comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
Jose's achievement was undoubtedly very good but he inherited an already good and very expensive team that had been largely put together by Ranieri. The likes of JT and Lamps had been taught and developed under Ranieri and they ended up being Jose's two most important players, especially in his first season.
Jose had also been backed with as much money as he needed to spend under a very ambitious new owner who was only too happy to get his chequebook out to sign any attainable player in world football, well before the constraints of FFP. Jose walked into a near perfect scenario at Chelsea so I can't rank his achievement as the highest.
Jose's reign is also overshadowed by the fact that he had everything at his disposal that any manager could dream of yet he wasn't able to maintain the success of his Chelsea team beyond three years.
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Sorry superb m8, but this is massively indigenous to Jose - he walked into a good team and made it into the best in the world - could Raniera have done it, maybe but not to the level Jose did, and he's legacy lasted a decade. Other managers had what he had too and couldn't keep anywhere near to the success.
Titles after were won by Jose team, including the 2012 CL. It doesn't excusebhis later behaviour, but that is massively down playing what Jose instilled in the club.
*disingenuous
Stupid autocorrect
Have tbh, even though its my article,I can't decide
Looking purely at achievement and given the circumstances of an ageing team and AVB beforehand I think winning an FA Cup and CL double is the most extraordinary achievement from the list.
Tuchel also extraordinary in my mind. His impact was 8nstant.
But I thinkit is true that Jose changed the mindset of the club and shd take some credit for trophies we won when he wasn't with us.
Objectively Jose
Conte still has a place for me subjectively. I feel like it can’t be understated how much he squeezed out of that squad. It’s in part because I really didn’t rate our squad too at that time and he turned them into such dominant title winners. The only time I’ve seen a routine PL win be seen as a classic game because of how utterly dominant we were (4-0 vs Everton). Although he still has a decent legacy here it’s a shame he didn’t do well in Europe to have further cemented his time with us.
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
Jose's achievement was undoubtedly very good but he inherited an already good and very expensive team that had been largely put together by Ranieri. The likes of JT and Lamps had been taught and developed under Ranieri and they ended up being Jose's two most important players, especially in his first season.
Jose had also been backed with as much money as he needed to spend under a very ambitious new owner who was only too happy to get his chequebook out to sign any attainable player in world football, well before the constraints of FFP. Jose walked into a near perfect scenario at Chelsea so I can't rank his achievement as the highest.
Jose's reign is also overshadowed by the fact that he had everything at his disposal that any manager could dream of yet he wasn't able to maintain the success of his Chelsea team beyond three years.
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Sorry superb m8, but this is massively indigenous to Jose - he walked into a good team and made it into the best in the world - could Raniera have done it, maybe but not to the level Jose did, and he's legacy lasted a decade. Other managers had what he had too and couldn't keep anywhere near to the success.
Titles after were won by Jose team, including the 2012 CL. It doesn't excusebhis later behaviour, but that is massively down playing what Jose instilled in the club.
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I'm definitely not playing it down, in my first sentence I acknowledged that his achievement was very good. Just not the best on the list imo and I gave my reasons why.
And Jose fell short in the CL with us. We can debate why but if we were the best team in the world we should have had a CL to show for it from that three year era. History doesn't remember the semifinalists.
And I agree that Ranieri wouldn't have taken us to the heights that Jose did but Ranieri isn't/wasn't a truly elite manager like Jose was at that time.
comment by Vorsprung durch Poch (U1641)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
Objectively Jose
Conte still has a place for me subjectively. I feel like it can’t be understated how much he squeezed out of that squad. It’s in part because I really didn’t rate our squad too at that time and he turned them into such dominant title winners. The only time I’ve seen a routine PL win be seen as a classic game because of how utterly dominant we were (4-0 vs Everton). Although he still has a decent legacy here it’s a shame he didn’t do well in Europe to have further cemented his time with us.
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He turned Mosesi to a title winner.Says it all about squeezing the best out of a squad 😂
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posted on 8/1/24
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
Jose's achievement was undoubtedly very good but he inherited an already good and very expensive team that had been largely put together by Ranieri. The likes of JT and Lamps had been taught and developed under Ranieri and they ended up being Jose's two most important players, especially in his first season.
Jose had also been backed with as much money as he needed to spend under a very ambitious new owner who was only too happy to get his chequebook out to sign any attainable player in world football, well before the constraints of FFP. Jose walked into a near perfect scenario at Chelsea so I can't rank his achievement as the highest.
Jose's reign is also overshadowed by the fact that he had everything at his disposal that any manager could dream of yet he wasn't able to maintain the success of his Chelsea team beyond three years.
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Sorry superb m8, but this is massively indigenous to Jose - he walked into a good team and made it into the best in the world - could Raniera have done it, maybe but not to the level Jose did, and he's legacy lasted a decade. Other managers had what he had too and couldn't keep anywhere near to the success.
Titles after were won by Jose team, including the 2012 CL. It doesn't excusebhis later behaviour, but that is massively down playing what Jose instilled in the club.
posted on 8/1/24
*disingenuous
Stupid autocorrect
posted on 8/1/24
Have tbh, even though its my article,I can't decide
posted on 8/1/24
Looking purely at achievement and given the circumstances of an ageing team and AVB beforehand I think winning an FA Cup and CL double is the most extraordinary achievement from the list.
Tuchel also extraordinary in my mind. His impact was 8nstant.
But I thinkit is true that Jose changed the mindset of the club and shd take some credit for trophies we won when he wasn't with us.
posted on 8/1/24
Objectively Jose
Conte still has a place for me subjectively. I feel like it can’t be understated how much he squeezed out of that squad. It’s in part because I really didn’t rate our squad too at that time and he turned them into such dominant title winners. The only time I’ve seen a routine PL win be seen as a classic game because of how utterly dominant we were (4-0 vs Everton). Although he still has a decent legacy here it’s a shame he didn’t do well in Europe to have further cemented his time with us.
posted on 8/1/24
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
Jose's achievement was undoubtedly very good but he inherited an already good and very expensive team that had been largely put together by Ranieri. The likes of JT and Lamps had been taught and developed under Ranieri and they ended up being Jose's two most important players, especially in his first season.
Jose had also been backed with as much money as he needed to spend under a very ambitious new owner who was only too happy to get his chequebook out to sign any attainable player in world football, well before the constraints of FFP. Jose walked into a near perfect scenario at Chelsea so I can't rank his achievement as the highest.
Jose's reign is also overshadowed by the fact that he had everything at his disposal that any manager could dream of yet he wasn't able to maintain the success of his Chelsea team beyond three years.
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Sorry superb m8, but this is massively indigenous to Jose - he walked into a good team and made it into the best in the world - could Raniera have done it, maybe but not to the level Jose did, and he's legacy lasted a decade. Other managers had what he had too and couldn't keep anywhere near to the success.
Titles after were won by Jose team, including the 2012 CL. It doesn't excusebhis later behaviour, but that is massively down playing what Jose instilled in the club.
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I'm definitely not playing it down, in my first sentence I acknowledged that his achievement was very good. Just not the best on the list imo and I gave my reasons why.
And Jose fell short in the CL with us. We can debate why but if we were the best team in the world we should have had a CL to show for it from that three year era. History doesn't remember the semifinalists.
And I agree that Ranieri wouldn't have taken us to the heights that Jose did but Ranieri isn't/wasn't a truly elite manager like Jose was at that time.
posted on 8/1/24
comment by Vorsprung durch Poch (U1641)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
Objectively Jose
Conte still has a place for me subjectively. I feel like it can’t be understated how much he squeezed out of that squad. It’s in part because I really didn’t rate our squad too at that time and he turned them into such dominant title winners. The only time I’ve seen a routine PL win be seen as a classic game because of how utterly dominant we were (4-0 vs Everton). Although he still has a decent legacy here it’s a shame he didn’t do well in Europe to have further cemented his time with us.
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He turned Mosesi to a title winner.Says it all about squeezing the best out of a squad 😂
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