comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
Levy should be judged each and every transfer window or just after it closes. He left us short this summer - how many of us said we needed 2 senior CB’ s, Levy buys a kid because it’s a good deal and one senior CB. I honestly would have said it’s not his fault if we had that one extra CB, Maddison can be (poorly) replaced by GLC and we have 4 left backs at the club and one on loan until Jan so Udogie being out shouldn’t be an issue.

But he didn’t push the boat out for that one more player we desperately needed and now we’re back to watching Eric faaacking Dier undo all the hard work that had gone before - a player we know 100% is gone in the summer.

He always leaves us a day late and a dollar short and it undoes a lot of the very good thing (especially commercially) that he does at the club
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Who are the 4 LBs? Is that including emerson and porro?
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Sess, Davies, Perisic and Udogie with Reggie on loan
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Wooooow. Completely forgot about sess and even perisic tbf. But i guess that says a lot about sess

comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thank God all the positivity of the season so far is eroding. Long live the misery and moaning. Some of our fans truly excel in this, world class!
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It’s not misery, it’s realism. It’s like going to the cinema and watching the same ultimately disappointing film play out over and over again. We started well last year after failing to adequately reinforce at CB (Conte wanted Bastoni) got key injuries, namely Bentancur and our season fell apart.

I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Ange and yes it feels different on the manager front as he is so positive and plays great football. But the narrative remains the same for me, another manager suffering due to an inadequate squad.

There is only one person to blame for that, as much as everyone wants to pin al of the last 4 years on Jose, Nuno and Conte - there is one common thread in it all - Dan Levy coming up short.
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Not sure if you can read this mug (because you are a filtering coward) but most decent Spurs fans can accept it would take more than one window for Ange to build a squad.
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This! We had a great start but that was a bonus more than anything. We got unlucky with that freak game against Chelsea but we can all see we're moving in the right direction at last. We need another summer before we can even begin to judge.

All the moaning fans went very quiet when we were doing well but I see they are creeping back on to this thread. Normality resumed.
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It’s not normality and it’s not pessimism from our fans, it’s realisation that we were sold short again.

I would argue your assertion of it being quiet when we were doing well the other way round - the happy clappers were out in force when going well but now don’t like it because the wheels have come off to the same failing over and over again - namely having an insufficient squad.

Honestly look back at old posts in the summer and see how many posters said we needed 2 senior CB’s - it’s was obvious for al to see how quickly things could go wrong.

And this is nothing to do with Ange, I lay none of it at his door. It’s not about money either in my opinion, it’s about the club failing to balance resources properly again - we spent a small fee on Phillips but he is not ready, we bought a young striker for £12m who is not ready yet, coupled with the club signing of Djed Spence last year that’s your money for the other CB we need. Then we could have sat here and said, let’s give GLC until the winter window, and if he doesn’t cut it let’s try to sell him and bring someone else in who might

No news of Sess training again either!

comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
Levy should be judged each and every transfer window or just after it closes. He left us short this summer - how many of us said we needed 2 senior CB’ s, Levy buys a kid because it’s a good deal and one senior CB. I honestly would have said it’s not his fault if we had that one extra CB, Maddison can be (poorly) replaced by GLC and we have 4 left backs at the club and one on loan until Jan so Udogie being out shouldn’t be an issue.

But he didn’t push the boat out for that one more player we desperately needed and now we’re back to watching Eric faaacking Dier undo all the hard work that had gone before - a player we know 100% is gone in the summer.

He always leaves us a day late and a dollar short and it undoes a lot of the very good thing (especially commercially) that he does at the club
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Who are the 4 LBs? Is that including emerson and porro?
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Sess, Davies, Perisic and Udogie with Reggie on loan
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Wooooow. Completely forgot about sess and even perisic tbf. But i guess that says a lot about sess
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Yeah Sess is a real shame as there used to be a footballer there but his body is broke beyond repair now - I can’t see him ever being able to play half a season of football again unfortunately.

We’ve got a big clear out to do defensively - Dier, Rodon, Perisic, Sess, Reggie, Spence - possibly Davies. Spence and Rodon we’re about £30m and we’re the cheap options at the time - I wish we would use our loaf every now and again and pay more for greater quality instead of filler.

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thank God all the positivity of the season so far is eroding. Long live the misery and moaning. Some of our fans truly excel in this, world class!
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It’s not misery, it’s realism. It’s like going to the cinema and watching the same ultimately disappointing film play out over and over again. We started well last year after failing to adequately reinforce at CB (Conte wanted Bastoni) got key injuries, namely Bentancur and our season fell apart.

I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Ange and yes it feels different on the manager front as he is so positive and plays great football. But the narrative remains the same for me, another manager suffering due to an inadequate squad.

There is only one person to blame for that, as much as everyone wants to pin al of the last 4 years on Jose, Nuno and Conte - there is one common thread in it all - Dan Levy coming up short.
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Not sure if you can read this mug (because you are a filtering coward) but most decent Spurs fans can accept it would take more than one window for Ange to build a squad.
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This! We had a great start but that was a bonus more than anything. We got unlucky with that freak game against Chelsea but we can all see we're moving in the right direction at last. We need another summer before we can even begin to judge.

All the moaning fans went very quiet when we were doing well but I see they are creeping back on to this thread. Normality resumed.
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It’s not normality and it’s not pessimism from our fans, it’s realisation that we were sold short again.

I would argue your assertion of it being quiet when we were doing well the other way round - the happy clappers were out in force when going well but now don’t like it because the wheels have come off to the same failing over and over again - namely having an insufficient squad.

Honestly look back at old posts in the summer and see how many posters said we needed 2 senior CB’s - it’s was obvious for al to see how quickly things could go wrong.

And this is nothing to do with Ange, I lay none of it at his door. It’s not about money either in my opinion, it’s about the club failing to balance resources properly again - we spent a small fee on Phillips but he is not ready, we bought a young striker for £12m who is not ready yet, coupled with the club signing of Djed Spence last year that’s your money for the other CB we need. Then we could have sat here and said, let’s give GLC until the winter window, and if he doesn’t cut it let’s try to sell him and bring someone else in who might
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Realism is the point though, isn't it? Yes, we are arguably short a centre back but we're not Man City. We cannot expect to have world class players in every position. If it wasn't for key players lack of discipline, it wouldn't be looking half as bad as it is now.

I think our business over the summer was good and the club has managed to pull off two great "under the radar" signings in VDV and Vicario. As I say above, come the end of next summer we should expect to have a more complete squad. That is realistic. Just look at Everton and maybe now Chelsea and City as to what happens when you play real life like it's a computer game.

I know it's not perfect, and I'm as frustrated as anyone with the current situation, but you need to revaluate what realism actually is. We weren't going to win the league this year and nothing is decided in November.

comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thank God all the positivity of the season so far is eroding. Long live the misery and moaning. Some of our fans truly excel in this, world class!
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It’s not misery, it’s realism. It’s like going to the cinema and watching the same ultimately disappointing film play out over and over again. We started well last year after failing to adequately reinforce at CB (Conte wanted Bastoni) got key injuries, namely Bentancur and our season fell apart.

I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Ange and yes it feels different on the manager front as he is so positive and plays great football. But the narrative remains the same for me, another manager suffering due to an inadequate squad.

There is only one person to blame for that, as much as everyone wants to pin al of the last 4 years on Jose, Nuno and Conte - there is one common thread in it all - Dan Levy coming up short.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure if you can read this mug (because you are a filtering coward) but most decent Spurs fans can accept it would take more than one window for Ange to build a squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This! We had a great start but that was a bonus more than anything. We got unlucky with that freak game against Chelsea but we can all see we're moving in the right direction at last. We need another summer before we can even begin to judge.

All the moaning fans went very quiet when we were doing well but I see they are creeping back on to this thread. Normality resumed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It’s not normality and it’s not pessimism from our fans, it’s realisation that we were sold short again.

I would argue your assertion of it being quiet when we were doing well the other way round - the happy clappers were out in force when going well but now don’t like it because the wheels have come off to the same failing over and over again - namely having an insufficient squad.

Honestly look back at old posts in the summer and see how many posters said we needed 2 senior CB’s - it’s was obvious for al to see how quickly things could go wrong.

And this is nothing to do with Ange, I lay none of it at his door. It’s not about money either in my opinion, it’s about the club failing to balance resources properly again - we spent a small fee on Phillips but he is not ready, we bought a young striker for £12m who is not ready yet, coupled with the club signing of Djed Spence last year that’s your money for the other CB we need. Then we could have sat here and said, let’s give GLC until the winter window, and if he doesn’t cut it let’s try to sell him and bring someone else in who might
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Realism is the point though, isn't it? Yes, we are arguably short a centre back but we're not Man City. We cannot expect to have world class players in every position. If it wasn't for key players lack of discipline, it wouldn't be looking half as bad as it is now.

I think our business over the summer was good and the club has managed to pull off two great "under the radar" signings in VDV and Vicario. As I say above, come the end of next summer we should expect to have a more complete squad. That is realistic. Just look at Everton and maybe now Chelsea and City as to what happens when you play real life like it's a computer game.

I know it's not perfect, and I'm as frustrated as anyone with the current situation, but you need to revaluate what realism actually is. We weren't going to win the league this year and nothing is decided in November.
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My realism was to finish about 6th and just be happy to get back into Europe. I’ve already said I’m delighted with Ange and I agree wholeheartedly the business we did do was very good.

The issue is we spent all summer looking at both a Tapsoba and VDV, we went with VDV as he was the cheaper alternative which you would think would give us the chance to land a second CB - namely Lloyd Kelly who we took a serious look at but baulked at the £25m valuation.

Now I don’t care about the what we paid, but we clearly knew a second CB was needed and didn’t act. We then sold Sanchez after he did well when coming on against Brentford - I would rather have him in the highline than faaacking useless Dire a player guaranteed to be gone by the summer. So my issue is again we had a solid start to the window and then dragged our heels, finally made a decision (a good one) on VDV and then sort of just dipped our toe about another CB. Don’t take my word for it though, listen to Ange who has already stated reinforcement are needed in Jan - I bet you another CB is his number 1 priority.

My other issue is priority signings, we just spent £12m on a 16/17 year old kid from Croatia who won’t actually join us until a couple of summers from now, add the money on Phillips, Veliz and Spence and that’s more or less the fee for Tapsoba. The “club signings” rarely if ever work out.

Finally we’ve spent £90m on CB’s since 2017, compare that to Arsenal, Chelsea etc.

comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 4 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thank God all the positivity of the season so far is eroding. Long live the misery and moaning. Some of our fans truly excel in this, world class!
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It’s not misery, it’s realism. It’s like going to the cinema and watching the same ultimately disappointing film play out over and over again. We started well last year after failing to adequately reinforce at CB (Conte wanted Bastoni) got key injuries, namely Bentancur and our season fell apart.

I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Ange and yes it feels different on the manager front as he is so positive and plays great football. But the narrative remains the same for me, another manager suffering due to an inadequate squad.

There is only one person to blame for that, as much as everyone wants to pin al of the last 4 years on Jose, Nuno and Conte - there is one common thread in it all - Dan Levy coming up short.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure if you can read this mug (because you are a filtering coward) but most decent Spurs fans can accept it would take more than one window for Ange to build a squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This! We had a great start but that was a bonus more than anything. We got unlucky with that freak game against Chelsea but we can all see we're moving in the right direction at last. We need another summer before we can even begin to judge.

All the moaning fans went very quiet when we were doing well but I see they are creeping back on to this thread. Normality resumed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It’s not normality and it’s not pessimism from our fans, it’s realisation that we were sold short again.

I would argue your assertion of it being quiet when we were doing well the other way round - the happy clappers were out in force when going well but now don’t like it because the wheels have come off to the same failing over and over again - namely having an insufficient squad.

Honestly look back at old posts in the summer and see how many posters said we needed 2 senior CB’s - it’s was obvious for al to see how quickly things could go wrong.

And this is nothing to do with Ange, I lay none of it at his door. It’s not about money either in my opinion, it’s about the club failing to balance resources properly again - we spent a small fee on Phillips but he is not ready, we bought a young striker for £12m who is not ready yet, coupled with the club signing of Djed Spence last year that’s your money for the other CB we need. Then we could have sat here and said, let’s give GLC until the winter window, and if he doesn’t cut it let’s try to sell him and bring someone else in who might
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Realism is the point though, isn't it? Yes, we are arguably short a centre back but we're not Man City. We cannot expect to have world class players in every position. If it wasn't for key players lack of discipline, it wouldn't be looking half as bad as it is now.

I think our business over the summer was good and the club has managed to pull off two great "under the radar" signings in VDV and Vicario. As I say above, come the end of next summer we should expect to have a more complete squad. That is realistic. Just look at Everton and maybe now Chelsea and City as to what happens when you play real life like it's a computer game.

I know it's not perfect, and I'm as frustrated as anyone with the current situation, but you need to revaluate what realism actually is. We weren't going to win the league this year and nothing is decided in November.
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This is exactly why we need rid of Levy & ENIC, because realism is we will never build a championship winning team in this climate under their stewardship.

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 21 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thank God all the positivity of the season so far is eroding. Long live the misery and moaning. Some of our fans truly excel in this, world class!
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It’s not misery, it’s realism. It’s like going to the cinema and watching the same ultimately disappointing film play out over and over again. We started well last year after failing to adequately reinforce at CB (Conte wanted Bastoni) got key injuries, namely Bentancur and our season fell apart.

I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Ange and yes it feels different on the manager front as he is so positive and plays great football. But the narrative remains the same for me, another manager suffering due to an inadequate squad.

There is only one person to blame for that, as much as everyone wants to pin al of the last 4 years on Jose, Nuno and Conte - there is one common thread in it all - Dan Levy coming up short.
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Are you really this stupid?

Spurs changed a hell of a lot in the summer, across the board, at the very top end of the club, new DoF, new manager and the team that walks out most weeks is largely 6 or 7 players different from last season.

This is a process. Look at Klopps time, look at Arteta's development of Arsenal. This didnt happen in a window. We're fecking miles ahead of where they were after a dozen league games. Their first seasons both ended 8th, 60/56pts respectively.

Are you really so foolish to think that all our problems are solved in one window when we didnt even know how the new regime would work. Fact is we've made huge strides, massive, and have surpassed all expectations, totally! 2 points off the top heading into December and fans like you are moaning on that we dont have a title winning squad yet. It beggars belief and displays a massive lack of understanding about how a team moves on from mistakes of the past and builds and develops a new squad

Fair enough if we go through Jan and the summer and are still looking at the same issues then that's a failure of epic scale. But lets at least give this process time before the incessant moaning starts again

comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 13 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 4 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thank God all the positivity of the season so far is eroding. Long live the misery and moaning. Some of our fans truly excel in this, world class!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not misery, it’s realism. It’s like going to the cinema and watching the same ultimately disappointing film play out over and over again. We started well last year after failing to adequately reinforce at CB (Conte wanted Bastoni) got key injuries, namely Bentancur and our season fell apart.

I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Ange and yes it feels different on the manager front as he is so positive and plays great football. But the narrative remains the same for me, another manager suffering due to an inadequate squad.

There is only one person to blame for that, as much as everyone wants to pin al of the last 4 years on Jose, Nuno and Conte - there is one common thread in it all - Dan Levy coming up short.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure if you can read this mug (because you are a filtering coward) but most decent Spurs fans can accept it would take more than one window for Ange to build a squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This! We had a great start but that was a bonus more than anything. We got unlucky with that freak game against Chelsea but we can all see we're moving in the right direction at last. We need another summer before we can even begin to judge.

All the moaning fans went very quiet when we were doing well but I see they are creeping back on to this thread. Normality resumed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It’s not normality and it’s not pessimism from our fans, it’s realisation that we were sold short again.

I would argue your assertion of it being quiet when we were doing well the other way round - the happy clappers were out in force when going well but now don’t like it because the wheels have come off to the same failing over and over again - namely having an insufficient squad.

Honestly look back at old posts in the summer and see how many posters said we needed 2 senior CB’s - it’s was obvious for al to see how quickly things could go wrong.

And this is nothing to do with Ange, I lay none of it at his door. It’s not about money either in my opinion, it’s about the club failing to balance resources properly again - we spent a small fee on Phillips but he is not ready, we bought a young striker for £12m who is not ready yet, coupled with the club signing of Djed Spence last year that’s your money for the other CB we need. Then we could have sat here and said, let’s give GLC until the winter window, and if he doesn’t cut it let’s try to sell him and bring someone else in who might
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Realism is the point though, isn't it? Yes, we are arguably short a centre back but we're not Man City. We cannot expect to have world class players in every position. If it wasn't for key players lack of discipline, it wouldn't be looking half as bad as it is now.

I think our business over the summer was good and the club has managed to pull off two great "under the radar" signings in VDV and Vicario. As I say above, come the end of next summer we should expect to have a more complete squad. That is realistic. Just look at Everton and maybe now Chelsea and City as to what happens when you play real life like it's a computer game.

I know it's not perfect, and I'm as frustrated as anyone with the current situation, but you need to revaluate what realism actually is. We weren't going to win the league this year and nothing is decided in November.
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This is exactly why we need rid of Levy & ENIC, because realism is we will never build a championship winning team in this climate under their stewardship.
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How easy do you think it is to build a Championship winning team.

If you take the "Dopers" out of the equation then only LFC and Leicester (now relegated) have managed it once in the last 10 years and in teh last 20 years only United can be added to that list.

So, 2 dopers, the biggest 2 clubs in the league and a freakish Leicester win in 20 years.

You're another clown who wants the best for the club but has expectations way beyond reason.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 21 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thank God all the positivity of the season so far is eroding. Long live the misery and moaning. Some of our fans truly excel in this, world class!
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It’s not misery, it’s realism. It’s like going to the cinema and watching the same ultimately disappointing film play out over and over again. We started well last year after failing to adequately reinforce at CB (Conte wanted Bastoni) got key injuries, namely Bentancur and our season fell apart.

I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Ange and yes it feels different on the manager front as he is so positive and plays great football. But the narrative remains the same for me, another manager suffering due to an inadequate squad.

There is only one person to blame for that, as much as everyone wants to pin al of the last 4 years on Jose, Nuno and Conte - there is one common thread in it all - Dan Levy coming up short.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Are you really this stupid?

Spurs changed a hell of a lot in the summer, across the board, at the very top end of the club, new DoF, new manager and the team that walks out most weeks is largely 6 or 7 players different from last season.

This is a process. Look at Klopps time, look at Arteta's development of Arsenal. This didnt happen in a window. We're fecking miles ahead of where they were after a dozen league games. Their first seasons both ended 8th, 60/56pts respectively.

Are you really so foolish to think that all our problems are solved in one window when we didnt even know how the new regime would work. Fact is we've made huge strides, massive, and have surpassed all expectations, totally! 2 points off the top heading into December and fans like you are moaning on that we dont have a title winning squad yet. It beggars belief and displays a massive lack of understanding about how a team moves on from mistakes of the past and builds and develops a new squad

Fair enough if we go through Jan and the summer and are still looking at the same issues then that's a failure of epic scale. But lets at least give this process time before the incessant moaning starts again
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Are you really this much of a closed minded idiot, so blinded by your devotion to Levy that you can’t see the truth?

I know you have an unhealthy interest in defending Levy, but you have to have some balance otherwise there’s no point debating this stuff at all.

All roads lead back to Levy because he is the man in charge and has been 23 years and 1 trophy now. Great this summer he finally cleared out the 4 previous years of failure that he set up - long overdue, he got us into the state we were in.

Go back through my posts in the summer when I was moaning, you will notice I moaned about the same thing over and over - we needed 2 senior centre backs for the exact reason we are seeing now. When I moaned at the start of the summer the response was “the windows just opened, give it time” then after we signed Maddison, “I’m sure we have targets and are just assessing” we finally get VDV “we will have another lined up but we’re not as desperate now and can afford to wait until the end of the window” and then the window slams shut “we’ve started well, we can make do until Jan, everything’s positive, stop moaning”

Once again I was proven correct, I said Romero is a walking red card and injury prone, Dier will get loads of game time and he can’t play in the highline - and here we are.

So Devon please engage your brain for once, turn off your undying love for Levy and realise that we were left short again and it might cost us a very gettable CL spot.

For the record, I love Ange and why he is trying to do - he just needs more help from dear leader

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 13 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 4 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Thank God all the positivity of the season so far is eroding. Long live the misery and moaning. Some of our fans truly excel in this, world class!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not misery, it’s realism. It’s like going to the cinema and watching the same ultimately disappointing film play out over and over again. We started well last year after failing to adequately reinforce at CB (Conte wanted Bastoni) got key injuries, namely Bentancur and our season fell apart.

I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Ange and yes it feels different on the manager front as he is so positive and plays great football. But the narrative remains the same for me, another manager suffering due to an inadequate squad.

There is only one person to blame for that, as much as everyone wants to pin al of the last 4 years on Jose, Nuno and Conte - there is one common thread in it all - Dan Levy coming up short.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure if you can read this mug (because you are a filtering coward) but most decent Spurs fans can accept it would take more than one window for Ange to build a squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This! We had a great start but that was a bonus more than anything. We got unlucky with that freak game against Chelsea but we can all see we're moving in the right direction at last. We need another summer before we can even begin to judge.

All the moaning fans went very quiet when we were doing well but I see they are creeping back on to this thread. Normality resumed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It’s not normality and it’s not pessimism from our fans, it’s realisation that we were sold short again.

I would argue your assertion of it being quiet when we were doing well the other way round - the happy clappers were out in force when going well but now don’t like it because the wheels have come off to the same failing over and over again - namely having an insufficient squad.

Honestly look back at old posts in the summer and see how many posters said we needed 2 senior CB’s - it’s was obvious for al to see how quickly things could go wrong.

And this is nothing to do with Ange, I lay none of it at his door. It’s not about money either in my opinion, it’s about the club failing to balance resources properly again - we spent a small fee on Phillips but he is not ready, we bought a young striker for £12m who is not ready yet, coupled with the club signing of Djed Spence last year that’s your money for the other CB we need. Then we could have sat here and said, let’s give GLC until the winter window, and if he doesn’t cut it let’s try to sell him and bring someone else in who might
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Realism is the point though, isn't it? Yes, we are arguably short a centre back but we're not Man City. We cannot expect to have world class players in every position. If it wasn't for key players lack of discipline, it wouldn't be looking half as bad as it is now.

I think our business over the summer was good and the club has managed to pull off two great "under the radar" signings in VDV and Vicario. As I say above, come the end of next summer we should expect to have a more complete squad. That is realistic. Just look at Everton and maybe now Chelsea and City as to what happens when you play real life like it's a computer game.

I know it's not perfect, and I'm as frustrated as anyone with the current situation, but you need to revaluate what realism actually is. We weren't going to win the league this year and nothing is decided in November.
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This is exactly why we need rid of Levy & ENIC, because realism is we will never build a championship winning team in this climate under their stewardship.
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How easy do you think it is to build a Championship winning team.

If you take the "Dopers" out of the equation then only LFC and Leicester (now relegated) have managed it once in the last 10 years and in teh last 20 years only United can be added to that list.

So, 2 dopers, the biggest 2 clubs in the league and a freakish Leicester win in 20 years.

You're another clown who wants the best for the club but has expectations way beyond reason.
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Honestly Devon, I don’t think Danny boy loves you like you love him

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Thank God all the positivity of the season so far is eroding. Long live the misery and moaning. Some of our fans truly excel in this, world class!
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It’s not misery, it’s realism. It’s like going to the cinema and watching the same ultimately disappointing film play out over and over again. We started well last year after failing to adequately reinforce at CB (Conte wanted Bastoni) got key injuries, namely Bentancur and our season fell apart.

I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Ange and yes it feels different on the manager front as he is so positive and plays great football. But the narrative remains the same for me, another manager suffering due to an inadequate squad.

There is only one person to blame for that, as much as everyone wants to pin al of the last 4 years on Jose, Nuno and Conte - there is one common thread in it all - Dan Levy coming up short.
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Are you really this stupid?

Spurs changed a hell of a lot in the summer, across the board, at the very top end of the club, new DoF, new manager and the team that walks out most weeks is largely 6 or 7 players different from last season.

This is a process. Look at Klopps time, look at Arteta's development of Arsenal. This didnt happen in a window. We're fecking miles ahead of where they were after a dozen league games. Their first seasons both ended 8th, 60/56pts respectively.

Are you really so foolish to think that all our problems are solved in one window when we didnt even know how the new regime would work. Fact is we've made huge strides, massive, and have surpassed all expectations, totally! 2 points off the top heading into December and fans like you are moaning on that we dont have a title winning squad yet. It beggars belief and displays a massive lack of understanding about how a team moves on from mistakes of the past and builds and develops a new squad

Fair enough if we go through Jan and the summer and are still looking at the same issues then that's a failure of epic scale. But lets at least give this process time before the incessant moaning starts again
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Are you really this much of a closed minded idiot, so blinded by your devotion to Levy that you can’t see the truth?

I know you have an unhealthy interest in defending Levy, but you have to have some balance otherwise there’s no point debating this stuff at all.

All roads lead back to Levy because he is the man in charge and has been 23 years and 1 trophy now. Great this summer he finally cleared out the 4 previous years of failure that he set up - long overdue, he got us into the state we were in.

Go back through my posts in the summer when I was moaning, you will notice I moaned about the same thing over and over - we needed 2 senior centre backs for the exact reason we are seeing now. When I moaned at the start of the summer the response was “the windows just opened, give it time” then after we signed Maddison, “I’m sure we have targets and are just assessing” we finally get VDV “we will have another lined up but we’re not as desperate now and can afford to wait until the end of the window” and then the window slams shut “we’ve started well, we can make do until Jan, everything’s positive, stop moaning”

Once again I was proven correct, I said Romero is a walking red card and injury prone, Dier will get loads of game time and he can’t play in the highline - and here we are.

So Devon please engage your brain for once, turn off your undying love for Levy and realise that we were left short again and it might cost us a very gettable CL spot.

For the record, I love Ange and why he is trying to do - he just needs more help from dear leader
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Wow, you're a fecking genius

Did you apply for the Spurs DOF role because you are clearly a standout candidate and you make it sound so easy.

So we needed a new CB, brilliant. No one else spotted this in the summer but you knew all along, and now you've been proven right, and we all look so silly for doubting you.

Why didnt the club just click their fingers and make it happen? Because it's that easy right? Happens all the time. Team goes from 8th, rebuilds squad, solves all their problems, become title contenders after 1 window. It's easy.

And because we havent built our flawless squad in 1 window, and i have expectations that this may take maybe 2 or 3 windows, I'm a Levy Lover

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Thank God all the positivity of the season so far is eroding. Long live the misery and moaning. Some of our fans truly excel in this, world class!
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It’s not misery, it’s realism. It’s like going to the cinema and watching the same ultimately disappointing film play out over and over again. We started well last year after failing to adequately reinforce at CB (Conte wanted Bastoni) got key injuries, namely Bentancur and our season fell apart.

I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Ange and yes it feels different on the manager front as he is so positive and plays great football. But the narrative remains the same for me, another manager suffering due to an inadequate squad.

There is only one person to blame for that, as much as everyone wants to pin al of the last 4 years on Jose, Nuno and Conte - there is one common thread in it all - Dan Levy coming up short.
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Are you really this stupid?

Spurs changed a hell of a lot in the summer, across the board, at the very top end of the club, new DoF, new manager and the team that walks out most weeks is largely 6 or 7 players different from last season.

This is a process. Look at Klopps time, look at Arteta's development of Arsenal. This didnt happen in a window. We're fecking miles ahead of where they were after a dozen league games. Their first seasons both ended 8th, 60/56pts respectively.

Are you really so foolish to think that all our problems are solved in one window when we didnt even know how the new regime would work. Fact is we've made huge strides, massive, and have surpassed all expectations, totally! 2 points off the top heading into December and fans like you are moaning on that we dont have a title winning squad yet. It beggars belief and displays a massive lack of understanding about how a team moves on from mistakes of the past and builds and develops a new squad

Fair enough if we go through Jan and the summer and are still looking at the same issues then that's a failure of epic scale. But lets at least give this process time before the incessant moaning starts again
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Are you really this much of a closed minded idiot, so blinded by your devotion to Levy that you can’t see the truth?

I know you have an unhealthy interest in defending Levy, but you have to have some balance otherwise there’s no point debating this stuff at all.

All roads lead back to Levy because he is the man in charge and has been 23 years and 1 trophy now. Great this summer he finally cleared out the 4 previous years of failure that he set up - long overdue, he got us into the state we were in.

Go back through my posts in the summer when I was moaning, you will notice I moaned about the same thing over and over - we needed 2 senior centre backs for the exact reason we are seeing now. When I moaned at the start of the summer the response was “the windows just opened, give it time” then after we signed Maddison, “I’m sure we have targets and are just assessing” we finally get VDV “we will have another lined up but we’re not as desperate now and can afford to wait until the end of the window” and then the window slams shut “we’ve started well, we can make do until Jan, everything’s positive, stop moaning”

Once again I was proven correct, I said Romero is a walking red card and injury prone, Dier will get loads of game time and he can’t play in the highline - and here we are.

So Devon please engage your brain for once, turn off your undying love for Levy and realise that we were left short again and it might cost us a very gettable CL spot.

For the record, I love Ange and why he is trying to do - he just needs more help from dear leader
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Wow, you're a fecking genius

Did you apply for the Spurs DOF role because you are clearly a standout candidate and you make it sound so easy.

So we needed a new CB, brilliant. No one else spotted this in the summer but you knew all along, and now you've been proven right, and we all look so silly for doubting you.

Why didnt the club just click their fingers and make it happen? Because it's that easy right? Happens all the time. Team goes from 8th, rebuilds squad, solves all their problems, become title contenders after 1 window. It's easy.

And because we havent built our flawless squad in 1 window, and i have expectations that this may take maybe 2 or 3 windows, I'm a Levy Lover




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You seem hard of reading, I will break it down for you. Most fans on this site knew we needed 2 CBs in the summer - we had quite a few articles about signing both VDV and Tapsoba, you must remember that. But of course it was as usual too expensive for dear leader and instead we spent £25m on some kids that don’t play instead - faaaacking genius.

I will say it again, this squad lacks a senior CB and adequate back up for Maddison. I accept that it will be difficult to buy that in Jan but won’t accept that next summer. What we should try at the very least this Jan is to loan a senior CB.

Finally, we could have had Lenglet back for about £5m, who is not great but is at least left sided, Prem experienced and better than Dier.

Why can’t you accept that mistakes were made again in the transfer window and those mistakes were our usual failings?

Take your Levy tinted glasses off for a second

Making friends & not being furious again strikemug...?

on your own board too...

Last season we spent money on kids like Udogie and Sarr.

You probably called them a waste of money too, genius!

The more you type the more you are showing yourself to be utterly clueless. Look around , have a look at other teams and how they plotted their course to the top. There will have been times when they carried players they didn't want, needed to fill holes in the squad and improve depth. Necessary Ins and Outs which took time to afford and achieve and none if it happened over night.

12 games in that is where we are at. Early days with the intelligent amongst us recognising there are more steps that need to be taken and it will take time to plan, afford and deliver these, and the idiots amongst us moaning on and on like a spoilt child about why the squad isn't perfect already.

Most grown-ups share the hope that the club recognise the potential we have shown sofar under Ange and ensure he is supported. The best way of doing that, how the money is spent on and who, and whether we have to wait to get our preferred targets or lower our sights justvto gwt bodies in are all questions that are far from easy to answer and will depend on many factors. A balancing act.

Some believe this is child's play. Instead they are demonstrating child like understanding of football.

Strikenumpty spends too much time spent sucking up to oxygen thieves like Craptor...

StrikeKaren still on this month. Poor lass

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Last season we spent money on kids like Udogie and Sarr.

You probably called them a waste of money too, genius!

The more you type the more you are showing yourself to be utterly clueless. Look around , have a look at other teams and how they plotted their course to the top. There will have been times when they carried players they didn't want, needed to fill holes in the squad and improve depth. Necessary Ins and Outs which took time to afford and achieve and none if it happened over night.

12 games in that is where we are at. Early days with the intelligent amongst us recognising there are more steps that need to be taken and it will take time to plan, afford and deliver these, and the idiots amongst us moaning on and on like a spoilt child about why the squad isn't perfect already.

Most grown-ups share the hope that the club recognise the potential we have shown sofar under Ange and ensure he is supported. The best way of doing that, how the money is spent on and who, and whether we have to wait to get our preferred targets or lower our sights justvto gwt bodies in are all questions that are far from easy to answer and will depend on many factors. A balancing act.

Some believe this is child's play. Instead they are demonstrating child like understanding of football.
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We bought Sarr in August 2021 and loaned him out and he broke through this year. 2 managers in that time lost their job - again I wonder what difference buying someone who could come in straight away might have made. Conte was quite vocal about these club signings, they diminish our overall budget.

As much as you love Levy, your just going to have to accept he was wrong again and left us short again Devon. I know you get upset as you’re completely in love with the man but he left us a CB short this summer and it’s clear for the whole world to see.

I am not denying that post Poch the decision making has been largely poor. It became a mess that we are now looking to tidy up and the ownership take the flack for that (although i consider Conte was borderline negligent in the way he ran the club last season).

But lets not forget, those shiiiit times were off the back of some real advancement. 2nd & 3rd in the league, UCL final, continual UCL qualification for years.

WHen you say Levy has left us short, what for? Did you expect us to have not lost none of our 12 games. Should we now be top having won every game? Should we have top quality back up for every decent player.

But tell me, how quickly can we rebuild the squad because the way i see it, if we are without Romero, Udogie, Maddison, Bissouma, Son, Porro, then we are "left short" with players of a lower quality in their place. It will take more time to get in the quality backup to the superb XI we now have and it is essential that we get the right players in.

Also consider this, who do Arsenal have with their 2 CBs out? Last season it was Holding and no one

Also consider this. Saliba is one of the best CBs in the league now. Bought at 18 in 2019, loaned out, and now key to their team. £27m he cost them and didnt really play for them for 3 years.

Buying talent at this young age for the future is a legit strategy to build. If that's all you do then you will struggle but it is an essential strategy for clubs like Spurs & Arsenal who cannot afford a stable of +£50m defenders.

I want Dier gone and quality replacing him, but it has to be the right fit for the club. IT has to be the right player at the right price, especially when you consider that they may not start that many games, at least this season. But if we could not get Dier out of the door, then i'm happy we keep our powder dry, in this season of rebuild, and ensure we get the right fit for the squad to form a key part of our future.

If you think that's Levy Lovin, then you truly are a simpleton who cannot escape your Levy bashing narrative and think more deeply about our issues and how they can be addressed.

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I am not denying that post Poch the decision making has been largely poor. It became a mess that we are now looking to tidy up and the ownership take the flack for that (although i consider Conte was borderline negligent in the way he ran the club last season).

But lets not forget, those shiiiit times were off the back of some real advancement. 2nd & 3rd in the league, UCL final, continual UCL qualification for years.

WHen you say Levy has left us short, what for? Did you expect us to have not lost none of our 12 games. Should we now be top having won every game? Should we have top quality back up for every decent player.

But tell me, how quickly can we rebuild the squad because the way i see it, if we are without Romero, Udogie, Maddison, Bissouma, Son, Porro, then we are "left short" with players of a lower quality in their place. It will take more time to get in the quality backup to the superb XI we now have and it is essential that we get the right players in.

Also consider this, who do Arsenal have with their 2 CBs out? Last season it was Holding and no one

Also consider this. Saliba is one of the best CBs in the league now. Bought at 18 in 2019, loaned out, and now key to their team. £27m he cost them and didnt really play for them for 3 years.

Buying talent at this young age for the future is a legit strategy to build. If that's all you do then you will struggle but it is an essential strategy for clubs like Spurs & Arsenal who cannot afford a stable of +£50m defenders.

I want Dier gone and quality replacing him, but it has to be the right fit for the club. IT has to be the right player at the right price, especially when you consider that they may not start that many games, at least this season. But if we could not get Dier out of the door, then i'm happy we keep our powder dry, in this season of rebuild, and ensure we get the right fit for the squad to form a key part of our future.

If you think that's Levy Lovin, then you truly are a simpleton who cannot escape your Levy bashing narrative and think more deeply about our issues and how they can be addressed.
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Arsenal are a team who consistently finish behind us, I don’t hold them up as any sort of example of how things can be done.

It was never about having four world class players for every position, however we left ourselves short at CB - it’s undeniable, let’s take a look.

Spurs current senior CB’s

Romero
VDV
Dier
Davies

The first two are class. Dier is an absolute liability and was a stalwart of an awful defence last season that conceded a record amount of goals in the recent era. He is our Harry Maguire, but worse, a proven failure. Furthermore, every man and his kitten knew Dire was incapable of playing in a highline and that Ange would deploy one. There is a reason we’re letting him run his contract down.

The next is Ben Davies, a left back we deploy at CB in an emergency - steady Ben who a lot of our fans don’t rate. I see him as our 7/10 guy every week and love his attitude work rate, but it’s ridiculous he is still having to cover CB for us in 2023.

After that we have 2 kids that are t ready in Dorrington and Phillips - we know they’re not ready because Ange ain’t picking them.

So explain to me how we weren’t left short again - I say again because this is not a new issue with this defence.

Liverpool have VVD, Konate, Matip, Gomez
City have Gvardiol, Dias, Akanji, Ake, Stones
Arsenal have Timber, Gabriel, Saliba - you’d forgotten about Timber
United have Lindelof, Martinez, Varane, Evans, Maguire

We’re always the poor relations and it faaacks me off

Liverpool...same manager for 7 years and they still have bog average Matip and Gomez as back up

City...spent 300m on CBs

Arsenal...have only just added Timber and beyond that have no one. Had Holding last season.

United. Quantity and little quality

Spurs need to add 1 decent CB and we're set. It's not the bed wetting disaster you are painting it as.

But you love to moan. I get it! It's your thing.

23 years, one trophy

You simply cannot compare us to Liverpool, Arsenal etc

They e all won multiple trophies during your man levy’s reign

Levy’s genius is his ability to always convince some people that we’re just a season away from success

Just a couple more transfer windows, just wait for the new stadium or wait until we move to Stratford

I used to fall for it. Not anymore. Levy is a fraud.

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posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
23 years, one trophy

You simply cannot compare us to Liverpool, Arsenal etc

They e all won multiple trophies during your man levy’s reign

Levy’s genius is his ability to always convince some people that we’re just a season away from success

Just a couple more transfer windows, just wait for the new stadium or wait until we move to Stratford

I used to fall for it. Not anymore. Levy is a fraud.
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You are not allowed any legitimate grievances against Levy, the sites federal prosecutor Devon will faaacking cry otherwise.

1 trophy in 23 years, we should fall at the feet of Levy and kiss them to show our gratitude whilst he sneers at us telling us we’re not worthy.

All hail dear leader

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comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
23 years, one trophy

You simply cannot compare us to Liverpool, Arsenal etc

They e all won multiple trophies during your man levy’s reign

Levy’s genius is his ability to always convince some people that we’re just a season away from success

Just a couple more transfer windows, just wait for the new stadium or wait until we move to Stratford

I used to fall for it. Not anymore. Levy is a fraud.
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You are not allowed any legitimate grievances against Levy, the sites federal prosecutor Devon will faaacking cry otherwise.

1 trophy in 23 years, we should fall at the feet of Levy and kiss them to show our gratitude whilst he sneers at us telling us we’re not worthy.

All hail dear leader
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Don’t really care what Devonshire posts. I feel sorry for him really.

When I started supporting spurs, my grandad and dad used to tell me about all the trophies they watched spurs win.

I’ll be able to tell my grandkids about all the net profit I watched us attain.

Spurs will NEVER win a trophy under levy. Certainly not a significant one, it’s simply not in Enics ambitions.

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comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
23 years, one trophy

You simply cannot compare us to Liverpool, Arsenal etc

They e all won multiple trophies during your man levy’s reign

Levy’s genius is his ability to always convince some people that we’re just a season away from success

Just a couple more transfer windows, just wait for the new stadium or wait until we move to Stratford

I used to fall for it. Not anymore. Levy is a fraud.
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You are not allowed any legitimate grievances against Levy, the sites federal prosecutor Devon will faaacking cry otherwise.

1 trophy in 23 years, we should fall at the feet of Levy and kiss them to show our gratitude whilst he sneers at us telling us we’re not worthy.

All hail dear leader
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Don’t really care what Devonshire posts. I feel sorry for him really.

When I started supporting spurs, my grandad and dad used to tell me about all the trophies they watched spurs win.

I’ll be able to tell my grandkids about all the net profit I watched us attain.

Spurs will NEVER win a trophy under levy. Certainly not a significant one, it’s simply not in Enics ambitions.
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What a story to tell though, that time we had the lowest wages to turnover in the league and still qualified for the CL - the hairs on my neck are standing up