not just positive talks, but hiv positive talks
He managed to get us looking good for large parts of last season, so there is some hope for this.
But if that's the case then why keep him? Surely any manager has a way they want to play and will require players with specific attributes to operate it.
We need to have a manager and DoF (or similar role) on the same hymn sheet at least. If we don't get players that do the things the manager wants for his ideas to work then you're surely bound to fail?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
He managed to get us looking good for large parts of last season, so there is some hope for this.
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So did Ole once
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
He managed to get us looking good for large parts of last season, so there is some hope for this.
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So did Ole once
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But they are two different people.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
He managed to get us looking good for large parts of last season, so there is some hope for this.
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So did Ole once
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But they are two different people.
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Remember that next time you say we shouldn’t sack Ten Hag because we gave SAF time
It's a run of the mill statement - I wouldn't expect ETH to say anything else, in the short-term, everyone will be seeing eye to eye.
With regards to transfers, it's only natural that ETH will want some say, but how that would exactly work with any DoF, only time would tell.
But for me, I still can't really see what ETH is trying to do with the team in terms of playing style, regardless of injuries, results etc. It will take an almighty turnaround to get us going in the second half of the season, and as much as I would love it to happen, I just can't see it. I think there will be major changes at the end of the season, and that includes the manager
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
He managed to get us looking good for large parts of last season, so there is some hope for this.
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So did Ole once
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But they are two different people.
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Remember that next time you say we shouldn’t sack Ten Hag because we gave SAF time
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I've just made a note in my new diary.
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
Hi Robb, how's life treating you? We read of some problems, floods etc, in Oz, but I don't think near you.
What are you hoping /expecting from the rest of the season?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
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Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And which era is best?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And which era is best?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In terms of?
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And which era is best?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In terms of?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sacking managers quickly
Remember that next time you say we shouldn’t sack Ten Hag because we gave SAF time
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've just made a note in my new diary.
…..
Brilliant 52.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And which era is best?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In terms of?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sacking managers quickly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone can deny that these days it doesn't take much to sack a manager. However, I do think that people have to accept that having the same manager in place at one club is very rare, given the nature of the job. We had SAF and Wenger, today it is to a lesser extent Pep and Klopp, but that's 4 out of how many? And you only have to look at the Eustace / Rooney situation to realise how ridiculous some decisions are.
And you only have to look at the Eustace / Rooney situation to realise how ridiculous some decisions are.
….
When you look at some of these decisions it just goes to show that there are more inept owners than ours. Them chicken farmers at Blackburn spring to mind.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
And you only have to look at the Eustace / Rooney situation to realise how ridiculous some decisions are.
….
When you look at some of these decisions it just goes to show that there are more inept owners than ours. Them chicken farmers at Blackburn spring to mind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think those chicken farmers could have some money worries from what I've read. But they may turn it around, I don't think it vital just yet.
But if that's the case then why keep him? Surely any manager has a way they want to play and will require players with specific attributes to operate it.
--------------------------------------------
It's difficult to think of a reason why we should keep him at the moment. A lot of the credit he built up last season has been eroded by how tactically stubborn he's been this season and the business we did during the summer. Last summer's recruitment wasn't exactly great either.
The new regime may well decide to part ways if he wants as much control over recruitment as he's had since he arrived. People like Dan Ashworth and Paul Mitchell aren't coming in to not have full control when it comes to philosophy and culture, organisation wide. They may look at bringing in somebody who better aligns with that vision, whatever it is.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 34 minutes ago
However, I do think that people have to accept that having the same manager in place at one club is very rare, given the nature of the job. We had SAF and Wenger, today it is to a lesser extent Pep and Klopp, but that's 4 out of how many? And you only have to look at the Eustace / Rooney situation to realise how ridiculous some decisions are.
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Great point. The club's actually done what pretty much every other club has done.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And which era is best?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In terms of?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sacking managers quickly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone can deny that these days it doesn't take much to sack a manager. However, I do think that people have to accept that having the same manager in place at one club is very rare, given the nature of the job. We had SAF and Wenger, today it is to a lesser extent Pep and Klopp, but that's 4 out of how many? And you only have to look at the Eustace / Rooney situation to realise how ridiculous some decisions are.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brilliant take. We won the lottery with Ferguson.
TRS
Then maybe that is for the best. I wasn’t aware that EtH was given a say on transfers when he took over until the recent news that he wants to keep that role. I’d got the impression it was simply down to how poor we are run that he was having a say (last weeks Athletic article about EtH wanting certain positions looked into before he joined and our recruitment team coming back with nothing kind of goes against this view) but moving forward if we can bring in a proper structure for identifying and buying players then we don’t really want a manager getting involved like that imo.
Truth is whoever we bring in (Mitchell, Ashworth etc) the manager has to match their vision for the club and if EtH doesn’t then he won’t have a future at the club, simple as that.
Wonder if we might have an eye on Bagelsmann this summer. His contract ends with Germany after the Euros.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 44 minutes ago
Wonder if we might have an eye on Bagelsmann this summer. His contract ends with Germany after the Euros.
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He’s one I mentioned a while back and I was surprised his name hadn’t been mentioned more.
We know he plays an exciting brand of football and has done everywhere he’s been. I’d love to see him come in just to so we could observe whether these players can actually be coached to play proper attacking football. If even he can’t get a tune from them then we know it’s not the manager’s fault.
Bagelsmann
Good shout though
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posted on 4/1/24
not just positive talks, but hiv positive talks
posted on 4/1/24
He managed to get us looking good for large parts of last season, so there is some hope for this.
posted on 4/1/24
But if that's the case then why keep him? Surely any manager has a way they want to play and will require players with specific attributes to operate it.
We need to have a manager and DoF (or similar role) on the same hymn sheet at least. If we don't get players that do the things the manager wants for his ideas to work then you're surely bound to fail?
posted on 4/1/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
He managed to get us looking good for large parts of last season, so there is some hope for this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So did Ole once
posted on 4/1/24
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
He managed to get us looking good for large parts of last season, so there is some hope for this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So did Ole once
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But they are two different people.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
He managed to get us looking good for large parts of last season, so there is some hope for this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So did Ole once
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But they are two different people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Remember that next time you say we shouldn’t sack Ten Hag because we gave SAF time
posted on 4/1/24
It's a run of the mill statement - I wouldn't expect ETH to say anything else, in the short-term, everyone will be seeing eye to eye.
With regards to transfers, it's only natural that ETH will want some say, but how that would exactly work with any DoF, only time would tell.
But for me, I still can't really see what ETH is trying to do with the team in terms of playing style, regardless of injuries, results etc. It will take an almighty turnaround to get us going in the second half of the season, and as much as I would love it to happen, I just can't see it. I think there will be major changes at the end of the season, and that includes the manager
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
He managed to get us looking good for large parts of last season, so there is some hope for this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So did Ole once
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But they are two different people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Remember that next time you say we shouldn’t sack Ten Hag because we gave SAF time
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've just made a note in my new diary.
posted on 4/1/24
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
posted on 4/1/24
Hi Robb, how's life treating you? We read of some problems, floods etc, in Oz, but I don't think near you.
What are you hoping /expecting from the rest of the season?
posted on 4/1/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And which era is best?
posted on 4/1/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And which era is best?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In terms of?
posted on 4/1/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And which era is best?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In terms of?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sacking managers quickly
posted on 4/1/24
Remember that next time you say we shouldn’t sack Ten Hag because we gave SAF time
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've just made a note in my new diary.
…..
Brilliant 52.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And which era is best?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In terms of?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sacking managers quickly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone can deny that these days it doesn't take much to sack a manager. However, I do think that people have to accept that having the same manager in place at one club is very rare, given the nature of the job. We had SAF and Wenger, today it is to a lesser extent Pep and Klopp, but that's 4 out of how many? And you only have to look at the Eustace / Rooney situation to realise how ridiculous some decisions are.
posted on 4/1/24
And you only have to look at the Eustace / Rooney situation to realise how ridiculous some decisions are.
….
When you look at some of these decisions it just goes to show that there are more inept owners than ours. Them chicken farmers at Blackburn spring to mind.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
And you only have to look at the Eustace / Rooney situation to realise how ridiculous some decisions are.
….
When you look at some of these decisions it just goes to show that there are more inept owners than ours. Them chicken farmers at Blackburn spring to mind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think those chicken farmers could have some money worries from what I've read. But they may turn it around, I don't think it vital just yet.
posted on 4/1/24
But if that's the case then why keep him? Surely any manager has a way they want to play and will require players with specific attributes to operate it.
--------------------------------------------
It's difficult to think of a reason why we should keep him at the moment. A lot of the credit he built up last season has been eroded by how tactically stubborn he's been this season and the business we did during the summer. Last summer's recruitment wasn't exactly great either.
The new regime may well decide to part ways if he wants as much control over recruitment as he's had since he arrived. People like Dan Ashworth and Paul Mitchell aren't coming in to not have full control when it comes to philosophy and culture, organisation wide. They may look at bringing in somebody who better aligns with that vision, whatever it is.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 34 minutes ago
However, I do think that people have to accept that having the same manager in place at one club is very rare, given the nature of the job. We had SAF and Wenger, today it is to a lesser extent Pep and Klopp, but that's 4 out of how many? And you only have to look at the Eustace / Rooney situation to realise how ridiculous some decisions are.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Great point. The club's actually done what pretty much every other club has done.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Here it is.
We gave SAF time and it paid off. Perhaps it will with ETH
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era, different circumstances. We need to be brutally honest - SAF was of course a great manager, but if he had been sacked no-one would have been that surprised.
And these days, you wouldn't be afforded the same amount of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And which era is best?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In terms of?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sacking managers quickly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone can deny that these days it doesn't take much to sack a manager. However, I do think that people have to accept that having the same manager in place at one club is very rare, given the nature of the job. We had SAF and Wenger, today it is to a lesser extent Pep and Klopp, but that's 4 out of how many? And you only have to look at the Eustace / Rooney situation to realise how ridiculous some decisions are.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brilliant take. We won the lottery with Ferguson.
posted on 4/1/24
TRS
Then maybe that is for the best. I wasn’t aware that EtH was given a say on transfers when he took over until the recent news that he wants to keep that role. I’d got the impression it was simply down to how poor we are run that he was having a say (last weeks Athletic article about EtH wanting certain positions looked into before he joined and our recruitment team coming back with nothing kind of goes against this view) but moving forward if we can bring in a proper structure for identifying and buying players then we don’t really want a manager getting involved like that imo.
Truth is whoever we bring in (Mitchell, Ashworth etc) the manager has to match their vision for the club and if EtH doesn’t then he won’t have a future at the club, simple as that.
posted on 4/1/24
Wonder if we might have an eye on Bagelsmann this summer. His contract ends with Germany after the Euros.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 44 minutes ago
Wonder if we might have an eye on Bagelsmann this summer. His contract ends with Germany after the Euros.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s one I mentioned a while back and I was surprised his name hadn’t been mentioned more.
We know he plays an exciting brand of football and has done everywhere he’s been. I’d love to see him come in just to so we could observe whether these players can actually be coached to play proper attacking football. If even he can’t get a tune from them then we know it’s not the manager’s fault.
posted on 5/1/24
Bagelsmann
Good shout though
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