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posted on 5/9/23

comment by Uncle Tom (U1899)
posted 5 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 39 minutes ago
I was never convinced by Warne from the off. Three promotions good, three relegations bad. Even during our unbeaten run last season most of the good results were against poor quality teams. Beating Bolton at home was the only tough game where we came out on top.

I thought Rosenoir was harshly treated by Clowes, The playing style was better and for most of Rosenoir's short rein, Didzy was injured. We also played three of the eventual top 6 in that time, winning two and losing one.

I am not calling for Warne to be sacked yet, but I have consistently stated that Warne talks a far better game than his teams play. Something for which I have received criticism from others on this site. If they only understood that I am always right they could have avoided the face omlette.
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Wish we could sack you, you whinger
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Why the outrage, UT ?
I find that a perfectly valid comment, which adds to the balance of this thread.
Apart from the final sentence obvs, which is risable

posted on 5/9/23

Wildsmith red overturned on appeal

posted on 5/9/23

Spart has said more or less the same as me, except he writes it better. I bet he went to a Grammar school.

posted on 5/9/23

comment by FinlandRam (U3621)
posted 30 minutes ago
Wildsmith red overturned on appeal
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Quite right too, the ref should be sacked.

posted on 5/9/23

So far it seems that no-one on this thread wants PW to be sacked (yet.) As I've already said it's just not going to happen as the total cost would wreck our budget. If he and his staff were to leave then who is there out there to replace him/them? To poach a manager from elsewhere would cost and is therefore out. Who is freely available? Two Browns and one Moore come to mind but would any of them be better than PW?

On different issues I agree that Hourihane is limited but his place seems guaranteed as captain. (I wonder who PW would have appointed if he had chosen the skipper himself.) Wildsmith has been vindicated but apart from not now facing a one game ban what good does it do us? He has already missed half a game and we are down by one and maybe three points. That ref was shocking but I've no doubt nothing will be done about it.

posted on 5/9/23

I don't think Wildsmith's sending off altered the outcome of the game. I think we would have lost anyway.

posted on 5/9/23

We'll never know but there was also the denied penalty when Bradley was hauled to the deck.

Re LR he certainly had the makings of a good manager but often he was unable (or the squad seemed unable) to get goals and therefore wins and much the same pattern followed with Hull last season.

posted on 6/9/23

comment by 🏁 AnglianRam 🏁 (U17428)
posted 14 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Uncle Tom (U1899)
posted 5 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 39 minutes ago
I was never convinced by Warne from the off. Three promotions good, three relegations bad. Even during our unbeaten run last season most of the good results were against poor quality teams. Beating Bolton at home was the only tough game where we came out on top.

I thought Rosenoir was harshly treated by Clowes, The playing style was better and for most of Rosenoir's short rein, Didzy was injured. We also played three of the eventual top 6 in that time, winning two and losing one.

I am not calling for Warne to be sacked yet, but I have consistently stated that Warne talks a far better game than his teams play. Something for which I have received criticism from others on this site. If they only understood that I am always right they could have avoided the face omlette.
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Wish we could sack you, you whinger
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Why the outrage, UT ?
I find that a perfectly valid comment, which adds to the balance of this thread.
Apart from the final sentence obvs, which is risable
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A bit fed up with all the carping and whinging going on about Warne and Collins and how much better Liam was than Warne, spart always complains about Collins, but he was signed by Liam as was Chester, who was out injured most of the time he was at Derby.
You'll notice that when Liam came looking for players, he didn't want any of the ones he signed, he went for Bird, I wonder why he didn't go for Chester who had been released or Collins who would he could have got for Nowt.
I think it won't belong before Liam gets found out, I never liked his style of play, when you spend the vast majority of time in your own off half playing sideways and backwards, it doesn't appeal to me.
But to each his own.

posted on 6/9/23

"Gerrit forrard!!" as my Grandad used to say

He was a Notts County fan though ...

posted on 6/9/23

My point was, not many players score
from their own half so why I spend so much time there

posted on 6/9/23

That'd be great if you could actually get hold of it in the Oppos half, UT.

posted on 6/9/23

spart says McGoldrick didn't play much under Liam, but he scored 39 goals for Derby County including three hat tricks, he had never scored one in all his career before then, that to me speaks volumes which style suited the attacking players more. It's strange Mcgoldrick never scored from our own half, i wonder why.

posted on 6/9/23

comment by 🏁 AnglianRam 🏁 (U17428)
posted 38 minutes ago
That'd be great if you could actually get hold of it in the Oppos half, UT.
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Just as an aside Ang, Waghorn scored only the third hat trick of his career at Peterborough none of those was scored from our half as well, do you think that's strange?

posted on 6/9/23

comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
I was never convinced by Warne from the off. Three promotions good, three relegations bad. Even during our unbeaten run last season most of the good results were against poor quality teams. Beating Bolton at home was the only tough game where we came out on top.

I thought Rosenoir was harshly treated by Clowes, The playing style was better and for most of Rosenoir's short rein, Didzy was injured. We also played three of the eventual top 6 in that time, winning two and losing one.

I am not calling for Warne to be sacked yet, but I have consistently stated that Warne talks a far better game than his teams play. Something for which I have received criticism from others on this site. If they only understood that I am always right they could have avoided the face omlette.
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Always right except for when you literally call out the wrong player for making a mistake that leads to a goal.

And when you are spelling omelette (despite the spell checker).

posted on 6/9/23

comment by Uncle Tom (U1899)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by 🏁 AnglianRam 🏁 (U17428)
posted 14 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Uncle Tom (U1899)
posted 5 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 39 minutes ago
I was never convinced by Warne from the off. Three promotions good, three relegations bad. Even during our unbeaten run last season most of the good results were against poor quality teams. Beating Bolton at home was the only tough game where we came out on top.

I thought Rosenoir was harshly treated by Clowes, The playing style was better and for most of Rosenoir's short rein, Didzy was injured. We also played three of the eventual top 6 in that time, winning two and losing one.

I am not calling for Warne to be sacked yet, but I have consistently stated that Warne talks a far better game than his teams play. Something for which I have received criticism from others on this site. If they only understood that I am always right they could have avoided the face omlette.
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Wish we could sack you, you whinger
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Why the outrage, UT ?
I find that a perfectly valid comment, which adds to the balance of this thread.
Apart from the final sentence obvs, which is risable
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You'll notice that when Liam came looking for players, he didn't want any of the ones he signed, he went for Bird, I wonder why he didn't go for Chester who had been released or Collins who would he could have got for Nowt.
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I guess that could also be because those positions are already covered or because although LR signed them at Derby for a L1 club they might not be suitable for a Championship club ( and rightly so)

posted on 6/9/23

There aren't only two ways to play football, I. e. either booting it as far as possible into the opposition's half at the earliest opportunity or keeping the ball endlessly in our own half. There can be a balance. Nor does having reservations about Warne's style mean that the person thinks Rosenior was the Messiah. At the moment I'm a bit concerned so I'll give my opinion, it's what the site is for after all, but there isn't anything I can do about it so I'll support the team as usual. Hopefully it will all come right.

posted on 6/9/23

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 7 seconds ago
There aren't only two ways to play football, I. e. either booting it as far as possible into the opposition's half at the earliest opportunity or keeping the ball endlessly in our own half. There can be a balance. Nor does having reservations about Warne's style mean that the person thinks Rosenior was the Messiah. At the moment I'm a bit concerned so I'll give my opinion, it's what the site is for after all, but there isn't anything I can do about it so I'll support the team as usual. Hopefully it will all come right.
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posted on 6/9/23

comment by FinlandRam (U3621)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
"Gerrit forrard!!" as my Grandad used to say

He was a Notts County fan though ...
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So was my dad...

posted on 6/9/23

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 16 hours, 20 minutes ago
I don't think Wildsmith's sending off altered the outcome of the game. I think we would have lost anyway.
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That's something we'll never know for sure

posted on 6/9/23

comment by Uncle Tom (U1899)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by 🏁 AnglianRam 🏁 (U17428)
posted 14 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Uncle Tom (U1899)
posted 5 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 39 minutes ago
I was never convinced by Warne from the off. Three promotions good, three relegations bad. Even during our unbeaten run last season most of the good results were against poor quality teams. Beating Bolton at home was the only tough game where we came out on top.

I thought Rosenoir was harshly treated by Clowes, The playing style was better and for most of Rosenoir's short rein, Didzy was injured. We also played three of the eventual top 6 in that time, winning two and losing one.

I am not calling for Warne to be sacked yet, but I have consistently stated that Warne talks a far better game than his teams play. Something for which I have received criticism from others on this site. If they only understood that I am always right they could have avoided the face omlette.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wish we could sack you, you whinger
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why the outrage, UT ?
I find that a perfectly valid comment, which adds to the balance of this thread.
Apart from the final sentence obvs, which is risable
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A bit fed up with all the carping and whinging going on about Warne and Collins and how much better Liam was than Warne, spart always complains about Collins, but he was signed by Liam as was Chester, who was out injured most of the time he was at Derby.
You'll notice that when Liam came looking for players, he didn't want any of the ones he signed, he went for Bird, I wonder why he didn't go for Chester who had been released or Collins who would he could have got for Nowt.
I think it won't belong before Liam gets found out, I never liked his style of play, when you spend the vast majority of time in your own off half playing sideways and backwards, it doesn't appeal to me.
But to each his own.
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As for Collins, from what games I've seen (including highlights), Derby have rarely played to his strengths. He needs to be straight down the middle with crosses coming in from both wings. Which the usually do when he isn't on the pitch.

posted on 6/9/23

Collins has been around a long time and and scored goals wherever he has been. He has never been a prolific scorer but he does score goals regularly.

posted on 6/9/23

comment by Uncle Tom (U1899)
posted 8 minutes ago
Collins has been around a long time and and scored goals wherever he has been. He has never been a prolific scorer but he does score goals regularly.
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Agreed UT

posted on 6/9/23

"That something we'll never know for sure".

Thats why I used the word "think" Jorv. Just opinion.

posted on 6/9/23

I know you've all excitedly been waiting for my third installment so here it is....

Attack

Last season we didn't really get to see Osula and McGoldrick play together whilst LR was in charge. That combination could have been interesting with Osula's pace and McGoldrick's eye for goal. In the end McGoldrick took care of goal scoring duties alone but it does make you wonder the routine question in football, 'what if?'

Early season enthusiasm for Collins was built on the fact that PW will be designing his team to benefit our no.9 with Ward whipping beautiful crosses onto his head to tuck away like a L1 version of Shearer. The friendlies started off well and Collins got 2-3 goals ( recalling from memory)

In the division teams quickly cottoned on to stopping Ward will starve off our attack of any chances. This is where those that attend matches will need to chip in with their comments on whether or not there are alternative plans by Warne to help our starved attack.


The longer any player upfront is prevented from touching the ball they're likely to drop deeper. A fit Louie Sibley behind Collins in this formation could help, but the inconsistencies of both these players leaves a question mark?

The added issues of not getting the target man up front and links with Collins and Shrewsbury doesn't really support the notion this is Warne's main man. We now have an energetic striker from Arsenal who based on those who have seen him have said ' he looked decent', time will tell if he can provide a telling contribution.

I'd have liked to see Collins come good but the signs are he will be gone when possible. Latest rumours are we are linked to player once the window closes and the said player doesn't agree terms with a Championship club. Whether its a defender, midfield or attacker I do not know.

A Paul Warhurt would certainly come in useful right about now!

Overall score:

Defence - 5 Jury still out on the additions made and the formation to be played.Will it be a flat back four which seems to be the preferred choice or PW's insistence on a back five which will take time to gel?)


Midfield - 4 Nothing has improved in this area, no one has shone in this department as of yet. Bird's role has been changed by Warne,with him made to be more of an attacking midfielder in the no 8 mould which doesn't really suit him. Hopefully with Embleton taking over it offers a better balance but we do require one more solid addition in that area to see the midfield improve)

Attack - 6 - I wasn't for the return of Waghorn, I'd have much preferred a younger addition,on loan perhaps, but he's certainly proved a point early on. His happiness at returning to the club (with that beaming smile) means he does hold the club in high regard and is delighted to be back. If he takes over from where McGoldrick left I'd be delighted as I'm sure would all other DCFC fans. But he alone isn't going to be the promotion tonic.

Additional points: Washington has done reasonably well in his role and N M-L needs to play in his rightful position to get the best out of him.

There needs to be a mandate sent to Derby managers to play players in their rightful position, every season we seem to have one player.

Paul Warne - 6 Wasn't for him taking over and would have liked to see LR given more time, but there's absolutely no point in comparing where Hull are now under Rosenior. We're two clubs in very different trajectories, they're a much more stable club. Warne impressed earlier on, the sound bites, the early season run ( appreciate it was against lesser sides)

Given he's not had luck on his side AT ALL, McGoldrick leaving for his boyhood club, Roberts going, Knight pinched, Cashin and Bird's focus shaken and add to that the three injuries at RB and losing midfielders in a threadbare squad it's certainly a tough situation to juggle whilst keeping 30k+ fans happy.

Side note: Our style of play is never going to make fans happy. We've expected the olé style of football but need to get used to this if we're to achieve promotion. Rowett was hounded out because his style didn't suit but for now forget style let's be substance.

posted on 6/9/23

Rowett was not hounded out, he wanted to join Birmingham, hence the Snake.

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