Liverpool are not great defensively, and this will ultimately cost them the title.
Liverpool & Arsenal have conceded the same amount of goals though?
It will be Liverpool v City for the title.
There would have been too many corrupt decisions going against Arsenal and for City and Liverpool
CORRUPTION RULES
"Officials have decided not to give anything in our favour due to them feeling attacked."
"[Liverpool] kicked up such a fuss that officials are literally scared to give anything against them."
"Whatever the reason is, one strategy used by Liverpool seemed to have helped them but same strategy used by Arsenal has gone against them."
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How to explain this? Same officials, just different days? Is bipolar disorder a prerequisite for becoming a PL ref? Or are you perhaps looking at the situation through one eye only?
The ref in the Liverpool game got the key calls right today, including winding back the play nearly two minutes to award a penalty against them.
The second yellow was harsh, but the player gave the ref a decision to make.
In their previous game they had a couple of 50/50 calls go their way. Pretty standard procedure for a big team playing one of the minnows of the division.
Villa player should've received a red for a nasty off-the-ball elbow, but it's a fleeting moment that afaik has only shown up on angle, and I don't even know if that was a tv camera or whether it was available in the VAR room.
The disallowed goal was a bummer and I'd have been annoyed if it had gone against my team, but I kinda gave up on trying to interpret the handball rule any more, because they've fiddled and keep fiddling with it so much that I can't really be bothered any more.
IOAG
The thing is Arsenal have had too many of these big decisions go against them. Similar decisions that have been given to other teams around us have not been given to us. Elbow today and on Jorginho vs Newcastle being two blatant examples.
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IOAG
The thing is Arsenal have had too many of these big decisions go against them. Similar decisions that have been given to other teams around us have not been given to us. Elbow today and on Jorginho vs Newcastle being two blatant examples.
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Well, I don't follow closely enough to say how many good or bad decisions you've had, but every fan base seems to think that decisions either go against them or, at the best of times, are neutral and some kind of karmic payback that they were owed anyway. You rarely hear a fan say "Yeah, my team gets more decisions for than against."
Taking this back to Arteta, though, I might be misremembering, but the day he threw the toys out the pram, I think I recall a number of people saying he was bleating about calls that hadn't actually been wrong?
Even as an Arsenal fan I'm not buying the bias argument. For me it's all just incompetence and a general poor standard of refereeing. Frankly I don't even know what is or isn't handball these days.
comment by Zein Mayassi (U21076)
posted 7 seconds ago
Frankly I don't even know what is or isn't handball these days.
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I genuinely gave up trying to keep track of it at the start of last season.
Taking this back to Arteta, though, I might be misremembering, but the day he threw the toys out the pram, I think I recall a number of people saying he was bleating about calls that hadn't actually been wrong?
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Everyone has an opinion, but again it’s one of those decisions VAR messed up on and Arteta was rightly furious about it. Every manager in the league would’ve felt hard done by if went against them.
I don’t think Arteta has helped himself in this regard.
What is the difference?
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Liverpool fans sending death threats to the refs?
Chelsea - blatant handball by Jackson arm away from body going towards the ball, stops a goal, no penalty.
Bournemouth - MacAllister sent off, rescinded. Luckily no points dropped despite the incorrect decision.
Spurs - Jota sent off for two yellows, one he doesn't even touch the player but is running behind him. Jones sent off for trying to dribble and foot slipping over the top of the ball. VAR shows referee one still, as he looks at the monitor, simply of the contact and not the context of the contact. Clearly onside goal given as offside, they're not able to go back and fix it after realising mistake, yet they were able to stop the game and go back and give a penalty to Palace, nearly two minutes after it happened against Liverpool(correct decision). Apology issued but no use to anybody as three points dropped in only defeat of the season. Getting a massive payday from City's owners a few days previous, when nearly the whole officiating team for the Spurs game, including the shambolic VAR official, were invited to referee a game and given the superstar treatment, in UAE, surely would have softened the blow to the officials for these 'errors'. Shocking that these events are against Spurs again after the last disaster where Jota was denied a clear penalty, Kane escaped a red card for a two footed lunge and Robertson was sent off for kicking a player too hard when swinging for the ball.
Throughout PL history the best teams have got the most penalties. Liverpool are 9th in regards to penalties awarded, since Klopp took over, yet second in regards to average league position.
Not great defensively despite conceding least goals in the league even after referees making errors with three red cards(four red cards given already this season having topped the fair play table 5 seasons in a row and being near the top in other seasons under Klopp) and overall playing with less than eleven players on three occasions(one of those occasions when VVD red carded against Newcastle, despite winning the ball and despite it being a bit harsh, by the letter of the law a red and rightly was banned for an extra game for his behaviour towards the ref after the red) with one of those occasions being with less than ten players. Also impressive considering already played City, Brighton, Spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle away(9 of 16 games so far for Liverpool have been away, 8 each for Arsenal, having so far played Villa Newcastle and Chelsea away with the other big games at home, such as United and City).
The facts appear to be very different to your statements, which leads me to believe, despite not seeing most of Arsenal's games that this is also the case for these so called incorrect decisions against Arsenal you're claiming.
Wolves have had even worse decisions against them than Arsenal.
Their manager and other managers need to get together snd call VAR out and refs
Why do Arsenal fans cry after every defeat and blame anyone but themselves, especially the the match officials?
It never ceases to amaze me how fans can deluded themselves into believing that referees are biased against their club.
It’s even more astounding when it comes from fans of the biggest clubs in the UK and indeed Europe.
Absolutely absurd.
Might dip in and out!
How are you?
Good to have you back Winston.
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Good to have you back Winston.
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Cheers mate, hope all is well.
comment by LAMCAM 🧿Liverpool🧿 (U18537)
posted 5 hours, 7 minutes ago
Why do Arsenal fans cry after every defeat and blame anyone but themselves, especially the the match officials?
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Well our 2 league defeats this season have been due to very controversial decisions. I have no complaints about our defeats last season to Man City both home and away, Brighton and Forest. Despite us apparently always crying we have never asked for a game to be replayed.
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comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 3 minutes ago
Good to have you back Winston.
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Cheers mate, hope all is well.
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Yes mate it is, hope the same at your end.
The ref in the Liverpool game got the key calls right today, including winding back the play nearly two minutes to award a penalty against them.
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Exactly. How often do you see a ref stop play without the ball going out of play so he can have a look at something that happened two minutes ago on the pitch side monitor?
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
The ref in the Liverpool game got the key calls right today, including winding back the play nearly two minutes to award a penalty against them.
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Exactly. How often do you see a ref stop play without the ball going out of play so he can have a look at something that happened two minutes ago on the pitch side monitor?
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I was on the match thread and to a man everyone agreed with the decision.
Terrible article, the refs aren't bias they're incompetent.
With all the bad calls for all teams I'm starting to believe that everything actually does even out
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 7 minutes ago
Terrible article, the refs aren't bias they're incompetent.
With all the bad calls for all teams I'm starting to believe that everything actually does even out
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Oh yes that right, when it’s Arsenal, it’s incompetence and it all evens out, but when it’s United or Liverpool or to a lesser extent, Leeds, it’s clear favoritism leading to season defining success/failure
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posted on 9/12/23
Liverpool are not great defensively, and this will ultimately cost them the title.
Liverpool & Arsenal have conceded the same amount of goals though?
posted on 9/12/23
It will be Liverpool v City for the title.
There would have been too many corrupt decisions going against Arsenal and for City and Liverpool
CORRUPTION RULES
posted on 9/12/23
posted on 9/12/23
"Officials have decided not to give anything in our favour due to them feeling attacked."
"[Liverpool] kicked up such a fuss that officials are literally scared to give anything against them."
"Whatever the reason is, one strategy used by Liverpool seemed to have helped them but same strategy used by Arsenal has gone against them."
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How to explain this? Same officials, just different days? Is bipolar disorder a prerequisite for becoming a PL ref? Or are you perhaps looking at the situation through one eye only?
The ref in the Liverpool game got the key calls right today, including winding back the play nearly two minutes to award a penalty against them.
The second yellow was harsh, but the player gave the ref a decision to make.
In their previous game they had a couple of 50/50 calls go their way. Pretty standard procedure for a big team playing one of the minnows of the division.
Villa player should've received a red for a nasty off-the-ball elbow, but it's a fleeting moment that afaik has only shown up on angle, and I don't even know if that was a tv camera or whether it was available in the VAR room.
The disallowed goal was a bummer and I'd have been annoyed if it had gone against my team, but I kinda gave up on trying to interpret the handball rule any more, because they've fiddled and keep fiddling with it so much that I can't really be bothered any more.
posted on 9/12/23
IOAG
The thing is Arsenal have had too many of these big decisions go against them. Similar decisions that have been given to other teams around us have not been given to us. Elbow today and on Jorginho vs Newcastle being two blatant examples.
posted on 9/12/23
comment by 50 No longer trusting the process (U1147)
posted 17 seconds ago
IOAG
The thing is Arsenal have had too many of these big decisions go against them. Similar decisions that have been given to other teams around us have not been given to us. Elbow today and on Jorginho vs Newcastle being two blatant examples.
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Well, I don't follow closely enough to say how many good or bad decisions you've had, but every fan base seems to think that decisions either go against them or, at the best of times, are neutral and some kind of karmic payback that they were owed anyway. You rarely hear a fan say "Yeah, my team gets more decisions for than against."
Taking this back to Arteta, though, I might be misremembering, but the day he threw the toys out the pram, I think I recall a number of people saying he was bleating about calls that hadn't actually been wrong?
posted on 9/12/23
Even as an Arsenal fan I'm not buying the bias argument. For me it's all just incompetence and a general poor standard of refereeing. Frankly I don't even know what is or isn't handball these days.
posted on 9/12/23
comment by Zein Mayassi (U21076)
posted 7 seconds ago
Frankly I don't even know what is or isn't handball these days.
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I genuinely gave up trying to keep track of it at the start of last season.
posted on 9/12/23
Taking this back to Arteta, though, I might be misremembering, but the day he threw the toys out the pram, I think I recall a number of people saying he was bleating about calls that hadn't actually been wrong?
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Everyone has an opinion, but again it’s one of those decisions VAR messed up on and Arteta was rightly furious about it. Every manager in the league would’ve felt hard done by if went against them.
posted on 9/12/23
I don’t think Arteta has helped himself in this regard.
posted on 9/12/23
What is the difference?
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Liverpool fans sending death threats to the refs?
posted on 10/12/23
Chelsea - blatant handball by Jackson arm away from body going towards the ball, stops a goal, no penalty.
Bournemouth - MacAllister sent off, rescinded. Luckily no points dropped despite the incorrect decision.
Spurs - Jota sent off for two yellows, one he doesn't even touch the player but is running behind him. Jones sent off for trying to dribble and foot slipping over the top of the ball. VAR shows referee one still, as he looks at the monitor, simply of the contact and not the context of the contact. Clearly onside goal given as offside, they're not able to go back and fix it after realising mistake, yet they were able to stop the game and go back and give a penalty to Palace, nearly two minutes after it happened against Liverpool(correct decision). Apology issued but no use to anybody as three points dropped in only defeat of the season. Getting a massive payday from City's owners a few days previous, when nearly the whole officiating team for the Spurs game, including the shambolic VAR official, were invited to referee a game and given the superstar treatment, in UAE, surely would have softened the blow to the officials for these 'errors'. Shocking that these events are against Spurs again after the last disaster where Jota was denied a clear penalty, Kane escaped a red card for a two footed lunge and Robertson was sent off for kicking a player too hard when swinging for the ball.
Throughout PL history the best teams have got the most penalties. Liverpool are 9th in regards to penalties awarded, since Klopp took over, yet second in regards to average league position.
Not great defensively despite conceding least goals in the league even after referees making errors with three red cards(four red cards given already this season having topped the fair play table 5 seasons in a row and being near the top in other seasons under Klopp) and overall playing with less than eleven players on three occasions(one of those occasions when VVD red carded against Newcastle, despite winning the ball and despite it being a bit harsh, by the letter of the law a red and rightly was banned for an extra game for his behaviour towards the ref after the red) with one of those occasions being with less than ten players. Also impressive considering already played City, Brighton, Spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle away(9 of 16 games so far for Liverpool have been away, 8 each for Arsenal, having so far played Villa Newcastle and Chelsea away with the other big games at home, such as United and City).
The facts appear to be very different to your statements, which leads me to believe, despite not seeing most of Arsenal's games that this is also the case for these so called incorrect decisions against Arsenal you're claiming.
posted on 10/12/23
Wolves have had even worse decisions against them than Arsenal.
Their manager and other managers need to get together snd call VAR out and refs
posted on 10/12/23
Why do Arsenal fans cry after every defeat and blame anyone but themselves, especially the the match officials?
posted on 10/12/23
It never ceases to amaze me how fans can deluded themselves into believing that referees are biased against their club.
It’s even more astounding when it comes from fans of the biggest clubs in the UK and indeed Europe.
Absolutely absurd.
posted on 10/12/23
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Might dip in and out!
How are you?
posted on 10/12/23
Good to have you back Winston.
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Good to have you back Winston.
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Cheers mate, hope all is well.
posted on 10/12/23
comment by LAMCAM 🧿Liverpool🧿 (U18537)
posted 5 hours, 7 minutes ago
Why do Arsenal fans cry after every defeat and blame anyone but themselves, especially the the match officials?
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Well our 2 league defeats this season have been due to very controversial decisions. I have no complaints about our defeats last season to Man City both home and away, Brighton and Forest. Despite us apparently always crying we have never asked for a game to be replayed.
posted on 10/12/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 3 minutes ago
Good to have you back Winston.
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Cheers mate, hope all is well.
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Yes mate it is, hope the same at your end.
posted on 10/12/23
The ref in the Liverpool game got the key calls right today, including winding back the play nearly two minutes to award a penalty against them.
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Exactly. How often do you see a ref stop play without the ball going out of play so he can have a look at something that happened two minutes ago on the pitch side monitor?
posted on 10/12/23
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
The ref in the Liverpool game got the key calls right today, including winding back the play nearly two minutes to award a penalty against them.
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Exactly. How often do you see a ref stop play without the ball going out of play so he can have a look at something that happened two minutes ago on the pitch side monitor?
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I was on the match thread and to a man everyone agreed with the decision.
posted on 10/12/23
Terrible article, the refs aren't bias they're incompetent.
With all the bad calls for all teams I'm starting to believe that everything actually does even out
posted on 10/12/23
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 7 minutes ago
Terrible article, the refs aren't bias they're incompetent.
With all the bad calls for all teams I'm starting to believe that everything actually does even out
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Oh yes that right, when it’s Arsenal, it’s incompetence and it all evens out, but when it’s United or Liverpool or to a lesser extent, Leeds, it’s clear favoritism leading to season defining success/failure
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