Also don't see who signs him without him explicitly explaining the audio and pictures to the public.
His career at the top level in English football rests on him being able to do so.
A Prince Andrew style interview in which he has to come out the other side having given a plausible explanation to questions and follow ups.
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 2 minutes ago
The club should have swung the axe much earlier if they really meant it.
At the end of the day, he just wasn't worth the potential financial hit to the United marketing machine.
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It only took this long because he’s a decent footballer.
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 32 seconds ago
Now that we have concluded and announced the outcome of the club's investigation into Mason Greenwood, I want to be direct and transparent with our fans about the process and the reasons for our decision.
This was an internal disciplinary investigation between employer and employee which would ordinarily take place outside of the public eye. Given the public nature of the allegations and Mason's profile, I acknowledge that this was not an ordinary situation, but I felt it important that we still follow due process and, so far as possible, avoid media comment until I had made a definitive decision.
When audio footage and imagery was posted online in January 2022, my feelings were of shock and concern for the alleged victim. Her welfare, wishes and perspective have been central to the club's approach ever since, as have the club’s standards and values. While we immediately concluded that Mason should be suspended pending investigation, we were also conscious of our duty of care towards him and the importance of making a decision based on full information. Until February this year, this was a matter for the police and the Crown Prosecution Service. It was only when charges were dropped that the club discussed the allegations with Mason and others involved in the case.
Our investigation sought to collate as much evidence as possible to establish facts and context. This was not a quick or straightforward process for a variety of reasons. It was essential for us to respect the rights and wishes of the alleged victim. Also, we have limited powers of investigation which meant we were reliant on third party cooperation. Timings have also been influenced by my desire to minimise the impact of the investigation on our men's and women's teams, as well as our Lionesses. I acknowledge that this gave more time for speculation, but the alternative would have been to compromise due process or create untimely disruption.
While we were unable to access certain evidence for reasons we respect, the evidence we did collate led us to conclude that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with. I am restricted as to what I can say for legal reasons, including the alleged victim's ongoing right to anonymity, but I am able to share the following with you which should give you some insight into the complexity of this case:
The alleged victim requested the police to drop their investigation in April 2022.
We were provided with alternative explanations for the audio recording, which was a short excerpt from a much longer recording, and for the images posted online.
The alleged victim's family participated in the process and were given the opportunity to review and correct our factual findings.
Last week the media reported that we had decided to reintegrate Mason and that elements of a plan to do so had been leaked to them. Reintegration was one of the outcomes we considered and planned for. For context, over the course of the past six months several outcomes have been contemplated and planned for, and my view has evolved as our process progressed. While the ultimate decision rested with me, I was taking various factors and views into account right up until the point of finalising my decision.
While I am satisfied that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with, Mason’s accepted that he has made mistakes which he takes responsibility for. I am also mindful of the challenge that Mason would face rebuilding his career and raising a baby together with his partner in the harsh spotlight of Manchester United. Further, this case has provoked strong opinions, and it is my responsibility to minimise any distraction to the unity we are seeking within the club.
Although we have decided that Mason will seek to rebuild his career away from Manchester United, that does not signal the end of this matter. The club will continue to offer its support both to the alleged victim and Mason to help them rebuild and move forward positively with their lives.
Thank you for your continued support,
Richard Arnold
Chief Executive Officer
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Stick that in the OP
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 seconds ago
I presume that though he threatened rape, he didn't actually rape her.
It's the only conclusion I can come to, but am happy to admit I'm wrong if it is so.
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It is a good start! You have waffled a lot without knowing the full facts at hand.
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You mean I've spoken about it.
You have waffled, on which there is general agreement
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 7 minutes ago
This statement is not exactly painting the club in a good light either, why are you letting go of a player if they didn’t commit a crime according to them?
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Because if they had. The online mob would never have allowed him continue.
In the light of everything it best he leaves.
Well, that’s that crisis over and done with. I wonder what crisis will hit United next.
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Also don't see who signs him without him explicitly explaining the audio and pictures to the public.
His career at the top level in English football rests on him being able to do so.
A Prince Andrew style interview in which he has to come out the other side having given a plausible explanation to questions and follow ups.
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that's gonna be an awkward episode of the overlap
Club seem pretty adamant then he didn't rape her. Not that makes his other behaviour acceptable of course. It most certainly doesn't.
He will end up in Greece or Turkey I reckon.
So we can add this backtrack of a decision to the Arnautovic backtrack, and the Super League backtrack by the club.
Our owners really are fckin useless at gauging these things from the off aren't they?
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 10 seconds ago
Also don't see who signs him without him explicitly explaining the audio and pictures to the public.
His career at the top level in English football rests on him being able to do so.
A Prince Andrew style interview in which he has to come out the other side having given a plausible explanation to questions and follow ups.
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He could try going down the mental health route. It's the last line of defence.
The statement from the club helps his chances of finding a new club ten fold
comment by Ronaldo McDonaldo 2 (U8472)
posted 21 seconds ago
Well, that’s that crisis over and done with. I wonder what crisis will hit United next.
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A martial injury?
comment by Ronaldo McDonaldo 2 (U8472)
posted 51 seconds ago
Well, that’s that crisis over and done with. I wonder what crisis will hit United next.
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Antony up next.
comment by Ronaldo McDonaldo 2 (U8472)
posted 1 minute ago
Well, that’s that crisis over and done with. I wonder what crisis will hit United next.
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Dunno, but Antony just handed me a pint and said, "Hold this, mate."
Several members of parliament criticised the proposed return of Greenwood, as did Women’s Aid, a charity which supports women and children. The club had not engaged with charities specialising in abuse against women to help inform their internal process. [@AdamCrafton_]
Shambles
He must have been paid off by the club as well
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 0 seconds ago
Several members of parliament criticised the proposed return of Greenwood, as did Women’s Aid, a charity which supports women and children. The club had not engaged with charities specialising in abuse against women to help inform their internal process. [@AdamCrafton_]
Shambles
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It's absolutely none of their business
comment by user number one (U23061)
posted 17 minutes ago
The fact that they have stated he didn't commit the crimes he was arrested for is huge. They must be absolutely certain to say that.
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didnt commit? or just didnt get punished (didn't his partner drop the charges etc)
I suspect the club statement has been written in mutual agreement with the player's lawyers. A kind of we won't contest you letting him go but don't paint him in a bad light kind of thing.
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
So we can add this backtrack of a decision to the Arnautovic backtrack, and the Super League backtrack by the club.
Our owners really are fckin useless at gauging these things from the off aren't they?
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Not sure how much the owners were involved tbf. I'm sure they have had discussions but they have their new stooge Arnold to do it for them.
The right decision in the end, finally, but an absolute shiiiitshow by those at the top up to now.
greenwood lying about being cleared of all charges
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by user number one (U23061)
posted 17 minutes ago
The fact that they have stated he didn't commit the crimes he was arrested for is huge. They must be absolutely certain to say that.
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didnt commit? or just didnt get punished (didn't his partner drop the charges etc)
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Read the statement
comment by Ronaldo McDonaldo 2 (U8472)
posted 50 seconds ago
Well, that’s that crisis over and done with. I wonder what crisis will hit United next.
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My money is on your brand new keeper raiding his wife's "medicine cabinet" again the next time he comes down with a headache.
Least the Qataris didn't have to deal with this decision. Gives them a clean slate if they takeover
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posted on 21/8/23
Also don't see who signs him without him explicitly explaining the audio and pictures to the public.
His career at the top level in English football rests on him being able to do so.
A Prince Andrew style interview in which he has to come out the other side having given a plausible explanation to questions and follow ups.
posted on 21/8/23
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 2 minutes ago
The club should have swung the axe much earlier if they really meant it.
At the end of the day, he just wasn't worth the potential financial hit to the United marketing machine.
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It only took this long because he’s a decent footballer.
posted on 21/8/23
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 32 seconds ago
Now that we have concluded and announced the outcome of the club's investigation into Mason Greenwood, I want to be direct and transparent with our fans about the process and the reasons for our decision.
This was an internal disciplinary investigation between employer and employee which would ordinarily take place outside of the public eye. Given the public nature of the allegations and Mason's profile, I acknowledge that this was not an ordinary situation, but I felt it important that we still follow due process and, so far as possible, avoid media comment until I had made a definitive decision.
When audio footage and imagery was posted online in January 2022, my feelings were of shock and concern for the alleged victim. Her welfare, wishes and perspective have been central to the club's approach ever since, as have the club’s standards and values. While we immediately concluded that Mason should be suspended pending investigation, we were also conscious of our duty of care towards him and the importance of making a decision based on full information. Until February this year, this was a matter for the police and the Crown Prosecution Service. It was only when charges were dropped that the club discussed the allegations with Mason and others involved in the case.
Our investigation sought to collate as much evidence as possible to establish facts and context. This was not a quick or straightforward process for a variety of reasons. It was essential for us to respect the rights and wishes of the alleged victim. Also, we have limited powers of investigation which meant we were reliant on third party cooperation. Timings have also been influenced by my desire to minimise the impact of the investigation on our men's and women's teams, as well as our Lionesses. I acknowledge that this gave more time for speculation, but the alternative would have been to compromise due process or create untimely disruption.
While we were unable to access certain evidence for reasons we respect, the evidence we did collate led us to conclude that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with. I am restricted as to what I can say for legal reasons, including the alleged victim's ongoing right to anonymity, but I am able to share the following with you which should give you some insight into the complexity of this case:
The alleged victim requested the police to drop their investigation in April 2022.
We were provided with alternative explanations for the audio recording, which was a short excerpt from a much longer recording, and for the images posted online.
The alleged victim's family participated in the process and were given the opportunity to review and correct our factual findings.
Last week the media reported that we had decided to reintegrate Mason and that elements of a plan to do so had been leaked to them. Reintegration was one of the outcomes we considered and planned for. For context, over the course of the past six months several outcomes have been contemplated and planned for, and my view has evolved as our process progressed. While the ultimate decision rested with me, I was taking various factors and views into account right up until the point of finalising my decision.
While I am satisfied that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with, Mason’s accepted that he has made mistakes which he takes responsibility for. I am also mindful of the challenge that Mason would face rebuilding his career and raising a baby together with his partner in the harsh spotlight of Manchester United. Further, this case has provoked strong opinions, and it is my responsibility to minimise any distraction to the unity we are seeking within the club.
Although we have decided that Mason will seek to rebuild his career away from Manchester United, that does not signal the end of this matter. The club will continue to offer its support both to the alleged victim and Mason to help them rebuild and move forward positively with their lives.
Thank you for your continued support,
Richard Arnold
Chief Executive Officer
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Stick that in the OP
posted on 21/8/23
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 seconds ago
I presume that though he threatened rape, he didn't actually rape her.
It's the only conclusion I can come to, but am happy to admit I'm wrong if it is so.
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It is a good start! You have waffled a lot without knowing the full facts at hand.
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You mean I've spoken about it.
You have waffled, on which there is general agreement
posted on 21/8/23
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 7 minutes ago
This statement is not exactly painting the club in a good light either, why are you letting go of a player if they didn’t commit a crime according to them?
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Because if they had. The online mob would never have allowed him continue.
In the light of everything it best he leaves.
posted on 21/8/23
Well, that’s that crisis over and done with. I wonder what crisis will hit United next.
posted on 21/8/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Also don't see who signs him without him explicitly explaining the audio and pictures to the public.
His career at the top level in English football rests on him being able to do so.
A Prince Andrew style interview in which he has to come out the other side having given a plausible explanation to questions and follow ups.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
that's gonna be an awkward episode of the overlap
posted on 21/8/23
Club seem pretty adamant then he didn't rape her. Not that makes his other behaviour acceptable of course. It most certainly doesn't.
He will end up in Greece or Turkey I reckon.
posted on 21/8/23
So we can add this backtrack of a decision to the Arnautovic backtrack, and the Super League backtrack by the club.
Our owners really are fckin useless at gauging these things from the off aren't they?
posted on 21/8/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 10 seconds ago
Also don't see who signs him without him explicitly explaining the audio and pictures to the public.
His career at the top level in English football rests on him being able to do so.
A Prince Andrew style interview in which he has to come out the other side having given a plausible explanation to questions and follow ups.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He could try going down the mental health route. It's the last line of defence.
posted on 21/8/23
The statement from the club helps his chances of finding a new club ten fold
posted on 21/8/23
comment by Ronaldo McDonaldo 2 (U8472)
posted 21 seconds ago
Well, that’s that crisis over and done with. I wonder what crisis will hit United next.
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A martial injury?
posted on 21/8/23
comment by Ronaldo McDonaldo 2 (U8472)
posted 51 seconds ago
Well, that’s that crisis over and done with. I wonder what crisis will hit United next.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Antony up next.
posted on 21/8/23
comment by Ronaldo McDonaldo 2 (U8472)
posted 1 minute ago
Well, that’s that crisis over and done with. I wonder what crisis will hit United next.
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Dunno, but Antony just handed me a pint and said, "Hold this, mate."
posted on 21/8/23
Several members of parliament criticised the proposed return of Greenwood, as did Women’s Aid, a charity which supports women and children. The club had not engaged with charities specialising in abuse against women to help inform their internal process. [@AdamCrafton_]
Shambles
posted on 21/8/23
He must have been paid off by the club as well
posted on 21/8/23
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 0 seconds ago
Several members of parliament criticised the proposed return of Greenwood, as did Women’s Aid, a charity which supports women and children. The club had not engaged with charities specialising in abuse against women to help inform their internal process. [@AdamCrafton_]
Shambles
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It's absolutely none of their business
posted on 21/8/23
comment by user number one (U23061)
posted 17 minutes ago
The fact that they have stated he didn't commit the crimes he was arrested for is huge. They must be absolutely certain to say that.
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didnt commit? or just didnt get punished (didn't his partner drop the charges etc)
posted on 21/8/23
I suspect the club statement has been written in mutual agreement with the player's lawyers. A kind of we won't contest you letting him go but don't paint him in a bad light kind of thing.
posted on 21/8/23
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
So we can add this backtrack of a decision to the Arnautovic backtrack, and the Super League backtrack by the club.
Our owners really are fckin useless at gauging these things from the off aren't they?
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Not sure how much the owners were involved tbf. I'm sure they have had discussions but they have their new stooge Arnold to do it for them.
posted on 21/8/23
The right decision in the end, finally, but an absolute shiiiitshow by those at the top up to now.
posted on 21/8/23
greenwood lying about being cleared of all charges
posted on 21/8/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by user number one (U23061)
posted 17 minutes ago
The fact that they have stated he didn't commit the crimes he was arrested for is huge. They must be absolutely certain to say that.
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didnt commit? or just didnt get punished (didn't his partner drop the charges etc)
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Read the statement
posted on 21/8/23
comment by Ronaldo McDonaldo 2 (U8472)
posted 50 seconds ago
Well, that’s that crisis over and done with. I wonder what crisis will hit United next.
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My money is on your brand new keeper raiding his wife's "medicine cabinet" again the next time he comes down with a headache.
posted on 21/8/23
Least the Qataris didn't have to deal with this decision. Gives them a clean slate if they takeover
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