...cont
And Steve Cooper, biting his tongue after the match: "I just think in games like these you need a bit, I don't even want to say good luck, to go your way, just things to go as they should. I don't want to get myself in trouble but the one thing I am surprised about is how quickly the decisions were made. On decisions that can define a game you tend to see referees take a bit more time particularly at the top level.
"There was a decision to make that is plain to see. I was just surprised how quickly... It was split-second stuff. You just need things to go your way. I am biting my tongue, to be honest, in terms of what I really feel. Of course, they were defining moments in the game."
Forget it, Steve. It's Old Trafford.
It's not just Old Trafford though, is it? It's virtually the entire football/media establishment. In almost all match reports, there is no mention of Forest's ten men pushing bravely for an equaliser which they almost got, nor are the controversial issues addressed, even though everybody in their hearts knows that weak referees bend to Old Trafford's will, and have done for years.
Still, Forest came away with a bucket load of pride. All the ManU fans were left with was an itchy conscience and some feeble protest about somebody they didn't like for reasons they couldn't remember.
We'll meet them again soon, anyway.
Forget it, ten Hats. It's the City Ground.
Forest came away with pride, but the OP is evidently too caught up in paranoid feelings of victimhood to have space left for self-respect.
If earlier interpretations of the off-side rule had been applied, the goal would not have stood
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In all seriousness though, I actually don't think you understand the rules of football well enough to be crying about corruption anyway...
The red card was incorrect - I back refs being a Sunday league one myself but quite simply he has given the wrong decision there it’s a yellow card all day long and the player walking on a tightrope that the next foul they are off.
The penalty I have much more sympathy for, I would have given it, there is contact and the defender makes it, late on Rashford - these things always look worse on a slow Mo but you have to consider the speed Rashford is moving at.
Penalty and yellow card would have been the correct calls. As for what the ref saw - no one knows other than the ref, if he says he saw it then how can we argue with that?
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
Tbf after what Mike Dean said last week, paranoia is kind of justified
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 58 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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This was the perfect example of why the way VAR is used needs to change.
The Ref should have it as a tool. He should be able to speak with his VAR colleague and say "i see that as a foul but i cannot tell if he's last man or not, so will come to the screen to judge" Failing that he should first speak with the Lino. I agree with the OP that the decisions were very quickly made and that with the tools available now (the Lino) he could have consulted first. That decision is never being over turned because this nonsense "high bar" BS which basically supports a refs poor on field decision unless it is truly awful.
Refs need help. Its there in VAR but their ability to use it is very limited and the current process reinforces the poor quality of refs.
As for the pen, standard exaggeration that gets a decision every time in the modern game....odd that much much harder contact such as Onana clattering 2 player after the ball had gone is ignored but a brush on the leg, albeit it at speed, is a clear pen.
Switch the situations around, and if a United player had committed the same foul and not been sent off, and a Forest player had been fouled in the box but no penalty was given you'd have the same poster writing "Chinatown, you get nothing at Old Trafford "
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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You should have gone to spec savers
and lay off the vodka
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
Switch the situations around, and if a United player had committed the same foul and not been sent off, and a Forest player had been fouled in the box but no penalty was given you'd have the same poster writing "Chinatown, you get nothing at Old Trafford"
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In fairness, remember the deafening outcry when we were denied a pen against Forest at OT last season?
https://twitter.com/JustAFootyFan_/status/1653871577652445184?s=20
Yeah, me neither.
Was it the flooking Guardian, I think it was 10 talking points from the Sat P.L fixtures was that Man U should consider buying Awoniyi, as presumable he is starting to loo far to good to be playing for Forest!
As for those three patseys on M of D
You can taste the bitterness in every sentence of guff
Must have a waterproof keyboard
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 58 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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This was the perfect example of why the way VAR is used needs to change.
The Ref should have it as a tool. He should be able to speak with his VAR colleague and say "i see that as a foul but i cannot tell if he's last man or not, so will come to the screen to judge" Failing that he should first speak with the Lino. I agree with the OP that the decisions were very quickly made and that with the tools available now (the Lino) he could have consulted first. That decision is never being over turned because this nonsense "high bar" BS which basically supports a refs poor on field decision unless it is truly awful.
Refs need help. Its there in VAR but their ability to use it is very limited and the current process reinforces the poor quality of refs.
As for the pen, standard exaggeration that gets a decision every time in the modern game....odd that much much harder contact such as Onana clattering 2 player after the ball had gone is ignored but a brush on the leg, albeit it at speed, is a clear pen.
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The rules are incredibly difficult to interpret with Keepers - whether we like it or not. It’s just harder to make decisions in those circumstances.
A defender making contact with his leg to the leg of a forward moving at speed without the ball being played by the defender is 100 times easier to give - I honestly don’t see the fuss about the penalty, it gets given 8 times out of 10.
The red card was incorrect and I suspect that the ref will be getting a call about that decision - quite rightly. The claims of any sort of bias in this instance are nonsense, the ref has just got it wrong
Suck it up Forest fans.
The Red Card was a bit iffy but we had one the same last year on Casemiro.
The penalty was a penalty. You can always tell when there is little protest from the defending team.
The sending off for Calvin Bassey at Arsenal was how the rule should be applied correctly. He deliberately stopped Saka I think it was from potentially running in on goal but there was another defender slightly further back. The ref in that instance correctly gave a second yellow card rather than a straight red.
Again, I don’t think there is any sort of conspiracy just the ref got the red card for Forest wrong
comment by Red Forest Bear [More Salt On That?] (U6288)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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Seems a pretty fair analysis to me.
There's a different angle for the penalty decision here, would you have wanted it given for Forest?
https://twitter.com/Anshum1958/status/1696379806336893303?s=20
Devonshire, Striketeam:
It's inevitable there are teething troubles with VAR, as they try to get the right balance between accuracy of decisions and not interrupting the game too much. Fans and media were up in arms about too much intervention, not letting the game flow, etc. The 'only clear and obvious error' approach came as a result, and guess what: fans and media are once again up in arms. I think it's a good suggestion to give the ref the ability to speak directly with VAR as they do in cricket, etc. so they can double check something they weren't sure about ( "I'm sure it was a foul but was he the last man" etc).
Onana probably deserved to concede a penalty against Wolves but there has always been inconsistency in how incidents with goalkeepers are called: if an attacker breathes on a keeper, it's usually a foul; a keeper can clean someone out and get away with it; keepers usually get penalised when the contact prevents a shot, and what saved Onana was the fact that the ball had already gone so it didn't affect play. The authorities should have a proper discussion about these kinds of inconsistencies though and issue new guidance. Another thing I'd suggest is a penalty is a ridiculously severe penalty if a defender clips an attacker who is heading along the goal line towards the corner flag, but just inside the box.
Op written in bitterness and conspiracy
All man utd goals have to be from shots from outside the box for it to be legitimate and only penalty given is the one, our players are assaulted and have to be taken off in crutches. I get it
For you to even question the Casemiro goal, says all about your mindset
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Red Forest Bear [More Salt On That?] (U6288)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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and lay off the vodka
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Seems a pretty fair analysis to me.
There's a different angle for the penalty decision here, would you have wanted it given for Forest?
https://twitter.com/Anshum1958/status/1696379806336893303?s=20
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It's a pen all day...the red was harsh, but this I really dont see the uproar over.
Would genuinely like to see your question answered by any Forest fans here...if that was at the other end and it wasn't given, what would your thoughts be?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 22 minutes ago
Devonshire, Striketeam:
It's inevitable there are teething troubles with VAR, as they try to get the right balance between accuracy of decisions and not interrupting the game too much. Fans and media were up in arms about too much intervention, not letting the game flow, etc. The 'only clear and obvious error' approach came as a result, and guess what: fans and media are once again up in arms. I think it's a good suggestion to give the ref the ability to speak directly with VAR as they do in cricket, etc. so they can double check something they weren't sure about ( "I'm sure it was a foul but was he the last man" etc).
Onana probably deserved to concede a penalty against Wolves but there has always been inconsistency in how incidents with goalkeepers are called: if an attacker breathes on a keeper, it's usually a foul; a keeper can clean someone out and get away with it; keepers usually get penalised when the contact prevents a shot, and what saved Onana was the fact that the ball had already gone so it didn't affect play. The authorities should have a proper discussion about these kinds of inconsistencies though and issue new guidance. Another thing I'd suggest is a penalty is a ridiculously severe penalty if a defender clips an attacker who is heading along the goal line towards the corner flag, but just inside the box.
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Keepers just get given different rules, it’s odd. Pickford severely injured VVD yet It was not determined to be reckless and he only got a yellow for it.
It’s definitely an area PGMOL can improve upon
comment by Red Forest Bear [More Salt On That?] (U6288)
posted 48 minutes ago
Was it the flooking Guardian, I think it was 10 talking points from the Sat P.L fixtures was that Man U should consider buying Awoniyi, as presumable he is starting to loo far to good to be playing for Forest!
As for those three patseys on M of D
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That’s always the way with the media though - unless your Liverpool, United, City then all of your better players will be linked to elsewhere, even United get similar from Real Madrid who are about the only club in the world who are immune to it.
This is the Prem, Forest, Leeds, Sheff Weds are big big clubs in the Champ but not in the Prem - it’s just how it is
BTW, OP, would you care to comment on the rumours I've been hearing, that the film Chinatown especially resonates with you on account of the inัest subplot?
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Red Forest Bear [More Salt On That?] (U6288)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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and lay off the vodka
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Seems a pretty fair analysis to me.
There's a different angle for the penalty decision here, would you have wanted it given for Forest?
https://twitter.com/Anshum1958/status/1696379806336893303?s=20
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It's a pen all day...the red was harsh, but this I really dont see the uproar over.
Would genuinely like to see your question answered by any Forest fans here...if that was at the other end and it wasn't given, what would your thoughts be?
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If I was them I'd be more annoyed with my own team. United have looked very undercooked this season and having caught us cold to go two up I'd have been looking for them to give everything to stop us playing. Still, easier to blame officials and conspiracy theories innit?
comment by Afc1989 (U21076)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
Tbf after what Mike Dean said last week, paranoia is kind of justified
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Having said that, the Forest fan Matt from 606 at the weekend made SteveF sound sane
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posted on 29/8/23
...cont
And Steve Cooper, biting his tongue after the match: "I just think in games like these you need a bit, I don't even want to say good luck, to go your way, just things to go as they should. I don't want to get myself in trouble but the one thing I am surprised about is how quickly the decisions were made. On decisions that can define a game you tend to see referees take a bit more time particularly at the top level.
"There was a decision to make that is plain to see. I was just surprised how quickly... It was split-second stuff. You just need things to go your way. I am biting my tongue, to be honest, in terms of what I really feel. Of course, they were defining moments in the game."
Forget it, Steve. It's Old Trafford.
It's not just Old Trafford though, is it? It's virtually the entire football/media establishment. In almost all match reports, there is no mention of Forest's ten men pushing bravely for an equaliser which they almost got, nor are the controversial issues addressed, even though everybody in their hearts knows that weak referees bend to Old Trafford's will, and have done for years.
Still, Forest came away with a bucket load of pride. All the ManU fans were left with was an itchy conscience and some feeble protest about somebody they didn't like for reasons they couldn't remember.
We'll meet them again soon, anyway.
Forget it, ten Hats. It's the City Ground.
posted on 29/8/23
Forest came away with pride, but the OP is evidently too caught up in paranoid feelings of victimhood to have space left for self-respect.
posted on 29/8/23
Cry more
posted on 29/8/23
If earlier interpretations of the off-side rule had been applied, the goal would not have stood
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In all seriousness though, I actually don't think you understand the rules of football well enough to be crying about corruption anyway...
posted on 29/8/23
The red card was incorrect - I back refs being a Sunday league one myself but quite simply he has given the wrong decision there it’s a yellow card all day long and the player walking on a tightrope that the next foul they are off.
The penalty I have much more sympathy for, I would have given it, there is contact and the defender makes it, late on Rashford - these things always look worse on a slow Mo but you have to consider the speed Rashford is moving at.
Penalty and yellow card would have been the correct calls. As for what the ref saw - no one knows other than the ref, if he says he saw it then how can we argue with that?
posted on 29/8/23
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
posted on 29/8/23
Tbf after what Mike Dean said last week, paranoia is kind of justified
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 58 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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This was the perfect example of why the way VAR is used needs to change.
The Ref should have it as a tool. He should be able to speak with his VAR colleague and say "i see that as a foul but i cannot tell if he's last man or not, so will come to the screen to judge" Failing that he should first speak with the Lino. I agree with the OP that the decisions were very quickly made and that with the tools available now (the Lino) he could have consulted first. That decision is never being over turned because this nonsense "high bar" BS which basically supports a refs poor on field decision unless it is truly awful.
Refs need help. Its there in VAR but their ability to use it is very limited and the current process reinforces the poor quality of refs.
As for the pen, standard exaggeration that gets a decision every time in the modern game....odd that much much harder contact such as Onana clattering 2 player after the ball had gone is ignored but a brush on the leg, albeit it at speed, is a clear pen.
posted on 29/8/23
Switch the situations around, and if a United player had committed the same foul and not been sent off, and a Forest player had been fouled in the box but no penalty was given you'd have the same poster writing "Chinatown, you get nothing at Old Trafford "
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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You should have gone to spec savers
and lay off the vodka
posted on 29/8/23
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
Switch the situations around, and if a United player had committed the same foul and not been sent off, and a Forest player had been fouled in the box but no penalty was given you'd have the same poster writing "Chinatown, you get nothing at Old Trafford"
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In fairness, remember the deafening outcry when we were denied a pen against Forest at OT last season?
https://twitter.com/JustAFootyFan_/status/1653871577652445184?s=20
Yeah, me neither.
posted on 29/8/23
Was it the flooking Guardian, I think it was 10 talking points from the Sat P.L fixtures was that Man U should consider buying Awoniyi, as presumable he is starting to loo far to good to be playing for Forest!
As for those three patseys on M of D
posted on 29/8/23
You can taste the bitterness in every sentence of guff
Must have a waterproof keyboard
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 58 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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This was the perfect example of why the way VAR is used needs to change.
The Ref should have it as a tool. He should be able to speak with his VAR colleague and say "i see that as a foul but i cannot tell if he's last man or not, so will come to the screen to judge" Failing that he should first speak with the Lino. I agree with the OP that the decisions were very quickly made and that with the tools available now (the Lino) he could have consulted first. That decision is never being over turned because this nonsense "high bar" BS which basically supports a refs poor on field decision unless it is truly awful.
Refs need help. Its there in VAR but their ability to use it is very limited and the current process reinforces the poor quality of refs.
As for the pen, standard exaggeration that gets a decision every time in the modern game....odd that much much harder contact such as Onana clattering 2 player after the ball had gone is ignored but a brush on the leg, albeit it at speed, is a clear pen.
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The rules are incredibly difficult to interpret with Keepers - whether we like it or not. It’s just harder to make decisions in those circumstances.
A defender making contact with his leg to the leg of a forward moving at speed without the ball being played by the defender is 100 times easier to give - I honestly don’t see the fuss about the penalty, it gets given 8 times out of 10.
The red card was incorrect and I suspect that the ref will be getting a call about that decision - quite rightly. The claims of any sort of bias in this instance are nonsense, the ref has just got it wrong
posted on 29/8/23
Suck it up Forest fans.
The Red Card was a bit iffy but we had one the same last year on Casemiro.
The penalty was a penalty. You can always tell when there is little protest from the defending team.
posted on 29/8/23
The sending off for Calvin Bassey at Arsenal was how the rule should be applied correctly. He deliberately stopped Saka I think it was from potentially running in on goal but there was another defender slightly further back. The ref in that instance correctly gave a second yellow card rather than a straight red.
Again, I don’t think there is any sort of conspiracy just the ref got the red card for Forest wrong
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Red Forest Bear [More Salt On That?] (U6288)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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and lay off the vodka
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Seems a pretty fair analysis to me.
There's a different angle for the penalty decision here, would you have wanted it given for Forest?
https://twitter.com/Anshum1958/status/1696379806336893303?s=20
posted on 29/8/23
Devonshire, Striketeam:
It's inevitable there are teething troubles with VAR, as they try to get the right balance between accuracy of decisions and not interrupting the game too much. Fans and media were up in arms about too much intervention, not letting the game flow, etc. The 'only clear and obvious error' approach came as a result, and guess what: fans and media are once again up in arms. I think it's a good suggestion to give the ref the ability to speak directly with VAR as they do in cricket, etc. so they can double check something they weren't sure about ( "I'm sure it was a foul but was he the last man" etc).
Onana probably deserved to concede a penalty against Wolves but there has always been inconsistency in how incidents with goalkeepers are called: if an attacker breathes on a keeper, it's usually a foul; a keeper can clean someone out and get away with it; keepers usually get penalised when the contact prevents a shot, and what saved Onana was the fact that the ball had already gone so it didn't affect play. The authorities should have a proper discussion about these kinds of inconsistencies though and issue new guidance. Another thing I'd suggest is a penalty is a ridiculously severe penalty if a defender clips an attacker who is heading along the goal line towards the corner flag, but just inside the box.
posted on 29/8/23
Op written in bitterness and conspiracy
All man utd goals have to be from shots from outside the box for it to be legitimate and only penalty given is the one, our players are assaulted and have to be taken off in crutches. I get it
For you to even question the Casemiro goal, says all about your mindset
posted on 29/8/23
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Red Forest Bear [More Salt On That?] (U6288)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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and lay off the vodka
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Seems a pretty fair analysis to me.
There's a different angle for the penalty decision here, would you have wanted it given for Forest?
https://twitter.com/Anshum1958/status/1696379806336893303?s=20
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It's a pen all day...the red was harsh, but this I really dont see the uproar over.
Would genuinely like to see your question answered by any Forest fans here...if that was at the other end and it wasn't given, what would your thoughts be?
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 22 minutes ago
Devonshire, Striketeam:
It's inevitable there are teething troubles with VAR, as they try to get the right balance between accuracy of decisions and not interrupting the game too much. Fans and media were up in arms about too much intervention, not letting the game flow, etc. The 'only clear and obvious error' approach came as a result, and guess what: fans and media are once again up in arms. I think it's a good suggestion to give the ref the ability to speak directly with VAR as they do in cricket, etc. so they can double check something they weren't sure about ( "I'm sure it was a foul but was he the last man" etc).
Onana probably deserved to concede a penalty against Wolves but there has always been inconsistency in how incidents with goalkeepers are called: if an attacker breathes on a keeper, it's usually a foul; a keeper can clean someone out and get away with it; keepers usually get penalised when the contact prevents a shot, and what saved Onana was the fact that the ball had already gone so it didn't affect play. The authorities should have a proper discussion about these kinds of inconsistencies though and issue new guidance. Another thing I'd suggest is a penalty is a ridiculously severe penalty if a defender clips an attacker who is heading along the goal line towards the corner flag, but just inside the box.
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Keepers just get given different rules, it’s odd. Pickford severely injured VVD yet It was not determined to be reckless and he only got a yellow for it.
It’s definitely an area PGMOL can improve upon
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Red Forest Bear [More Salt On That?] (U6288)
posted 48 minutes ago
Was it the flooking Guardian, I think it was 10 talking points from the Sat P.L fixtures was that Man U should consider buying Awoniyi, as presumable he is starting to loo far to good to be playing for Forest!
As for those three patseys on M of D
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That’s always the way with the media though - unless your Liverpool, United, City then all of your better players will be linked to elsewhere, even United get similar from Real Madrid who are about the only club in the world who are immune to it.
This is the Prem, Forest, Leeds, Sheff Weds are big big clubs in the Champ but not in the Prem - it’s just how it is
posted on 29/8/23
BTW, OP, would you care to comment on the rumours I've been hearing, that the film Chinatown especially resonates with you on account of the inัest subplot?
posted on 29/8/23
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
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comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
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comment by Red Forest Bear [More Salt On That?] (U6288)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Striketeam7 - yeah. I thought the red card was a bit harsh - definitely a professional foul but it wasn't clear to me that Bruno would have got to the ball first, and I'd be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team in that scenario. Because it was a subjective case of interpreting that, it wasn't a 'clear and obvious error' that VAR would send the ref to the screen to review, but I thought it was harsh, and maybe a yellow card 7 times out of 10.
The penalty though I thought was pretty clear.
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You should have gone to spec savers
and lay off the vodka
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Seems a pretty fair analysis to me.
There's a different angle for the penalty decision here, would you have wanted it given for Forest?
https://twitter.com/Anshum1958/status/1696379806336893303?s=20
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It's a pen all day...the red was harsh, but this I really dont see the uproar over.
Would genuinely like to see your question answered by any Forest fans here...if that was at the other end and it wasn't given, what would your thoughts be?
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If I was them I'd be more annoyed with my own team. United have looked very undercooked this season and having caught us cold to go two up I'd have been looking for them to give everything to stop us playing. Still, easier to blame officials and conspiracy theories innit?
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Afc1989 (U21076)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
Tbf after what Mike Dean said last week, paranoia is kind of justified
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Having said that, the Forest fan Matt from 606 at the weekend made SteveF sound sane
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