Well at least you admit it I suppose.
Nothing wrong with admitting it. I'm not deluded to tell myself that I'm waiting for the decision in this case to tell me if City are guilty or not.
Everybody already knows. It's a question of being able to prove it, not a question of whether it happened. Obviously.
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Olorin (U22733)
posted 1 minute ago
If you told City 10yrs ago that they would win multiple premier leagues, the champions league, domestic cups, have one of if not the best academy's and have a seat at the top table of European football, at the cost of relegation for a season, they would have bitten your hand off.
Being relegated for a season is worth it. They have everything infrastructurally set up and the pain would be absorbable.
Cheating pays well
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They might be sued by sides who finished fifth in the league every time they made the CL. There could be lawsuits in the hundreds of millions.
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Which they can pay-off in a heartbeat
comment by Simply Redd (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Olorin (U22733)
posted 1 minute ago
If you told City 10yrs ago that they would win multiple premier leagues, the champions league, domestic cups, have one of if not the best academy's and have a seat at the top table of European football, at the cost of relegation for a season, they would have bitten your hand off.
Being relegated for a season is worth it. They have everything infrastructurally set up and the pain would be absorbable.
Cheating pays well
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They might be sued by sides who finished fifth in the league every time they made the CL. There could be lawsuits in the hundreds of millions.
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Which they can pay-off in a heartbeat
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Not if FFP have anything to say about it. Or will FFP be suspended then?
Have they been cheating since 2009 ?
If so how have they benefitted from this since 2009?
How has such cheating impacted other clubs since 2009?
Where would they be now, had they not cheated (punishments, spend restrictions and so on)
This is HUGE
City literally couldn't wait to go to CAS with the UEFA one. Does make you wonder whether they got that verdict fairly or with a rather large 'donation'. I know which is most likely.
No CAS to save them this time though. The PL and this independent review panel could always be got at though I suppose.
Nobody is going to believe if 115 charges are all dismissed. The PL have basically said they are guilty with that many charges presented. As Mamba says it's proving it or for City to prove it's legit. The fact they don't like fully cooperating with these things makes you think they know they can't prove it.
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with admitting it. I'm not deluded to tell myself that I'm waiting for the decision in this case to tell me if City are guilty or not.
Everybody already knows. It's a question of being able to prove it, not a question of whether it happened. Obviously.
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Never thought I’d see a Liverpool fan have that sentiment but fair enough.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 50 minutes ago
City literally couldn't wait to go to CAS with the UEFA one. Does make you wonder whether they got that verdict fairly or with a rather large 'donation'. I know which is most likely.
No CAS to save them this time though. The PL and this independent review panel could always be got at though I suppose.
Nobody is going to believe if 115 charges are all dismissed. The PL have basically said they are guilty with that many charges presented. As Mamba says it's proving it or for City to prove it's legit. The fact they don't like fully cooperating with these things makes you think they know they can't prove it.
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You think CAS is more likely to be bribed than UEFA? Do you realise how far down the rabbit hole you need to be to think that..?
Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god.
I imagine football will reflect life and politics. Rarely are the richest held account for their actions sadly.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with admitting it. I'm not deluded to tell myself that I'm waiting for the decision in this case to tell me if City are guilty or not.
Everybody already knows. It's a question of being able to prove it, not a question of whether it happened. Obviously.
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Never thought I’d see a Liverpool fan have that sentiment but fair enough.
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Why?
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
Crimes against football ffs
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Don’t see what’s funny about that given the amount of clubs that would have missed out on trophies, money, CL/Europa qualification because of one clubs deliberate breaches.
Because that’s the same sentiment plenty have incorrectly had about your own club on occasion.
What specifically do you know we’re already guilty of? I can think of one but not anything else.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
Because that’s the same sentiment plenty have incorrectly had about your own club on occasion.
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Just because people are wrong one time doesn't make them wrong the next, and vice versa.
Furthermore, you can't really compare the two situations at all. I didn't think there was a way in which Hillsborough could be brought into this debate, but I guess a drowning man will clutch at a straw.
There is simply no chance that City aren't cheats. Are you trying to ay the club was grown organically? I honestly doubt that even City fans truly believe that. The question is whether it can be proven.
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
Because that’s the same sentiment plenty have incorrectly had about your own club on occasion.
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Just because people are wrong one time doesn't make them wrong the next, and vice versa.
Furthermore, you can't really compare the two situations at all. I didn't think there was a way in which Hillsborough could be brought into this debate, but I guess a drowning man will clutch at a straw.
There is simply no chance that City aren't cheats. Are you trying to ay the club was grown organically? I honestly doubt that even City fans truly believe that. The question is whether it can be proven.
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What do you even mean by organically for me to be able to answer that question? It’s not a charge!
Which of the charges do you think there’s no way we couldn’t have not cheated on?
We've been down this road before. Believe what you want.
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Simply Redd (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Olorin (U22733)
posted 1 minute ago
If you told City 10yrs ago that they would win multiple premier leagues, the champions league, domestic cups, have one of if not the best academy's and have a seat at the top table of European football, at the cost of relegation for a season, they would have bitten your hand off.
Being relegated for a season is worth it. They have everything infrastructurally set up and the pain would be absorbable.
Cheating pays well
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They might be sued by sides who finished fifth in the league every time they made the CL. There could be lawsuits in the hundreds of millions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which they can pay-off in a heartbeat
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Not if FFP have anything to say about it. Or will FFP be suspended then?
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FFP Doesn't cover none football expenses, like fines
City will definitely get done. I expect them to be thrown out of the leagues. They will have to start at the very bottom. It needs to be a 10 year minimum plan for them to climb back into even league 2.
Cheating bassstards.
The op can’t specify the charges against City but somehow, is convinced that we’re guilty.
What chance do we have against such corrupt charges sponsored by corrupt clubs?
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
The op can’t specify the charges against City but somehow, is convinced that we’re guilty.
What chance do we have against such corrupt charges sponsored by corrupt clubs?
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WT actual F.
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
We've been down this road before. Believe what you want.
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Don’t think we’ve ever been down this road before and it’s not what about what I believe as I don’t think any of it is about belief as I’ve stated anyway, you’re the one saying you know we’re guilty. Although are you saying that’s your belief now?
I’ll ask again, which specific charge do you know we’re guilty of?
No one knows whether City have “cheated” or not. The likes of Mamba can claim that “everyone knows”, but he’s wrong. Plenty may think (and justifiably so) that City have cheated, but as things stand, not one single person who thinks that way knows with absolute certainty.
Even the PL themselves don’t know that. Hence why they haven’t punished the club yet.
The likes of Mamba and SE85 can think that City are guilty, and they may well be proven right in due course, but equally they may well be proven wrong in due course.
But then these two posters in particular have already made it clear that no matter what the outcome, they will maintain that City are guilty, and claim that they speak for the whole world in doing so, such is their own delusional arrogance.
This won’t end with City, regardless of the outcome. Football overall has become corrupt to the core in its quest for more money. And all clubs have chased the money.
20 years ago not one single fan cared about the balance sheet. All they cared about was what happened on the pitch. Christ, even the FA and the football league didn’t care about that. Now everyone is putting that balance sheet ahead of what actually happens on the pitch. It’s just really sad that the game has come to this. With fans spending more time arguing about riches than they are debating about the game, the sport, itself. That is FFPs biggest failure. It’s now a game for accountants. As opposed as a game of athletes giving entertainment to the common every day man.
And pretty much everyone here, on this site, is lapping it up, without actually having a clue exactly what it is they are actually defending.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
We've been down this road before. Believe what you want.
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Don’t think we’ve ever been down this road before and it’s not what about what I believe as I don’t think any of it is about belief as I’ve stated anyway, you’re the one saying you know we’re guilty. Although are you saying that’s your belief now?
I’ll ask again, which specific charge do you know we’re guilty of?
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You know full well Melts that Mamba can not answer that question. He doesn’t even know exactly what it is that City have been charged with. Neither does SE85, who at least had the good grace to admit that when I asked him this question a while back.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
We've been down this road before. Believe what you want.
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Don’t think we’ve ever been down this road before and it’s not what about what I believe as I don’t think any of it is about belief as I’ve stated anyway, you’re the one saying you know we’re guilty. Although are you saying that’s your belief now?
I’ll ask again, which specific charge do you know we’re guilty of?
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You know full well Melts that Mamba can not answer that question. He doesn’t even know exactly what it is that City have been charged with. Neither does SE85, who at least had the good grace to admit that when I asked him this question a while back.
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It does seem that way and yet they’re the only two that say we’re guilty with certainty in their opinion and then also have the audacity (or stupidity, I’m still not sure which it is yet) to project that onto others.
I’ve constantly said I don’t know whether we’re guilty or not. I could proffer an opinion on the main charges but there’s no point on this site as people clearly don’t understand what they are anyway.
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posted on 19/11/23
Well at least you admit it I suppose.
posted on 19/11/23
Nothing wrong with admitting it. I'm not deluded to tell myself that I'm waiting for the decision in this case to tell me if City are guilty or not.
Everybody already knows. It's a question of being able to prove it, not a question of whether it happened. Obviously.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Olorin (U22733)
posted 1 minute ago
If you told City 10yrs ago that they would win multiple premier leagues, the champions league, domestic cups, have one of if not the best academy's and have a seat at the top table of European football, at the cost of relegation for a season, they would have bitten your hand off.
Being relegated for a season is worth it. They have everything infrastructurally set up and the pain would be absorbable.
Cheating pays well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They might be sued by sides who finished fifth in the league every time they made the CL. There could be lawsuits in the hundreds of millions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which they can pay-off in a heartbeat
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Simply Redd (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Olorin (U22733)
posted 1 minute ago
If you told City 10yrs ago that they would win multiple premier leagues, the champions league, domestic cups, have one of if not the best academy's and have a seat at the top table of European football, at the cost of relegation for a season, they would have bitten your hand off.
Being relegated for a season is worth it. They have everything infrastructurally set up and the pain would be absorbable.
Cheating pays well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They might be sued by sides who finished fifth in the league every time they made the CL. There could be lawsuits in the hundreds of millions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which they can pay-off in a heartbeat
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Not if FFP have anything to say about it. Or will FFP be suspended then?
posted on 19/11/23
Have they been cheating since 2009 ?
If so how have they benefitted from this since 2009?
How has such cheating impacted other clubs since 2009?
Where would they be now, had they not cheated (punishments, spend restrictions and so on)
This is HUGE
posted on 19/11/23
City literally couldn't wait to go to CAS with the UEFA one. Does make you wonder whether they got that verdict fairly or with a rather large 'donation'. I know which is most likely.
No CAS to save them this time though. The PL and this independent review panel could always be got at though I suppose.
Nobody is going to believe if 115 charges are all dismissed. The PL have basically said they are guilty with that many charges presented. As Mamba says it's proving it or for City to prove it's legit. The fact they don't like fully cooperating with these things makes you think they know they can't prove it.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with admitting it. I'm not deluded to tell myself that I'm waiting for the decision in this case to tell me if City are guilty or not.
Everybody already knows. It's a question of being able to prove it, not a question of whether it happened. Obviously.
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Never thought I’d see a Liverpool fan have that sentiment but fair enough.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 50 minutes ago
City literally couldn't wait to go to CAS with the UEFA one. Does make you wonder whether they got that verdict fairly or with a rather large 'donation'. I know which is most likely.
No CAS to save them this time though. The PL and this independent review panel could always be got at though I suppose.
Nobody is going to believe if 115 charges are all dismissed. The PL have basically said they are guilty with that many charges presented. As Mamba says it's proving it or for City to prove it's legit. The fact they don't like fully cooperating with these things makes you think they know they can't prove it.
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You think CAS is more likely to be bribed than UEFA? Do you realise how far down the rabbit hole you need to be to think that..?
posted on 19/11/23
Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god.
I imagine football will reflect life and politics. Rarely are the richest held account for their actions sadly.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with admitting it. I'm not deluded to tell myself that I'm waiting for the decision in this case to tell me if City are guilty or not.
Everybody already knows. It's a question of being able to prove it, not a question of whether it happened. Obviously.
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Never thought I’d see a Liverpool fan have that sentiment but fair enough.
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Why?
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
Crimes against football ffs
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Don’t see what’s funny about that given the amount of clubs that would have missed out on trophies, money, CL/Europa qualification because of one clubs deliberate breaches.
posted on 19/11/23
Because that’s the same sentiment plenty have incorrectly had about your own club on occasion.
What specifically do you know we’re already guilty of? I can think of one but not anything else.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
Because that’s the same sentiment plenty have incorrectly had about your own club on occasion.
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Just because people are wrong one time doesn't make them wrong the next, and vice versa.
Furthermore, you can't really compare the two situations at all. I didn't think there was a way in which Hillsborough could be brought into this debate, but I guess a drowning man will clutch at a straw.
There is simply no chance that City aren't cheats. Are you trying to ay the club was grown organically? I honestly doubt that even City fans truly believe that. The question is whether it can be proven.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
Because that’s the same sentiment plenty have incorrectly had about your own club on occasion.
====
Just because people are wrong one time doesn't make them wrong the next, and vice versa.
Furthermore, you can't really compare the two situations at all. I didn't think there was a way in which Hillsborough could be brought into this debate, but I guess a drowning man will clutch at a straw.
There is simply no chance that City aren't cheats. Are you trying to ay the club was grown organically? I honestly doubt that even City fans truly believe that. The question is whether it can be proven.
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What do you even mean by organically for me to be able to answer that question? It’s not a charge!
posted on 19/11/23
Which of the charges do you think there’s no way we couldn’t have not cheated on?
posted on 19/11/23
We've been down this road before. Believe what you want.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Simply Redd (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Olorin (U22733)
posted 1 minute ago
If you told City 10yrs ago that they would win multiple premier leagues, the champions league, domestic cups, have one of if not the best academy's and have a seat at the top table of European football, at the cost of relegation for a season, they would have bitten your hand off.
Being relegated for a season is worth it. They have everything infrastructurally set up and the pain would be absorbable.
Cheating pays well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They might be sued by sides who finished fifth in the league every time they made the CL. There could be lawsuits in the hundreds of millions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which they can pay-off in a heartbeat
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Not if FFP have anything to say about it. Or will FFP be suspended then?
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FFP Doesn't cover none football expenses, like fines
posted on 19/11/23
City will definitely get done. I expect them to be thrown out of the leagues. They will have to start at the very bottom. It needs to be a 10 year minimum plan for them to climb back into even league 2.
Cheating bassstards.
posted on 19/11/23
The op can’t specify the charges against City but somehow, is convinced that we’re guilty.
What chance do we have against such corrupt charges sponsored by corrupt clubs?
posted on 19/11/23
posted on 19/11/23
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
The op can’t specify the charges against City but somehow, is convinced that we’re guilty.
What chance do we have against such corrupt charges sponsored by corrupt clubs?
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WT actual F.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
We've been down this road before. Believe what you want.
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Don’t think we’ve ever been down this road before and it’s not what about what I believe as I don’t think any of it is about belief as I’ve stated anyway, you’re the one saying you know we’re guilty. Although are you saying that’s your belief now?
I’ll ask again, which specific charge do you know we’re guilty of?
posted on 19/11/23
No one knows whether City have “cheated” or not. The likes of Mamba can claim that “everyone knows”, but he’s wrong. Plenty may think (and justifiably so) that City have cheated, but as things stand, not one single person who thinks that way knows with absolute certainty.
Even the PL themselves don’t know that. Hence why they haven’t punished the club yet.
The likes of Mamba and SE85 can think that City are guilty, and they may well be proven right in due course, but equally they may well be proven wrong in due course.
But then these two posters in particular have already made it clear that no matter what the outcome, they will maintain that City are guilty, and claim that they speak for the whole world in doing so, such is their own delusional arrogance.
This won’t end with City, regardless of the outcome. Football overall has become corrupt to the core in its quest for more money. And all clubs have chased the money.
20 years ago not one single fan cared about the balance sheet. All they cared about was what happened on the pitch. Christ, even the FA and the football league didn’t care about that. Now everyone is putting that balance sheet ahead of what actually happens on the pitch. It’s just really sad that the game has come to this. With fans spending more time arguing about riches than they are debating about the game, the sport, itself. That is FFPs biggest failure. It’s now a game for accountants. As opposed as a game of athletes giving entertainment to the common every day man.
And pretty much everyone here, on this site, is lapping it up, without actually having a clue exactly what it is they are actually defending.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
We've been down this road before. Believe what you want.
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Don’t think we’ve ever been down this road before and it’s not what about what I believe as I don’t think any of it is about belief as I’ve stated anyway, you’re the one saying you know we’re guilty. Although are you saying that’s your belief now?
I’ll ask again, which specific charge do you know we’re guilty of?
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You know full well Melts that Mamba can not answer that question. He doesn’t even know exactly what it is that City have been charged with. Neither does SE85, who at least had the good grace to admit that when I asked him this question a while back.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
We've been down this road before. Believe what you want.
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Don’t think we’ve ever been down this road before and it’s not what about what I believe as I don’t think any of it is about belief as I’ve stated anyway, you’re the one saying you know we’re guilty. Although are you saying that’s your belief now?
I’ll ask again, which specific charge do you know we’re guilty of?
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You know full well Melts that Mamba can not answer that question. He doesn’t even know exactly what it is that City have been charged with. Neither does SE85, who at least had the good grace to admit that when I asked him this question a while back.
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It does seem that way and yet they’re the only two that say we’re guilty with certainty in their opinion and then also have the audacity (or stupidity, I’m still not sure which it is yet) to project that onto others.
I’ve constantly said I don’t know whether we’re guilty or not. I could proffer an opinion on the main charges but there’s no point on this site as people clearly don’t understand what they are anyway.
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