The current management has an inability to multitask. They've said it before, they only work on one deal at a time. Whereas other clubs will have multiple negotiations going on simultaneously. The Mount deal had a timeline on it due to Cheslea's need to balance the books by Friday. So although we might have a higher priority of keeper and striker, the inept transfer team had to get this one done first.
The keeper will be Onana or De Gea. Hopefully, they can pull a top-tier striker out of the bag next.
ETH is signing a player he liked when he saw him play on loan at Vitesse. 5 year deal, 25 years of age with an engine to replace Eriksen, which means we now have a very good rotation option. 55 Million with a year to go... I guess Chelsea signed Sterling for 50mill, could be worse! Between rival clubs the cost would always be higher. Time for Onana and a forward now.
Chronology of signings doesn't correspond to priority. There are some deals where the other club needs to wait before selling, e.g. because they need to progress with a deal for the outgoing player's replacement.
He’s not a player that I’d ever wished that we signed but I’m willing to trust the manager here.
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Chronology of signings doesn't correspond to priority. There are some deals where the other club needs to wait before selling, e.g. because they need to progress with a deal for the outgoing player's replacement.
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RR do you know what the situation is with selling players and whether it boosts our transfer kitty? Is the money we generate in this window available immediately or does it go towards next seasons/years numbers.
Arsenal have signed Havertz when Rice is the bigger deal.
Is the international window (English can buy from abroad) open yet ?
“Do we know if Mason Mount was our main transfer target for this summer?”
Yes, we do. And no he very obviously wasn’t.
There’s an equally very obvious reason why United went after him early in the window, and that the deal has been completed before midnight tomorrow.
You seem to have got yourself into a right little tizzy about a hypothetical you’ve created.
Relax dude
Who says we have / are only negotiating 1 deal at a time?
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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Chronology of signings doesn't correspond to priority. There are some deals where the other club needs to wait before selling, e.g. because they need to progress with a deal for the outgoing player's replacement.
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RR do you know what the situation is with selling players and whether it boosts our transfer kitty? Is the money we generate in this window available immediately or does it go towards next seasons/years numbers.
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Your financial year runs to end of June.
Your issue isn’t the p&l though so it doesn’t really matter, if you sell players then you’ll have more funds available immediately.
City’s first signing was Kovacic, doubt he was their priority. You buy who you can in whatever order is doable. Malacia was our first signing last season too.
We want Kane, there is literally no way we could ever get him early on this summer.
Don’t funds from sales depend on the player we sell? If it’s homegrown like Henderson who we didn’t buy then most can be used on transfers but if it’s someone like Maguire or Martial it would depend on their contract and the fee we paid?
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Don’t funds from sales depend on the player we sell? If it’s homegrown like Henderson who we didn’t buy then most can be used on transfers but if it’s someone like Maguire or Martial it would depend on their contract and the fee we paid?
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I think you might be confusing whatever cash we have in the bank with how the FFP accounting works a little.
Whoever we sell, if the cash comes in, we can spend it however we want. There are no rules (which would apply to us currently, at least) that would say we could or should spend £30m from the sale of McT any differently to £30m from the sale of Maguire, say. Either way, the cash is United’s to do whatever they want with.
The difference would be in the accounting adjustments to the amortisation of Maguire’s transfer fee (as well as how the respective adjustments to the wage bill would impact expenditure). Ultimately meaning that for accounting purposes, despite being on much lower wages than Maguire, shifting McT for £30m would be more useful.
This might explain things more clearly and eloquently than I can:
https://priceoffootball.com/football-transfers-and-creative-accounting-protect-me-from-what-i-want/
As to Mount, United have gone in early for him this summer because they know that Chelsea would want a deal done by the end of this month so that they can register the income against their 2022/23 accounts. I expect it was Chelsea who reinitiated discussions this week in an effort to get the deal done and registered quickly.
After 30 June, Chelsea would have less of an incentive to rush any deal through, and more of an incentive to hold out for whatever fee they thought they might be able to milk for the player. i.e. United could have expected to pay a higher fee to get the deal done in July or August than they have just agreed to pay.
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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Chronology of signings doesn't correspond to priority. There are some deals where the other club needs to wait before selling, e.g. because they need to progress with a deal for the outgoing player's replacement.
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RR do you know what the situation is with selling players and whether it boosts our transfer kitty? Is the money we generate in this window available immediately or does it go towards next seasons/years numbers.
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Elvis, you've confused me with someone who knows a bit about this stuff
Jeez, what are you doing spending £60m on Mount, horrendous business for a massively over rated player
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Jeez, what are you doing spending £60m on Mount, horrendous business for a massively over rated player
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Arsenal have spent more than double that on an even more overated player. Mount might work well for us.
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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Chronology of signings doesn't correspond to priority. There are some deals where the other club needs to wait before selling, e.g. because they need to progress with a deal for the outgoing player's replacement.
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RR do you know what the situation is with selling players and whether it boosts our transfer kitty? Is the money we generate in this window available immediately or does it go towards next seasons/years numbers.
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Elvis, you've confused me with someone who knows a bit about this stuff
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The answer to that question will be more about strategy than meeting FFP requirements.
On FFP, there’s probably next to nobody outside the club who has any really decent idea of how close to the bone we are; and on strategy, there’ll be nobody I imagine (maybe even within the club ).
I'm not a fan of this signing, at that price?
I've watched him a fair few times and have yet to be anything other than "ok" with him? I would be pant wetting happy if he steps up and proves me wrong but I honestly cannot see that happening, that price for that level of player with our supposed budget is fcked imo Christ I hope I'm way off the mark
I think Mount is a good player who probably suffers in most people’s eyes due to wanting to see the likes of Grealish and Foden start for England instead of him.
He’s not as flashy or as exciting as those players but he’s very functional, hard working, good on the ball and a good passer & set-piece player. My hope is that his ability to press and his comfort in possession will help keep us higher up the pitch and add intensity to our game. He’s also fairly efficient in his passing & finishing.
Pochettino definitely won’t have wanted to lose Mount and it seems he’s been signed with a plan in mind. We also need to be mindful of the homegrown issue, so Mount makes sense on that front, too.
Mason Mount is, by far and away, the best footballer of his type and age in this league. So questioning his arrival, and cost, is pretty ridiculous. MUFC should always seek the best. This time they've got it right.
Whether he makes a major difference next season is yet to be seen, because clearly the midfield area is not the club's weakest area - although the likes of Casemiro, Eriksen and even Fernandes do have age issues which were very visible in some very important games.
As for challenging city, no single player no matter how good is going to make that kind if difference - no matter how special they are likely to become. But it should/could/would be a start if the club dropped the detritus for good, and bought in some players of equal calibre (or better) to work with him (and each other) in other areas - like the centre/forward, gk and winger positions.
United need to find more shape, work better together as a team, and display greater dynamism. He will certainly contribute a lot to those objectives
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
“Do we know if Mason Mount was our main transfer target for this summer?”
Yes, we do. And no he very obviously wasn’t.
There’s an equally very obvious reason why United went after him early in the window, and that the deal has been completed before midnight tomorrow.
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Rosso has me filtered and understandably so but this isn’t necessarily a reply to him but to his post above.
As fans without direct involvement in the club obviously we actually don’t know if Mount was our main transfer target for this summer. He may not have been but I think it’s daft to say so forthrightly that he wasn’t. There’s no way that any of us know this, at all. It’s just conjecture and guessing.
One could argue that given that he’s the first player that we have openly negotiated for and seemingly agreed terms for that he could have been our main priority.
I think most of us would agree, and let’s assume that the club agree, that a CF was / is the highest priority for us but if that was a huge difficulty then perhaps this signing was our main priority. I appreciate that this clearly implies that it was secondary to a CF but if it was clear that our CF preferred targets weren’t likely at all pre-window then the second priority does become the main.
I might be being dense here but I don’t actually get what Rosso’s point is with the second sentence. Going after him early and completing the deal promptly suggests that the club (and hopefully manager) were adamant that he was a player that we wanted.
I’m probably missing something very obvious given Rosso’s post and if so I’ll happily be educated by others (as Rosso won’t reply).
As to Mount, like many of us, when I’ve watched him I’ve never thought ‘fk me I want that’. However, every Chelsea fan I know in real life rates him highly and don’t want to lose him and most if not all Chelsea fans on here feel similarly. For me that says a lot. Whether he works out for us an returns to his form of a year, two years ago time will only tell. But £50m ish when we spent the same on Fred and as a clear option for Eriksen I think it’s likely to be a good buy. But we’ve seen plenty join us and fail to deliver. I just hope that given he was on a high then dropped, coming to us he’ll have a point to prove as opposed to players on a high and only way is same or down. I also trust in ETH, he’s not perfect but neither were Fergie’s signings.
As to Mount, United have gone in early for him this summer because they know that Chelsea would want a deal done by the end of this month so that they can register the income against their 2022/23 accounts. I expect it was Chelsea who reinitiated discussions this week in an effort to get the deal done and registered quickly.
After 30 June, Chelsea would have less of an incentive to rush any deal through, and more of an incentive to hold out for whatever fee they thought they might be able to milk for the player. i.e. United could have expected to pay a higher fee to get the deal done in July or August than they have just agreed to pay.
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United might also want the transfer registered against their 22/23 accounts. So could be United that initiated renegotiation and media reports seem to support that conclusion.
Also, United are basically paying what Chelsea wanted from the start. I don't think the fee would have been much different before or after the end of the month. When Liverpool were linked with Mount he was apparently going for 50-60m. Been the same story all summer.
"Do we know if Mason Mount was our main transfer target for this summer?"
Does it matter?
Mount is a champions league winner, which is a hell of a lot better than a lot of our squad can boast.
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Mount is a champions league winner, which is a hell of a lot better than a lot of our squad can boast.
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true, this is why United should get all champions league winners, and not Kane.
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posted on 29/6/23
The current management has an inability to multitask. They've said it before, they only work on one deal at a time. Whereas other clubs will have multiple negotiations going on simultaneously. The Mount deal had a timeline on it due to Cheslea's need to balance the books by Friday. So although we might have a higher priority of keeper and striker, the inept transfer team had to get this one done first.
The keeper will be Onana or De Gea. Hopefully, they can pull a top-tier striker out of the bag next.
posted on 29/6/23
ETH is signing a player he liked when he saw him play on loan at Vitesse. 5 year deal, 25 years of age with an engine to replace Eriksen, which means we now have a very good rotation option. 55 Million with a year to go... I guess Chelsea signed Sterling for 50mill, could be worse! Between rival clubs the cost would always be higher. Time for Onana and a forward now.
posted on 29/6/23
Chronology of signings doesn't correspond to priority. There are some deals where the other club needs to wait before selling, e.g. because they need to progress with a deal for the outgoing player's replacement.
posted on 29/6/23
He’s not a player that I’d ever wished that we signed but I’m willing to trust the manager here.
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
Chronology of signings doesn't correspond to priority. There are some deals where the other club needs to wait before selling, e.g. because they need to progress with a deal for the outgoing player's replacement.
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RR do you know what the situation is with selling players and whether it boosts our transfer kitty? Is the money we generate in this window available immediately or does it go towards next seasons/years numbers.
posted on 29/6/23
Arsenal have signed Havertz when Rice is the bigger deal.
Is the international window (English can buy from abroad) open yet ?
posted on 29/6/23
“Do we know if Mason Mount was our main transfer target for this summer?”
Yes, we do. And no he very obviously wasn’t.
There’s an equally very obvious reason why United went after him early in the window, and that the deal has been completed before midnight tomorrow.
posted on 29/6/23
You seem to have got yourself into a right little tizzy about a hypothetical you’ve created.
Relax dude
posted on 29/6/23
Who says we have / are only negotiating 1 deal at a time?
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
Chronology of signings doesn't correspond to priority. There are some deals where the other club needs to wait before selling, e.g. because they need to progress with a deal for the outgoing player's replacement.
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RR do you know what the situation is with selling players and whether it boosts our transfer kitty? Is the money we generate in this window available immediately or does it go towards next seasons/years numbers.
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Your financial year runs to end of June.
Your issue isn’t the p&l though so it doesn’t really matter, if you sell players then you’ll have more funds available immediately.
posted on 29/6/23
City’s first signing was Kovacic, doubt he was their priority. You buy who you can in whatever order is doable. Malacia was our first signing last season too.
We want Kane, there is literally no way we could ever get him early on this summer.
posted on 29/6/23
Don’t funds from sales depend on the player we sell? If it’s homegrown like Henderson who we didn’t buy then most can be used on transfers but if it’s someone like Maguire or Martial it would depend on their contract and the fee we paid?
posted on 29/6/23
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 14 minutes ago
Don’t funds from sales depend on the player we sell? If it’s homegrown like Henderson who we didn’t buy then most can be used on transfers but if it’s someone like Maguire or Martial it would depend on their contract and the fee we paid?
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I think you might be confusing whatever cash we have in the bank with how the FFP accounting works a little.
Whoever we sell, if the cash comes in, we can spend it however we want. There are no rules (which would apply to us currently, at least) that would say we could or should spend £30m from the sale of McT any differently to £30m from the sale of Maguire, say. Either way, the cash is United’s to do whatever they want with.
The difference would be in the accounting adjustments to the amortisation of Maguire’s transfer fee (as well as how the respective adjustments to the wage bill would impact expenditure). Ultimately meaning that for accounting purposes, despite being on much lower wages than Maguire, shifting McT for £30m would be more useful.
This might explain things more clearly and eloquently than I can:
https://priceoffootball.com/football-transfers-and-creative-accounting-protect-me-from-what-i-want/
As to Mount, United have gone in early for him this summer because they know that Chelsea would want a deal done by the end of this month so that they can register the income against their 2022/23 accounts. I expect it was Chelsea who reinitiated discussions this week in an effort to get the deal done and registered quickly.
After 30 June, Chelsea would have less of an incentive to rush any deal through, and more of an incentive to hold out for whatever fee they thought they might be able to milk for the player. i.e. United could have expected to pay a higher fee to get the deal done in July or August than they have just agreed to pay.
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
Chronology of signings doesn't correspond to priority. There are some deals where the other club needs to wait before selling, e.g. because they need to progress with a deal for the outgoing player's replacement.
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RR do you know what the situation is with selling players and whether it boosts our transfer kitty? Is the money we generate in this window available immediately or does it go towards next seasons/years numbers.
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Elvis, you've confused me with someone who knows a bit about this stuff
posted on 29/6/23
Jeez, what are you doing spending £60m on Mount, horrendous business for a massively over rated player
posted on 29/6/23
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 37 seconds ago
Jeez, what are you doing spending £60m on Mount, horrendous business for a massively over rated player
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Arsenal have spent more than double that on an even more overated player. Mount might work well for us.
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
Chronology of signings doesn't correspond to priority. There are some deals where the other club needs to wait before selling, e.g. because they need to progress with a deal for the outgoing player's replacement.
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RR do you know what the situation is with selling players and whether it boosts our transfer kitty? Is the money we generate in this window available immediately or does it go towards next seasons/years numbers.
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Elvis, you've confused me with someone who knows a bit about this stuff
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The answer to that question will be more about strategy than meeting FFP requirements.
On FFP, there’s probably next to nobody outside the club who has any really decent idea of how close to the bone we are; and on strategy, there’ll be nobody I imagine (maybe even within the club ).
posted on 29/6/23
I'm not a fan of this signing, at that price?
I've watched him a fair few times and have yet to be anything other than "ok" with him? I would be pant wetting happy if he steps up and proves me wrong but I honestly cannot see that happening, that price for that level of player with our supposed budget is fcked imo Christ I hope I'm way off the mark
posted on 30/6/23
I think Mount is a good player who probably suffers in most people’s eyes due to wanting to see the likes of Grealish and Foden start for England instead of him.
He’s not as flashy or as exciting as those players but he’s very functional, hard working, good on the ball and a good passer & set-piece player. My hope is that his ability to press and his comfort in possession will help keep us higher up the pitch and add intensity to our game. He’s also fairly efficient in his passing & finishing.
Pochettino definitely won’t have wanted to lose Mount and it seems he’s been signed with a plan in mind. We also need to be mindful of the homegrown issue, so Mount makes sense on that front, too.
posted on 30/6/23
Mason Mount is, by far and away, the best footballer of his type and age in this league. So questioning his arrival, and cost, is pretty ridiculous. MUFC should always seek the best. This time they've got it right.
Whether he makes a major difference next season is yet to be seen, because clearly the midfield area is not the club's weakest area - although the likes of Casemiro, Eriksen and even Fernandes do have age issues which were very visible in some very important games.
As for challenging city, no single player no matter how good is going to make that kind if difference - no matter how special they are likely to become. But it should/could/would be a start if the club dropped the detritus for good, and bought in some players of equal calibre (or better) to work with him (and each other) in other areas - like the centre/forward, gk and winger positions.
United need to find more shape, work better together as a team, and display greater dynamism. He will certainly contribute a lot to those objectives
posted on 30/6/23
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
“Do we know if Mason Mount was our main transfer target for this summer?”
Yes, we do. And no he very obviously wasn’t.
There’s an equally very obvious reason why United went after him early in the window, and that the deal has been completed before midnight tomorrow.
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Rosso has me filtered and understandably so but this isn’t necessarily a reply to him but to his post above.
As fans without direct involvement in the club obviously we actually don’t know if Mount was our main transfer target for this summer. He may not have been but I think it’s daft to say so forthrightly that he wasn’t. There’s no way that any of us know this, at all. It’s just conjecture and guessing.
One could argue that given that he’s the first player that we have openly negotiated for and seemingly agreed terms for that he could have been our main priority.
I think most of us would agree, and let’s assume that the club agree, that a CF was / is the highest priority for us but if that was a huge difficulty then perhaps this signing was our main priority. I appreciate that this clearly implies that it was secondary to a CF but if it was clear that our CF preferred targets weren’t likely at all pre-window then the second priority does become the main.
I might be being dense here but I don’t actually get what Rosso’s point is with the second sentence. Going after him early and completing the deal promptly suggests that the club (and hopefully manager) were adamant that he was a player that we wanted.
I’m probably missing something very obvious given Rosso’s post and if so I’ll happily be educated by others (as Rosso won’t reply).
As to Mount, like many of us, when I’ve watched him I’ve never thought ‘fk me I want that’. However, every Chelsea fan I know in real life rates him highly and don’t want to lose him and most if not all Chelsea fans on here feel similarly. For me that says a lot. Whether he works out for us an returns to his form of a year, two years ago time will only tell. But £50m ish when we spent the same on Fred and as a clear option for Eriksen I think it’s likely to be a good buy. But we’ve seen plenty join us and fail to deliver. I just hope that given he was on a high then dropped, coming to us he’ll have a point to prove as opposed to players on a high and only way is same or down. I also trust in ETH, he’s not perfect but neither were Fergie’s signings.
posted on 30/6/23
As to Mount, United have gone in early for him this summer because they know that Chelsea would want a deal done by the end of this month so that they can register the income against their 2022/23 accounts. I expect it was Chelsea who reinitiated discussions this week in an effort to get the deal done and registered quickly.
After 30 June, Chelsea would have less of an incentive to rush any deal through, and more of an incentive to hold out for whatever fee they thought they might be able to milk for the player. i.e. United could have expected to pay a higher fee to get the deal done in July or August than they have just agreed to pay.
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United might also want the transfer registered against their 22/23 accounts. So could be United that initiated renegotiation and media reports seem to support that conclusion.
Also, United are basically paying what Chelsea wanted from the start. I don't think the fee would have been much different before or after the end of the month. When Liverpool were linked with Mount he was apparently going for 50-60m. Been the same story all summer.
posted on 30/6/23
"Do we know if Mason Mount was our main transfer target for this summer?"
Does it matter?
posted on 30/6/23
Mount is a champions league winner, which is a hell of a lot better than a lot of our squad can boast.
posted on 30/6/23
comment by A Treble Without Cheating (U9335)
posted 5 minutes ago
Mount is a champions league winner, which is a hell of a lot better than a lot of our squad can boast.
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true, this is why United should get all champions league winners, and not Kane.
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