comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
Did they rescind Varpool`s penalty that they should not have been gifted also, and what about Romero being scythed down by the Penited defender, can we have a retrospective penalty next time we play.
It is safe to say the red shirt bias is already in full swing, which is no great surprise.
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Penited, who weren’t awarded a nailed on pen at the lane
Thought this one through then eh?
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 42 seconds ago
Sorry should’ve clarified that if you win the challenge you keep it, if you don’t you lose it.
There are plenty of monitors on the benches these days and there are folks upstairs with a different angle.
Just give them a period of time to make the challenge to the fourth official.
Not a perfect idea I accept but we clearly cannot execute VAR properly.
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Surely, though, it would still be VAR making the call - or the ref who made the original call?
You basically want VAR to review everything to potentially just one call per side, and then ignore all errors after that? Seems a step very much in the wrong direction, and very difficult to implement.
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There really isn’t a direct model to copy I can think of
NFL all challenges and scoring plays are reviewed by a HQ team
NBA is all the officials huddle by a monitor
MLB is like the NFL
Maybe keep VAR but the challenge automatically forced the match official to come to the monitor and actually review his decision to see if he did make a mistake rather than it being never overturned by his buddy on VAR
So if a team has exhausted their call(s) and then the ref rules out a goal that was a yard across the line, or some other grievous and blatant error occurs, VAR can't do fack all about it because the aggrieved team already exausted all their call(s)? That's worse than anything we have right now, certainly wouldn't improve things.
Terrible terrible idea. I don't think you've thought this through.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
So if a team has exhausted their call(s) and then the ref rules out a goal that was a yard across the line, or some other grievous and blatant error occurs, VAR can't do fack all about it because the aggrieved team already exausted all their call(s)? That's worse than anything we have right now, certainly wouldn't improve things.
Terrible terrible idea. I don't think you've thought this through.
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Literally said I’d keep VAR for goalline and offside decisions
You really thought your reply through didn’t you
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 23 seconds ago
They can rescind a dodgy Varpool red card but can`t retrospectively ban Diogo Jota for kung foo kicking Oliver Skipp in the head,
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Suck it up you bitter fool
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Both were red cards for me, although the Jota one was a definite.
Bitter Billy however would do well to understand they haven't given retrospective punishments in this regard since the implementation of VAR, only removal of red cards.
Skipp shouldnt have been on the pitch so itd been super harsh on Jota, if the officials did their job in the first place he wouldn't have been able to kick Skipp in the head.
As for the OP, gz on being the first and only person i've seen say MacAllister Red should have stood
Shock horror...M utd fan thinks red card for liverpool player should have stood
Wonder why they didn’t apologise to Bournemouth for the penalty
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wonder why they didn’t apologise to Bournemouth for the penalty
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Probably because it was a 100% foul in the box....maybe apologise for the over top reaction from Szlob I guess
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
Wonder why they didn’t apologise to Bournemouth for the penalty
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Probably because technically it wasn’t an error.
A lot of people swinging away blindly tonight.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
Wonder why they didn’t apologise to Bournemouth for the penalty
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Probably because it wasn't an error but a subjective decision.
Casemiro would have stood but as it is a Liverpool player they get away with it.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 1 minute ago
Casemiro would have stood but as it is a Liverpool player they get away with it.
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Have you any xG stats to back that up?
https://twitter.com/TheClubLiveTw/status/1692945740165960045/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1692945740165960045¤tTweetUser=TheClubLiveTw
You know when Chelsea and Man City fans think it is a clear pen and the Man Utd fan knows it won’t be given as he knows how refs think against Man Utd.
Hafi you've malfunctioned again.
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
So if a team has exhausted their call(s) and then the ref rules out a goal that was a yard across the line, or some other grievous and blatant error occurs, VAR can't do fack all about it because the aggrieved team already exausted all their call(s)? That's worse than anything we have right now, certainly wouldn't improve things.
Terrible terrible idea. I don't think you've thought this through.
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Literally said I’d keep VAR for goalline and offside decisions
You really thought your reply through didn’t you
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I did because my reply included "or some other grievous and blatant error occurs".
Learn to read.
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
People asked for referees to be accountable. It's a step in the right direction that they've been made accountable two weekends in a row after mistakes.
I think the United/Spurs handball was a penalty myself also but handballs are so subjective now with the wording, they're not going to open that can of worms. To be fair handballs will always have a massive amount of subjectivity as you can't give handballs for everything.
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The pressure put on the refs seem to have the opposite effect, VAR is scared to overturn on field, on field is hoping for a safety blanket
I’d like to scrap VAR aside from offside goal line stuff.
Give each coach one challenge a half, if he calls it all the officials huddle, watch the TV reach a conclusion.
If the manager throws his challenge away on something nonsensical then he’s held accountable when he can’t use it later in the game when it would’ve been useful.
Sorta hybrid model between US sports and Cricket which employ technology excellently
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Yeah this one challenge thing is ridiculous in my opinion. You can have three decisions go against you in a game and you can only challenge the first one. VAR is fine. They need further training and experience and better, an independent group of referees at Stockley Park, whereby they don't have pressures of leasing the PGMOL and their mates.
Removal of 'clear and obvious' would also be a good step as it doesn't do what it was designed for, not having two referees with different opinions debating a decision. Instead it means decisions which aren't shocking decisions remain, with them hiding behind 'clear and obvious'. If the VAR thinks a subjective call is wrong, he asks the referee to look at the monitor and the match referee being the ultimate authority on the pitch makes his decision after viewing the replay. If VAR thinks it's a complete mistake, he tells him to reverse it. It's really simple.
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One challenge, but you gain an additional challenge if the decision is overturned would solve your problem.
Just don’t use it frivolously.
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jü... (U3979)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
People asked for referees to be accountable. It's a step in the right direction that they've been made accountable two weekends in a row after mistakes.
I think the United/Spurs handball was a penalty myself also but handballs are so subjective now with the wording, they're not going to open that can of worms. To be fair handballs will always have a massive amount of subjectivity as you can't give handballs for everything.
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The pressure put on the refs seem to have the opposite effect, VAR is scared to overturn on field, on field is hoping for a safety blanket
I’d like to scrap VAR aside from offside goal line stuff.
Give each coach one challenge a half, if he calls it all the officials huddle, watch the TV reach a conclusion.
If the manager throws his challenge away on something nonsensical then he’s held accountable when he can’t use it later in the game when it would’ve been useful.
Sorta hybrid model between US sports and Cricket which employ technology excellently
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Yeah this one challenge thing is ridiculous in my opinion. You can have three decisions go against you in a game and you can only challenge the first one. VAR is fine. They need further training and experience and better, an independent group of referees at Stockley Park, whereby they don't have pressures of leasing the PGMOL and their mates.
Removal of 'clear and obvious' would also be a good step as it doesn't do what it was designed for, not having two referees with different opinions debating a decision. Instead it means decisions which aren't shocking decisions remain, with them hiding behind 'clear and obvious'. If the VAR thinks a subjective call is wrong, he asks the referee to look at the monitor and the match referee being the ultimate authority on the pitch makes his decision after viewing the replay. If VAR thinks it's a complete mistake, he tells him to reverse it. It's really simple.
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One challenge, but you gain an additional challenge if the decision is overturned would solve your problem.
Just don’t use it frivolously.
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No it wouldn't solve it at all. If you get one wrong and then two errors occur against you, you can't do anything about it.
Simply have a set number of 'challenges' doesn't work and is completely pointless anyhow. The tech is there so get it right no matter how many times an error occurs. No reason to limit how many times you get it right.
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jü... (U3979)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
People asked for referees to be accountable. It's a step in the right direction that they've been made accountable two weekends in a row after mistakes.
I think the United/Spurs handball was a penalty myself also but handballs are so subjective now with the wording, they're not going to open that can of worms. To be fair handballs will always have a massive amount of subjectivity as you can't give handballs for everything.
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The pressure put on the refs seem to have the opposite effect, VAR is scared to overturn on field, on field is hoping for a safety blanket
I’d like to scrap VAR aside from offside goal line stuff.
Give each coach one challenge a half, if he calls it all the officials huddle, watch the TV reach a conclusion.
If the manager throws his challenge away on something nonsensical then he’s held accountable when he can’t use it later in the game when it would’ve been useful.
Sorta hybrid model between US sports and Cricket which employ technology excellently
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Yeah this one challenge thing is ridiculous in my opinion. You can have three decisions go against you in a game and you can only challenge the first one. VAR is fine. They need further training and experience and better, an independent group of referees at Stockley Park, whereby they don't have pressures of leasing the PGMOL and their mates.
Removal of 'clear and obvious' would also be a good step as it doesn't do what it was designed for, not having two referees with different opinions debating a decision. Instead it means decisions which aren't shocking decisions remain, with them hiding behind 'clear and obvious'. If the VAR thinks a subjective call is wrong, he asks the referee to look at the monitor and the match referee being the ultimate authority on the pitch makes his decision after viewing the replay. If VAR thinks it's a complete mistake, he tells him to reverse it. It's really simple.
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One challenge, but you gain an additional challenge if the decision is overturned would solve your problem.
Just don’t use it frivolously.
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So, for example, Liverpool used their challenge on the MacAllister red. VAR or on-field ref says it is still a red. Liverpool lose the challenge, MacAllister is wrongly sent off and any further ref errors cannot be challenged?
Rather than every applicable incident is reviewed as it is now?
What this "one challenge" system does is punish teams for bad refs even more than the current way of doing things. Really don't see any benefit in it at all.
Work on getting the standards higher, not on making things worse!
I'd like to see them have pundits/commentators from broadcasters in the VAR room assisting, then they can talk about it after on the show and explain some of the decisions.
Even if its just to listen in. infact we should all be able to hear. Pretty sure last rugby game i watched the ref watched it on the big screen in the stadium and he was mic'd up and he rightly basically told the VAR they must be smoking crack because he doesnt see what VAR was telling him they saw It was awesome. Sort of stuff that earns respect doesnt just demand it cos theyre refs, don't seem to recall them having issues with rugby players surrounding em and all the others bs we see in Footy either.
Webb should send our refs to train with rugby refs, i know its different sport/rules etc but i reckon it'd be an eye opener none the less.
Warnock said it right though clear and obvious has to go out the window, right and wrong has to come in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P4PpzWUlKQ
if they can't get it right between 2 of em on VAR get 3 of em in VAR go with majority vote. If theyre still getting it wrong god help em
I get the don't want to re ref games slow games down etc but nobody would care if the Mac10 reds overturned, probably wouldnt even care if the Szoboszlai pens overturned so long as they say look we feel hes gone down too easy and they were consistent with it. I don't think it slows down play anyway as they often stop the game to look at it anyway.
That was never a red card in a million years, if that’s against United you’d be crying about it.
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
They can rescind a dodgy Varpool red card but can`t retrospectively ban Diogo Jota for kung foo kicking Oliver Skipp in the head,
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You’ve got real problems you, you’re auld girl must have been rodgered by a returning coach of Liverpool fans!
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Hafi you've malfunctioned again.
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posted on 22/8/23
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
Did they rescind Varpool`s penalty that they should not have been gifted also, and what about Romero being scythed down by the Penited defender, can we have a retrospective penalty next time we play.
It is safe to say the red shirt bias is already in full swing, which is no great surprise.
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Penited, who weren’t awarded a nailed on pen at the lane
Thought this one through then eh?
posted on 22/8/23
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 42 seconds ago
Sorry should’ve clarified that if you win the challenge you keep it, if you don’t you lose it.
There are plenty of monitors on the benches these days and there are folks upstairs with a different angle.
Just give them a period of time to make the challenge to the fourth official.
Not a perfect idea I accept but we clearly cannot execute VAR properly.
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Surely, though, it would still be VAR making the call - or the ref who made the original call?
You basically want VAR to review everything to potentially just one call per side, and then ignore all errors after that? Seems a step very much in the wrong direction, and very difficult to implement.
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There really isn’t a direct model to copy I can think of
NFL all challenges and scoring plays are reviewed by a HQ team
NBA is all the officials huddle by a monitor
MLB is like the NFL
Maybe keep VAR but the challenge automatically forced the match official to come to the monitor and actually review his decision to see if he did make a mistake rather than it being never overturned by his buddy on VAR
posted on 22/8/23
So if a team has exhausted their call(s) and then the ref rules out a goal that was a yard across the line, or some other grievous and blatant error occurs, VAR can't do fack all about it because the aggrieved team already exausted all their call(s)? That's worse than anything we have right now, certainly wouldn't improve things.
Terrible terrible idea. I don't think you've thought this through.
posted on 22/8/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
So if a team has exhausted their call(s) and then the ref rules out a goal that was a yard across the line, or some other grievous and blatant error occurs, VAR can't do fack all about it because the aggrieved team already exausted all their call(s)? That's worse than anything we have right now, certainly wouldn't improve things.
Terrible terrible idea. I don't think you've thought this through.
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Literally said I’d keep VAR for goalline and offside decisions
You really thought your reply through didn’t you
posted on 22/8/23
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 23 seconds ago
They can rescind a dodgy Varpool red card but can`t retrospectively ban Diogo Jota for kung foo kicking Oliver Skipp in the head,
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Suck it up you bitter fool
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Both were red cards for me, although the Jota one was a definite.
Bitter Billy however would do well to understand they haven't given retrospective punishments in this regard since the implementation of VAR, only removal of red cards.
posted on 22/8/23
Skipp shouldnt have been on the pitch so itd been super harsh on Jota, if the officials did their job in the first place he wouldn't have been able to kick Skipp in the head.
posted on 22/8/23
As for the OP, gz on being the first and only person i've seen say MacAllister Red should have stood
posted on 22/8/23
Shock horror...M utd fan thinks red card for liverpool player should have stood
posted on 22/8/23
Wonder why they didn’t apologise to Bournemouth for the penalty
posted on 22/8/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wonder why they didn’t apologise to Bournemouth for the penalty
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Probably because it was a 100% foul in the box....maybe apologise for the over top reaction from Szlob I guess
posted on 22/8/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
Wonder why they didn’t apologise to Bournemouth for the penalty
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Probably because technically it wasn’t an error.
A lot of people swinging away blindly tonight.
posted on 22/8/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
Wonder why they didn’t apologise to Bournemouth for the penalty
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Probably because it wasn't an error but a subjective decision.
posted on 22/8/23
Casemiro would have stood but as it is a Liverpool player they get away with it.
posted on 22/8/23
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 1 minute ago
Casemiro would have stood but as it is a Liverpool player they get away with it.
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Have you any xG stats to back that up?
posted on 22/8/23
https://twitter.com/TheClubLiveTw/status/1692945740165960045/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1692945740165960045¤tTweetUser=TheClubLiveTw
You know when Chelsea and Man City fans think it is a clear pen and the Man Utd fan knows it won’t be given as he knows how refs think against Man Utd.
posted on 22/8/23
Hafi you've malfunctioned again.
posted on 22/8/23
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
So if a team has exhausted their call(s) and then the ref rules out a goal that was a yard across the line, or some other grievous and blatant error occurs, VAR can't do fack all about it because the aggrieved team already exausted all their call(s)? That's worse than anything we have right now, certainly wouldn't improve things.
Terrible terrible idea. I don't think you've thought this through.
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Literally said I’d keep VAR for goalline and offside decisions
You really thought your reply through didn’t you
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I did because my reply included "or some other grievous and blatant error occurs".
Learn to read.
posted on 22/8/23
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
People asked for referees to be accountable. It's a step in the right direction that they've been made accountable two weekends in a row after mistakes.
I think the United/Spurs handball was a penalty myself also but handballs are so subjective now with the wording, they're not going to open that can of worms. To be fair handballs will always have a massive amount of subjectivity as you can't give handballs for everything.
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The pressure put on the refs seem to have the opposite effect, VAR is scared to overturn on field, on field is hoping for a safety blanket
I’d like to scrap VAR aside from offside goal line stuff.
Give each coach one challenge a half, if he calls it all the officials huddle, watch the TV reach a conclusion.
If the manager throws his challenge away on something nonsensical then he’s held accountable when he can’t use it later in the game when it would’ve been useful.
Sorta hybrid model between US sports and Cricket which employ technology excellently
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Yeah this one challenge thing is ridiculous in my opinion. You can have three decisions go against you in a game and you can only challenge the first one. VAR is fine. They need further training and experience and better, an independent group of referees at Stockley Park, whereby they don't have pressures of leasing the PGMOL and their mates.
Removal of 'clear and obvious' would also be a good step as it doesn't do what it was designed for, not having two referees with different opinions debating a decision. Instead it means decisions which aren't shocking decisions remain, with them hiding behind 'clear and obvious'. If the VAR thinks a subjective call is wrong, he asks the referee to look at the monitor and the match referee being the ultimate authority on the pitch makes his decision after viewing the replay. If VAR thinks it's a complete mistake, he tells him to reverse it. It's really simple.
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One challenge, but you gain an additional challenge if the decision is overturned would solve your problem.
Just don’t use it frivolously.
posted on 22/8/23
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jü... (U3979)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
People asked for referees to be accountable. It's a step in the right direction that they've been made accountable two weekends in a row after mistakes.
I think the United/Spurs handball was a penalty myself also but handballs are so subjective now with the wording, they're not going to open that can of worms. To be fair handballs will always have a massive amount of subjectivity as you can't give handballs for everything.
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The pressure put on the refs seem to have the opposite effect, VAR is scared to overturn on field, on field is hoping for a safety blanket
I’d like to scrap VAR aside from offside goal line stuff.
Give each coach one challenge a half, if he calls it all the officials huddle, watch the TV reach a conclusion.
If the manager throws his challenge away on something nonsensical then he’s held accountable when he can’t use it later in the game when it would’ve been useful.
Sorta hybrid model between US sports and Cricket which employ technology excellently
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Yeah this one challenge thing is ridiculous in my opinion. You can have three decisions go against you in a game and you can only challenge the first one. VAR is fine. They need further training and experience and better, an independent group of referees at Stockley Park, whereby they don't have pressures of leasing the PGMOL and their mates.
Removal of 'clear and obvious' would also be a good step as it doesn't do what it was designed for, not having two referees with different opinions debating a decision. Instead it means decisions which aren't shocking decisions remain, with them hiding behind 'clear and obvious'. If the VAR thinks a subjective call is wrong, he asks the referee to look at the monitor and the match referee being the ultimate authority on the pitch makes his decision after viewing the replay. If VAR thinks it's a complete mistake, he tells him to reverse it. It's really simple.
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One challenge, but you gain an additional challenge if the decision is overturned would solve your problem.
Just don’t use it frivolously.
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No it wouldn't solve it at all. If you get one wrong and then two errors occur against you, you can't do anything about it.
Simply have a set number of 'challenges' doesn't work and is completely pointless anyhow. The tech is there so get it right no matter how many times an error occurs. No reason to limit how many times you get it right.
posted on 22/8/23
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jü... (U3979)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
People asked for referees to be accountable. It's a step in the right direction that they've been made accountable two weekends in a row after mistakes.
I think the United/Spurs handball was a penalty myself also but handballs are so subjective now with the wording, they're not going to open that can of worms. To be fair handballs will always have a massive amount of subjectivity as you can't give handballs for everything.
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The pressure put on the refs seem to have the opposite effect, VAR is scared to overturn on field, on field is hoping for a safety blanket
I’d like to scrap VAR aside from offside goal line stuff.
Give each coach one challenge a half, if he calls it all the officials huddle, watch the TV reach a conclusion.
If the manager throws his challenge away on something nonsensical then he’s held accountable when he can’t use it later in the game when it would’ve been useful.
Sorta hybrid model between US sports and Cricket which employ technology excellently
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Yeah this one challenge thing is ridiculous in my opinion. You can have three decisions go against you in a game and you can only challenge the first one. VAR is fine. They need further training and experience and better, an independent group of referees at Stockley Park, whereby they don't have pressures of leasing the PGMOL and their mates.
Removal of 'clear and obvious' would also be a good step as it doesn't do what it was designed for, not having two referees with different opinions debating a decision. Instead it means decisions which aren't shocking decisions remain, with them hiding behind 'clear and obvious'. If the VAR thinks a subjective call is wrong, he asks the referee to look at the monitor and the match referee being the ultimate authority on the pitch makes his decision after viewing the replay. If VAR thinks it's a complete mistake, he tells him to reverse it. It's really simple.
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One challenge, but you gain an additional challenge if the decision is overturned would solve your problem.
Just don’t use it frivolously.
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So, for example, Liverpool used their challenge on the MacAllister red. VAR or on-field ref says it is still a red. Liverpool lose the challenge, MacAllister is wrongly sent off and any further ref errors cannot be challenged?
Rather than every applicable incident is reviewed as it is now?
What this "one challenge" system does is punish teams for bad refs even more than the current way of doing things. Really don't see any benefit in it at all.
Work on getting the standards higher, not on making things worse!
posted on 22/8/23
I'd like to see them have pundits/commentators from broadcasters in the VAR room assisting, then they can talk about it after on the show and explain some of the decisions.
Even if its just to listen in. infact we should all be able to hear. Pretty sure last rugby game i watched the ref watched it on the big screen in the stadium and he was mic'd up and he rightly basically told the VAR they must be smoking crack because he doesnt see what VAR was telling him they saw It was awesome. Sort of stuff that earns respect doesnt just demand it cos theyre refs, don't seem to recall them having issues with rugby players surrounding em and all the others bs we see in Footy either.
Webb should send our refs to train with rugby refs, i know its different sport/rules etc but i reckon it'd be an eye opener none the less.
posted on 22/8/23
Warnock said it right though clear and obvious has to go out the window, right and wrong has to come in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P4PpzWUlKQ
if they can't get it right between 2 of em on VAR get 3 of em in VAR go with majority vote. If theyre still getting it wrong god help em
I get the don't want to re ref games slow games down etc but nobody would care if the Mac10 reds overturned, probably wouldnt even care if the Szoboszlai pens overturned so long as they say look we feel hes gone down too easy and they were consistent with it. I don't think it slows down play anyway as they often stop the game to look at it anyway.
posted on 22/8/23
That was never a red card in a million years, if that’s against United you’d be crying about it.
posted on 22/8/23
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
They can rescind a dodgy Varpool red card but can`t retrospectively ban Diogo Jota for kung foo kicking Oliver Skipp in the head,
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You’ve got real problems you, you’re auld girl must have been rodgered by a returning coach of Liverpool fans!
posted on 22/8/23
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Hafi you've malfunctioned again.
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Hafi’s lost without DDG
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