The new ownership imo are running the club as investment banker / venture capitalist's.
Not as savvy footballing heads.
Look at Utd, the glazers use the club as a cash cow.
We arguably have gone backwards , let alone forwards.
Personally, I wouldn't say we are no further forward just yet Bov, far too early to say just yet after only 4 games in. Don't forget it was only a few weeks ago everyone was bouyant after pinning Liverpool in their own half for a large proportion of the game.
Our problem, in my opinion, is that the squad is far too young, youngest in the PL by far and they haven't had a chance to gel together yet. And that's exactly what I was expecting, lots of in consistency.
My biggest criticism over the recent incoming is the lack of experience to help the younger squad members.
I'm sure it will come together at some point but I wouldn't expect anything sensational this season - if it does, it's a bonus!
I think it was inevitable that once Roman went you would fall away somewhat, maybe not as far as pre Roman.
It won’t be trophies every other year like previous, you are back amongst us mere mortals, so it will be cyclical and boom and bust periods.
The strategy you have deployed id high risk high reward, no doubt about that. But I fancy you will go into the final few games of the season with CL qualification a covert real possibility, which is probably Clearlake’s goal - consistent CL qualification.
Poch took a while at Spurs, but once it clicked it went very well - no reason he won’t reparation that at Chelsea once you finally sign an actual striker
For me the strategy is flawed because it appears that the owners have flicked through a catalogue of top young talent and gone out and bought them all.
Bit like PSG buying Messi MBappe and Neymar...it might work well on FIFA 23 but in reality teams need balance of quality, experience, mentality and a whole host of other things to function successfully..
It is yet to come to pass but if you add the financial position the owners have put the club in, the pressure to succeed is great and this may make it almost impossible to be successful. Poch, for example has flourished at times when the pressure has been off, the expectations realistic and time given. I dont think he as that luxury this year. Top 6 wont really6 help them.
The other factor is the contracts and money spent has set up some of these young players until they are 30, that's a whole career. We know some footballers will just think they have made it and can take home their £10m a year win lose or draw, for the nest 8 years (Like NDomeble has at Spurs on a 6 year deal). This approach will mean some players will not reach their potential and then you are stuck with them, like you are with Lukaku.
Basically not enough footballing brains used in the whole strategy, too many corporate business minds who do not understand the subtleties of football management
It’s very early days
As Brummie said you’ve got a lot of young players and it will take time to jell
Poch is the right man to guide your youngsters
Getting your injured players back will help.
So how have we ended up no further forward?
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Because they are incompetent.
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Our problem, in my opinion, is that the squad is far too young, youngest in the PL by far and they haven't had a chance to gel together yet. And that's exactly what I was expecting, lots of in consistency.
My biggest criticism over the recent incoming is the lack of experience to help the younger squad members.
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Spot on. Inconsistency is to be expected right now, both collectively and on an individual level.
The good thing is that the manager has a proven track record nurturing youth, so from that point of view it seems you're in good hands.
A couple of seasoned, reliable over-30s would definitely be a bonus having lost Kanté and Azpi, but it's been a difficult market in that regard due to the initial Saudi Arabian feeding frenzy. Maybe next summer if they take the foot off the pedal a bit, but it's going to be hard to get that profile of player to with all that ridiculous money floating around.
On one side, i'm very critical of the board and think it has been very run and gun and senseless.
On the flip side.
Should have taken 9 points from liverpool and west ham and then be on 12 points. I know we didn't and it's all a bit moot but we were the better team in all those games.
just seems a bit of a stretch to blame the board's mistakes for us missing tap ins.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 42 minutes ago
On one side, i'm very critical of the board and think it has been very run and gun and senseless.
On the flip side.
Should have taken 9 points from liverpool and west ham and then be on 12 points. I know we didn't and it's all a bit moot but we were the better team in all those games.
just seems a bit of a stretch to blame the board's mistakes for us missing tap ins.
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Players will always miss chances. Top quality players will miss fewer.
Amongst the crazy kid in sweet shop spending, Chelsea are left with no proper striker. Such vast sums spent across the team including 100m on a DM but no Bona fedi goal scorer.
last season you were handicapped by this, 38 goals was it? and it still seems to be lacking now.
This has the potential to undermine all the other investment in the team which has brought in some real quality that could last you for years.
So not sure the 'dropped points' are totally unrelated to the owners spending, it is perhaps one of the most obvious examples of how their approach is potentially flawed.
you say that devon but we've spent money on "top strikers" and we've spent middling amounts also.
jackson looks the real deal, it doesn't seem to matter who we play we miss gilt edge changes.
Like I say I dont agree with it at all. Especially the first season, I would have been happy if they bought 1 or 2 in and then relaxed, let the post roman dust settle and then that's that.
However we have dominated the games we've played this season. Our luck just seems to be ridiculously poor atm.
It’s not luck, it’s poor squad building that has led to Chelsea spending a billion but still lacking the quality to score goals.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s not luck, it’s poor squad building that has led to Chelsea spending a billion but still lacking the quality to score goals.
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Luck most definitely plays a part, nkunku, chukwumeka (scored v west ham) out injured, madueke just come back, we will see, every striker I know misses chances.
even v west ham, nearly a red for their keeper and another pen but jackson was 0.0000001mm offside.
Fine margins
But it’s not luck that you’ve assembled a side that lacks quality goalscorers, it’s poor squad building.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But it’s not luck that you’ve assembled a side that lacks quality goalscorers, it’s poor squad building.
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how do you know we lack goalscorers? Still too early to say. We weren't compensating for nkunku being out injured for 7 months and chukwumeka (started both the first games) now being out for a long period too.
It's such fine margins, if someone starts banging them in, say nkunku scores v liverpool, then we go and beat west ham, all of a sudden others start chipping in (sterling already scored a few this year).
it's not rocket science.
We could sign haaland and mbappe, if they both get injured for season then it helps no one
Also remember they spent £100m on lukaku, a proven goalscorer, just for him to sh!t the bed.
So to say it's poor squad building is just naive and ignorant, and i'm never one to defend the way these owners have carried out their business so far.
We can only go on their history of not scoring goals.
Bit different having Mbappe injured and Chuckwemeka.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 36 minutes ago
Bit different having Mbappe injured and Chuckwemeka.
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Not in the sense that neither would be able to contribute (regardless of potential impact) and would therefore be redundant, like N'Kunku whose injury is one of our go-to excuses for potentially messing up the season.
Still early days though, not fair to rate our rag-tag collection of foetuses until they at least remember each other's names.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
you say that devon but we've spent money on "top strikers" and we've spent middling amounts also.
jackson looks the real deal, it doesn't seem to matter who we play we miss gilt edge changes.
Like I say I dont agree with it at all. Especially the first season, I would have been happy if they bought 1 or 2 in and then relaxed, let the post roman dust settle and then that's that.
However we have dominated the games we've played this season. Our luck just seems to be ridiculously poor atm.
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No sure that anyone can judge Jackson as the real deal. Too early for that.
Overall i think that the Cheslea squad contains so great players and potential and there is an awful lot to work with.
My only caveat is that its kinda been built in a way (financially) that demands instant success. I may be wrong but 6th place this season would be decent considering the rebuild, new coach, 12th last year etc etc but i am not sure that 6th will suffice.
Like I say, I don't support the way they've done it. I would have spent a lot less money.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Bit different having Mbappe injured and Chuckwemeka.
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not if theye both injured.
Nkunku had a goal or assist for every start last year. A huge miss.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But it’s not luck that you’ve assembled a side that lacks quality goalscorers, it’s poor squad building.
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how do you know we lack goalscorers? Still too early to say. We weren't compensating for nkunku being out injured for 7 months and chukwumeka (started both the first games) now being out for a long period too.
It's such fine margins, if someone starts banging them in, say nkunku scores v liverpool, then we go and beat west ham, all of a sudden others start chipping in (sterling already scored a few this year).
it's not rocket science.
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Ifs buts and maybes...when the reality is that none of that happened and you have 4 points, 3 of which from beating Luton (h) and youve had 1 away game in 4, which you lost, against 10 men.
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posted on 6/9/23
The new ownership imo are running the club as investment banker / venture capitalist's.
Not as savvy footballing heads.
Look at Utd, the glazers use the club as a cash cow.
posted on 6/9/23
We arguably have gone backwards , let alone forwards.
posted on 6/9/23
Personally, I wouldn't say we are no further forward just yet Bov, far too early to say just yet after only 4 games in. Don't forget it was only a few weeks ago everyone was bouyant after pinning Liverpool in their own half for a large proportion of the game.
Our problem, in my opinion, is that the squad is far too young, youngest in the PL by far and they haven't had a chance to gel together yet. And that's exactly what I was expecting, lots of in consistency.
My biggest criticism over the recent incoming is the lack of experience to help the younger squad members.
I'm sure it will come together at some point but I wouldn't expect anything sensational this season - if it does, it's a bonus!
posted on 6/9/23
I think it was inevitable that once Roman went you would fall away somewhat, maybe not as far as pre Roman.
It won’t be trophies every other year like previous, you are back amongst us mere mortals, so it will be cyclical and boom and bust periods.
The strategy you have deployed id high risk high reward, no doubt about that. But I fancy you will go into the final few games of the season with CL qualification a covert real possibility, which is probably Clearlake’s goal - consistent CL qualification.
Poch took a while at Spurs, but once it clicked it went very well - no reason he won’t reparation that at Chelsea once you finally sign an actual striker
posted on 6/9/23
For me the strategy is flawed because it appears that the owners have flicked through a catalogue of top young talent and gone out and bought them all.
Bit like PSG buying Messi MBappe and Neymar...it might work well on FIFA 23 but in reality teams need balance of quality, experience, mentality and a whole host of other things to function successfully..
It is yet to come to pass but if you add the financial position the owners have put the club in, the pressure to succeed is great and this may make it almost impossible to be successful. Poch, for example has flourished at times when the pressure has been off, the expectations realistic and time given. I dont think he as that luxury this year. Top 6 wont really6 help them.
The other factor is the contracts and money spent has set up some of these young players until they are 30, that's a whole career. We know some footballers will just think they have made it and can take home their £10m a year win lose or draw, for the nest 8 years (Like NDomeble has at Spurs on a 6 year deal). This approach will mean some players will not reach their potential and then you are stuck with them, like you are with Lukaku.
Basically not enough footballing brains used in the whole strategy, too many corporate business minds who do not understand the subtleties of football management
posted on 6/9/23
It’s very early days
As Brummie said you’ve got a lot of young players and it will take time to jell
Poch is the right man to guide your youngsters
Getting your injured players back will help.
posted on 6/9/23
So how have we ended up no further forward?
———
Because they are incompetent.
posted on 6/9/23
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Our problem, in my opinion, is that the squad is far too young, youngest in the PL by far and they haven't had a chance to gel together yet. And that's exactly what I was expecting, lots of in consistency.
My biggest criticism over the recent incoming is the lack of experience to help the younger squad members.
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Spot on. Inconsistency is to be expected right now, both collectively and on an individual level.
The good thing is that the manager has a proven track record nurturing youth, so from that point of view it seems you're in good hands.
A couple of seasoned, reliable over-30s would definitely be a bonus having lost Kanté and Azpi, but it's been a difficult market in that regard due to the initial Saudi Arabian feeding frenzy. Maybe next summer if they take the foot off the pedal a bit, but it's going to be hard to get that profile of player to with all that ridiculous money floating around.
posted on 7/9/23
On one side, i'm very critical of the board and think it has been very run and gun and senseless.
On the flip side.
Should have taken 9 points from liverpool and west ham and then be on 12 points. I know we didn't and it's all a bit moot but we were the better team in all those games.
just seems a bit of a stretch to blame the board's mistakes for us missing tap ins.
posted on 7/9/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 42 minutes ago
On one side, i'm very critical of the board and think it has been very run and gun and senseless.
On the flip side.
Should have taken 9 points from liverpool and west ham and then be on 12 points. I know we didn't and it's all a bit moot but we were the better team in all those games.
just seems a bit of a stretch to blame the board's mistakes for us missing tap ins.
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Players will always miss chances. Top quality players will miss fewer.
Amongst the crazy kid in sweet shop spending, Chelsea are left with no proper striker. Such vast sums spent across the team including 100m on a DM but no Bona fedi goal scorer.
last season you were handicapped by this, 38 goals was it? and it still seems to be lacking now.
This has the potential to undermine all the other investment in the team which has brought in some real quality that could last you for years.
So not sure the 'dropped points' are totally unrelated to the owners spending, it is perhaps one of the most obvious examples of how their approach is potentially flawed.
posted on 7/9/23
you say that devon but we've spent money on "top strikers" and we've spent middling amounts also.
jackson looks the real deal, it doesn't seem to matter who we play we miss gilt edge changes.
Like I say I dont agree with it at all. Especially the first season, I would have been happy if they bought 1 or 2 in and then relaxed, let the post roman dust settle and then that's that.
However we have dominated the games we've played this season. Our luck just seems to be ridiculously poor atm.
posted on 7/9/23
It’s not luck, it’s poor squad building that has led to Chelsea spending a billion but still lacking the quality to score goals.
posted on 7/9/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s not luck, it’s poor squad building that has led to Chelsea spending a billion but still lacking the quality to score goals.
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Luck most definitely plays a part, nkunku, chukwumeka (scored v west ham) out injured, madueke just come back, we will see, every striker I know misses chances.
posted on 7/9/23
even v west ham, nearly a red for their keeper and another pen but jackson was 0.0000001mm offside.
Fine margins
posted on 7/9/23
But it’s not luck that you’ve assembled a side that lacks quality goalscorers, it’s poor squad building.
posted on 7/9/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But it’s not luck that you’ve assembled a side that lacks quality goalscorers, it’s poor squad building.
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how do you know we lack goalscorers? Still too early to say. We weren't compensating for nkunku being out injured for 7 months and chukwumeka (started both the first games) now being out for a long period too.
It's such fine margins, if someone starts banging them in, say nkunku scores v liverpool, then we go and beat west ham, all of a sudden others start chipping in (sterling already scored a few this year).
it's not rocket science.
posted on 7/9/23
We could sign haaland and mbappe, if they both get injured for season then it helps no one
posted on 7/9/23
Also remember they spent £100m on lukaku, a proven goalscorer, just for him to sh!t the bed.
So to say it's poor squad building is just naive and ignorant, and i'm never one to defend the way these owners have carried out their business so far.
posted on 7/9/23
We can only go on their history of not scoring goals.
posted on 7/9/23
Bit different having Mbappe injured and Chuckwemeka.
posted on 7/9/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 36 minutes ago
Bit different having Mbappe injured and Chuckwemeka.
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Not in the sense that neither would be able to contribute (regardless of potential impact) and would therefore be redundant, like N'Kunku whose injury is one of our go-to excuses for potentially messing up the season.
Still early days though, not fair to rate our rag-tag collection of foetuses until they at least remember each other's names.
posted on 7/9/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
you say that devon but we've spent money on "top strikers" and we've spent middling amounts also.
jackson looks the real deal, it doesn't seem to matter who we play we miss gilt edge changes.
Like I say I dont agree with it at all. Especially the first season, I would have been happy if they bought 1 or 2 in and then relaxed, let the post roman dust settle and then that's that.
However we have dominated the games we've played this season. Our luck just seems to be ridiculously poor atm.
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No sure that anyone can judge Jackson as the real deal. Too early for that.
Overall i think that the Cheslea squad contains so great players and potential and there is an awful lot to work with.
My only caveat is that its kinda been built in a way (financially) that demands instant success. I may be wrong but 6th place this season would be decent considering the rebuild, new coach, 12th last year etc etc but i am not sure that 6th will suffice.
posted on 7/9/23
Like I say, I don't support the way they've done it. I would have spent a lot less money.
posted on 7/9/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Bit different having Mbappe injured and Chuckwemeka.
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not if theye both injured.
Nkunku had a goal or assist for every start last year. A huge miss.
posted on 7/9/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But it’s not luck that you’ve assembled a side that lacks quality goalscorers, it’s poor squad building.
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how do you know we lack goalscorers? Still too early to say. We weren't compensating for nkunku being out injured for 7 months and chukwumeka (started both the first games) now being out for a long period too.
It's such fine margins, if someone starts banging them in, say nkunku scores v liverpool, then we go and beat west ham, all of a sudden others start chipping in (sterling already scored a few this year).
it's not rocket science.
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Ifs buts and maybes...when the reality is that none of that happened and you have 4 points, 3 of which from beating Luton (h) and youve had 1 away game in 4, which you lost, against 10 men.
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