Again, he returned from surgery to fix his shoulder and back issues in ***October 2021***
My maths isn’t what it used to be, but that isn’t three seasons ago.
Between the time of the injury and surgery he was playing through pain, with the use of injections, every week. He couldn’t run properly. All of this is well documented.
12 months after his return from surgery, and with more than 18 months left on his contract, United began the renewal process.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 21 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
A massive contract VC, one that would normally go to a world class player who doesn't go missing.
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Can you show me it? I haven’t seen it.
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Reportedly £375k a week
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Reportedly.
And that isn’t big considering some of the stupid contracts we have been dishing out post SAF.
But going on just last season alone that would not be something I would lose any sleep over.
Obviously his return of goals and assists isn’t good enough for you, a Liverpool fan, but is was very good in my eyes.
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£375 per week isn’t that big? You must be trolled.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 18 minutes ago
Again, he returned from surgery to fix his shoulder and back issues in ***October 2021***
My maths isn’t what it used to be, but that isn’t three seasons ago.
Between the time of the injury and surgery he was playing through pain, with the use of injections, every week. He couldn’t run properly. All of this is well documented.
12 months after his return from surgery, and with more than 18 months left on his contract, United began the renewal process.
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My biology aint that great but Elvis referred to a back injury, which he suffered in 2020 and kept him out from Jan, but back in time for the covid restart in July.
His shoulder problem & surgery was the following season (2021/22)and YES it may have affected him in the 57 games he played in 20/21 but you seem to be claiming that United gave him 21/22 season to prove his fitness (he missed 3 of the remaining PL games in 21/22) and then waited until 2023 New Year before opening contract talks which have concluded.
Now I am not saying that his fitness will not be a part of their consideration, it will have been. What i have been saying is that in the summer of 22, with 2 years left, Rashford had managed 15 PL goals over 2 seasons and PL 62 games. His form and level of performance had been pretty meh! Hence my comment the jury was out. A shoulder injury is bad but ultimately not the worst and all footballers play through pain and injections. After surgery he played almost the rest of the season, Oct - May, so his fitness was beyond doubt at that point. What was in doubt was his output. The contract offer came 8 months after the end of that season and only after he showed red hot form.
It all goes back to my fundamental point that if a player is a Key Asset, then regardless of this sort of injury and relatively short lay off, they are tied down. Do you think if Halaand or Kane missed half a season and then is a bit out of sorts on their return it would affect a clubs thinking, they'd wait and see if they fully recover, at peak age? No because there is no doubting their quality. There was doubting of Rashford's quality because his career up to that date had been up and down and he appeared to have shaky confidence. A key attribute of top players is their mental strength and this is needed particularly in recovery and come back from injury. Rashford came back physically strong from his shoulder surgery, played most PL games, but mentally there remained questions, which remained unanswered after a poor output of goals by the summer of 22.
Ole killed Rashford
ETH resurrected him
I’m glad we are keeping Rashford as he is home grown, and can be a very good player, but he isn’t world class, and isn’t worth £350k per week.
Itl be interesting to see what happens with Garnacho if we go and get the CF we desperately need.
I just hope such a wage doesn’t mean limited opportunities on the Left for Garnacho.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's about the club making a firm decision that he is the future,
….
Do you think he shouldn’t be? Do you think we should have just let him sign for someone else?
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Didnt say that either.
What i have said is that 12 months ago, there were question marks. Now there arent so many, although the contract situation forces the hand also.
If PSG had offered 70m last summer there would have been a decision to make. Now, even with 1 year left, you wouldnt contemplate that.
This reflects the up and down nature of Rashford form and while Elvis will bang on about his form being entirely linked to his injuries, that isnt the case, his whole career is littered with erratic output.
Rashford's back injury was early 2020. The extended covid season saw him return in July and add more to his 14 goals already that season. His best output (17) to that date, despite his injury. The injury free 20/21 season was underwhelming for Rashford, despite Utd coming 2nd. Im not sure someone with a debilitating injury plays 57 games in a season, missing 1 league game!
He may well benefit from this manager. To me he has always looked like a player with flaky confidence. When he broke on to the scene he appeared to have all the qualities of someone like MBappe, but he just hasnt kicked on in a consistent way.
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It appears you have an problem with reading and comprehension. I didn't say that his issues were entirely down to injuries. I have said that it was his main issue. I have also added that his confidence was shot in Ole's final season and that he does have flaws to his game too.
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"Do you think that perhaps the club was waiting to see if he could overcome his injury issues before offering him a new deal?"
My answer has been no!
They've waited to see whether he can deliver. You've just said yourself he has had confidence issues (which i have said from the word go) and IMO up and down confidence is not an excuse for anything, its an attribute that holds you back. I have seen it with players at Spurs like Winks and Sessegnon who have real quality but so often failed to deliver, looking devoid of confidence - They will not succeed because of this despite their natural abilities. Rashford I have always though to have such a high bar, but hasn't delivered and when it hasnt gone well for him his body language is dreadful, it seems to really affect him, which is not a trait of the best! and is something that could potentially blight his whole career.
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He did have confidence issues in the 21/22 season. We could all see it and he has talked about his mental health during that period. That was his worst season since he broke through. Before that we have seen a steady progression curve in terms on his output. Even when he was playing when injured he was still returning decent figures and they were actually his two best seasons to that point, despite not playing great. They were only marginally better than what he achieved last season.
15/16 - 263 minutes per goal involvement
16/17 - 168 minutes per goal involvement
17/18 - 121 minutes per goal involvement
18/19 - 142 minutes per goal involvement
19/20 - 108 minutes per goal involvement
20/21 - 115 minutes per goal involvement
21/22 - 237 minutes per goal involvement
22/23 - 105 minutes per goal involvement
The club knew that he could deliver. His output over the course of his career is better than what Mane managed at Liverpool.
The question was whether his injuries would continue to hamper him and pose a long term problem. With the squad looking stronger and Rashford injury free, I'd expect him to kick on further and get closer his his ceiling.
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All that shows to me is that 12 months ago the club were looking at his declining contributions and probably thinking, is this guy gonna deliver on his potential or continue to decline?Jury's out ! Last season did enough to convince them on every front, and lo and behold a mega contract offer.
That's my view. I know you think that they'd give him 3 seasons to get over his back injury before a firm contract offer but clubs do not normally deliberately go into the last 2 seasons of a key player's contract unless 1. the player wont commit OR 2. they are unsure whether they want to keep them long term. His ability to stay fit will be part of that but i believe you are over playing his injury's, the guy had one season where he missed a dozen league games. If you believe Rashford's injuries alone would be a reason not to keep him/offer a contract, then that also speaks to his quality/consistency/reliability. A club would not stall giving a player a massive new deal if that player was a stellar player.
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Once again you cannot comprehend simple English. I have said repeatedly that his injuries have been his MAIN issue over recent years. He has still managed to play a good number of games, but he hasn't been the same player.
It makes me laugh that you think you know more than United fans that watch him every game. You could see from how he moved that he was injured. You could see that he was having to limit the number of runs he made to conserve his energy/put less stress on his body. He could see him grimacing in pain. You could see that he didn't have the same explosive pace. Anyone with half a brain could see it. On top of that you have got both Ole and Rashford confirming that he was playing with injuries.
The back injury, as I have said, can take up to 18 months before you get fill mobility. That was further hampered by later injuries to his shoulder and foot. Se yes, he was a good two years playing with injuries after he returned from his back injuries.
Once again you cannot comprehend simple English.
............
A common trend on our board these days.
Have a read of this excellent post made by rosso back in December about Rashford:
===========================
So in Jan 2020, the man suffers a double stress fracture in his back which should keep him out for three months. He isn’t happy with that, so he has a special girdle made to support his back so he can return to training as quickly as possible.
Then throughout the 2020/21 season, he plays with a torn muscle in his shoulder which needs operating on. He puts off the operation because he wants to keep playing, but only manages to get on the pitch by being pumped full of painkilling injections before every game. He can’t do gym work, and he can’t perform all the exercises the other players are undertaking in training.
How the fack can you sprint at an elite sports level with torn shoulder musculature and when you can’t training properly?
He finishes the same season with pulled ligaments in his foot. But plays through that too..
Despite these (serious) issues, through 2019/20 and 2020/21, he manages to make 93 appearances, scoring 42 goals.
Whilst United fans should be lauding his extreme commitment and, given the circumstances, remarkable contribution during this period, what do we get?
“I knew Gashford would never become never become an elite player.”
“He’s lazy. He doesn’t even give a shiiiit.”
“Can’t even be bothered sprinting for the ball anymore.”
I facking hate United fans, I really do. Horrible bunch of ingrates.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's about the club making a firm decision that he is the future,
….
Do you think he shouldn’t be? Do you think we should have just let him sign for someone else?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt say that either.
What i have said is that 12 months ago, there were question marks. Now there arent so many, although the contract situation forces the hand also.
If PSG had offered 70m last summer there would have been a decision to make. Now, even with 1 year left, you wouldnt contemplate that.
This reflects the up and down nature of Rashford form and while Elvis will bang on about his form being entirely linked to his injuries, that isnt the case, his whole career is littered with erratic output.
Rashford's back injury was early 2020. The extended covid season saw him return in July and add more to his 14 goals already that season. His best output (17) to that date, despite his injury. The injury free 20/21 season was underwhelming for Rashford, despite Utd coming 2nd. Im not sure someone with a debilitating injury plays 57 games in a season, missing 1 league game!
He may well benefit from this manager. To me he has always looked like a player with flaky confidence. When he broke on to the scene he appeared to have all the qualities of someone like MBappe, but he just hasnt kicked on in a consistent way.
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It appears you have an problem with reading and comprehension. I didn't say that his issues were entirely down to injuries. I have said that it was his main issue. I have also added that his confidence was shot in Ole's final season and that he does have flaws to his game too.
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"Do you think that perhaps the club was waiting to see if he could overcome his injury issues before offering him a new deal?"
My answer has been no!
They've waited to see whether he can deliver. You've just said yourself he has had confidence issues (which i have said from the word go) and IMO up and down confidence is not an excuse for anything, its an attribute that holds you back. I have seen it with players at Spurs like Winks and Sessegnon who have real quality but so often failed to deliver, looking devoid of confidence - They will not succeed because of this despite their natural abilities. Rashford I have always though to have such a high bar, but hasn't delivered and when it hasnt gone well for him his body language is dreadful, it seems to really affect him, which is not a trait of the best! and is something that could potentially blight his whole career.
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He did have confidence issues in the 21/22 season. We could all see it and he has talked about his mental health during that period. That was his worst season since he broke through. Before that we have seen a steady progression curve in terms on his output. Even when he was playing when injured he was still returning decent figures and they were actually his two best seasons to that point, despite not playing great. They were only marginally better than what he achieved last season.
tel:15/16 - 263 minutes per goal involvement
tel:16/17 - 168 minutes per goal involvement
tel:17/18 - 121 minutes per goal involvement
tel:18/19 - 142 minutes per goal involvement
tel:19/20 - 108 minutes per goal involvement
tel:20/21 - 115 minutes per goal involvement
tel:21/22 - 237 minutes per goal involvement
tel:22/23 - 105 minutes per goal involvement
The club knew that he could deliver. His output over the course of his career is better than what Mane managed at Liverpool.
The question was whether his injuries would continue to hamper him and pose a long term problem. With the squad looking stronger and Rashford injury free, I'd expect him to kick on further and get closer his his ceiling.
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All that shows to me is that 12 months ago the club were looking at his declining contributions and probably thinking, is this guy gonna deliver on his potential or continue to decline?Jury's out ! Last season did enough to convince them on every front, and lo and behold a mega contract offer.
That's my view. I know you think that they'd give him 3 seasons to get over his back injury before a firm contract offer but clubs do not normally deliberately go into the last 2 seasons of a key player's contract unless 1. the player wont commit OR 2. they are unsure whether they want to keep them long term. His ability to stay fit will be part of that but i believe you are over playing his injury's, the guy had one season where he missed a dozen league games. If you believe Rashford's injuries alone would be a reason not to keep him/offer a contract, then that also speaks to his quality/consistency/reliability. A club would not stall giving a player a massive new deal if that player was a stellar player.
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Once again you cannot comprehend simple English. I have said repeatedly that his injuries have been his MAIN issue over recent years. He has still managed to play a good number of games, but he hasn't been the same player.
It makes me laugh that you think you know more than United fans that watch him every game. You could see from how he moved that he was injured. You could see that he was having to limit the number of runs he made to conserve his energy/put less stress on his body. He could see him grimacing in pain. You could see that he didn't have the same explosive pace. Anyone with half a brain could see it. On top of that you have got both Ole and Rashford confirming that he was playing with injuries.
The back injury, as I have said, can take up to 18 months before you get fill mobility. That was further hampered by later injuries to his shoulder and foot. Se yes, he was a good two years playing with injuries after he returned from his back injuries.
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posted on 18/7/23
Again, he returned from surgery to fix his shoulder and back issues in ***October 2021***
My maths isn’t what it used to be, but that isn’t three seasons ago.
Between the time of the injury and surgery he was playing through pain, with the use of injections, every week. He couldn’t run properly. All of this is well documented.
12 months after his return from surgery, and with more than 18 months left on his contract, United began the renewal process.
posted on 18/7/23
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 21 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
A massive contract VC, one that would normally go to a world class player who doesn't go missing.
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Can you show me it? I haven’t seen it.
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Reportedly £375k a week
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Reportedly.
And that isn’t big considering some of the stupid contracts we have been dishing out post SAF.
But going on just last season alone that would not be something I would lose any sleep over.
Obviously his return of goals and assists isn’t good enough for you, a Liverpool fan, but is was very good in my eyes.
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£375 per week isn’t that big? You must be trolled.
posted on 18/7/23
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 18 minutes ago
Again, he returned from surgery to fix his shoulder and back issues in ***October 2021***
My maths isn’t what it used to be, but that isn’t three seasons ago.
Between the time of the injury and surgery he was playing through pain, with the use of injections, every week. He couldn’t run properly. All of this is well documented.
12 months after his return from surgery, and with more than 18 months left on his contract, United began the renewal process.
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My biology aint that great but Elvis referred to a back injury, which he suffered in 2020 and kept him out from Jan, but back in time for the covid restart in July.
His shoulder problem & surgery was the following season (2021/22)and YES it may have affected him in the 57 games he played in 20/21 but you seem to be claiming that United gave him 21/22 season to prove his fitness (he missed 3 of the remaining PL games in 21/22) and then waited until 2023 New Year before opening contract talks which have concluded.
Now I am not saying that his fitness will not be a part of their consideration, it will have been. What i have been saying is that in the summer of 22, with 2 years left, Rashford had managed 15 PL goals over 2 seasons and PL 62 games. His form and level of performance had been pretty meh! Hence my comment the jury was out. A shoulder injury is bad but ultimately not the worst and all footballers play through pain and injections. After surgery he played almost the rest of the season, Oct - May, so his fitness was beyond doubt at that point. What was in doubt was his output. The contract offer came 8 months after the end of that season and only after he showed red hot form.
It all goes back to my fundamental point that if a player is a Key Asset, then regardless of this sort of injury and relatively short lay off, they are tied down. Do you think if Halaand or Kane missed half a season and then is a bit out of sorts on their return it would affect a clubs thinking, they'd wait and see if they fully recover, at peak age? No because there is no doubting their quality. There was doubting of Rashford's quality because his career up to that date had been up and down and he appeared to have shaky confidence. A key attribute of top players is their mental strength and this is needed particularly in recovery and come back from injury. Rashford came back physically strong from his shoulder surgery, played most PL games, but mentally there remained questions, which remained unanswered after a poor output of goals by the summer of 22.
posted on 18/7/23
Ole killed Rashford
ETH resurrected him
posted on 18/7/23
I’m glad we are keeping Rashford as he is home grown, and can be a very good player, but he isn’t world class, and isn’t worth £350k per week.
Itl be interesting to see what happens with Garnacho if we go and get the CF we desperately need.
I just hope such a wage doesn’t mean limited opportunities on the Left for Garnacho.
posted on 18/7/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's about the club making a firm decision that he is the future,
….
Do you think he shouldn’t be? Do you think we should have just let him sign for someone else?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt say that either.
What i have said is that 12 months ago, there were question marks. Now there arent so many, although the contract situation forces the hand also.
If PSG had offered 70m last summer there would have been a decision to make. Now, even with 1 year left, you wouldnt contemplate that.
This reflects the up and down nature of Rashford form and while Elvis will bang on about his form being entirely linked to his injuries, that isnt the case, his whole career is littered with erratic output.
Rashford's back injury was early 2020. The extended covid season saw him return in July and add more to his 14 goals already that season. His best output (17) to that date, despite his injury. The injury free 20/21 season was underwhelming for Rashford, despite Utd coming 2nd. Im not sure someone with a debilitating injury plays 57 games in a season, missing 1 league game!
He may well benefit from this manager. To me he has always looked like a player with flaky confidence. When he broke on to the scene he appeared to have all the qualities of someone like MBappe, but he just hasnt kicked on in a consistent way.
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It appears you have an problem with reading and comprehension. I didn't say that his issues were entirely down to injuries. I have said that it was his main issue. I have also added that his confidence was shot in Ole's final season and that he does have flaws to his game too.
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"Do you think that perhaps the club was waiting to see if he could overcome his injury issues before offering him a new deal?"
My answer has been no!
They've waited to see whether he can deliver. You've just said yourself he has had confidence issues (which i have said from the word go) and IMO up and down confidence is not an excuse for anything, its an attribute that holds you back. I have seen it with players at Spurs like Winks and Sessegnon who have real quality but so often failed to deliver, looking devoid of confidence - They will not succeed because of this despite their natural abilities. Rashford I have always though to have such a high bar, but hasn't delivered and when it hasnt gone well for him his body language is dreadful, it seems to really affect him, which is not a trait of the best! and is something that could potentially blight his whole career.
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He did have confidence issues in the 21/22 season. We could all see it and he has talked about his mental health during that period. That was his worst season since he broke through. Before that we have seen a steady progression curve in terms on his output. Even when he was playing when injured he was still returning decent figures and they were actually his two best seasons to that point, despite not playing great. They were only marginally better than what he achieved last season.
15/16 - 263 minutes per goal involvement
16/17 - 168 minutes per goal involvement
17/18 - 121 minutes per goal involvement
18/19 - 142 minutes per goal involvement
19/20 - 108 minutes per goal involvement
20/21 - 115 minutes per goal involvement
21/22 - 237 minutes per goal involvement
22/23 - 105 minutes per goal involvement
The club knew that he could deliver. His output over the course of his career is better than what Mane managed at Liverpool.
The question was whether his injuries would continue to hamper him and pose a long term problem. With the squad looking stronger and Rashford injury free, I'd expect him to kick on further and get closer his his ceiling.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
All that shows to me is that 12 months ago the club were looking at his declining contributions and probably thinking, is this guy gonna deliver on his potential or continue to decline?Jury's out ! Last season did enough to convince them on every front, and lo and behold a mega contract offer.
That's my view. I know you think that they'd give him 3 seasons to get over his back injury before a firm contract offer but clubs do not normally deliberately go into the last 2 seasons of a key player's contract unless 1. the player wont commit OR 2. they are unsure whether they want to keep them long term. His ability to stay fit will be part of that but i believe you are over playing his injury's, the guy had one season where he missed a dozen league games. If you believe Rashford's injuries alone would be a reason not to keep him/offer a contract, then that also speaks to his quality/consistency/reliability. A club would not stall giving a player a massive new deal if that player was a stellar player.
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Once again you cannot comprehend simple English. I have said repeatedly that his injuries have been his MAIN issue over recent years. He has still managed to play a good number of games, but he hasn't been the same player.
It makes me laugh that you think you know more than United fans that watch him every game. You could see from how he moved that he was injured. You could see that he was having to limit the number of runs he made to conserve his energy/put less stress on his body. He could see him grimacing in pain. You could see that he didn't have the same explosive pace. Anyone with half a brain could see it. On top of that you have got both Ole and Rashford confirming that he was playing with injuries.
The back injury, as I have said, can take up to 18 months before you get fill mobility. That was further hampered by later injuries to his shoulder and foot. Se yes, he was a good two years playing with injuries after he returned from his back injuries.
posted on 18/7/23
Once again you cannot comprehend simple English.
............
A common trend on our board these days.
posted on 18/7/23
Have a read of this excellent post made by rosso back in December about Rashford:
===========================
So in Jan 2020, the man suffers a double stress fracture in his back which should keep him out for three months. He isn’t happy with that, so he has a special girdle made to support his back so he can return to training as quickly as possible.
Then throughout the 2020/21 season, he plays with a torn muscle in his shoulder which needs operating on. He puts off the operation because he wants to keep playing, but only manages to get on the pitch by being pumped full of painkilling injections before every game. He can’t do gym work, and he can’t perform all the exercises the other players are undertaking in training.
How the fack can you sprint at an elite sports level with torn shoulder musculature and when you can’t training properly?
He finishes the same season with pulled ligaments in his foot. But plays through that too..
Despite these (serious) issues, through 2019/20 and 2020/21, he manages to make 93 appearances, scoring 42 goals.
Whilst United fans should be lauding his extreme commitment and, given the circumstances, remarkable contribution during this period, what do we get?
“I knew Gashford would never become never become an elite player.”
“He’s lazy. He doesn’t even give a shiiiit.”
“Can’t even be bothered sprinting for the ball anymore.”
I facking hate United fans, I really do. Horrible bunch of ingrates.
posted on 18/7/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
It's about the club making a firm decision that he is the future,
….
Do you think he shouldn’t be? Do you think we should have just let him sign for someone else?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didnt say that either.
What i have said is that 12 months ago, there were question marks. Now there arent so many, although the contract situation forces the hand also.
If PSG had offered 70m last summer there would have been a decision to make. Now, even with 1 year left, you wouldnt contemplate that.
This reflects the up and down nature of Rashford form and while Elvis will bang on about his form being entirely linked to his injuries, that isnt the case, his whole career is littered with erratic output.
Rashford's back injury was early 2020. The extended covid season saw him return in July and add more to his 14 goals already that season. His best output (17) to that date, despite his injury. The injury free 20/21 season was underwhelming for Rashford, despite Utd coming 2nd. Im not sure someone with a debilitating injury plays 57 games in a season, missing 1 league game!
He may well benefit from this manager. To me he has always looked like a player with flaky confidence. When he broke on to the scene he appeared to have all the qualities of someone like MBappe, but he just hasnt kicked on in a consistent way.
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It appears you have an problem with reading and comprehension. I didn't say that his issues were entirely down to injuries. I have said that it was his main issue. I have also added that his confidence was shot in Ole's final season and that he does have flaws to his game too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Do you think that perhaps the club was waiting to see if he could overcome his injury issues before offering him a new deal?"
My answer has been no!
They've waited to see whether he can deliver. You've just said yourself he has had confidence issues (which i have said from the word go) and IMO up and down confidence is not an excuse for anything, its an attribute that holds you back. I have seen it with players at Spurs like Winks and Sessegnon who have real quality but so often failed to deliver, looking devoid of confidence - They will not succeed because of this despite their natural abilities. Rashford I have always though to have such a high bar, but hasn't delivered and when it hasnt gone well for him his body language is dreadful, it seems to really affect him, which is not a trait of the best! and is something that could potentially blight his whole career.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He did have confidence issues in the 21/22 season. We could all see it and he has talked about his mental health during that period. That was his worst season since he broke through. Before that we have seen a steady progression curve in terms on his output. Even when he was playing when injured he was still returning decent figures and they were actually his two best seasons to that point, despite not playing great. They were only marginally better than what he achieved last season.
tel:15/16 - 263 minutes per goal involvement
tel:16/17 - 168 minutes per goal involvement
tel:17/18 - 121 minutes per goal involvement
tel:18/19 - 142 minutes per goal involvement
tel:19/20 - 108 minutes per goal involvement
tel:20/21 - 115 minutes per goal involvement
tel:21/22 - 237 minutes per goal involvement
tel:22/23 - 105 minutes per goal involvement
The club knew that he could deliver. His output over the course of his career is better than what Mane managed at Liverpool.
The question was whether his injuries would continue to hamper him and pose a long term problem. With the squad looking stronger and Rashford injury free, I'd expect him to kick on further and get closer his his ceiling.
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All that shows to me is that 12 months ago the club were looking at his declining contributions and probably thinking, is this guy gonna deliver on his potential or continue to decline?Jury's out ! Last season did enough to convince them on every front, and lo and behold a mega contract offer.
That's my view. I know you think that they'd give him 3 seasons to get over his back injury before a firm contract offer but clubs do not normally deliberately go into the last 2 seasons of a key player's contract unless 1. the player wont commit OR 2. they are unsure whether they want to keep them long term. His ability to stay fit will be part of that but i believe you are over playing his injury's, the guy had one season where he missed a dozen league games. If you believe Rashford's injuries alone would be a reason not to keep him/offer a contract, then that also speaks to his quality/consistency/reliability. A club would not stall giving a player a massive new deal if that player was a stellar player.
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Once again you cannot comprehend simple English. I have said repeatedly that his injuries have been his MAIN issue over recent years. He has still managed to play a good number of games, but he hasn't been the same player.
It makes me laugh that you think you know more than United fans that watch him every game. You could see from how he moved that he was injured. You could see that he was having to limit the number of runs he made to conserve his energy/put less stress on his body. He could see him grimacing in pain. You could see that he didn't have the same explosive pace. Anyone with half a brain could see it. On top of that you have got both Ole and Rashford confirming that he was playing with injuries.
The back injury, as I have said, can take up to 18 months before you get fill mobility. That was further hampered by later injuries to his shoulder and foot. Se yes, he was a good two years playing with injuries after he returned from his back injuries.
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He’s a Tory beeellend. You won’t be able to reason with him.
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