there are a few potential top strikers coming through.

Firstly Osimhen is elite IMO.

Lois Openda has potential, as does Gimenez. I think Elyie Wahi has a terrific future ahead of him.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago

dont really care tbh ... I was talking about when strikers are at their best ... your the one talking about certain tactics your team played during certain seasons.

I stand by my POV. With Girourd you get more out of him if he doesnt score compared to Aub.... and since both have quite a similar goal ratio i will take the guy that offers more when he doesnt score.
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The point that most ignore is that most strikers are system based strikers. Which is why they look so good at one club and never replicate that form after moves away.

No big club can touch Wahi.

A horrendous rap sheet for anyone never mind a guy only 20.

I do think Gimenez might be the best bet, has a bit of the Berbatov/Van Persie silkiness.

Openda I've not seen enough of but his stats are promising. Just signed last summer so would be very expensive.

comment by HB Maybe Beale wasn't the mastermind (U21935)
posted 8 minutes ago
No big club can touch Wahi.

A horrendous rap sheet for anyone never mind a guy only 20.

I do think Gimenez might be the best bet, has a bit of the Berbatov/Van Persie silkiness.

Openda I've not seen enough of but his stats are promising. Just signed last summer so would be very expensive.
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disagree bigger clubs have taken on more contreversial players than him.

He did something daft when he was a teenager (15) and was accused of pucnhing a woman (no idea the outcome but couldnt find anything)

he may well be a weapon but most clubs would put one down to being daft young, and an accusation that didnt seem to go anywhere (maybe wrong about that). Extremely talented player however and often that overshadows many other things.

Gimenez is extremely composed and if he had a wee bit extra pace would be a stick on IMO.

Aubameyang was definitely elite, he was basically doing what Haaland does - but with somehow an even more unlikable face.

comment by Timo Werner (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aubameyang was definitely elite, he was basically doing what Haaland does - but with somehow an even more unlikable face.
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If Haalands form falls of a cliff then yeah you might have a point

Not really, both great goalscorers without much all-round game. Main difference is the quality of the Arsenal team was far less that the quality of Man City's team.

You put a 29 year old Auba in Man City's team and he easily gets 30+ goals

comment by Timo Werner (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not really, both great goalscorers without much all-round game. Main difference is the quality of the Arsenal team was far less that the quality of Man City's team.

You put a 29 year old Auba in Man City's team and he easily gets 30+ goals
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if only Aub goal record wasnt about half of that of Haalands your point may hold water.

you can specualte all you want.

Dortmund stats
Haaland - 67 games 62 goals
Aub - 144 games - 98 goals

these are also teenager Haaland stats vs a 23-28 yr old Aub.

no comparison.

Gabon - 74 - 30 goals
Norway 29 - 27 goals

I realise I've engaged McWinston here but:

* About half? Whoever taught you maths needs a slap. Based on those stats thats around 73% of Haalands rate.

* Gabon vs Norway? The fack!??!? How is that a decent comparison? Do you think George Weah sucked because his international goal record is nothing compared to Peter Crouch's?

comment by Timo Werner (U1109)
posted 14 hours, 29 minutes ago
I realise I've engaged McWinston here but:

* About half? Whoever taught you maths needs a slap. Based on those stats thats around 73% of Haalands rate.

* Gabon vs Norway? The fack!??!? How is that a decent comparison? Do you think George Weah sucked because his international goal record is nothing compared to Peter Crouch's?
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I gave you direct comparisons of their time in the same league. you wernt having it. I gave you comparisons of them in the same league at the same club and again you dont wanna accept it. I also threw in the national records as a bonus.

FYI
Haalands career stats - 0.82 goals per game (0.93 goals per game @ Dortmund)
Aub careers stats - 0.50 goals per game (0.68 goals per game @ Dortmund)

why dont you put forward a stat or any piece of evidence that suggests that Aub is of similar level to Haaland as you claimed.

I have given plenty of evidence to back up my point you hvae given ZERO to back up your claims.

So looking at the above. When Haaland's was 0.93 goals per game, and Auba's was 0.68 goals per game. Is that is "about half" then thats fine, you can do you.

If that is *

comment by Timo Werner (U1109)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
So looking at the above. When Haaland's was 0.93 goals per game, and Auba's was 0.68 goals per game. Is that is "about half" then thats fine, you can do you.
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no prob not ... it was a guess before looking at the actual stats.

now that you have finished being pedantic about the stats. lets see your evidence for thinking they are of the same standard and ability like you claimed......

ps no one expects you to provide anything, and to continue deflecting.

I never said they were the same, that’s your argument you’ve strawmanned

comment by Timo Werner (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
I never said they were the same, that’s your argument you’ve strawmanned
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"Aubameyang was definitely elite, he was basically doing what Haaland does"

you made the claim.... I questioned the silly statement (IMO) and aksed if you can back that opinion up.... still waiting

I said basically, that allowed wiggle room

comment by Timo Werner (U1109)
posted 41 seconds ago
I said basically, that allowed wiggle room
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I said "about half" that leaves some wiggle room. didnt think that one through did you?

so no....... you cant provide any evidence or stats or anything that confirms what you think?

thats what we thought.

About half and 75% is a huge difference. You don’t get the same wiggle room with numbers as opposed to something that you can’t quantify (can explain what that means if that helps). Stop being ridiculous.

I couldn’t provide overly basic stats to the same measure you have because it isn’t a fair comparison. The quality of the teams differ significantly.

I believe that Kane outperformed Haaland last year, but there is no perfect metric that adjusts for ‘your team is sheit and your manager is a vampire who sucks the life out of everything until he leaves on a strop’.

Why do I think Auba was basically doing what Haaland does? Because he was incredible at getting onto chances and scoring at a high rate, his all round game was pretty mediocre - both aspects like Haaland. Auba was adept at providing from the wing, which Haaland hasn’t shown - but he’s also not as good leading the line. If you look at every other player in PL history who has provided consecutive 20+ goal seasons you’d call each of them elite.

The metric that aligns Haaland and Auba is this: Haaland averages 1.3 p90 on the McWinny scale, Auba averages 1.03896 or ‘about half)

comment by Timo Werner (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
About half and 75% is a huge difference. You don’t get the same wiggle room with numbers as opposed to something that you can’t quantify (can explain what that means if that helps). Stop being ridiculous.

I couldn’t provide overly basic stats to the same measure you have because it isn’t a fair comparison. The quality of the teams differ significantly.

I believe that Kane outperformed Haaland last year, but there is no perfect metric that adjusts for ‘your team is sheit and your manager is a vampire who sucks the life out of everything until he leaves on a strop’.

Why do I think Auba was basically doing what Haaland does? Because he was incredible at getting onto chances and scoring at a high rate, his all round game was pretty mediocre - both aspects like Haaland. Auba was adept at providing from the wing, which Haaland hasn’t shown - but he’s also not as good leading the line. If you look at every other player in PL history who has provided consecutive 20+ goal seasons you’d call each of them elite.

The metric that aligns Haaland and Auba is this: Haaland averages 1.3 p90 on the McWinny scale, Auba averages 1.03896 or ‘about half)
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yes your right it 25% difference is huge ..... thats difference between the goals that Haaland scores in comparison to Aub at both Dortmund and any other club.

the quality of teams doesnt differ if you compare them at both playing for Dortmund ..... which I did.

again not thinking this through are you?

Why don’t you have a name change bet that he can’t find the stats that support his assertion whodumbtit?

Then you can welch on the bet like a cowardly little weasel again! 😂😂

“McWinston”

😂👍

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Timo Werner (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
About half and 75% is a huge difference. You don’t get the same wiggle room with numbers as opposed to something that you can’t quantify (can explain what that means if that helps). Stop being ridiculous.

I couldn’t provide overly basic stats to the same measure you have because it isn’t a fair comparison. The quality of the teams differ significantly.

I believe that Kane outperformed Haaland last year, but there is no perfect metric that adjusts for ‘your team is sheit and your manager is a vampire who sucks the life out of everything until he leaves on a strop’.

Why do I think Auba was basically doing what Haaland does? Because he was incredible at getting onto chances and scoring at a high rate, his all round game was pretty mediocre - both aspects like Haaland. Auba was adept at providing from the wing, which Haaland hasn’t shown - but he’s also not as good leading the line. If you look at every other player in PL history who has provided consecutive 20+ goal seasons you’d call each of them elite.

The metric that aligns Haaland and Auba is this: Haaland averages 1.3 p90 on the McWinny scale, Auba averages 1.03896 or ‘about half)
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yes your right it 25% difference is huge ..... thats difference between the goals that Haaland scores in comparison to Aub at both Dortmund and any other club.

the quality of teams doesnt differ if you compare them at both playing for Dortmund ..... which I did.

again not thinking this through are you?
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Obviously the quality of teams differ if its the same team over a longer timeframe, are you saying scoring goals for peak Poch's Spurs is the same as Jose or Conte's Spurs?

Now, if you really wanted to compare both's time at Dortmund you'd use a more accurate metric. Like how many minutes a non-penalty goal (as games played is very limited).

A quick search online shows that Haaland is scoring a npg every 106 mins and Auba every 123 mins.

But even then the point is irrelevant.

Do you think Auba isn't elite? Do you think his style is similar to Haalands, if not as good?

comment by Timo Werner (U1109)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Timo Werner (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
About half and 75% is a huge difference. You don’t get the same wiggle room with numbers as opposed to something that you can’t quantify (can explain what that means if that helps). Stop being ridiculous.

I couldn’t provide overly basic stats to the same measure you have because it isn’t a fair comparison. The quality of the teams differ significantly.

I believe that Kane outperformed Haaland last year, but there is no perfect metric that adjusts for ‘your team is sheit and your manager is a vampire who sucks the life out of everything until he leaves on a strop’.

Why do I think Auba was basically doing what Haaland does? Because he was incredible at getting onto chances and scoring at a high rate, his all round game was pretty mediocre - both aspects like Haaland. Auba was adept at providing from the wing, which Haaland hasn’t shown - but he’s also not as good leading the line. If you look at every other player in PL history who has provided consecutive 20+ goal seasons you’d call each of them elite.

The metric that aligns Haaland and Auba is this: Haaland averages 1.3 p90 on the McWinny scale, Auba averages 1.03896 or ‘about half)
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yes your right it 25% difference is huge ..... thats difference between the goals that Haaland scores in comparison to Aub at both Dortmund and any other club.

the quality of teams doesnt differ if you compare them at both playing for Dortmund ..... which I did.

again not thinking this through are you?
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Obviously the quality of teams differ if its the same team over a longer timeframe, are you saying scoring goals for peak Poch's Spurs is the same as Jose or Conte's Spurs?

Now, if you really wanted to compare both's time at Dortmund you'd use a more accurate metric. Like how many minutes a non-penalty goal (as games played is very limited).

A quick search online shows that Haaland is scoring a npg every 106 mins and Auba every 123 mins.

But even then the point is irrelevant.

Do you think Auba isn't elite? Do you think his style is similar to Haalands, if not as good?
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no but is as good a reference as you can get.

of course the point is irrelevant taking npg's cos if you do that Haaland still comfortably outperforms him.

Na I never thought he was elite. He had rwo very good seasons at Arsenal, I always thought there was a good amount of strikers better than him at the time.

In 8 seasons of the EPL Aub hit more than 10 goals twice ....TWICE!! Haaland done that before the end of October in his first 2 seasons!!

Auba wasn't in the PL 8 seasons - he only appeared in 6 PL seasons. Two of them were half seasons, 1 he barely played.
So in reality he had 3 full seasons. In the first two he hit 22 goals in both.