OP, feel like I am watching you and the penny is dropping for you
Times are hard is it?
yeah you could say that.
Death by a thousand cuts!
No, it is a process. No team is where they are now without years of work. You can buy all the players you want but you have to mould a team and that takes tome and something most seem to lack, patience.
The reason most Chelsea fans lack patience is because they are used to your previous ownership's style of firing managers left right and centre, and chucking loads of money at ready made stars to solve their problems.
Most owners in the football pyramid can't do this because they don't have billions to just throw away, and, like most sensible businessmen, actually want to see a financial return on their Investments, but Chelsea fans just aren't used to this after their lottery win.
JF, patience?
Im happy with being 10th , but comforted in the knowledge that we have a squad which can compete despite of a significant injury list.
All i personally seek, is consistency.
Come on , time imo for us to take our blue tinted glasses off & stop making excuses.
The time and numbers speak for themselves.
Mate i would appreciate that if the ownership had spent/ invested a fraction of 1.1bln. let's say 500m & gone through let's say 2 managers.
Process ?
What process has gone on at Newcastle, Villa, Brighton and even with our buddies at 3 point lane ? & at what cost ?
We are nearing the season midway point, my view currently we are a poor team, with a talented group of individuals, I live in the hope that by the end of this season, we will be a consistent decent team playing with confidence, irrespective of where we finish.
Imo its not about patience, its time to stop with the excuses
You were saying Simon.
The reason most Chelsea fans lack patience is because they are used to your previous ownership's style of firing managers left right and centre, and chucking loads of money at ready made stars to solve their problems.
Most owners in the football pyramid can't do this because they don't have billions to just throw away, and, like most sensible businessmen, actually want to see a financial return on their Investments, but Chelsea fans just aren't used to this after their lottery win.
Are you actually reading the text ?
I think you have missed the point
Simon,
Just for clarity, my view is the ownership have thrown a huge amount of money at the club and wasted it.
I would have preferred they spent a 3rd of what they have spent and we did grow organically.
If your still not clear about my opinions , then take five minutes and check out my published articles and you will get a clear picture of my views.
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posted 5 minutes ago
JF, patience?
Im happy with being 10th , but comforted in the knowledge that we have a squad which can compete despite of a significant injury list.
All i personally seek, is consistency.
Come on , time imo for us to take our blue tinted glasses off & stop making excuses.
The time and numbers speak for themselves.
Mate i would appreciate that if the ownership had spent/ invested a fraction of 1.1bln. let's say 500m& gone through let's say 2 managers.
Process ?
What process has gone on at Newcastle, Villa, Brighton and even with our buddies at 3 point lane ? & at what cost ?
We are nearing the season midway point, my view currently we are a poor team, with a talented group of individuals, I live in the hope that by the end of this season, we will be a consistent decent team playing with confidence, irrespective of where we finish.
Imo its not about patience, its time to stop with the excuses
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There will always be a process, there will always be excuses, there will always be a lack of patience from many, if not most. Consistency requires training, practice, repetition and time (probably a few more things too), thats the process. You can take 8 strangers with no military experience and turn them into a decent section this way, but it never happens over night. Building teams takes time, there can be exceptions like we have had in the past. If you have hugely experienced remembers of a team newer members can be brought along more quickly. We have challenges and we will overcome them.
Agreed we will over come
But imo we are where we are, i'm happy to voice my view, after 50 years of this im comfortable with that.
Lets have right, you go Stamford Bridge, the natives are restless.
But in all honesty , considering what they have spent/ invested the club should be in a better position.
Imo they have got it wrong, as i have mentioned look at Newcastle, Villa, Brighton & Spurs.
Just because they have spent what they spent doesnt mean that they have got it right, after 20 months ive seen enough to believe that they have made it a lot more complicated than it necessarily could/ should have been.
They haven't got everything right, I said myself last year was a wasted year.
I am not unhappy with where we are now either.
We are where we should be, that's reality, we could be better positioned, that's opinion.
Some of the natives are restless, some of the natives are pretty fed up with those fans. There have been fisticuffs on numerous occasions due to varied opinions in and around the ground. I have little sympathy for those that moan, but that's just me. Like yourself and a few others on here I have been going a long and enjoyed good and bad times, I once took part in pitch invasions protesting about Mears handling of the club. My only desire is to follow my team.
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No, it is a process. No team is where they are now without years of work. You can buy all the players you want but you have to mould a team and that takes tome and something most seem to lack, patience.
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Trouble is JF...we have become very used to instant success...it's addictive & if we aren't getting a regular fix...well you know...
JF,
Babs & the East stand
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comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, it is a process. No team is where they are now without years of work. You can buy all the players you want but you have to mould a team and that takes tome and something most seem to lack, patience.
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Trouble is JF...we have become very used to instant success...it's addictive & if we aren't getting a regular fix...well you know...
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I have never taken success for granted nor have I got used to it. It never lasts for any team, even undrf Roman thongs were changing and not for the better. I believe we will be capable of challenging again at some point, as have Liverpool, Arsenal, United etc.
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Personally, after the last 20 years with Roman,i know weve had an amazing run.
Nothing lasts for ever, and football goes in cycles.
What Ken bates, Matthew Harding and then Roman built took nearly 50 years.
My issue today is Bohley Clearlake have taken the club back to 94/95 levels of competitiveness and spent 3.5bln , putting the club in debt to a tune of over 1bln in 20 months , due to poor decision making.
Now you may say well what has that got to do with the football, but what they have done will effect the football as it will limit our ability to compete.
Personally after the late 70s, 80s and early 90s the fact CFc was able to compete at a top 4 level for nearly 30 years has been incredible, i consider myself fortunate.
To see that momentum brought crashing down for no good reason is what infuriates me.
look if we got took over by a group who couldnt invest and we were where we were , not table position wise , but as a club i would comfortable with that.
But this is unnecessary imo.
The very least after the time and investment i currently would expect us to have a side that was consistent, settled, progressing and competitive, irrespective of our position.
We have huge challenges to overcome with FFP, personally i hope we get the FFP issue for incomplete reporting under Roman done this season and get the probable 12 point done.
But the possible FFP issue looming due to the way these guys restructured the club currently feels like a hiding to no where , whilst these guys clumsily stomp around in their Gucci loafers.
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comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
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comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, it is a process. No team is where they are now without years of work. You can buy all the players you want but you have to mould a team and that takes tome and something most seem to lack, patience.
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Trouble is JF...we have become very used to instant success...it's addictive & if we aren't getting a regular fix...well you know...
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I have never taken success for granted nor have I got used to it. It never lasts for any team, even undrf Roman thongs were changing and not for the better. I believe we will be capable of challenging again at some point, as have Liverpool, Arsenal, United etc.
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Neither do I but we had a hell of a run...and it gets to be expected weve had a plethora of top managers which has helped...Frank was obviously out of his depth as was Potter...ive currently seen little to impress me with Poch either
Bring in Simeone i say
Yeah , i would see Simeone at Cfc
I remember when bring back Jose was the rallying cry. Pep would take a while to sort us out now.
I don't entirely blame the owners either, the end of Romans final season was not pretty. It is also worth remembering that Roman selected these guys yo drive us forward.
Yeah
Agreed that After 2017, Roman did seem to take his eye off the ball, literally with the squad.
Personally, a lot of the poor transfer decisions happened whilst Maria Granaski was in charge.
Tbf,the squad was in a highly dysfunctional state when the club was sold.
I think the visa thing did put his nose out of joint.
As i recollect the club under Roman said that at the10 year point , the club would be run within FFP compliance.
Which i believe it was ( bar the incomplete reporting between 2012 > 2019 , for fees paid) whoopps!
No hiding from the fact that theses owners have made us a laughing stock in world football. A top 4 team becomes relegation fodder after spending a billion.
Imo , the issue is the owners have come in , they have restructured the club, wage bill, contracts, & squad.
They have spent / invested an unprecedented 1.1 bln on bringing new players, on the 4th manager in 20 months.
The result is they have focused first on youth prospect player banking opposed to ensuring that the club maintains its ability to compete at a top 4 level.
We have a huge bloated squad of 30 available players, but we are light in strength, depth, experience & leadership.
We may have many talented prospects, but we dont have 24 players who can maintain a top end of the league level of competitiveness 6th to 4th place, irrespective of who is injured.
That is where we seem to be at, hopefully we will improve and finish the season stronger, building a spine.
Where we finish is not important, imo, its how we finish the season.
Imo, to state this is not being impatient, it just simply recognising where we are as we come to the midway point of the season.
COY Blues
Biggest reason for our position is injuries, has been for the last 3 years with far and away the most injuries to key players of any team in the league and Europe.
That cannot be understated.
Past that, I feel the opposite, I think we have been well coached (certainly under tuchel, and now under poch) but repeatedly miss huge chances.
We have the most big chances missed in the league this year and over the last 3 years have had werner, havertz, jackson, sterling and others missing for fun.
Nick, im not even in disagreement regarding the coaching.
For the life of me, im dumb struck as why the club did not balance the buying ensuring we do have enough strength in depth, experience and leaders in the dressing room to get the younger players through the difficult times as they progress.
Personally i would have preferred that they had brought in 2/3 players who were experienced in the EPL , who could take a game by the scruff of neck and set the standard.
Call me old fashioned
I was calling for maddison and JWP signings too. Whatever metric our scouting team are using, its not paid off yet thats for sure
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posted on 17/12/23
OP, feel like I am watching you and the penny is dropping for you
Times are hard is it?
posted on 17/12/23
yeah you could say that.
Death by a thousand cuts!
posted on 17/12/23
No, it is a process. No team is where they are now without years of work. You can buy all the players you want but you have to mould a team and that takes tome and something most seem to lack, patience.
posted on 17/12/23
The reason most Chelsea fans lack patience is because they are used to your previous ownership's style of firing managers left right and centre, and chucking loads of money at ready made stars to solve their problems.
Most owners in the football pyramid can't do this because they don't have billions to just throw away, and, like most sensible businessmen, actually want to see a financial return on their Investments, but Chelsea fans just aren't used to this after their lottery win.
posted on 17/12/23
JF, patience?
Im happy with being 10th , but comforted in the knowledge that we have a squad which can compete despite of a significant injury list.
All i personally seek, is consistency.
Come on , time imo for us to take our blue tinted glasses off & stop making excuses.
The time and numbers speak for themselves.
Mate i would appreciate that if the ownership had spent/ invested a fraction of 1.1bln. let's say 500m & gone through let's say 2 managers.
Process ?
What process has gone on at Newcastle, Villa, Brighton and even with our buddies at 3 point lane ? & at what cost ?
We are nearing the season midway point, my view currently we are a poor team, with a talented group of individuals, I live in the hope that by the end of this season, we will be a consistent decent team playing with confidence, irrespective of where we finish.
Imo its not about patience, its time to stop with the excuses
posted on 17/12/23
You were saying Simon.
The reason most Chelsea fans lack patience is because they are used to your previous ownership's style of firing managers left right and centre, and chucking loads of money at ready made stars to solve their problems.
Most owners in the football pyramid can't do this because they don't have billions to just throw away, and, like most sensible businessmen, actually want to see a financial return on their Investments, but Chelsea fans just aren't used to this after their lottery win.
Are you actually reading the text ?
I think you have missed the point
posted on 17/12/23
Simon,
Just for clarity, my view is the ownership have thrown a huge amount of money at the club and wasted it.
I would have preferred they spent a 3rd of what they have spent and we did grow organically.
If your still not clear about my opinions , then take five minutes and check out my published articles and you will get a clear picture of my views.
posted on 17/12/23
comment by ifarka, (B-C- out) (U8182)
posted 5 minutes ago
JF, patience?
Im happy with being 10th , but comforted in the knowledge that we have a squad which can compete despite of a significant injury list.
All i personally seek, is consistency.
Come on , time imo for us to take our blue tinted glasses off & stop making excuses.
The time and numbers speak for themselves.
Mate i would appreciate that if the ownership had spent/ invested a fraction of 1.1bln. let's say 500m& gone through let's say 2 managers.
Process ?
What process has gone on at Newcastle, Villa, Brighton and even with our buddies at 3 point lane ? & at what cost ?
We are nearing the season midway point, my view currently we are a poor team, with a talented group of individuals, I live in the hope that by the end of this season, we will be a consistent decent team playing with confidence, irrespective of where we finish.
Imo its not about patience, its time to stop with the excuses
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There will always be a process, there will always be excuses, there will always be a lack of patience from many, if not most. Consistency requires training, practice, repetition and time (probably a few more things too), thats the process. You can take 8 strangers with no military experience and turn them into a decent section this way, but it never happens over night. Building teams takes time, there can be exceptions like we have had in the past. If you have hugely experienced remembers of a team newer members can be brought along more quickly. We have challenges and we will overcome them.
posted on 17/12/23
Agreed we will over come
But imo we are where we are, i'm happy to voice my view, after 50 years of this im comfortable with that.
Lets have right, you go Stamford Bridge, the natives are restless.
But in all honesty , considering what they have spent/ invested the club should be in a better position.
Imo they have got it wrong, as i have mentioned look at Newcastle, Villa, Brighton & Spurs.
Just because they have spent what they spent doesnt mean that they have got it right, after 20 months ive seen enough to believe that they have made it a lot more complicated than it necessarily could/ should have been.
posted on 17/12/23
They haven't got everything right, I said myself last year was a wasted year.
I am not unhappy with where we are now either.
We are where we should be, that's reality, we could be better positioned, that's opinion.
Some of the natives are restless, some of the natives are pretty fed up with those fans. There have been fisticuffs on numerous occasions due to varied opinions in and around the ground. I have little sympathy for those that moan, but that's just me. Like yourself and a few others on here I have been going a long and enjoyed good and bad times, I once took part in pitch invasions protesting about Mears handling of the club. My only desire is to follow my team.
posted on 17/12/23
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, it is a process. No team is where they are now without years of work. You can buy all the players you want but you have to mould a team and that takes tome and something most seem to lack, patience.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Trouble is JF...we have become very used to instant success...it's addictive & if we aren't getting a regular fix...well you know...
posted on 17/12/23
JF,
Babs & the East stand
posted on 17/12/23
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, it is a process. No team is where they are now without years of work. You can buy all the players you want but you have to mould a team and that takes tome and something most seem to lack, patience.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Trouble is JF...we have become very used to instant success...it's addictive & if we aren't getting a regular fix...well you know...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have never taken success for granted nor have I got used to it. It never lasts for any team, even undrf Roman thongs were changing and not for the better. I believe we will be capable of challenging again at some point, as have Liverpool, Arsenal, United etc.
posted on 17/12/23
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posted on 17/12/23
Personally, after the last 20 years with Roman,i know weve had an amazing run.
Nothing lasts for ever, and football goes in cycles.
What Ken bates, Matthew Harding and then Roman built took nearly 50 years.
My issue today is Bohley Clearlake have taken the club back to 94/95 levels of competitiveness and spent 3.5bln , putting the club in debt to a tune of over 1bln in 20 months , due to poor decision making.
Now you may say well what has that got to do with the football, but what they have done will effect the football as it will limit our ability to compete.
Personally after the late 70s, 80s and early 90s the fact CFc was able to compete at a top 4 level for nearly 30 years has been incredible, i consider myself fortunate.
To see that momentum brought crashing down for no good reason is what infuriates me.
look if we got took over by a group who couldnt invest and we were where we were , not table position wise , but as a club i would comfortable with that.
But this is unnecessary imo.
The very least after the time and investment i currently would expect us to have a side that was consistent, settled, progressing and competitive, irrespective of our position.
We have huge challenges to overcome with FFP, personally i hope we get the FFP issue for incomplete reporting under Roman done this season and get the probable 12 point done.
But the possible FFP issue looming due to the way these guys restructured the club currently feels like a hiding to no where , whilst these guys clumsily stomp around in their Gucci loafers.
posted on 17/12/23
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
No, it is a process. No team is where they are now without years of work. You can buy all the players you want but you have to mould a team and that takes tome and something most seem to lack, patience.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Trouble is JF...we have become very used to instant success...it's addictive & if we aren't getting a regular fix...well you know...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have never taken success for granted nor have I got used to it. It never lasts for any team, even undrf Roman thongs were changing and not for the better. I believe we will be capable of challenging again at some point, as have Liverpool, Arsenal, United etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Neither do I but we had a hell of a run...and it gets to be expected weve had a plethora of top managers which has helped...Frank was obviously out of his depth as was Potter...ive currently seen little to impress me with Poch either
Bring in Simeone i say
posted on 17/12/23
Yeah , i would see Simeone at Cfc
posted on 17/12/23
I would love to see*
posted on 17/12/23
I remember when bring back Jose was the rallying cry. Pep would take a while to sort us out now.
I don't entirely blame the owners either, the end of Romans final season was not pretty. It is also worth remembering that Roman selected these guys yo drive us forward.
posted on 17/12/23
Yeah
Agreed that After 2017, Roman did seem to take his eye off the ball, literally with the squad.
Personally, a lot of the poor transfer decisions happened whilst Maria Granaski was in charge.
Tbf,the squad was in a highly dysfunctional state when the club was sold.
I think the visa thing did put his nose out of joint.
As i recollect the club under Roman said that at the10 year point , the club would be run within FFP compliance.
Which i believe it was ( bar the incomplete reporting between 2012 > 2019 , for fees paid) whoopps!
posted on 18/12/23
No hiding from the fact that theses owners have made us a laughing stock in world football. A top 4 team becomes relegation fodder after spending a billion.
posted on 18/12/23
Imo , the issue is the owners have come in , they have restructured the club, wage bill, contracts, & squad.
They have spent / invested an unprecedented 1.1 bln on bringing new players, on the 4th manager in 20 months.
The result is they have focused first on youth prospect player banking opposed to ensuring that the club maintains its ability to compete at a top 4 level.
We have a huge bloated squad of 30 available players, but we are light in strength, depth, experience & leadership.
We may have many talented prospects, but we dont have 24 players who can maintain a top end of the league level of competitiveness 6th to 4th place, irrespective of who is injured.
That is where we seem to be at, hopefully we will improve and finish the season stronger, building a spine.
Where we finish is not important, imo, its how we finish the season.
Imo, to state this is not being impatient, it just simply recognising where we are as we come to the midway point of the season.
COY Blues
posted on 18/12/23
Biggest reason for our position is injuries, has been for the last 3 years with far and away the most injuries to key players of any team in the league and Europe.
That cannot be understated.
Past that, I feel the opposite, I think we have been well coached (certainly under tuchel, and now under poch) but repeatedly miss huge chances.
We have the most big chances missed in the league this year and over the last 3 years have had werner, havertz, jackson, sterling and others missing for fun.
posted on 18/12/23
Nick, im not even in disagreement regarding the coaching.
For the life of me, im dumb struck as why the club did not balance the buying ensuring we do have enough strength in depth, experience and leaders in the dressing room to get the younger players through the difficult times as they progress.
Personally i would have preferred that they had brought in 2/3 players who were experienced in the EPL , who could take a game by the scruff of neck and set the standard.
Call me old fashioned
posted on 18/12/23
I was calling for maddison and JWP signings too. Whatever metric our scouting team are using, its not paid off yet thats for sure
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