Really needs to stop the media crap and just focus on his game.
Raya hasnt been great, there's definitely an opportunity to get back in. Just needs to show it in training
It doesn't matter what Ramdale does, everyone knows that Raya will stay No1 unless something catastrophic happens.
I doubt we would get over £40M for Ramsdale if we sell him too, it's not a nice situation to be in for Ramsdale
"It doesn't matter what Ramdale does, everyone knows that Raya will stay No1 unless something catastrophic happens."
this
His father needs to pipe down. It's just making Arteta's decision easier for him.
Yeah he's gotta get his head down and work hard and take the chance when it comes. If he does his part and he still gets turfed out of the team then I think he'd have fair reason to be annoyed and speaking out would be unprofessional, but understandable.
Think the problem is that it's likely nothing will be changed regardless of how well Ramsdale trains or how badly Raya plays. Unless Raya goes to complete and utter untenable levels of shiiiite.
Raya was a great coup, we ended up with two top keepers at a bargain price but have really stuffed up the player management side of things.
It's more than likely Raya only agreed to come if he was guaranteed the number one spot which was our first mistake if so. He had options to be number one elsewhere after all.
If Ramsdale had badly underperformed then you could sort of understand it but he was good if not spectacular last season. I don't think we or he should have a problem with the Raya signing, the problem is the manager playing favourites rather than running a meritocracy of which football is one of the few careers in life where that's typically still the case, or at least should be.
In fairness to the management, statistically Raya was better last season (although in XG behind Alison, Martinez & Leno ironically for us) but do stats always tell the whole story? We've lost Ramsdale's tenacity and drive from the back, he at least on the face of it was an organiser and leader behind the defence and of course a fan favourite. It's not really possible to quantify whether that made a difference with overall performance or not. In fairness to Raya bar a few obvious moments of shakiness it's been our attack/midfield rather than the defence that's been markedly worse this season in terms of cohesion.
For Ramsdale personally this should be very frustrating, he had/has a genuine prospect of being number one for a top club and for his country but the window has been closed on both largely based on favouritism rather than performance and there's no sign of that changing.
Ramsdale should wait until end of the season. If we pay the £40m for Raya then he should hand in a transfer request.
To be honest though his time at Arsenal is over. He cannot be benched whole season and then be number 1 again next season (if we don't sign Raya permanently).
Raya won't cost £40M, it will be £27M or there about.
We laughed at spurs getting Vicario (£17M) but he's performed better than him so far.
Is Raya just too short or is it his positioning? There are some saves which i feel he should get to like in the Lens game and Newcastle one. No point in being good passing at the back if you can't make saves
Ramsdale also has trouble making saves
The big issue with Raya (for me, anyway) is he's getting caught out on crosses - spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 53 minutes ago
Raya won't cost £40M, it will be £27M or there about.
We laughed at spurs getting Vicario (£17M) but he's performed better than him so far.
Is Raya just too short or is it his positioning? There are some saves which i feel he should get to like in the Lens game and Newcastle one. No point in being good passing at the back if you can't make saves
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Is he even good at passing round the back though?
I feel like this is a myth on par with "Havertz is a wonderful footballer but hasnt found the right position" that seems to be parrotted around.
Raya does seem to have the occassional decent long ball in his locker, but nothing more than decent and certainly not at Ederson/Alisson level. That aside, I'm really not sure what his strengths are.
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 53 minutes ago
Raya won't cost £40M, it will be £27M or there about.
We laughed at spurs getting Vicario (£17M) but he's performed better than him so far.
Is Raya just too short or is it his positioning? There are some saves which i feel he should get to like in the Lens game and Newcastle one. No point in being good passing at the back if you can't make saves
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Is he even good at passing round the back though?
I feel like this is a myth on par with "Havertz is a wonderful footballer but hasnt found the right position" that seems to be parrotted around.
Raya does seem to have the occassional decent long ball in his locker, but nothing more than decent and certainly not at Ederson/Alisson level. That aside, I'm really not sure what his strengths are.
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I also didn't notice he is better passer than Ramsdale. However, it's so childish of Ramsdale and his father to say this. Like he is some 10 year old who needs his dad to protect him
comment by Croatian Gooner (U10698)
posted 23 minutes ago
I also didn't notice he is better passer than Ramsdale. However, it's so childish of Ramsdale and his father to say this. Like he is some 10 year old who needs his dad to protect him
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Could have been worse - his maw!
Who the hell has said havertz is a wonderful footballer
Even if Raya was a great long passer of the ball, I don't think Arteta let's his players (particularly in defence) play in that way, as it's likely to concede ball control unless you get it spot on.
He's all about full control usually.
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 22 seconds ago
Who the hell has said havertz is a wonderful footballer
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the "great player but doesn't know his best position" gets trotted out disturbingly often.
Unless he's hiding his talent incredibly well, he is just shiiiite.
Raya does seem to have the occassional decent long ball in his locker, but nothing more than decent and certainly not at Ederson/Alisson level. That aside, I'm really not sure what his strengths are.
----
His stats are apparently better than Ramsdale s
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 47 minutes ago
Who the hell has said havertz is a wonderful footballer
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Tbh thats all I hear from pundits - "he's such a good footballer but hasnt quite yet fit Arteta's system" sort of stuff.
One of the guys on the Football Weekly pod did actually say it might be that he WAS a great footballer in Germany but years of being the 'odd job man' and shunted around all sorts of positions has ruined him.
The primary and most important role of a goalkeeper is to stop goals and Ramsdale is far better than Raya at that. Playing out from the back is a secondary role and Raya is only slightly better at that.
Taking everything into consideration I think Ramsdale is best
comment by (U3265)
posted 22 minutes ago
The primary and most important role of a goalkeeper is to stop goals and Ramsdale is far better than Raya at that. Playing out from the back is a secondary role and Raya is only slightly better at that.
Taking everything into consideration I think Ramsdale is best
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Problem with this is we have conceded less with Raya, Raya has a better xG denial rate (or whatever) better save percentage etc.
As an outsider it just seems you’ve brought disharmony to the squad. Always rated Ramsdale 👍
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by (U3265)
posted 22 minutes ago
The primary and most important role of a goalkeeper is to stop goals and Ramsdale is far better than Raya at that. Playing out from the back is a secondary role and Raya is only slightly better at that.
Taking everything into consideration I think Ramsdale is best
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Problem with this is we have conceded less with Raya, Raya has a better xG denial rate (or whatever) better save percentage etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you mean the saves he gets to make, he makes more than Ramsdale? Is that this season as it's hard to judge based of 4/5 games
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 days, 5 hours ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 22 seconds ago
Who the hell has said havertz is a wonderful footballer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the "great player but doesn't know his best position" gets trotted out disturbingly often.
Unless he's hiding his talent incredibly well, he is just shiiiite.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
🤣
Yes, after a while you have to accept that part of 👑Kai’s ability to “hide his talent incredibly well” is the likelihood that that ‘talent’ is actually tiny…
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 2 days, 1 hour ago
As an outsider it just seems you’ve brought disharmony to the squad. Always rated Ramsdale 👍
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This!
I dont think anyone would have looked at our team last year and thought "we need to replace Ramsdale". Yes he had a few moments, but he saves us a lot of points I feel. If anything, we would have been hoping he learns from last season and continues to improve - he is still young.
Bringing in Raya has destabilized it all. Not only does Raya not seem like an improvement in any real way (stats from last season be damned) but now it seems like Arteta lied (I have 2 number ones) and also never had a chat with Ramsdale about dropping him. That can't be good for the squad as any player will look and say "that could be me".
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 days, 5 hours ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 22 seconds ago
Who the hell has said havertz is a wonderful footballer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the "great player but doesn't know his best position" gets trotted out disturbingly often.
Unless he's hiding his talent incredibly well, he is just shiiiite.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
🤣
Yes, after a while you have to accept that part of 👑Kai’s ability to “hide his talent incredibly well” is the likelihood that that ‘talent’ is actually tiny…
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Havertz is a vanity project. The question is...will Arteta realize this and treat him the way he did Willian or Lokonga after realizing his mistake? Or will it be like Nketiah - not good enough but still here.
We needed to elevate the team this season, but we have brought in a player who has been poor and needs elevation and brought in a keeper who has caused discord (through no fault of his own) by replacing a very capable fan favourite.
I hope Ramsdale can be at his best against Brentford but fear the situation will affect his performance.
---------------------------------
Exactly what has happened. Of course Ramsdale had already made mistakes before that one.
But yesterday he was really low in confidence and his face was telling at the end of the match.
Can't see a future for him at Arsenal now.
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posted on 14/11/23
Really needs to stop the media crap and just focus on his game.
Raya hasnt been great, there's definitely an opportunity to get back in. Just needs to show it in training
posted on 14/11/23
It doesn't matter what Ramdale does, everyone knows that Raya will stay No1 unless something catastrophic happens.
I doubt we would get over £40M for Ramsdale if we sell him too, it's not a nice situation to be in for Ramsdale
posted on 14/11/23
"It doesn't matter what Ramdale does, everyone knows that Raya will stay No1 unless something catastrophic happens."
this
posted on 14/11/23
His father needs to pipe down. It's just making Arteta's decision easier for him.
posted on 14/11/23
Yeah he's gotta get his head down and work hard and take the chance when it comes. If he does his part and he still gets turfed out of the team then I think he'd have fair reason to be annoyed and speaking out would be unprofessional, but understandable.
posted on 15/11/23
Think the problem is that it's likely nothing will be changed regardless of how well Ramsdale trains or how badly Raya plays. Unless Raya goes to complete and utter untenable levels of shiiiite.
Raya was a great coup, we ended up with two top keepers at a bargain price but have really stuffed up the player management side of things.
It's more than likely Raya only agreed to come if he was guaranteed the number one spot which was our first mistake if so. He had options to be number one elsewhere after all.
If Ramsdale had badly underperformed then you could sort of understand it but he was good if not spectacular last season. I don't think we or he should have a problem with the Raya signing, the problem is the manager playing favourites rather than running a meritocracy of which football is one of the few careers in life where that's typically still the case, or at least should be.
In fairness to the management, statistically Raya was better last season (although in XG behind Alison, Martinez & Leno ironically for us) but do stats always tell the whole story? We've lost Ramsdale's tenacity and drive from the back, he at least on the face of it was an organiser and leader behind the defence and of course a fan favourite. It's not really possible to quantify whether that made a difference with overall performance or not. In fairness to Raya bar a few obvious moments of shakiness it's been our attack/midfield rather than the defence that's been markedly worse this season in terms of cohesion.
For Ramsdale personally this should be very frustrating, he had/has a genuine prospect of being number one for a top club and for his country but the window has been closed on both largely based on favouritism rather than performance and there's no sign of that changing.
posted on 15/11/23
Ramsdale should wait until end of the season. If we pay the £40m for Raya then he should hand in a transfer request.
To be honest though his time at Arsenal is over. He cannot be benched whole season and then be number 1 again next season (if we don't sign Raya permanently).
posted on 15/11/23
Raya won't cost £40M, it will be £27M or there about.
We laughed at spurs getting Vicario (£17M) but he's performed better than him so far.
Is Raya just too short or is it his positioning? There are some saves which i feel he should get to like in the Lens game and Newcastle one. No point in being good passing at the back if you can't make saves
posted on 15/11/23
Ramsdale also has trouble making saves
The big issue with Raya (for me, anyway) is he's getting caught out on crosses - spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle
posted on 15/11/23
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 53 minutes ago
Raya won't cost £40M, it will be £27M or there about.
We laughed at spurs getting Vicario (£17M) but he's performed better than him so far.
Is Raya just too short or is it his positioning? There are some saves which i feel he should get to like in the Lens game and Newcastle one. No point in being good passing at the back if you can't make saves
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is he even good at passing round the back though?
I feel like this is a myth on par with "Havertz is a wonderful footballer but hasnt found the right position" that seems to be parrotted around.
Raya does seem to have the occassional decent long ball in his locker, but nothing more than decent and certainly not at Ederson/Alisson level. That aside, I'm really not sure what his strengths are.
posted on 15/11/23
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 53 minutes ago
Raya won't cost £40M, it will be £27M or there about.
We laughed at spurs getting Vicario (£17M) but he's performed better than him so far.
Is Raya just too short or is it his positioning? There are some saves which i feel he should get to like in the Lens game and Newcastle one. No point in being good passing at the back if you can't make saves
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is he even good at passing round the back though?
I feel like this is a myth on par with "Havertz is a wonderful footballer but hasnt found the right position" that seems to be parrotted around.
Raya does seem to have the occassional decent long ball in his locker, but nothing more than decent and certainly not at Ederson/Alisson level. That aside, I'm really not sure what his strengths are.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I also didn't notice he is better passer than Ramsdale. However, it's so childish of Ramsdale and his father to say this. Like he is some 10 year old who needs his dad to protect him
posted on 15/11/23
comment by Croatian Gooner (U10698)
posted 23 minutes ago
I also didn't notice he is better passer than Ramsdale. However, it's so childish of Ramsdale and his father to say this. Like he is some 10 year old who needs his dad to protect him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Could have been worse - his maw!
posted on 15/11/23
Who the hell has said havertz is a wonderful footballer
posted on 15/11/23
Even if Raya was a great long passer of the ball, I don't think Arteta let's his players (particularly in defence) play in that way, as it's likely to concede ball control unless you get it spot on.
He's all about full control usually.
posted on 15/11/23
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 22 seconds ago
Who the hell has said havertz is a wonderful footballer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the "great player but doesn't know his best position" gets trotted out disturbingly often.
Unless he's hiding his talent incredibly well, he is just shiiiite.
posted on 15/11/23
Raya does seem to have the occassional decent long ball in his locker, but nothing more than decent and certainly not at Ederson/Alisson level. That aside, I'm really not sure what his strengths are.
----
His stats are apparently better than Ramsdale s
posted on 15/11/23
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 47 minutes ago
Who the hell has said havertz is a wonderful footballer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbh thats all I hear from pundits - "he's such a good footballer but hasnt quite yet fit Arteta's system" sort of stuff.
One of the guys on the Football Weekly pod did actually say it might be that he WAS a great footballer in Germany but years of being the 'odd job man' and shunted around all sorts of positions has ruined him.
posted on 15/11/23
The primary and most important role of a goalkeeper is to stop goals and Ramsdale is far better than Raya at that. Playing out from the back is a secondary role and Raya is only slightly better at that.
Taking everything into consideration I think Ramsdale is best
posted on 15/11/23
comment by (U3265)
posted 22 minutes ago
The primary and most important role of a goalkeeper is to stop goals and Ramsdale is far better than Raya at that. Playing out from the back is a secondary role and Raya is only slightly better at that.
Taking everything into consideration I think Ramsdale is best
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Problem with this is we have conceded less with Raya, Raya has a better xG denial rate (or whatever) better save percentage etc.
posted on 15/11/23
As an outsider it just seems you’ve brought disharmony to the squad. Always rated Ramsdale 👍
posted on 15/11/23
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by (U3265)
posted 22 minutes ago
The primary and most important role of a goalkeeper is to stop goals and Ramsdale is far better than Raya at that. Playing out from the back is a secondary role and Raya is only slightly better at that.
Taking everything into consideration I think Ramsdale is best
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Problem with this is we have conceded less with Raya, Raya has a better xG denial rate (or whatever) better save percentage etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you mean the saves he gets to make, he makes more than Ramsdale? Is that this season as it's hard to judge based of 4/5 games
posted on 17/11/23
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 days, 5 hours ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 22 seconds ago
Who the hell has said havertz is a wonderful footballer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the "great player but doesn't know his best position" gets trotted out disturbingly often.
Unless he's hiding his talent incredibly well, he is just shiiiite.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
🤣
Yes, after a while you have to accept that part of 👑Kai’s ability to “hide his talent incredibly well” is the likelihood that that ‘talent’ is actually tiny…
posted on 17/11/23
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 2 days, 1 hour ago
As an outsider it just seems you’ve brought disharmony to the squad. Always rated Ramsdale 👍
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This!
I dont think anyone would have looked at our team last year and thought "we need to replace Ramsdale". Yes he had a few moments, but he saves us a lot of points I feel. If anything, we would have been hoping he learns from last season and continues to improve - he is still young.
Bringing in Raya has destabilized it all. Not only does Raya not seem like an improvement in any real way (stats from last season be damned) but now it seems like Arteta lied (I have 2 number ones) and also never had a chat with Ramsdale about dropping him. That can't be good for the squad as any player will look and say "that could be me".
posted on 17/11/23
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 days, 5 hours ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 22 seconds ago
Who the hell has said havertz is a wonderful footballer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the "great player but doesn't know his best position" gets trotted out disturbingly often.
Unless he's hiding his talent incredibly well, he is just shiiiite.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
🤣
Yes, after a while you have to accept that part of 👑Kai’s ability to “hide his talent incredibly well” is the likelihood that that ‘talent’ is actually tiny…
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Havertz is a vanity project. The question is...will Arteta realize this and treat him the way he did Willian or Lokonga after realizing his mistake? Or will it be like Nketiah - not good enough but still here.
We needed to elevate the team this season, but we have brought in a player who has been poor and needs elevation and brought in a keeper who has caused discord (through no fault of his own) by replacing a very capable fan favourite.
posted on 26/11/23
I hope Ramsdale can be at his best against Brentford but fear the situation will affect his performance.
---------------------------------
Exactly what has happened. Of course Ramsdale had already made mistakes before that one.
But yesterday he was really low in confidence and his face was telling at the end of the match.
Can't see a future for him at Arsenal now.
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