us in a winning position.
Over 1100 runs scored so far in 3 innings shows what a good batting track this is.
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Hindsight in talking about the big picture and how it could have been 1-1.
Even you are accepting it likely would have been drawn. This England team will always try to force the result and take the draw out of the equation if they can. They should have won that first test. If you are accepting it would have been a draw without the declaration, then they did the right thing to declare to give themselves the chance to win.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still should have won the first test with the declaration.
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It's interesting though because the two situations were identical.....in form batsman at the crease, in total control, batting with the tail, yet the two decisions were completely opposite. I understand his knee jerk motives for the declaration but I think he lost sight of the bigger picture about winning the toss,batting first and getting as many runs as possible.
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They weren't identical though. We batted first at Edgbaston and were concerned the pitch and the weather wouldn't give enough time in the game to get through four innings (which it would have to due to England batting first). The declaration also allowed us to have a go at them with the ball for a short period at the end of the day. There would have been more overs bowled in the test had they not declared and it risked a draw, which we know England don't like.
This time we had the chance to only bat once or have a small chase at worst. Meaning that we could finish the game sooner in three innings and thus take less time out of the game in the long run. Feels counter intuitive at the time, but I guarantee there would have been more overs in the game had England declared sooner this time.
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There was plenty of time in the game at Edbaston. As I said, I understand the thinking at the time, butvis was knee jerk gut thinking that lost sight of the bigger picture. We could be going to the Oval 1 1 in the series
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Hindsight is always 20/20.
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I questioned the declaration as soon as it was made. It contradicted winning the toss and deciding to bat first and Edbaston is historically best to bat on day 2. No thindsight, called it at the time just as I am defending the declaration in this match. There is simply no logic that declaring with a lead of 150 would have us in a winning position.
Over 1100 runs scored so far in 3 innings shows what a good batting track this is.
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Hindsight in talking about the big picture and how it could have been 1-1.
Even you are accepting it likely would have been drawn. This England team will always try to force the result and take the draw out of the equation if they can. They should have won that first test. If you are accepting it would have been a draw without the declaration, then they did the right thing to declare to give themselves the chance to win.
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I am saying they would have drawn or won. England don't have unilateral control of the outcome. There is a thing called opposition and outside elements. A declaration decision is however the one thing they have unilateral control of and at Edgbaston they got it wrong, at OT they got it right.
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted less than a minute ago
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
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We will have to bowl spin all day
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted about a minute ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted less than a minute ago
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
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We will have to bowl spin all day
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Then needing to chase 10 the Aussies will open with Starc and the umpires will call it a day...
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
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Get them out in the middle now then!
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
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Get them out in the middle now then!
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Good point, why can extra time only be found at the end of the day. Why not start an hour earlier
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am saying they would have drawn or won. England don't have unilateral control of the outcome. There is a thing called opposition and outside elements. A declaration decision is however the one thing they have unilateral control of and at Edgbaston they got it wrong, at OT they got it right.
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I don't think they would have won without that declaration. I think they got Smith and Labuschagne out the next day because of the morning conditions. They would have been batting in the best conditions on day 2 had we batted on and Australia would likey have batted longer. England should have won with it, there were loads of other factors that meant they didn't that they did have control of (missed stumping, dropped catches etc). It is those factors which I balme for the lose. The declaration put us in the position to win.
I think they got the decisions on the declarations right in both instances.
Let's hope the ball swings more in whatever play we actually get today
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 49 seconds ago
Let's hope the ball swings more in whatever play we actually get today
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I'd be tempted to go spin both ends and attempt to race through 9 overs and get the new ball.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
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Get them out in the middle now then!
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Good point, why can extra time only be found at the end of the day. Why not start an hour earlier
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That's my biggest bug bear with Cricket. I remember going to Edgbaston years ago. The sun shone till 11.10 then rain came for most of the day. we could have seen an hours more play if they had started at 10.00.
Never understood why we start so late anyway. It's the same with club cricket. We always wait until midday to start. Most other countries club cricket matches start in the morning.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Never understood why we start so late anyway. It's the same with club cricket. We always wait until midday to start. Most other countries club cricket matches start in the morning.
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Is it to do with the dew and unfair conditions for batting? That's all well and good but when it's 70 degrees and sunny, they should be out there playing. Test Cricket needs to lend itself to the paying customer. Stokes and England with their brand of play are at least helping the cause.
I think I heard that this is our oldest Ashes bowling attack since 1928.
Who is coming through to replace our old timers? Archer looks done for red ball cricket, what is the situation with Stone?
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posted on 23/7/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still should have won the first test with the declaration.
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It's interesting though because the two situations were identical.....in form batsman at the crease, in total control, batting with the tail, yet the two decisions were completely opposite. I understand his knee jerk motives for the declaration but I think he lost sight of the bigger picture about winning the toss,batting first and getting as many runs as possible.
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They weren't identical though. We batted first at Edgbaston and were concerned the pitch and the weather wouldn't give enough time in the game to get through four innings (which it would have to due to England batting first). The declaration also allowed us to have a go at them with the ball for a short period at the end of the day. There would have been more overs bowled in the test had they not declared and it risked a draw, which we know England don't like.
This time we had the chance to only bat once or have a small chase at worst. Meaning that we could finish the game sooner in three innings and thus take less time out of the game in the long run. Feels counter intuitive at the time, but I guarantee there would have been more overs in the game had England declared sooner this time.
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There was plenty of time in the game at Edbaston. As I said, I understand the thinking at the time, butvis was knee jerk gut thinking that lost sight of the bigger picture. We could be going to the Oval 1 1 in the series
posted on 23/7/23
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still should have won the first test with the declaration.
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It's interesting though because the two situations were identical.....in form batsman at the crease, in total control, batting with the tail, yet the two decisions were completely opposite. I understand his knee jerk motives for the declaration but I think he lost sight of the bigger picture about winning the toss,batting first and getting as many runs as possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They weren't identical though. We batted first at Edgbaston and were concerned the pitch and the weather wouldn't give enough time in the game to get through four innings (which it would have to due to England batting first). The declaration also allowed us to have a go at them with the ball for a short period at the end of the day. There would have been more overs bowled in the test had they not declared and it risked a draw, which we know England don't like.
This time we had the chance to only bat once or have a small chase at worst. Meaning that we could finish the game sooner in three innings and thus take less time out of the game in the long run. Feels counter intuitive at the time, but I guarantee there would have been more overs in the game had England declared sooner this time.
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There was plenty of time in the game at Edbaston. As I said, I understand the thinking at the time, butvis was knee jerk gut thinking that lost sight of the bigger picture. We could be going to the Oval 1 1 in the series
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Hindsight is always 20/20.
posted on 23/7/23
Oval test Still massive, keep the long run of those cants not winning over here going.
posted on 23/7/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still should have won the first test with the declaration.
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It's interesting though because the two situations were identical.....in form batsman at the crease, in total control, batting with the tail, yet the two decisions were completely opposite. I understand his knee jerk motives for the declaration but I think he lost sight of the bigger picture about winning the toss,batting first and getting as many runs as possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They weren't identical though. We batted first at Edgbaston and were concerned the pitch and the weather wouldn't give enough time in the game to get through four innings (which it would have to due to England batting first). The declaration also allowed us to have a go at them with the ball for a short period at the end of the day. There would have been more overs bowled in the test had they not declared and it risked a draw, which we know England don't like.
This time we had the chance to only bat once or have a small chase at worst. Meaning that we could finish the game sooner in three innings and thus take less time out of the game in the long run. Feels counter intuitive at the time, but I guarantee there would have been more overs in the game had England declared sooner this time.
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There was plenty of time in the game at Edbaston. As I said, I understand the thinking at the time, butvis was knee jerk gut thinking that lost sight of the bigger picture. We could be going to the Oval 1 1 in the series
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Hindsight is always 20/20.
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I questioned the declaration as soon as it was made. It contradicted winning the toss and deciding to bat first and Edbaston is historically best to bat on day 2. No thindsight, called it at the time just as I am defending the declaration in this match. There is simply no logic that declaring with a lead of 150 would have us in a winning position.
Over 1100 runs scored so far in 3 innings shows what a good batting track this is.
posted on 23/7/23
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Oval test Still massive, keep the long run of those cants not winning over here going.
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My mate is going to the second day...£190 a pop
posted on 23/7/23
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Oval test Still massive, keep the long run of those cants not winning over here going.
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My mate is going to the second day...£190 a pop
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Ticket prices have got silly recently. Hoping he gets a couple of beers included at that price at least!
posted on 23/7/23
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Oval test Still massive, keep the long run of those cants not winning over here going.
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My mate is going to the second day...£190 a pop
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Ticket prices have got silly recently. Hoping he gets a couple of beers included at that price at least!
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served by his own personal bunny girl at least
posted on 23/7/23
No rain at moment but very dark
posted on 23/7/23
I put $210 on England to win at 3.40 so not the worst thing if the rain stays away. Think we’ll collapse in 30 overs if played.
posted on 23/7/23
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still should have won the first test with the declaration.
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It's interesting though because the two situations were identical.....in form batsman at the crease, in total control, batting with the tail, yet the two decisions were completely opposite. I understand his knee jerk motives for the declaration but I think he lost sight of the bigger picture about winning the toss,batting first and getting as many runs as possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They weren't identical though. We batted first at Edgbaston and were concerned the pitch and the weather wouldn't give enough time in the game to get through four innings (which it would have to due to England batting first). The declaration also allowed us to have a go at them with the ball for a short period at the end of the day. There would have been more overs bowled in the test had they not declared and it risked a draw, which we know England don't like.
This time we had the chance to only bat once or have a small chase at worst. Meaning that we could finish the game sooner in three innings and thus take less time out of the game in the long run. Feels counter intuitive at the time, but I guarantee there would have been more overs in the game had England declared sooner this time.
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There was plenty of time in the game at Edbaston. As I said, I understand the thinking at the time, butvis was knee jerk gut thinking that lost sight of the bigger picture. We could be going to the Oval 1 1 in the series
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hindsight is always 20/20.
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I questioned the declaration as soon as it was made. It contradicted winning the toss and deciding to bat first and Edbaston is historically best to bat on day 2. No thindsight, called it at the time just as I am defending the declaration in this match. There is simply no logic that declaring with a lead of 150 would have us in a winning position.
Over 1100 runs scored so far in 3 innings shows what a good batting track this is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hindsight in talking about the big picture and how it could have been 1-1.
Even you are accepting it likely would have been drawn. This England team will always try to force the result and take the draw out of the equation if they can. They should have won that first test. If you are accepting it would have been a draw without the declaration, then they did the right thing to declare to give themselves the chance to win.
posted on 23/7/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still should have won the first test with the declaration.
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It's interesting though because the two situations were identical.....in form batsman at the crease, in total control, batting with the tail, yet the two decisions were completely opposite. I understand his knee jerk motives for the declaration but I think he lost sight of the bigger picture about winning the toss,batting first and getting as many runs as possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They weren't identical though. We batted first at Edgbaston and were concerned the pitch and the weather wouldn't give enough time in the game to get through four innings (which it would have to due to England batting first). The declaration also allowed us to have a go at them with the ball for a short period at the end of the day. There would have been more overs bowled in the test had they not declared and it risked a draw, which we know England don't like.
This time we had the chance to only bat once or have a small chase at worst. Meaning that we could finish the game sooner in three innings and thus take less time out of the game in the long run. Feels counter intuitive at the time, but I guarantee there would have been more overs in the game had England declared sooner this time.
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There was plenty of time in the game at Edbaston. As I said, I understand the thinking at the time, butvis was knee jerk gut thinking that lost sight of the bigger picture. We could be going to the Oval 1 1 in the series
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hindsight is always 20/20.
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I questioned the declaration as soon as it was made. It contradicted winning the toss and deciding to bat first and Edbaston is historically best to bat on day 2. No thindsight, called it at the time just as I am defending the declaration in this match. There is simply no logic that declaring with a lead of 150 would have us in a winning position.
Over 1100 runs scored so far in 3 innings shows what a good batting track this is.
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Hindsight in talking about the big picture and how it could have been 1-1.
Even you are accepting it likely would have been drawn. This England team will always try to force the result and take the draw out of the equation if they can. They should have won that first test. If you are accepting it would have been a draw without the declaration, then they did the right thing to declare to give themselves the chance to win.
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I am saying they would have drawn or won. England don't have unilateral control of the outcome. There is a thing called opposition and outside elements. A declaration decision is however the one thing they have unilateral control of and at Edgbaston they got it wrong, at OT they got it right.
posted on 23/7/23
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
posted on 23/7/23
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted less than a minute ago
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
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We will have to bowl spin all day
posted on 23/7/23
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted about a minute ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted less than a minute ago
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
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We will have to bowl spin all day
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Then needing to chase 10 the Aussies will open with Starc and the umpires will call it a day...
posted on 23/7/23
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
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Get them out in the middle now then!
posted on 23/7/23
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
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Get them out in the middle now then!
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Good point, why can extra time only be found at the end of the day. Why not start an hour earlier
posted on 23/7/23
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am saying they would have drawn or won. England don't have unilateral control of the outcome. There is a thing called opposition and outside elements. A declaration decision is however the one thing they have unilateral control of and at Edgbaston they got it wrong, at OT they got it right.
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I don't think they would have won without that declaration. I think they got Smith and Labuschagne out the next day because of the morning conditions. They would have been batting in the best conditions on day 2 had we batted on and Australia would likey have batted longer. England should have won with it, there were loads of other factors that meant they didn't that they did have control of (missed stumping, dropped catches etc). It is those factors which I balme for the lose. The declaration put us in the position to win.
I think they got the decisions on the declarations right in both instances.
posted on 23/7/23
Let's hope the ball swings more in whatever play we actually get today
posted on 23/7/23
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 49 seconds ago
Let's hope the ball swings more in whatever play we actually get today
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I'd be tempted to go spin both ends and attempt to race through 9 overs and get the new ball.
posted on 23/7/23
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
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comment by King of the Gil (U7905)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, the weather predictions are already wrong given it's currently not raining up there. Hopefully that continues.
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Get them out in the middle now then!
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Good point, why can extra time only be found at the end of the day. Why not start an hour earlier
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That's my biggest bug bear with Cricket. I remember going to Edgbaston years ago. The sun shone till 11.10 then rain came for most of the day. we could have seen an hours more play if they had started at 10.00.
posted on 23/7/23
Never understood why we start so late anyway. It's the same with club cricket. We always wait until midday to start. Most other countries club cricket matches start in the morning.
posted on 23/7/23
Is it raining now FFS?
posted on 23/7/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
Never understood why we start so late anyway. It's the same with club cricket. We always wait until midday to start. Most other countries club cricket matches start in the morning.
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Is it to do with the dew and unfair conditions for batting? That's all well and good but when it's 70 degrees and sunny, they should be out there playing. Test Cricket needs to lend itself to the paying customer. Stokes and England with their brand of play are at least helping the cause.
posted on 23/7/23
I think I heard that this is our oldest Ashes bowling attack since 1928.
Who is coming through to replace our old timers? Archer looks done for red ball cricket, what is the situation with Stone?
posted on 23/7/23
Tongue?
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