I think this is being made into a bigger issue than it is. Ederson has cost City points and Alisson has cost Liverpool points but no one is calling for them to be replaced

I didn't agree with dropping Ramsdale but nor do I agree with dropping Raya now. Statistically we have the best defence in the league along with Liverpool and Newcastle, and changing the keeper again will just cause more instability.

comment by Zein Mayassi (U21076)
posted 1 minute ago
I think this is being made into a bigger issue than it is. Ederson has cost City points and Alisson has cost Liverpool points but no one is calling for them to be replaced

I didn't agree with dropping Ramsdale but nor do I agree with dropping Raya now. Statistically we have the best defence in the league along with Liverpool and Newcastle, and changing the keeper again will just cause more instability.
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I take your point but Ramsdale's problems were lapses - Raya's are symptomatic of his weaknesses and I don't they'll improve. We already know Ramsdale is the better shot stopper and better at dealing with high balls so why not at least swap him in to reduce the risk of repeat occurrences from Raya?

It's a messy situation. Raya clearly came here on guarantees of being number one but over a keeper who did little wrong and is a fan favourite.

So far I'd keep Ramsdale over Raya as there's nothing between them keeping wise and I rate Ramsdale's presence more..

Raya might be a better passer of the ball but we don't play risky balls from defence, we tend to keep control and play safer passes until the last moment. So that's not going to be utilised unless Arteta's tactics change.

You can't complain results wise though and if Arteta's methods take us to a title he'll be vindicated.

To me, he should have at the very least made Ramsdale his "cup keeper".

I think it was significant that Arteta did not rule out a January transfer and mentioned Newcastle by name.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
I think it was significant that Arteta did not rule out a January transfer and mentioned Newcastle by name.
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I'd rather we loan him out if he's unhappy (completely legitimate if he is, almost any pro would be with the way he's been treated).

Long term obviously he'd need to leave permanently for his own careers sake should there be no way back but Raya may end up performing too poorly to keep and Ramsdale is still young enough to keep improving.

We are going to have 2 new keepers come summer of 2025 I bet. For no reason rather than Arteta's stubbornness. He wanted Raya in 2020 and apparently was still carrying a flame for him so when he became available, he did not think twice. Also, the gk coach is to blame too as it's nepotism that resulted in Raya being here.

Arteta has a stubborn streak (Willian and Havertz), a ruthless streak (Tavares, Lokonga etc) and so many inconsistencies. As good as he is, I'd hate working for a guy like that as I'd never know where I stood

Na Arteta loves Ramsdale mate

comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
I think it was significant that Arteta did not rule out a January transfer and mentioned Newcastle by name.
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I'd rather we loan him out if he's unhappy (completely legitimate if he is, almost any pro would be with the way he's been treated).

Long term obviously he'd need to leave permanently for his own careers sake should there be no way back but Raya may end up performing too poorly to keep and Ramsdale is still young enough to keep improving.
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Depends on if they need the ffp space to buy Toney. If that's not an issue, I would keep him to see if he develops, unless of course he has burned his bridges in his private meetings with Arteta.

comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
We are going to have 2 new keepers come summer of 2025 I bet. For no reason rather than Arteta's stubbornness. He wanted Raya in 2020 and apparently was still carrying a flame for him so when he became available, he did not think twice. Also, the gk coach is to blame too as it's nepotism that resulted in Raya being here.

Arteta has a stubborn streak (Willian and Havertz), a ruthless streak (Tavares, Lokonga etc) and so many inconsistencies. As good as he is, I'd hate working for a guy like that as I'd never know where I stood
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Aren't we starting to be rewarded for his backing of Havertz?

We aren't privy to everything that goes on but I think Arteta has got a lot more things right than wrong. Yes he makes decisions that upset us because we are fans who have our own favourites but ultimately he makes what he thinks are the best calls for the club.

With the goalkeeping situation, it's hard, Ramsdale has a great connection with the fans, the players and put in some tremendous performances. On the OP, he's not done any of this out of hate, he's done what he thinks is the best thing for the club and brought in a goalkeeper who he thinks is better. The stats backed this up last season, on pretty much everything, even dealing with crosses and high balls.

comment by Emile Death Rowe (TCM) (U8959)
posted 2 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
We are going to have 2 new keepers come summer of 2025 I bet. For no reason rather than Arteta's stubbornness. He wanted Raya in 2020 and apparently was still carrying a flame for him so when he became available, he did not think twice. Also, the gk coach is to blame too as it's nepotism that resulted in Raya being here.

Arteta has a stubborn streak (Willian and Havertz), a ruthless streak (Tavares, Lokonga etc) and so many inconsistencies. As good as he is, I'd hate working for a guy like that as I'd never know where I stood
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Aren't we starting to be rewarded for his backing of Havertz?

We aren't privy to everything that goes on but I think Arteta has got a lot more things right than wrong. Yes he makes decisions that upset us because we are fans who have our own favourites but ultimately he makes what he thinks are the best calls for the club.

With the goalkeeping situation, it's hard, Ramsdale has a great connection with the fans, the players and put in some tremendous performances. On the OP, he's not done any of this out of hate, he's done what he thinks is the best thing for the club and brought in a goalkeeper who he thinks is better. The stats backed this up last season, on pretty much everything, even dealing with crosses and high balls.
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The Havertz thing...jury is still out. He just had his best game for us BUT, watching him at Chelsea here and there, he never was convincing. He was never a player I looked at and thought he will always have an impact. He seems to have one great game in 5 or 6 and for 65m, not worth it. If we had paid 20m for him, I'd be ok. We'll know if he was a success and worth the money in time.

Stats...stats are notoriously misleading. We play differently to Brentford. Watching Raya make mistakes after mistakes, I can honestly say, Ramsdale is better at commanding his area and shot stopping which to me are what a goalie is for 1st and foremost. Raya is better with his feet but Ramsdale over 2 years has been very solid with his feet that I don't think he is a detriment.

Also..stats show that Onana is the 2nd best goalie so far this season....yet we all know he has been so bad. I saw stats that Raya ranked better than Ramsdale at save percentage last year...the same chart had Ederson 5 or 6 spots below Ramsdale. Yet we all know Ederson is the better of all 3. So yeah..stats..meh. Raya does not pass the eye test for me.

Havertz has been playing very well for the last 4 to 5 games and is now assisting/scoring as well. You have to be a real hater not to give him some props. How he played at Chelsea is irrelevant because Havertz plays in midfield for Arsenal.

And who doesn't cost £50m+ these days? Do you think Caicedo is worth £115m? or Grealish worth £100m? I could name almost every player at Chelsea or Man Utd.

I would like to get rid of Inaki, wasn't he the one that recommended Runnersson?

Our defence being done by Andros Townsend and Ross Barkley is a disgrace

It definitely seems like they have fallen out.