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comment by System-Addict ••• ••••• •• (U9239)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
In recent games I actually thought Rodgers was starting to get the balance right. But he seems hell bent on trying to prove that his ‘first stint’ was the benchmark (opposed to Ange); Turnbull instead of Iwata. Forrest instead of Yang.
I suspect the recent games have been influenced more by the senior players than Rogers… but they can’t make the subs?
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TBF BR did an invincible treble so he has some bragging rights.
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Thanks Brendan 😉
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 16 minutes ago
BTW, I’m at a loss as to the prudence of a business model with such a bloated, unbalanced squad as we have. We’re spvnking ridiculous wages every year to so many senior so-called “back up” players who aren’t remotely good enough … whilst at the same time blocking the pathway to first team action for promising youngsters. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and never has. Not saying either that we can afford 2 quality players for every position, or anything like that, but we just have way too much first team dung.
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But that is exactly the model. We bring a a number of “prospects” and we pay them fairly low wages. If any of them establish themselves they get a decent contract with a hike in wages and that in turn makes them more valuable in the market when they get sold.
The maths of that is clearly working as we can see from the balance sheets and cash in bank. And if they don’t make the grade they eventually move on and we often seem to get something for most of them.
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quite - does it matter if the dung is brought through the academy or bought in? Dung is dung.
Don't get hung up on the academy.
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But surely that also highlights a fundamental flaw in our model … or at least the player ID part of it currently. Yes, bulk buying relatively low cost players gives us a better chance of unearthing a few gems, who then tend to quickly move on for big money. However, the other side of that is inevitably being lumbered with a load of reasonably well paid duds who we struggle to move on … on top of nonsense Oirishy moves like James McCarthy which never made sense in anybody’s model. We’re not getting that hit rate right at the moment, as the shocking “quality” of yesterday’s bench clearly demonstrated. After Wed night’s gruelling effort, the only reason anybody would go with the same team yesterday was because the other options were pash.
Tilio BTW … is he still alive?
He's said Tilio isn't robust enough for the SPFL.
The McCarthy deal was odd, yes, especially the length of it. One the one hand, we were scrambling with the relatively late Ange appointment then getting enough players in the door to field a team so I can see why someone willing to come at all was an attractive proposition, especially as McKay was kind of thrown in the deep end.
Similarly, McCarthy might have been McKay's downfall? Not sure we ever found out really why he was dispatched so soon?
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 minutes ago
He's said Tilio isn't robust enough for the SPFL.
The McCarthy deal was odd, yes, especially the length of it. One the one hand, we were scrambling with the relatively late Ange appointment then getting enough players in the door to field a team so I can see why someone willing to come at all was an attractive proposition, especially as McKay was kind of thrown in the deep end.
Similarly, McCarthy might have been McKay's downfall? Not sure we ever found out really why he was dispatched so soon?
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Aye, over his 4 year contract the McCarthy deal must be due to cost us I’m guessing somewhere between £7-10m (suspect nearer the top end, maybe even higher?) … for 6 STARTS, I believe. Nice work if you can get it.
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 16 minutes ago
BTW, I’m at a loss as to the prudence of a business model with such a bloated, unbalanced squad as we have. We’re spvnking ridiculous wages every year to so many senior so-called “back up” players who aren’t remotely good enough … whilst at the same time blocking the pathway to first team action for promising youngsters. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and never has. Not saying either that we can afford 2 quality players for every position, or anything like that, but we just have way too much first team dung.
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But that is exactly the model. We bring a a number of “prospects” and we pay them fairly low wages. If any of them establish themselves they get a decent contract with a hike in wages and that in turn makes them more valuable in the market when they get sold.
The maths of that is clearly working as we can see from the balance sheets and cash in bank. And if they don’t make the grade they eventually move on and we often seem to get something for most of them.
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quite - does it matter if the dung is brought through the academy or bought in? Dung is dung.
Don't get hung up on the academy.
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But surely that also highlights a fundamental flaw in our model … or at least the player ID part of it currently. Yes, bulk buying relatively low cost players gives us a better chance of unearthing a few gems, who then tend to quickly move on for big money. However, the other side of that is inevitably being lumbered with a load of reasonably well paid duds who we struggle to move on … on top of nonsense Oirishy moves like James McCarthy which never made sense in anybody’s model. We’re not getting that hit rate right at the moment, as the shocking “quality” of yesterday’s bench clearly demonstrated. After Wed night’s gruelling effort, the only reason anybody would go with the same team yesterday was because the other options were pash.
Tilio BTW … is he still alive?
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Sorry but I don’t think anyone in any club or support could have anything but the highest admiration of our trading model. We absolutely milk that and do it incredibly well.
As for academies, I can’t think of anything much since the days of our own “Quality Street Kids” or Ferguson’s Man Utd sides who have had much come through in any quantity. No idea of the odds but coming through from that level is extremely rare.
Our model is superb. What we don’t do is take that additional (and easily affordable for us) step risk of buying in maybe 3 players in the £6-9m mark and really step up the standard and profile. Once in that bracket they usually tend to go for even higher values and the model can continue.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 16 minutes ago
BTW, I’m at a loss as to the prudence of a business model with such a bloated, unbalanced squad as we have. We’re spvnking ridiculous wages every year to so many senior so-called “back up” players who aren’t remotely good enough … whilst at the same time blocking the pathway to first team action for promising youngsters. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and never has. Not saying either that we can afford 2 quality players for every position, or anything like that, but we just have way too much first team dung.
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But that is exactly the model. We bring a a number of “prospects” and we pay them fairly low wages. If any of them establish themselves they get a decent contract with a hike in wages and that in turn makes them more valuable in the market when they get sold.
The maths of that is clearly working as we can see from the balance sheets and cash in bank. And if they don’t make the grade they eventually move on and we often seem to get something for most of them.
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quite - does it matter if the dung is brought through the academy or bought in? Dung is dung.
Don't get hung up on the academy.
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But surely that also highlights a fundamental flaw in our model … or at least the player ID part of it currently. Yes, bulk buying relatively low cost players gives us a better chance of unearthing a few gems, who then tend to quickly move on for big money. However, the other side of that is inevitably being lumbered with a load of reasonably well paid duds who we struggle to move on … on top of nonsense Oirishy moves like James McCarthy which never made sense in anybody’s model. We’re not getting that hit rate right at the moment, as the shocking “quality” of yesterday’s bench clearly demonstrated. After Wed night’s gruelling effort, the only reason anybody would go with the same team yesterday was because the other options were pash.
Tilio BTW … is he still alive?
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Sorry but I don’t think anyone in any club or support could have anything but the highest admiration of our trading model. We absolutely milk that and do it incredibly well.
As for academies, I can’t think of anything much since the days of our own “Quality Street Kids” or Ferguson’s Man Utd sides who have had much come through in any quantity. No idea of the odds but coming through from that level is extremely rare.
Our model is superb. What we don’t do is take that additional (and easily affordable for us) step risk of buying in maybe 3 players in the £6-9m mark and really step up the standard and profile. Once in that bracket they usually tend to go for even higher values and the model can continue.
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In Scotland we’re miles ahead of others at implementing the model. But you broaden that out to Europe, I’m not sure Celtic is who people look to as a case study of how to operate player trading model effectively,
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 16 minutes ago
BTW, I’m at a loss as to the prudence of a business model with such a bloated, unbalanced squad as we have. We’re spvnking ridiculous wages every year to so many senior so-called “back up” players who aren’t remotely good enough … whilst at the same time blocking the pathway to first team action for promising youngsters. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and never has. Not saying either that we can afford 2 quality players for every position, or anything like that, but we just have way too much first team dung.
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But that is exactly the model. We bring a a number of “prospects” and we pay them fairly low wages. If any of them establish themselves they get a decent contract with a hike in wages and that in turn makes them more valuable in the market when they get sold.
The maths of that is clearly working as we can see from the balance sheets and cash in bank. And if they don’t make the grade they eventually move on and we often seem to get something for most of them.
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quite - does it matter if the dung is brought through the academy or bought in? Dung is dung.
Don't get hung up on the academy.
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But surely that also highlights a fundamental flaw in our model … or at least the player ID part of it currently. Yes, bulk buying relatively low cost players gives us a better chance of unearthing a few gems, who then tend to quickly move on for big money. However, the other side of that is inevitably being lumbered with a load of reasonably well paid duds who we struggle to move on … on top of nonsense Oirishy moves like James McCarthy which never made sense in anybody’s model. We’re not getting that hit rate right at the moment, as the shocking “quality” of yesterday’s bench clearly demonstrated. After Wed night’s gruelling effort, the only reason anybody would go with the same team yesterday was because the other options were pash.
Tilio BTW … is he still alive?
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Sorry but I don’t think anyone in any club or support could have anything but the highest admiration of our trading model. We absolutely milk that and do it incredibly well.
As for academies, I can’t think of anything much since the days of our own “Quality Street Kids” or Ferguson’s Man Utd sides who have had much come through in any quantity. No idea of the odds but coming through from that level is extremely rare.
Our model is superb. What we don’t do is take that additional (and easily affordable for us) step risk of buying in maybe 3 players in the £6-9m mark and really step up the standard and profile. Once in that bracket they usually tend to go for even higher values and the model can continue.
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In Scotland we’re miles ahead of others at implementing the model. But you broaden that out to Europe, I’m not sure Celtic is who people look to as a case study of how to operate player trading model effectively,
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I wouldn’t deny that our model is serving us reasonably well financially. Just questioning if it’s really all that in terms of our overall squad quality and balance. Everyone, BR included, would say our first team squad’s too big. Yet within that bloated squad we’ve no acceptable back up, never mind competition, to Hart; Greg Taylor’s our best (only?) LB option; no genuine DM/midfield enforcer for bigger games; questionable quality/depth in wide areas, and only 1 striker worthy of the name. Apart from that, the model’s really working playing-wise.
BR has hinted that he’ll clear out a few ‘not good enoughs’ in January. I hope he does and buys one or two ‘oven ready’ players. 🍀👍
Brentford rumoured to be after MOR.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
He's said Tilio isn't robust enough for the SPFL.
The McCarthy deal was odd, yes, especially the length of it. One the one hand, we were scrambling with the relatively late Ange appointment then getting enough players in the door to field a team so I can see why someone willing to come at all was an attractive proposition, especially as McKay was kind of thrown in the deep end.
Similarly, McCarthy might have been McKay's downfall? Not sure we ever found out really why he was dispatched so soon?
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Surprised at the Tillo point Silver, watch the aussie league on a regular basis,very physical lots of cards banded around.
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted about an hour ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 16 minutes ago
BTW, I’m at a loss as to the prudence of a business model with such a bloated, unbalanced squad as we have. We’re spvnking ridiculous wages every year to so many senior so-called “back up” players who aren’t remotely good enough … whilst at the same time blocking the pathway to first team action for promising youngsters. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and never has. Not saying either that we can afford 2 quality players for every position, or anything like that, but we just have way too much first team dung.
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But that is exactly the model. We bring a a number of “prospects” and we pay them fairly low wages. If any of them establish themselves they get a decent contract with a hike in wages and that in turn makes them more valuable in the market when they get sold.
The maths of that is clearly working as we can see from the balance sheets and cash in bank. And if they don’t make the grade they eventually move on and we often seem to get something for most of them.
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quite - does it matter if the dung is brought through the academy or bought in? Dung is dung.
Don't get hung up on the academy.
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But surely that also highlights a fundamental flaw in our model … or at least the player ID part of it currently. Yes, bulk buying relatively low cost players gives us a better chance of unearthing a few gems, who then tend to quickly move on for big money. However, the other side of that is inevitably being lumbered with a load of reasonably well paid duds who we struggle to move on … on top of nonsense Oirishy moves like James McCarthy which never made sense in anybody’s model. We’re not getting that hit rate right at the moment, as the shocking “quality” of yesterday’s bench clearly demonstrated. After Wed night’s gruelling effort, the only reason anybody would go with the same team yesterday was because the other options were pash.
Tilio BTW … is he still alive?
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Sorry but I don’t think anyone in any club or support could have anything but the highest admiration of our trading model. We absolutely milk that and do it incredibly well.
As for academies, I can’t think of anything much since the days of our own “Quality Street Kids” or Ferguson’s Man Utd sides who have had much come through in any quantity. No idea of the odds but coming through from that level is extremely rare.
Our model is superb. What we don’t do is take that additional (and easily affordable for us) step risk of buying in maybe 3 players in the £6-9m mark and really step up the standard and profile. Once in that bracket they usually tend to go for even higher values and the model can continue.
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In Scotland we’re miles ahead of others at implementing the model. But you broaden that out to Europe, I’m not sure Celtic is who people look to as a case study of how to operate player trading model effectively,
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I wouldn’t deny that our model is serving us reasonably well financially. Just questioning if it’s really all that in terms of our overall squad quality and balance. Everyone, BR included, would say our first team squad’s too big. Yet within that bloated squad we’ve no acceptable back up, never mind competition, to Hart; Greg Taylor’s our best (only?) LB option; no genuine DM/midfield enforcer for bigger games; questionable quality/depth in wide areas, and only 1 striker worthy of the name. Apart from that, the model’s really working playing-wise.
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That’s exactly my point other than I’d genuinely believe even most clubs in Europe would envy our trading model.
If I was to explain it in poker terms; we are well ahead of the table but could do even more if we upped our stakes in the game.
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
He's said Tilio isn't robust enough for the SPFL.
The McCarthy deal was odd, yes, especially the length of it. One the one hand, we were scrambling with the relatively late Ange appointment then getting enough players in the door to field a team so I can see why someone willing to come at all was an attractive proposition, especially as McKay was kind of thrown in the deep end.
Similarly, McCarthy might have been McKay's downfall? Not sure we ever found out really why he was dispatched so soon?
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Surprised at the Tillo point Silver, watch the aussie league on a regular basis,very physical lots of cards banded around.
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The Celtic boss said in a press conference today [Celtic FC]: “It’s just time. I think he will admit it himself, it’s been a really, really hard transition for him. Just the intensity of the game is totally different to what he’s been used to, so it’s been a challenge for him in training.
“It’s always difficult when you’re a new player coming into a new club and then you’re injured through pre-season and into September. He’s starting to find his feet now in the last three to four weeks.
“It’s going to take him more time, but I’m not in any big rush for Marco. I think he’ll bring himself into the team as quickly as he can produce. But he’s adapting, it’s taken a wee bit longer for him just purely because of the intensity of the game – it’s totally different to where he’s come from.”
Is there any question Brendan cannot answer with the words “intensity” and “quality”?
Favourite Curry House? Massage Parlour? …
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67246397
McLean gone after his rant yesterday
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67246397
McLean gone after his rant yesterday
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St. Johnstone shouldn't be in the position they're in, they're the second best team in Scotland ffs.
comment by Zico - Celtic Treble Winners 22/23 (U21900)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67246397
McLean gone after his rant yesterday
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St. Johnstone shouldn't be in the position they're in, they're the second best team in Scotland ffs.
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Couldn’t have happened to a nicer thug.
Reckon Celtic should go for Shankland fae Hearts
comment by EightThrees (U9258)
posted about 5 hours ago
Reckon Celtic should go for Shankland fae Hearts
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Do you aye?
Die hard Rangers fan who scores roughly 1 goal in 3 games should sign for Celtic?
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by EightThrees (U9258)
posted about 5 hours ago
Reckon Celtic should go for Shankland fae Hearts
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Do you aye?
Die hard Rangers fan who scores roughly 1 goal in 3 games should sign for Celtic?
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Yup.
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 12 minutes ago
Hatate out until Xmas.
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Aw no.
The Celtic boss said in a press conference today [Celtic FC]: “It’s just time. I think he will admit it himself, it’s been a really, really hard transition for him
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Well if anyone is an expert on guys transitioning…
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 19 minutes ago
The Celtic boss said in a press conference today [Celtic FC]: “It’s just time. I think he will admit it himself, it’s been a really, really hard transition for him
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Well if anyone is an expert on guys transitioning…
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🤣🤣🤣
how many times is that Hatate's hamstring has went?
is that no the 4/5th time in a couple seasons?
Time for Bernardo to show us his worth.... He will hopefully get a run of games rather than Turnbull
Trying to stay positive
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by System-Addict ••• ••••• •• (U9239)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
In recent games I actually thought Rodgers was starting to get the balance right. But he seems hell bent on trying to prove that his ‘first stint’ was the benchmark (opposed to Ange); Turnbull instead of Iwata. Forrest instead of Yang.
I suspect the recent games have been influenced more by the senior players than Rogers… but they can’t make the subs?
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TBF BR did an invincible treble so he has some bragging rights.
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Thanks Brendan 😉
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 16 minutes ago
BTW, I’m at a loss as to the prudence of a business model with such a bloated, unbalanced squad as we have. We’re spvnking ridiculous wages every year to so many senior so-called “back up” players who aren’t remotely good enough … whilst at the same time blocking the pathway to first team action for promising youngsters. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and never has. Not saying either that we can afford 2 quality players for every position, or anything like that, but we just have way too much first team dung.
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But that is exactly the model. We bring a a number of “prospects” and we pay them fairly low wages. If any of them establish themselves they get a decent contract with a hike in wages and that in turn makes them more valuable in the market when they get sold.
The maths of that is clearly working as we can see from the balance sheets and cash in bank. And if they don’t make the grade they eventually move on and we often seem to get something for most of them.
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quite - does it matter if the dung is brought through the academy or bought in? Dung is dung.
Don't get hung up on the academy.
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But surely that also highlights a fundamental flaw in our model … or at least the player ID part of it currently. Yes, bulk buying relatively low cost players gives us a better chance of unearthing a few gems, who then tend to quickly move on for big money. However, the other side of that is inevitably being lumbered with a load of reasonably well paid duds who we struggle to move on … on top of nonsense Oirishy moves like James McCarthy which never made sense in anybody’s model. We’re not getting that hit rate right at the moment, as the shocking “quality” of yesterday’s bench clearly demonstrated. After Wed night’s gruelling effort, the only reason anybody would go with the same team yesterday was because the other options were pash.
Tilio BTW … is he still alive?
posted on 29/10/23
He's said Tilio isn't robust enough for the SPFL.
The McCarthy deal was odd, yes, especially the length of it. One the one hand, we were scrambling with the relatively late Ange appointment then getting enough players in the door to field a team so I can see why someone willing to come at all was an attractive proposition, especially as McKay was kind of thrown in the deep end.
Similarly, McCarthy might have been McKay's downfall? Not sure we ever found out really why he was dispatched so soon?
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 minutes ago
He's said Tilio isn't robust enough for the SPFL.
The McCarthy deal was odd, yes, especially the length of it. One the one hand, we were scrambling with the relatively late Ange appointment then getting enough players in the door to field a team so I can see why someone willing to come at all was an attractive proposition, especially as McKay was kind of thrown in the deep end.
Similarly, McCarthy might have been McKay's downfall? Not sure we ever found out really why he was dispatched so soon?
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Aye, over his 4 year contract the McCarthy deal must be due to cost us I’m guessing somewhere between £7-10m (suspect nearer the top end, maybe even higher?) … for 6 STARTS, I believe. Nice work if you can get it.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 16 minutes ago
BTW, I’m at a loss as to the prudence of a business model with such a bloated, unbalanced squad as we have. We’re spvnking ridiculous wages every year to so many senior so-called “back up” players who aren’t remotely good enough … whilst at the same time blocking the pathway to first team action for promising youngsters. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and never has. Not saying either that we can afford 2 quality players for every position, or anything like that, but we just have way too much first team dung.
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But that is exactly the model. We bring a a number of “prospects” and we pay them fairly low wages. If any of them establish themselves they get a decent contract with a hike in wages and that in turn makes them more valuable in the market when they get sold.
The maths of that is clearly working as we can see from the balance sheets and cash in bank. And if they don’t make the grade they eventually move on and we often seem to get something for most of them.
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quite - does it matter if the dung is brought through the academy or bought in? Dung is dung.
Don't get hung up on the academy.
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But surely that also highlights a fundamental flaw in our model … or at least the player ID part of it currently. Yes, bulk buying relatively low cost players gives us a better chance of unearthing a few gems, who then tend to quickly move on for big money. However, the other side of that is inevitably being lumbered with a load of reasonably well paid duds who we struggle to move on … on top of nonsense Oirishy moves like James McCarthy which never made sense in anybody’s model. We’re not getting that hit rate right at the moment, as the shocking “quality” of yesterday’s bench clearly demonstrated. After Wed night’s gruelling effort, the only reason anybody would go with the same team yesterday was because the other options were pash.
Tilio BTW … is he still alive?
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Sorry but I don’t think anyone in any club or support could have anything but the highest admiration of our trading model. We absolutely milk that and do it incredibly well.
As for academies, I can’t think of anything much since the days of our own “Quality Street Kids” or Ferguson’s Man Utd sides who have had much come through in any quantity. No idea of the odds but coming through from that level is extremely rare.
Our model is superb. What we don’t do is take that additional (and easily affordable for us) step risk of buying in maybe 3 players in the £6-9m mark and really step up the standard and profile. Once in that bracket they usually tend to go for even higher values and the model can continue.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 16 minutes ago
BTW, I’m at a loss as to the prudence of a business model with such a bloated, unbalanced squad as we have. We’re spvnking ridiculous wages every year to so many senior so-called “back up” players who aren’t remotely good enough … whilst at the same time blocking the pathway to first team action for promising youngsters. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and never has. Not saying either that we can afford 2 quality players for every position, or anything like that, but we just have way too much first team dung.
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But that is exactly the model. We bring a a number of “prospects” and we pay them fairly low wages. If any of them establish themselves they get a decent contract with a hike in wages and that in turn makes them more valuable in the market when they get sold.
The maths of that is clearly working as we can see from the balance sheets and cash in bank. And if they don’t make the grade they eventually move on and we often seem to get something for most of them.
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quite - does it matter if the dung is brought through the academy or bought in? Dung is dung.
Don't get hung up on the academy.
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But surely that also highlights a fundamental flaw in our model … or at least the player ID part of it currently. Yes, bulk buying relatively low cost players gives us a better chance of unearthing a few gems, who then tend to quickly move on for big money. However, the other side of that is inevitably being lumbered with a load of reasonably well paid duds who we struggle to move on … on top of nonsense Oirishy moves like James McCarthy which never made sense in anybody’s model. We’re not getting that hit rate right at the moment, as the shocking “quality” of yesterday’s bench clearly demonstrated. After Wed night’s gruelling effort, the only reason anybody would go with the same team yesterday was because the other options were pash.
Tilio BTW … is he still alive?
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Sorry but I don’t think anyone in any club or support could have anything but the highest admiration of our trading model. We absolutely milk that and do it incredibly well.
As for academies, I can’t think of anything much since the days of our own “Quality Street Kids” or Ferguson’s Man Utd sides who have had much come through in any quantity. No idea of the odds but coming through from that level is extremely rare.
Our model is superb. What we don’t do is take that additional (and easily affordable for us) step risk of buying in maybe 3 players in the £6-9m mark and really step up the standard and profile. Once in that bracket they usually tend to go for even higher values and the model can continue.
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In Scotland we’re miles ahead of others at implementing the model. But you broaden that out to Europe, I’m not sure Celtic is who people look to as a case study of how to operate player trading model effectively,
posted on 29/10/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 16 minutes ago
BTW, I’m at a loss as to the prudence of a business model with such a bloated, unbalanced squad as we have. We’re spvnking ridiculous wages every year to so many senior so-called “back up” players who aren’t remotely good enough … whilst at the same time blocking the pathway to first team action for promising youngsters. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and never has. Not saying either that we can afford 2 quality players for every position, or anything like that, but we just have way too much first team dung.
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But that is exactly the model. We bring a a number of “prospects” and we pay them fairly low wages. If any of them establish themselves they get a decent contract with a hike in wages and that in turn makes them more valuable in the market when they get sold.
The maths of that is clearly working as we can see from the balance sheets and cash in bank. And if they don’t make the grade they eventually move on and we often seem to get something for most of them.
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quite - does it matter if the dung is brought through the academy or bought in? Dung is dung.
Don't get hung up on the academy.
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But surely that also highlights a fundamental flaw in our model … or at least the player ID part of it currently. Yes, bulk buying relatively low cost players gives us a better chance of unearthing a few gems, who then tend to quickly move on for big money. However, the other side of that is inevitably being lumbered with a load of reasonably well paid duds who we struggle to move on … on top of nonsense Oirishy moves like James McCarthy which never made sense in anybody’s model. We’re not getting that hit rate right at the moment, as the shocking “quality” of yesterday’s bench clearly demonstrated. After Wed night’s gruelling effort, the only reason anybody would go with the same team yesterday was because the other options were pash.
Tilio BTW … is he still alive?
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Sorry but I don’t think anyone in any club or support could have anything but the highest admiration of our trading model. We absolutely milk that and do it incredibly well.
As for academies, I can’t think of anything much since the days of our own “Quality Street Kids” or Ferguson’s Man Utd sides who have had much come through in any quantity. No idea of the odds but coming through from that level is extremely rare.
Our model is superb. What we don’t do is take that additional (and easily affordable for us) step risk of buying in maybe 3 players in the £6-9m mark and really step up the standard and profile. Once in that bracket they usually tend to go for even higher values and the model can continue.
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In Scotland we’re miles ahead of others at implementing the model. But you broaden that out to Europe, I’m not sure Celtic is who people look to as a case study of how to operate player trading model effectively,
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I wouldn’t deny that our model is serving us reasonably well financially. Just questioning if it’s really all that in terms of our overall squad quality and balance. Everyone, BR included, would say our first team squad’s too big. Yet within that bloated squad we’ve no acceptable back up, never mind competition, to Hart; Greg Taylor’s our best (only?) LB option; no genuine DM/midfield enforcer for bigger games; questionable quality/depth in wide areas, and only 1 striker worthy of the name. Apart from that, the model’s really working playing-wise.
posted on 29/10/23
BR has hinted that he’ll clear out a few ‘not good enoughs’ in January. I hope he does and buys one or two ‘oven ready’ players. 🍀👍
posted on 29/10/23
Brentford rumoured to be after MOR.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
He's said Tilio isn't robust enough for the SPFL.
The McCarthy deal was odd, yes, especially the length of it. One the one hand, we were scrambling with the relatively late Ange appointment then getting enough players in the door to field a team so I can see why someone willing to come at all was an attractive proposition, especially as McKay was kind of thrown in the deep end.
Similarly, McCarthy might have been McKay's downfall? Not sure we ever found out really why he was dispatched so soon?
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Surprised at the Tillo point Silver, watch the aussie league on a regular basis,very physical lots of cards banded around.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted about an hour ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 16 minutes ago
BTW, I’m at a loss as to the prudence of a business model with such a bloated, unbalanced squad as we have. We’re spvnking ridiculous wages every year to so many senior so-called “back up” players who aren’t remotely good enough … whilst at the same time blocking the pathway to first team action for promising youngsters. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and never has. Not saying either that we can afford 2 quality players for every position, or anything like that, but we just have way too much first team dung.
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But that is exactly the model. We bring a a number of “prospects” and we pay them fairly low wages. If any of them establish themselves they get a decent contract with a hike in wages and that in turn makes them more valuable in the market when they get sold.
The maths of that is clearly working as we can see from the balance sheets and cash in bank. And if they don’t make the grade they eventually move on and we often seem to get something for most of them.
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quite - does it matter if the dung is brought through the academy or bought in? Dung is dung.
Don't get hung up on the academy.
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But surely that also highlights a fundamental flaw in our model … or at least the player ID part of it currently. Yes, bulk buying relatively low cost players gives us a better chance of unearthing a few gems, who then tend to quickly move on for big money. However, the other side of that is inevitably being lumbered with a load of reasonably well paid duds who we struggle to move on … on top of nonsense Oirishy moves like James McCarthy which never made sense in anybody’s model. We’re not getting that hit rate right at the moment, as the shocking “quality” of yesterday’s bench clearly demonstrated. After Wed night’s gruelling effort, the only reason anybody would go with the same team yesterday was because the other options were pash.
Tilio BTW … is he still alive?
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Sorry but I don’t think anyone in any club or support could have anything but the highest admiration of our trading model. We absolutely milk that and do it incredibly well.
As for academies, I can’t think of anything much since the days of our own “Quality Street Kids” or Ferguson’s Man Utd sides who have had much come through in any quantity. No idea of the odds but coming through from that level is extremely rare.
Our model is superb. What we don’t do is take that additional (and easily affordable for us) step risk of buying in maybe 3 players in the £6-9m mark and really step up the standard and profile. Once in that bracket they usually tend to go for even higher values and the model can continue.
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In Scotland we’re miles ahead of others at implementing the model. But you broaden that out to Europe, I’m not sure Celtic is who people look to as a case study of how to operate player trading model effectively,
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I wouldn’t deny that our model is serving us reasonably well financially. Just questioning if it’s really all that in terms of our overall squad quality and balance. Everyone, BR included, would say our first team squad’s too big. Yet within that bloated squad we’ve no acceptable back up, never mind competition, to Hart; Greg Taylor’s our best (only?) LB option; no genuine DM/midfield enforcer for bigger games; questionable quality/depth in wide areas, and only 1 striker worthy of the name. Apart from that, the model’s really working playing-wise.
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That’s exactly my point other than I’d genuinely believe even most clubs in Europe would envy our trading model.
If I was to explain it in poker terms; we are well ahead of the table but could do even more if we upped our stakes in the game.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
He's said Tilio isn't robust enough for the SPFL.
The McCarthy deal was odd, yes, especially the length of it. One the one hand, we were scrambling with the relatively late Ange appointment then getting enough players in the door to field a team so I can see why someone willing to come at all was an attractive proposition, especially as McKay was kind of thrown in the deep end.
Similarly, McCarthy might have been McKay's downfall? Not sure we ever found out really why he was dispatched so soon?
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Surprised at the Tillo point Silver, watch the aussie league on a regular basis,very physical lots of cards banded around.
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The Celtic boss said in a press conference today [Celtic FC]: “It’s just time. I think he will admit it himself, it’s been a really, really hard transition for him. Just the intensity of the game is totally different to what he’s been used to, so it’s been a challenge for him in training.
“It’s always difficult when you’re a new player coming into a new club and then you’re injured through pre-season and into September. He’s starting to find his feet now in the last three to four weeks.
“It’s going to take him more time, but I’m not in any big rush for Marco. I think he’ll bring himself into the team as quickly as he can produce. But he’s adapting, it’s taken a wee bit longer for him just purely because of the intensity of the game – it’s totally different to where he’s come from.”
posted on 29/10/23
Is there any question Brendan cannot answer with the words “intensity” and “quality”?
Favourite Curry House? Massage Parlour? …
posted on 29/10/23
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67246397
McLean gone after his rant yesterday
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67246397
McLean gone after his rant yesterday
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St. Johnstone shouldn't be in the position they're in, they're the second best team in Scotland ffs.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Zico - Celtic Treble Winners 22/23 (U21900)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67246397
McLean gone after his rant yesterday
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St. Johnstone shouldn't be in the position they're in, they're the second best team in Scotland ffs.
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Couldn’t have happened to a nicer thug.
posted on 29/10/23
Reckon Celtic should go for Shankland fae Hearts
posted on 29/10/23
comment by EightThrees (U9258)
posted about 5 hours ago
Reckon Celtic should go for Shankland fae Hearts
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Do you aye?
Die hard Rangers fan who scores roughly 1 goal in 3 games should sign for Celtic?
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by EightThrees (U9258)
posted about 5 hours ago
Reckon Celtic should go for Shankland fae Hearts
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Do you aye?
Die hard Rangers fan who scores roughly 1 goal in 3 games should sign for Celtic?
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Yup.
posted on 30/10/23
Hatate out until Xmas.
posted on 30/10/23
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 12 minutes ago
Hatate out until Xmas.
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Aw no.
posted on 30/10/23
The Celtic boss said in a press conference today [Celtic FC]: “It’s just time. I think he will admit it himself, it’s been a really, really hard transition for him
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Well if anyone is an expert on guys transitioning…
posted on 30/10/23
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 19 minutes ago
The Celtic boss said in a press conference today [Celtic FC]: “It’s just time. I think he will admit it himself, it’s been a really, really hard transition for him
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Well if anyone is an expert on guys transitioning…
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🤣🤣🤣
posted on 30/10/23
how many times is that Hatate's hamstring has went?
is that no the 4/5th time in a couple seasons?
posted on 30/10/23
Time for Bernardo to show us his worth.... He will hopefully get a run of games rather than Turnbull
Trying to stay positive
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