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comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 39 seconds ago
It’s not a hissy fit, it’s just musings.
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“I’ll have to do a Danny Rose and Google him”.
“So another child we’ll have to loan out”.
“Just asking”.
Leave it out Sizz, the continuous passive aggressive, sardonic one line comments having digs about the manager and signings and everything else. It’s the virtual equivalent of being stood there with your arms folded, lips pouted and insisting “I’m FINE” when clearly the painters are in and any minor issue is gonna get blown out of all proportion.
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Too Good !!!!!
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I get that on a daily basis with 12 year old twin girls !!
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 39 seconds ago
It’s not a hissy fit, it’s just musings.
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“I’ll have to do a Danny Rose and Google him”.
“So another child we’ll have to loan out”.
“Just asking”.
Leave it out Sizz, the continuous passive aggressive, sardonic one line comments having digs about the manager and signings and everything else. It’s the virtual equivalent of being stood there with your arms folded, lips pouted and insisting “I’m FINE” when clearly the painters are in and any minor issue is gonna get blown out of all proportion.
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Too Good !!!!!
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I get that on a daily basis with 12 year old twin girls !!
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God forbid anyone have a different opinion eh. Let’s just live in an echo chamber.
To be fair the Spurs pages on Facebook are even worse, it’s like a f*cking cult on there.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
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Weren’t not allowed to say anything that doesn’t fit with their narrative.
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I’ll say whatever the f a ck I like. Even if those who seem to be crawling up the backside of ace are giggling like prepubescent school kids every time ace digs someone out. It’s weird frankly.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
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Weren’t not allowed to say anything that doesn’t fit with their narrative.
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I’ll say whatever the f a ck I like. Even if those who seem to be crawling up the backside of ace are giggling like prepubescent school kids every time ace digs someone out. It’s weird frankly.
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Quite.
Don’t get what they find so triggering about my comments but hey ho.
Who gave this positive post one star ?
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
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In a window when our priority was a CB, we got one in, early in the month and a player who chose Spurs over Bayern.
After that everything else was a bonus really. I think we were willing to let Hojbjerg go but he didnt want to go.
One reason why we are well run is that we look to avoid over stacking the squad. We are not going to add Gallagher to a stable of Sarr Bissouma Hojbjerg Skipp Bentancur Maddison Lo Celso. It would be a waste of millions.
Just because we have the ability to spend, it does not mean we have to, or that we should be watseful.
All of these FFP figures roll over, so if we didnt spend it now, it makes this years figures look good meaning we have more ability to spend in the summer. Its not spend it now or lose it.
Overall, i think we are ahead of schedule. Did anyone expect us to be doing so well. The improvements have been fantastic. The squad evolution has been great and we're only 6 months in. It perhaps makes us more impatient to improve even more but these things really do take a bit of time and have to be carefully managed.
I think we can achieve good things this season and we will be on a very strong footing, both financially and on the pitch, to improve even more next season.
With the way our transfer dealings have gone over the last 18 months or so, I feel more confident that we have the right set up to bring in the players we want and need, and get rid of the unwanted.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 39 seconds ago
It’s not a hissy fit, it’s just musings.
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“I’ll have to do a Danny Rose and Google him”.
“So another child we’ll have to loan out”.
“Just asking”.
Leave it out Sizz, the continuous passive aggressive, sardonic one line comments having digs about the manager and signings and everything else. It’s the virtual equivalent of being stood there with your arms folded, lips pouted and insisting “I’m FINE” when clearly the painters are in and any minor issue is gonna get blown out of all proportion.
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Too Good !!!!!
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I get that on a daily basis with 12 year old twin girls !!
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God forbid anyone have a different opinion eh. Let’s just live in an echo chamber.
To be fair the Spurs pages on Facebook are even worse, it’s like a f*cking cult on there.
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You dont reason your misery!
In response to a signing of a highly promising kid who Barca wanted you say" another kids we'll loan out"
That is not incorrect, but when you look at how the likes of Sarr & Udogie have worked out for us, then there should be some confidence and excitement in this signing, not negativity. Not least because our last 2 signings have chosen us over Bayern & Barca.
You are free to have your own opinion but it is contrary to the consensus, so unless you just want to be thought of as some sort of unrealistic negative outlier, then you need to back up your opinion with reasoning.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
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In a window when our priority was a CB, we got one in, early in the month and a player who chose Spurs over Bayern.
After that everything else was a bonus really. I think we were willing to let Hojbjerg go but he didnt want to go.
One reason why we are well run is that we look to avoid over stacking the squad. We are not going to add Gallagher to a stable of Sarr Bissouma Hojbjerg Skipp Bentancur Maddison Lo Celso. It would be a waste of millions.
Just because we have the ability to spend, it does not mean we have to, or that we should be watseful.
All of these FFP figures roll over, so if we didnt spend it now, it makes this years figures look good meaning we have more ability to spend in the summer. Its not spend it now or lose it.
Overall, i think we are ahead of schedule. Did anyone expect us to be doing so well. The improvements have been fantastic. The squad evolution has been great and we're only 6 months in. It perhaps makes us more impatient to improve even more but these things really do take a bit of time and have to be carefully managed.
I think we can achieve good things this season and we will be on a very strong footing, both financially and on the pitch, to improve even more next season.
With the way our transfer dealings have gone over the last 18 months or so, I feel more confident that we have the right set up to bring in the players we want and need, and get rid of the unwanted.
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At last. Someone who can type an answer.
I am very impressed with the progress the club has made this season and think it centres around the absolute master strike of signing Ange. I watch games wishing I was there now, rather than putting the poor souls that we’re getting ripped off every week.
Ultimately though, spurs need to take that next step, something Enic have not been able to do in the past. This means we need to strengthen from a position of strength and actually start believing and expecting to win trophies. Not just being satisfied with being financially sound.
If Ange wants the club to drop 80 million on a number 9 in the summer, I fully expect the club to do it. Our recruitment over the last couple of seasons has been superb on the whole. It has got us back to where we were in 2018. Now can we actually show some ambition and sign the players needed to challenge for trophies? Or is it all just profiteering for Enic again and the club will once again level out?
We need to prove to these young potential superstars that Tottenham is the place to win trophies and you don’t need to go to Bayern Munich to do it.
That’s what I’m hoping for.
How can people be so impatient regarding FFP? The Premier League and UEFA have only just started punishing teams for overspending so we won't really see the benefits for a few years yet. Many big clubs considered to be in the second tier of traditional powerhouses, like Chelsea, relied on success and CL football to generate income. Our stadium means we are able to spend well even if we miss out on CL football. Most clubs have had to slow down spending because they've either overspent or not hand the on-field success to generate funds. We're not hamstrung by either of those issues but it won't happen overnight. What do some people expect? Us to blow 400m and join the rest of the desperate gang trying to balance the books? Come on.
Also, lets be honest, when Poch got us into the CL on a regular basis, we spent more on shiiiiit players than we ever did constructing that original team with Kane, Eriksen, Dembele etc. We clearly have more success buying the starts of the future rather than today. The last two years should teach us that. Barely a sniff of European football yet here were are with really, really smart buys like Vicario, Udogie, VDV and Sarr and every single one of them is within the price range of every Premier League club.
If FFP is upheld in the strictest of terms, I don't want Levy going anywhere. He's perfect for this era, assuming it sticks. In a world of free spending, he's useless but if you need someoen to generate money from nothing, he's your man.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
How can people be so impatient regarding FFP? The Premier League and UEFA have only just started punishing teams for overspending so we won't really see the benefits for a few years yet. Many big clubs considered to be in the second tier of traditional powerhouses, like Chelsea, relied on success and CL football to generate income. Our stadium means we are able to spend well even if we miss out on CL football. Most clubs have had to slow down spending because they've either overspent or not hand the on-field success to generate funds. We're not hamstrung by either of those issues but it won't happen overnight. What do some people expect? Us to blow 400m and join the rest of the desperate gang trying to balance the books? Come on.
Also, lets be honest, when Poch got us into the CL on a regular basis, we spent more on shiiiiit players than we ever did constructing that original team with Kane, Eriksen, Dembele etc. We clearly have more success buying the starts of the future rather than today. The last two years should teach us that. Barely a sniff of European football yet here were are with really, really smart buys like Vicario, Udogie, VDV and Sarr and every single one of them is within the price range of every Premier League club.
If FFP is upheld in the strictest of terms, I don't want Levy going anywhere. He's perfect for this era, assuming it sticks. In a world of free spending, he's useless but if you need someoen to generate money from nothing, he's your man.
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Again, not impatient, just looking for realism. All sorts of people saying all sorts of things about FFP. You think it will take years to bear its teeth? Perhaps. I’m still sceptical that it ever will. Until a club like Man City or Chelsea are actually brought to task about their dealings, then I will continue to be sceptical. If it turns out those clubs did nothing wrong, then I question the validity of the ffp rules.
It’s an interesting time for football. There are some very very rich people that will not benefit from ffp being implemented how spurs hope it will be and when rich people are put out, things tend to go a different way to how others hope.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
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In a window when our priority was a CB, we got one in, early in the month and a player who chose Spurs over Bayern.
After that everything else was a bonus really. I think we were willing to let Hojbjerg go but he didnt want to go.
One reason why we are well run is that we look to avoid over stacking the squad. We are not going to add Gallagher to a stable of Sarr Bissouma Hojbjerg Skipp Bentancur Maddison Lo Celso. It would be a waste of millions.
Just because we have the ability to spend, it does not mean we have to, or that we should be watseful.
All of these FFP figures roll over, so if we didnt spend it now, it makes this years figures look good meaning we have more ability to spend in the summer. Its not spend it now or lose it.
Overall, i think we are ahead of schedule. Did anyone expect us to be doing so well. The improvements have been fantastic. The squad evolution has been great and we're only 6 months in. It perhaps makes us more impatient to improve even more but these things really do take a bit of time and have to be carefully managed.
I think we can achieve good things this season and we will be on a very strong footing, both financially and on the pitch, to improve even more next season.
With the way our transfer dealings have gone over the last 18 months or so, I feel more confident that we have the right set up to bring in the players we want and need, and get rid of the unwanted.
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At last. Someone who can type an answer.
I am very impressed with the progress the club has made this season and think it centres around the absolute master strike of signing Ange. I watch games wishing I was there now, rather than putting the poor souls that we’re getting ripped off every week.
Ultimately though, spurs need to take that next step, something Enic have not been able to do in the past. This means we need to strengthen from a position of strength and actually start believing and expecting to win trophies. Not just being satisfied with being financially sound.
If Ange wants the club to drop 80 million on a number 9 in the summer, I fully expect the club to do it. Our recruitment over the last couple of seasons has been superb on the whole. It has got us back to where we were in 2018. Now can we actually show some ambition and sign the players needed to challenge for trophies? Or is it all just profiteering for Enic again and the club will once again level out?
We need to prove to these young potential superstars that Tottenham is the place to win trophies and you don’t need to go to Bayern Munich to do it.
That’s what I’m hoping for.
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That's really well put.
Levy will have to change his MO. He has oft been one demanding the most for our players but not prepared to pay a full value for anyone we want.
He must realise that to prise someone away from a club not wanting to sell, he must pay well and while that doesnt necessary need to be every signing we make, for key signings, sometimes we just need to get them over the line. For this summer, a striker/attacker must be the main target and like you say, if its gonna take £70m to get Olise or someone of similar quality then lets make it happen.
I think we will still be in a position where other clubs have financial constraints. CFCs issues will not evaporate. Man Utd have money but need to make a lot of changes to their squad. NUFC are handicapped by their low revenues. Villa have nothing like our purchasing power. .0We should be towards the top of the list of clubs that can attract and afford the sort of quality players we and other top clubs will be looking at.
We have already seen how we have paid more to get Dragusin and Bergvall in ahead of European mega clubs. We just need to do that at the top end.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
How can people be so impatient regarding FFP? The Premier League and UEFA have only just started punishing teams for overspending so we won't really see the benefits for a few years yet. Many big clubs considered to be in the second tier of traditional powerhouses, like Chelsea, relied on success and CL football to generate income. Our stadium means we are able to spend well even if we miss out on CL football. Most clubs have had to slow down spending because they've either overspent or not hand the on-field success to generate funds. We're not hamstrung by either of those issues but it won't happen overnight. What do some people expect? Us to blow 400m and join the rest of the desperate gang trying to balance the books? Come on.
Also, lets be honest, when Poch got us into the CL on a regular basis, we spent more on shiiiiit players than we ever did constructing that original team with Kane, Eriksen, Dembele etc. We clearly have more success buying the starts of the future rather than today. The last two years should teach us that. Barely a sniff of European football yet here were are with really, really smart buys like Vicario, Udogie, VDV and Sarr and every single one of them is within the price range of every Premier League club.
If FFP is upheld in the strictest of terms, I don't want Levy going anywhere. He's perfect for this era, assuming it sticks. In a world of free spending, he's useless but if you need someoen to generate money from nothing, he's your man.
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Again, not impatient, just looking for realism. All sorts of people saying all sorts of things about FFP. You think it will take years to bear its teeth? Perhaps. I’m still sceptical that it ever will. Until a club like Man City or Chelsea are actually brought to task about their dealings, then I will continue to be sceptical. If it turns out those clubs did nothing wrong, then I question the validity of the ffp rules.
It’s an interesting time for football. There are some very very rich people that will not benefit from ffp being implemented how spurs hope it will be and when rich people are put out, things tend to go a different way to how others hope.
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Yes, but you're working under the assumption that those big clubs that want to spend like City are the bullies in this equation. They're not. I understand the cynicism here. It's perfectly plausible that City's size and power could see them be treated more leniently than Everton, for example, in which case you'd be right that the bigger clubs are treated differently and will therefore erode the authority of FFP but that's not the full story. What about Madrid, Barcelona, or any of the other mega clubs in Europe? They have huge sway in the game and they'd like nothing better than for the Premier League to curb it's spending. They're wolves in sheep's clothing but right now they'll be pushing for the Premier League big boys to be punished for overspending so the pressure is from both sides of the argument.
In an age where Everton have been given a 10 point punishment for being a few million over, the charges on City are off the scale. Some will be smaller, others will be larger but the Everton punishment sets a precedence. Personally I think they will face relegation, largely for inflating sponsorship deals with funds of their own. That's damning. Everton just overspent. City were actively money laundering really.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
How can people be so impatient regarding FFP? The Premier League and UEFA have only just started punishing teams for overspending so we won't really see the benefits for a few years yet. Many big clubs considered to be in the second tier of traditional powerhouses, like Chelsea, relied on success and CL football to generate income. Our stadium means we are able to spend well even if we miss out on CL football. Most clubs have had to slow down spending because they've either overspent or not hand the on-field success to generate funds. We're not hamstrung by either of those issues but it won't happen overnight. What do some people expect? Us to blow 400m and join the rest of the desperate gang trying to balance the books? Come on.
Also, lets be honest, when Poch got us into the CL on a regular basis, we spent more on shiiiiit players than we ever did constructing that original team with Kane, Eriksen, Dembele etc. We clearly have more success buying the starts of the future rather than today. The last two years should teach us that. Barely a sniff of European football yet here were are with really, really smart buys like Vicario, Udogie, VDV and Sarr and every single one of them is within the price range of every Premier League club.
If FFP is upheld in the strictest of terms, I don't want Levy going anywhere. He's perfect for this era, assuming it sticks. In a world of free spending, he's useless but if you need someoen to generate money from nothing, he's your man.
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Again, not impatient, just looking for realism. All sorts of people saying all sorts of things about FFP. You think it will take years to bear its teeth? Perhaps. I’m still sceptical that it ever will. Until a club like Man City or Chelsea are actually brought to task about their dealings, then I will continue to be sceptical. If it turns out those clubs did nothing wrong, then I question the validity of the ffp rules.
It’s an interesting time for football. There are some very very rich people that will not benefit from ffp being implemented how spurs hope it will be and when rich people are put out, things tend to go a different way to how others hope.
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The ESL is a great example of this.
Not only does it show European clubs desperation to try and level the financial playingfield with a very one-sided format, the fact so many PL teams bought into it shows the desperation of some PL clubs to earn more and more - many of them purely interested in enhancing the value of their investment (Utd, LFC) while others just not wanting to miss out on a gravy train (Spurs, Arsenal) .
What FFP seems to be achieving is a separation of those who are well run vs those who are not. Spurs now comfortably the biggest revenues in London and not because they have a wealthy owner, it's all self-generated and we are nowhere near our ceiling. Arsenal have built slowly but are also well run and able to spend big to improve their squad.
This should be rewarded, and I would rather competition is fought on this level, not just on whose owners are the wealthiest.
I like this new era, aside from the fact it will help Spurs, it just brings a bit more credibility and legitimacy back to this league which has been largely dominated by unlimited spending power for the last 25 years (since Abramovich really). I hope it sticks.
Pretty Much sums it up....
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-transfer-lucas-bergvall-dragusin-b1136593.html
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
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In a window when our priority was a CB, we got one in, early in the month and a player who chose Spurs over Bayern.
After that everything else was a bonus really. I think we were willing to let Hojbjerg go but he didnt want to go.
One reason why we are well run is that we look to avoid over stacking the squad. We are not going to add Gallagher to a stable of Sarr Bissouma Hojbjerg Skipp Bentancur Maddison Lo Celso. It would be a waste of millions.
Just because we have the ability to spend, it does not mean we have to, or that we should be watseful.
All of these FFP figures roll over, so if we didnt spend it now, it makes this years figures look good meaning we have more ability to spend in the summer. Its not spend it now or lose it.
Overall, i think we are ahead of schedule. Did anyone expect us to be doing so well. The improvements have been fantastic. The squad evolution has been great and we're only 6 months in. It perhaps makes us more impatient to improve even more but these things really do take a bit of time and have to be carefully managed.
I think we can achieve good things this season and we will be on a very strong footing, both financially and on the pitch, to improve even more next season.
With the way our transfer dealings have gone over the last 18 months or so, I feel more confident that we have the right set up to bring in the players we want and need, and get rid of the unwanted.
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At last. Someone who can type an answer.
I am very impressed with the progress the club has made this season and think it centres around the absolute master strike of signing Ange. I watch games wishing I was there now, rather than putting the poor souls that we’re getting ripped off every week.
Ultimately though, spurs need to take that next step, something Enic have not been able to do in the past. This means we need to strengthen from a position of strength and actually start believing and expecting to win trophies. Not just being satisfied with being financially sound.
If Ange wants the club to drop 80 million on a number 9 in the summer, I fully expect the club to do it. Our recruitment over the last couple of seasons has been superb on the whole. It has got us back to where we were in 2018. Now can we actually show some ambition and sign the players needed to challenge for trophies? Or is it all just profiteering for Enic again and the club will once again level out?
We need to prove to these young potential superstars that Tottenham is the place to win trophies and you don’t need to go to Bayern Munich to do it.
That’s what I’m hoping for.
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That's really well put.
Levy will have to change his MO. He has oft been one demanding the most for our players but not prepared to pay a full value for anyone we want.
He must realise that to prise someone away from a club not wanting to sell, he must pay well and while that doesnt necessary need to be every signing we make, for key signings, sometimes we just need to get them over the line. For this summer, a striker/attacker must be the main target and like you say, if its gonna take £70m to get Olise or someone of similar quality then lets make it happen.
I think we will still be in a position where other clubs have financial constraints. CFCs issues will not evaporate. Man Utd have money but need to make a lot of changes to their squad. NUFC are handicapped by their low revenues. Villa have nothing like our purchasing power. .0We should be towards the top of the list of clubs that can attract and afford the sort of quality players we and other top clubs will be looking at.
We have already seen how we have paid more to get Dragusin and Bergvall in ahead of European mega clubs. We just need to do that at the top end.
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Couldn’t agree more. I’m seriously hoping that Enic have learnt their lessons from the past. Also the chance for levy to prove he was right by demonstrating spurs new found spending power, may just feed straight into his ego.
It’s exciting times that’s for sure, but we have been here before and THAT is the reason for my scepticism
So is this young lad an Ange no. 6 or an Ange no.8?
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Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
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In a window when our priority was a CB, we got one in, early in the month and a player who chose Spurs over Bayern.
After that everything else was a bonus really. I think we were willing to let Hojbjerg go but he didnt want to go.
One reason why we are well run is that we look to avoid over stacking the squad. We are not going to add Gallagher to a stable of Sarr Bissouma Hojbjerg Skipp Bentancur Maddison Lo Celso. It would be a waste of millions.
Just because we have the ability to spend, it does not mean we have to, or that we should be watseful.
All of these FFP figures roll over, so if we didnt spend it now, it makes this years figures look good meaning we have more ability to spend in the summer. Its not spend it now or lose it.
Overall, i think we are ahead of schedule. Did anyone expect us to be doing so well. The improvements have been fantastic. The squad evolution has been great and we're only 6 months in. It perhaps makes us more impatient to improve even more but these things really do take a bit of time and have to be carefully managed.
I think we can achieve good things this season and we will be on a very strong footing, both financially and on the pitch, to improve even more next season.
With the way our transfer dealings have gone over the last 18 months or so, I feel more confident that we have the right set up to bring in the players we want and need, and get rid of the unwanted.
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At last. Someone who can type an answer.
I am very impressed with the progress the club has made this season and think it centres around the absolute master strike of signing Ange. I watch games wishing I was there now, rather than putting the poor souls that we’re getting ripped off every week.
Ultimately though, spurs need to take that next step, something Enic have not been able to do in the past. This means we need to strengthen from a position of strength and actually start believing and expecting to win trophies. Not just being satisfied with being financially sound.
If Ange wants the club to drop 80 million on a number 9 in the summer, I fully expect the club to do it. Our recruitment over the last couple of seasons has been superb on the whole. It has got us back to where we were in 2018. Now can we actually show some ambition and sign the players needed to challenge for trophies? Or is it all just profiteering for Enic again and the club will once again level out?
We need to prove to these young potential superstars that Tottenham is the place to win trophies and you don’t need to go to Bayern Munich to do it.
That’s what I’m hoping for.
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That's really well put.
Levy will have to change his MO. He has oft been one demanding the most for our players but not prepared to pay a full value for anyone we want.
He must realise that to prise someone away from a club not wanting to sell, he must pay well and while that doesnt necessary need to be every signing we make, for key signings, sometimes we just need to get them over the line. For this summer, a striker/attacker must be the main target and like you say, if its gonna take £70m to get Olise or someone of similar quality then lets make it happen.
I think we will still be in a position where other clubs have financial constraints. CFCs issues will not evaporate. Man Utd have money but need to make a lot of changes to their squad. NUFC are handicapped by their low revenues. Villa have nothing like our purchasing power. .0We should be towards the top of the list of clubs that can attract and afford the sort of quality players we and other top clubs will be looking at.
We have already seen how we have paid more to get Dragusin and Bergvall in ahead of European mega clubs. We just need to do that at the top end.
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Couldn’t agree more. I’m seriously hoping that Enic have learnt their lessons from the past. Also the chance for levy to prove he was right by demonstrating spurs new found spending power, may just feed straight into his ego.
It’s exciting times that’s for sure, but we have been here before and THAT is the reason for my scepticism
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Understandable.
We all want that old dog to change his tricks 🐶
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So is this young lad an Ange no. 6 or an Ange no.8?
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Maybe its a generational thing but I fail to see why fans get so worked up about this "Spursy" tag or rival fans taking a shot at us about not winning a trophy.... It doesn't bother me in the slightest. None of us work for the club or are responsible in any way. Take it on the chin, accept we have been crap and move on.
Chelsea & United are broken, City are highly dubious (despite the fantastic football)...... I suspect over the next few years there might be a few (including me !) that might look back on this period and accept that while he's made plenty of mistakes (who hasn't) that we owe levy a bit of an apology ! Yes he's still a money grabbing little b@stard...... but he's no fool
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We owe him an apology because he got lucky with his 5th choice manager?
Has HE apologised for Nuno yet?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it?
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You saw it last summer and this window. Not sure if we are kings off FFP but we are 100% on the right side of it.
We had net spend of around €140m (Total spent €178m) in 21/22 and in 23/24 net spend of a €155m (Total spent
€272m). The Kane money obviously helps last summer.
We haven't had the accounts published for June 23 yet but that should include the CL money and the projections or rumours are £500m turnover. The profit will be interesting.
The key with FFP is not max out on it otherwise you are in Newcastle's situation where you might have to sell a big player to bring in another.
Being "the kings" or on the right side of FFP is good but it doesn't translate to silverware if thats what you are talking about.
It is just one element which can contribute to building the right squad.
Also this year's revenue will be down due no Euro competition but the Kane money should subsidise that.
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it?
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You saw it last summer and this window. Not sure if we are kings off FFP but we are 100% on the right side of it.
We had net spend of around €140m (Total spent €178m) in 21/22 and in 23/24 net spend of a €155m (Total spent
€272m). The Kane money obviously helps last summer.
We haven't had the accounts published for June 23 yet but that should include the CL money and the projections or rumours are £500m turnover. The profit will be interesting.
The key with FFP is not max out on it otherwise you are in Newcastle's situation where you might have to sell a big player to bring in another.
Being "the kings" or on the right side of FFP is good but it doesn't translate to silverware if thats what you are talking about.
It is just one element which can contribute to building the right squad.
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With the 3 year FFP / PSR accounting period, you also have to be fairly consistent.
If Year 1 shows a profit but year Year 2 and 3 you spend big so have big losses, but overall remain compliant, BUT when you go into year 4, you lose the Year 1 Profit from the calculation. So that 4th year will need to show profit to keep things complaint so you may be forced to sell
Unless the profit/loss remains broadly consistent, it will be difficult to maintain continual investment and remain compliant, and you may be forced into situations like NUFC and EFC where you have to sell an asset to stay compliant.
Looking ahead to the summer we may still start €30m down due to Bergvall and if we take up Werner.
But on the bright side it is less than previous summers when we had to take up options on Romero €50m in 2022, then Kulu €30m and Porro €40m last summer.
Also this summer we can generate revenue from selling the likes of PEH, Sess, Gil, GLC, Skipp (for 100% profit) if need be. And we probably only need to make 4 max signings?
We are in a good place.
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comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it?
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You saw it last summer and this window. Not sure if we are kings off FFP but we are 100% on the right side of it.
We had net spend of around €140m (Total spent €178m) in 21/22 and in 23/24 net spend of a €155m (Total spent
€272m). The Kane money obviously helps last summer.
We haven't had the accounts published for June 23 yet but that should include the CL money and the projections or rumours are £500m turnover. The profit will be interesting.
The key with FFP is not max out on it otherwise you are in Newcastle's situation where you might have to sell a big player to bring in another.
Being "the kings" or on the right side of FFP is good but it doesn't translate to silverware if thats what you are talking about.
It is just one element which can contribute to building the right squad.
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With the 3 year FFP / PSR accounting period, you also have to be fairly consistent.
If Year 1 shows a profit but year Year 2 and 3 you spend big so have big losses, but overall remain compliant, BUT when you go into year 4, you lose the Year 1 Profit from the calculation. So that 4th year will need to show profit to keep things complaint so you may be forced to sell
Unless the profit/loss remains broadly consistent, it will be difficult to maintain continual investment and remain compliant, and you may be forced into situations like NUFC and EFC where you have to sell an asset to stay compliant.
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Covid year we posted a lost of around £50m. That year will drop off now I think, as we have recorded profits for the next two subsequent years.
For last year I am expecting record profit and revenue.
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it?
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You saw it last summer and this window. Not sure if we are kings off FFP but we are 100% on the right side of it.
We had net spend of around €140m (Total spent €178m) in 21/22 and in 23/24 net spend of a €155m (Total spent
€272m). The Kane money obviously helps last summer.
We haven't had the accounts published for June 23 yet but that should include the CL money and the projections or rumours are £500m turnover. The profit will be interesting.
The key with FFP is not max out on it otherwise you are in Newcastle's situation where you might have to sell a big player to bring in another.
Being "the kings" or on the right side of FFP is good but it doesn't translate to silverware if thats what you are talking about.
It is just one element which can contribute to building the right squad.
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With the 3 year FFP / PSR accounting period, you also have to be fairly consistent.
If Year 1 shows a profit but year Year 2 and 3 you spend big so have big losses, but overall remain compliant, BUT when you go into year 4, you lose the Year 1 Profit from the calculation. So that 4th year will need to show profit to keep things complaint so you may be forced to sell
Unless the profit/loss remains broadly consistent, it will be difficult to maintain continual investment and remain compliant, and you may be forced into situations like NUFC and EFC where you have to sell an asset to stay compliant.
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Covid year we posted a lost of around £50m. That year will drop off now I think, as we have recorded profits for the next two subsequent years.
For last year I am expecting record profit and revenue.
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last figures, 21/22 (Conte 1st season) we showed a loss of £50m.
Levy previously reported that Covid cost us £150m and that is evidenced by the accounts which, for example show our Matchday in 21/22 to be £105m and in the lock down season to be £2m.
But i think the club felt these losses over 2 seasons, and in 20/21 and 19/20 we had losses of £84m and £64m, so that broadly tallies with the £150m covid losses Levy referred to.
Some payments (P.League and UEFA) were also deferred from the 19/20 season into the next accounting year as the season was extended to August, so 19/20 also saw lost prize money/commercial revenues & lost matchday, although the former was pushed into the next years figures.
I am not sure how they deal with that in FFP. But if you take the losses and make a £150m allowance for Covid impact, over the last 3 seasons were probably in a £50m loss position. If you add last season into the mix, we had UCL, sell outs etc so Our revenue should be about £550m, about £100m more than the previous season.
So while we also spent about £160m, without too many outgoings, I still think we will clear a very decent profit in the next round of accounts. Maybe £30m or so.
This would put our FFP position well inside compliance. Say £20m losses over the last 3 years, meaning in theory we could spend big next year, make a big loss and still be compliant. (But as mentioned above that does catch up with you in time, so its always best to try and keep consistent figures, not big losses and big profits).
Pure guestimations by me. Lets see if i am any where near when the figures come out, which will probably be this month.
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It’s not a hissy fit, it’s just musings.
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“I’ll have to do a Danny Rose and Google him”.
“So another child we’ll have to loan out”.
“Just asking”.
Leave it out Sizz, the continuous passive aggressive, sardonic one line comments having digs about the manager and signings and everything else. It’s the virtual equivalent of being stood there with your arms folded, lips pouted and insisting “I’m FINE” when clearly the painters are in and any minor issue is gonna get blown out of all proportion.
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Too Good !!!!!
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I get that on a daily basis with 12 year old twin girls !!
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posted 39 seconds ago
It’s not a hissy fit, it’s just musings.
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“I’ll have to do a Danny Rose and Google him”.
“So another child we’ll have to loan out”.
“Just asking”.
Leave it out Sizz, the continuous passive aggressive, sardonic one line comments having digs about the manager and signings and everything else. It’s the virtual equivalent of being stood there with your arms folded, lips pouted and insisting “I’m FINE” when clearly the painters are in and any minor issue is gonna get blown out of all proportion.
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Too Good !!!!!
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I get that on a daily basis with 12 year old twin girls !!
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God forbid anyone have a different opinion eh. Let’s just live in an echo chamber.
To be fair the Spurs pages on Facebook are even worse, it’s like a f*cking cult on there.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
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Weren’t not allowed to say anything that doesn’t fit with their narrative.
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I’ll say whatever the f a ck I like. Even if those who seem to be crawling up the backside of ace are giggling like prepubescent school kids every time ace digs someone out. It’s weird frankly.
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comment by Mack (U6574)
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comment by Mack (U6574)
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comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
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Weren’t not allowed to say anything that doesn’t fit with their narrative.
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I’ll say whatever the f a ck I like. Even if those who seem to be crawling up the backside of ace are giggling like prepubescent school kids every time ace digs someone out. It’s weird frankly.
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Quite.
Don’t get what they find so triggering about my comments but hey ho.
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Who gave this positive post one star ?
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
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Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
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In a window when our priority was a CB, we got one in, early in the month and a player who chose Spurs over Bayern.
After that everything else was a bonus really. I think we were willing to let Hojbjerg go but he didnt want to go.
One reason why we are well run is that we look to avoid over stacking the squad. We are not going to add Gallagher to a stable of Sarr Bissouma Hojbjerg Skipp Bentancur Maddison Lo Celso. It would be a waste of millions.
Just because we have the ability to spend, it does not mean we have to, or that we should be watseful.
All of these FFP figures roll over, so if we didnt spend it now, it makes this years figures look good meaning we have more ability to spend in the summer. Its not spend it now or lose it.
Overall, i think we are ahead of schedule. Did anyone expect us to be doing so well. The improvements have been fantastic. The squad evolution has been great and we're only 6 months in. It perhaps makes us more impatient to improve even more but these things really do take a bit of time and have to be carefully managed.
I think we can achieve good things this season and we will be on a very strong footing, both financially and on the pitch, to improve even more next season.
With the way our transfer dealings have gone over the last 18 months or so, I feel more confident that we have the right set up to bring in the players we want and need, and get rid of the unwanted.
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
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It’s not a hissy fit, it’s just musings.
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“I’ll have to do a Danny Rose and Google him”.
“So another child we’ll have to loan out”.
“Just asking”.
Leave it out Sizz, the continuous passive aggressive, sardonic one line comments having digs about the manager and signings and everything else. It’s the virtual equivalent of being stood there with your arms folded, lips pouted and insisting “I’m FINE” when clearly the painters are in and any minor issue is gonna get blown out of all proportion.
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Too Good !!!!!
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I get that on a daily basis with 12 year old twin girls !!
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God forbid anyone have a different opinion eh. Let’s just live in an echo chamber.
To be fair the Spurs pages on Facebook are even worse, it’s like a f*cking cult on there.
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You dont reason your misery!
In response to a signing of a highly promising kid who Barca wanted you say" another kids we'll loan out"
That is not incorrect, but when you look at how the likes of Sarr & Udogie have worked out for us, then there should be some confidence and excitement in this signing, not negativity. Not least because our last 2 signings have chosen us over Bayern & Barca.
You are free to have your own opinion but it is contrary to the consensus, so unless you just want to be thought of as some sort of unrealistic negative outlier, then you need to back up your opinion with reasoning.
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In a window when our priority was a CB, we got one in, early in the month and a player who chose Spurs over Bayern.
After that everything else was a bonus really. I think we were willing to let Hojbjerg go but he didnt want to go.
One reason why we are well run is that we look to avoid over stacking the squad. We are not going to add Gallagher to a stable of Sarr Bissouma Hojbjerg Skipp Bentancur Maddison Lo Celso. It would be a waste of millions.
Just because we have the ability to spend, it does not mean we have to, or that we should be watseful.
All of these FFP figures roll over, so if we didnt spend it now, it makes this years figures look good meaning we have more ability to spend in the summer. Its not spend it now or lose it.
Overall, i think we are ahead of schedule. Did anyone expect us to be doing so well. The improvements have been fantastic. The squad evolution has been great and we're only 6 months in. It perhaps makes us more impatient to improve even more but these things really do take a bit of time and have to be carefully managed.
I think we can achieve good things this season and we will be on a very strong footing, both financially and on the pitch, to improve even more next season.
With the way our transfer dealings have gone over the last 18 months or so, I feel more confident that we have the right set up to bring in the players we want and need, and get rid of the unwanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At last. Someone who can type an answer.
I am very impressed with the progress the club has made this season and think it centres around the absolute master strike of signing Ange. I watch games wishing I was there now, rather than putting the poor souls that we’re getting ripped off every week.
Ultimately though, spurs need to take that next step, something Enic have not been able to do in the past. This means we need to strengthen from a position of strength and actually start believing and expecting to win trophies. Not just being satisfied with being financially sound.
If Ange wants the club to drop 80 million on a number 9 in the summer, I fully expect the club to do it. Our recruitment over the last couple of seasons has been superb on the whole. It has got us back to where we were in 2018. Now can we actually show some ambition and sign the players needed to challenge for trophies? Or is it all just profiteering for Enic again and the club will once again level out?
We need to prove to these young potential superstars that Tottenham is the place to win trophies and you don’t need to go to Bayern Munich to do it.
That’s what I’m hoping for.
posted on 2/2/24
How can people be so impatient regarding FFP? The Premier League and UEFA have only just started punishing teams for overspending so we won't really see the benefits for a few years yet. Many big clubs considered to be in the second tier of traditional powerhouses, like Chelsea, relied on success and CL football to generate income. Our stadium means we are able to spend well even if we miss out on CL football. Most clubs have had to slow down spending because they've either overspent or not hand the on-field success to generate funds. We're not hamstrung by either of those issues but it won't happen overnight. What do some people expect? Us to blow 400m and join the rest of the desperate gang trying to balance the books? Come on.
Also, lets be honest, when Poch got us into the CL on a regular basis, we spent more on shiiiiit players than we ever did constructing that original team with Kane, Eriksen, Dembele etc. We clearly have more success buying the starts of the future rather than today. The last two years should teach us that. Barely a sniff of European football yet here were are with really, really smart buys like Vicario, Udogie, VDV and Sarr and every single one of them is within the price range of every Premier League club.
If FFP is upheld in the strictest of terms, I don't want Levy going anywhere. He's perfect for this era, assuming it sticks. In a world of free spending, he's useless but if you need someoen to generate money from nothing, he's your man.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
How can people be so impatient regarding FFP? The Premier League and UEFA have only just started punishing teams for overspending so we won't really see the benefits for a few years yet. Many big clubs considered to be in the second tier of traditional powerhouses, like Chelsea, relied on success and CL football to generate income. Our stadium means we are able to spend well even if we miss out on CL football. Most clubs have had to slow down spending because they've either overspent or not hand the on-field success to generate funds. We're not hamstrung by either of those issues but it won't happen overnight. What do some people expect? Us to blow 400m and join the rest of the desperate gang trying to balance the books? Come on.
Also, lets be honest, when Poch got us into the CL on a regular basis, we spent more on shiiiiit players than we ever did constructing that original team with Kane, Eriksen, Dembele etc. We clearly have more success buying the starts of the future rather than today. The last two years should teach us that. Barely a sniff of European football yet here were are with really, really smart buys like Vicario, Udogie, VDV and Sarr and every single one of them is within the price range of every Premier League club.
If FFP is upheld in the strictest of terms, I don't want Levy going anywhere. He's perfect for this era, assuming it sticks. In a world of free spending, he's useless but if you need someoen to generate money from nothing, he's your man.
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Again, not impatient, just looking for realism. All sorts of people saying all sorts of things about FFP. You think it will take years to bear its teeth? Perhaps. I’m still sceptical that it ever will. Until a club like Man City or Chelsea are actually brought to task about their dealings, then I will continue to be sceptical. If it turns out those clubs did nothing wrong, then I question the validity of the ffp rules.
It’s an interesting time for football. There are some very very rich people that will not benefit from ffp being implemented how spurs hope it will be and when rich people are put out, things tend to go a different way to how others hope.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In a window when our priority was a CB, we got one in, early in the month and a player who chose Spurs over Bayern.
After that everything else was a bonus really. I think we were willing to let Hojbjerg go but he didnt want to go.
One reason why we are well run is that we look to avoid over stacking the squad. We are not going to add Gallagher to a stable of Sarr Bissouma Hojbjerg Skipp Bentancur Maddison Lo Celso. It would be a waste of millions.
Just because we have the ability to spend, it does not mean we have to, or that we should be watseful.
All of these FFP figures roll over, so if we didnt spend it now, it makes this years figures look good meaning we have more ability to spend in the summer. Its not spend it now or lose it.
Overall, i think we are ahead of schedule. Did anyone expect us to be doing so well. The improvements have been fantastic. The squad evolution has been great and we're only 6 months in. It perhaps makes us more impatient to improve even more but these things really do take a bit of time and have to be carefully managed.
I think we can achieve good things this season and we will be on a very strong footing, both financially and on the pitch, to improve even more next season.
With the way our transfer dealings have gone over the last 18 months or so, I feel more confident that we have the right set up to bring in the players we want and need, and get rid of the unwanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At last. Someone who can type an answer.
I am very impressed with the progress the club has made this season and think it centres around the absolute master strike of signing Ange. I watch games wishing I was there now, rather than putting the poor souls that we’re getting ripped off every week.
Ultimately though, spurs need to take that next step, something Enic have not been able to do in the past. This means we need to strengthen from a position of strength and actually start believing and expecting to win trophies. Not just being satisfied with being financially sound.
If Ange wants the club to drop 80 million on a number 9 in the summer, I fully expect the club to do it. Our recruitment over the last couple of seasons has been superb on the whole. It has got us back to where we were in 2018. Now can we actually show some ambition and sign the players needed to challenge for trophies? Or is it all just profiteering for Enic again and the club will once again level out?
We need to prove to these young potential superstars that Tottenham is the place to win trophies and you don’t need to go to Bayern Munich to do it.
That’s what I’m hoping for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's really well put.
Levy will have to change his MO. He has oft been one demanding the most for our players but not prepared to pay a full value for anyone we want.
He must realise that to prise someone away from a club not wanting to sell, he must pay well and while that doesnt necessary need to be every signing we make, for key signings, sometimes we just need to get them over the line. For this summer, a striker/attacker must be the main target and like you say, if its gonna take £70m to get Olise or someone of similar quality then lets make it happen.
I think we will still be in a position where other clubs have financial constraints. CFCs issues will not evaporate. Man Utd have money but need to make a lot of changes to their squad. NUFC are handicapped by their low revenues. Villa have nothing like our purchasing power. .0We should be towards the top of the list of clubs that can attract and afford the sort of quality players we and other top clubs will be looking at.
We have already seen how we have paid more to get Dragusin and Bergvall in ahead of European mega clubs. We just need to do that at the top end.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
How can people be so impatient regarding FFP? The Premier League and UEFA have only just started punishing teams for overspending so we won't really see the benefits for a few years yet. Many big clubs considered to be in the second tier of traditional powerhouses, like Chelsea, relied on success and CL football to generate income. Our stadium means we are able to spend well even if we miss out on CL football. Most clubs have had to slow down spending because they've either overspent or not hand the on-field success to generate funds. We're not hamstrung by either of those issues but it won't happen overnight. What do some people expect? Us to blow 400m and join the rest of the desperate gang trying to balance the books? Come on.
Also, lets be honest, when Poch got us into the CL on a regular basis, we spent more on shiiiiit players than we ever did constructing that original team with Kane, Eriksen, Dembele etc. We clearly have more success buying the starts of the future rather than today. The last two years should teach us that. Barely a sniff of European football yet here were are with really, really smart buys like Vicario, Udogie, VDV and Sarr and every single one of them is within the price range of every Premier League club.
If FFP is upheld in the strictest of terms, I don't want Levy going anywhere. He's perfect for this era, assuming it sticks. In a world of free spending, he's useless but if you need someoen to generate money from nothing, he's your man.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, not impatient, just looking for realism. All sorts of people saying all sorts of things about FFP. You think it will take years to bear its teeth? Perhaps. I’m still sceptical that it ever will. Until a club like Man City or Chelsea are actually brought to task about their dealings, then I will continue to be sceptical. If it turns out those clubs did nothing wrong, then I question the validity of the ffp rules.
It’s an interesting time for football. There are some very very rich people that will not benefit from ffp being implemented how spurs hope it will be and when rich people are put out, things tend to go a different way to how others hope.
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Yes, but you're working under the assumption that those big clubs that want to spend like City are the bullies in this equation. They're not. I understand the cynicism here. It's perfectly plausible that City's size and power could see them be treated more leniently than Everton, for example, in which case you'd be right that the bigger clubs are treated differently and will therefore erode the authority of FFP but that's not the full story. What about Madrid, Barcelona, or any of the other mega clubs in Europe? They have huge sway in the game and they'd like nothing better than for the Premier League to curb it's spending. They're wolves in sheep's clothing but right now they'll be pushing for the Premier League big boys to be punished for overspending so the pressure is from both sides of the argument.
In an age where Everton have been given a 10 point punishment for being a few million over, the charges on City are off the scale. Some will be smaller, others will be larger but the Everton punishment sets a precedence. Personally I think they will face relegation, largely for inflating sponsorship deals with funds of their own. That's damning. Everton just overspent. City were actively money laundering really.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
How can people be so impatient regarding FFP? The Premier League and UEFA have only just started punishing teams for overspending so we won't really see the benefits for a few years yet. Many big clubs considered to be in the second tier of traditional powerhouses, like Chelsea, relied on success and CL football to generate income. Our stadium means we are able to spend well even if we miss out on CL football. Most clubs have had to slow down spending because they've either overspent or not hand the on-field success to generate funds. We're not hamstrung by either of those issues but it won't happen overnight. What do some people expect? Us to blow 400m and join the rest of the desperate gang trying to balance the books? Come on.
Also, lets be honest, when Poch got us into the CL on a regular basis, we spent more on shiiiiit players than we ever did constructing that original team with Kane, Eriksen, Dembele etc. We clearly have more success buying the starts of the future rather than today. The last two years should teach us that. Barely a sniff of European football yet here were are with really, really smart buys like Vicario, Udogie, VDV and Sarr and every single one of them is within the price range of every Premier League club.
If FFP is upheld in the strictest of terms, I don't want Levy going anywhere. He's perfect for this era, assuming it sticks. In a world of free spending, he's useless but if you need someoen to generate money from nothing, he's your man.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, not impatient, just looking for realism. All sorts of people saying all sorts of things about FFP. You think it will take years to bear its teeth? Perhaps. I’m still sceptical that it ever will. Until a club like Man City or Chelsea are actually brought to task about their dealings, then I will continue to be sceptical. If it turns out those clubs did nothing wrong, then I question the validity of the ffp rules.
It’s an interesting time for football. There are some very very rich people that will not benefit from ffp being implemented how spurs hope it will be and when rich people are put out, things tend to go a different way to how others hope.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The ESL is a great example of this.
Not only does it show European clubs desperation to try and level the financial playingfield with a very one-sided format, the fact so many PL teams bought into it shows the desperation of some PL clubs to earn more and more - many of them purely interested in enhancing the value of their investment (Utd, LFC) while others just not wanting to miss out on a gravy train (Spurs, Arsenal) .
What FFP seems to be achieving is a separation of those who are well run vs those who are not. Spurs now comfortably the biggest revenues in London and not because they have a wealthy owner, it's all self-generated and we are nowhere near our ceiling. Arsenal have built slowly but are also well run and able to spend big to improve their squad.
This should be rewarded, and I would rather competition is fought on this level, not just on whose owners are the wealthiest.
I like this new era, aside from the fact it will help Spurs, it just brings a bit more credibility and legitimacy back to this league which has been largely dominated by unlimited spending power for the last 25 years (since Abramovich really). I hope it sticks.
posted on 2/2/24
Pretty Much sums it up....
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-transfer-lucas-bergvall-dragusin-b1136593.html
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In a window when our priority was a CB, we got one in, early in the month and a player who chose Spurs over Bayern.
After that everything else was a bonus really. I think we were willing to let Hojbjerg go but he didnt want to go.
One reason why we are well run is that we look to avoid over stacking the squad. We are not going to add Gallagher to a stable of Sarr Bissouma Hojbjerg Skipp Bentancur Maddison Lo Celso. It would be a waste of millions.
Just because we have the ability to spend, it does not mean we have to, or that we should be watseful.
All of these FFP figures roll over, so if we didnt spend it now, it makes this years figures look good meaning we have more ability to spend in the summer. Its not spend it now or lose it.
Overall, i think we are ahead of schedule. Did anyone expect us to be doing so well. The improvements have been fantastic. The squad evolution has been great and we're only 6 months in. It perhaps makes us more impatient to improve even more but these things really do take a bit of time and have to be carefully managed.
I think we can achieve good things this season and we will be on a very strong footing, both financially and on the pitch, to improve even more next season.
With the way our transfer dealings have gone over the last 18 months or so, I feel more confident that we have the right set up to bring in the players we want and need, and get rid of the unwanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At last. Someone who can type an answer.
I am very impressed with the progress the club has made this season and think it centres around the absolute master strike of signing Ange. I watch games wishing I was there now, rather than putting the poor souls that we’re getting ripped off every week.
Ultimately though, spurs need to take that next step, something Enic have not been able to do in the past. This means we need to strengthen from a position of strength and actually start believing and expecting to win trophies. Not just being satisfied with being financially sound.
If Ange wants the club to drop 80 million on a number 9 in the summer, I fully expect the club to do it. Our recruitment over the last couple of seasons has been superb on the whole. It has got us back to where we were in 2018. Now can we actually show some ambition and sign the players needed to challenge for trophies? Or is it all just profiteering for Enic again and the club will once again level out?
We need to prove to these young potential superstars that Tottenham is the place to win trophies and you don’t need to go to Bayern Munich to do it.
That’s what I’m hoping for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's really well put.
Levy will have to change his MO. He has oft been one demanding the most for our players but not prepared to pay a full value for anyone we want.
He must realise that to prise someone away from a club not wanting to sell, he must pay well and while that doesnt necessary need to be every signing we make, for key signings, sometimes we just need to get them over the line. For this summer, a striker/attacker must be the main target and like you say, if its gonna take £70m to get Olise or someone of similar quality then lets make it happen.
I think we will still be in a position where other clubs have financial constraints. CFCs issues will not evaporate. Man Utd have money but need to make a lot of changes to their squad. NUFC are handicapped by their low revenues. Villa have nothing like our purchasing power. .0We should be towards the top of the list of clubs that can attract and afford the sort of quality players we and other top clubs will be looking at.
We have already seen how we have paid more to get Dragusin and Bergvall in ahead of European mega clubs. We just need to do that at the top end.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Couldn’t agree more. I’m seriously hoping that Enic have learnt their lessons from the past. Also the chance for levy to prove he was right by demonstrating spurs new found spending power, may just feed straight into his ego.
It’s exciting times that’s for sure, but we have been here before and THAT is the reason for my scepticism
posted on 2/2/24
So is this young lad an Ange no. 6 or an Ange no.8?
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Honestly our fans.
No other club does any business. We make three different types of signing - a loan to tide us over for a player who has slotted straight in and had an impact. A permanent signing of a highly rated CB - a player we’ve been tracking for a while and in an area of clear need. And a younger player that Barcelona were about to sign who has clearly been scouted as one for the future - y’know, to future proof the squad.
All sensible signings, about £35m spent. But you’ve stick got Mack whinging and Sizz doing his tiresome pouty girl with PMT routine because what, we didn’t sign Mbappe?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it? I’m not criticising our business, but it is not indicative of a supposed era where clubs are scrambling around to sell their best players to satisfy ffp and spurs are hoovering them up. As I said I don’t understand the ins and outs but I hear lots of praise for our managing of the ffp situation, so my question is WHEN will we see the effect of it? Chelsea didn’t have to sell Gallagher and I’m told it resets in June anyway?
I want spurs to show ambition for the now as well as the future, and, if this ffp thing is going how some fans tell me it is, then now is the time to have it large.
It’s healthy to question what you see rather than just believe what you’re told.
Feel free to go on about winging etc if you like though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In a window when our priority was a CB, we got one in, early in the month and a player who chose Spurs over Bayern.
After that everything else was a bonus really. I think we were willing to let Hojbjerg go but he didnt want to go.
One reason why we are well run is that we look to avoid over stacking the squad. We are not going to add Gallagher to a stable of Sarr Bissouma Hojbjerg Skipp Bentancur Maddison Lo Celso. It would be a waste of millions.
Just because we have the ability to spend, it does not mean we have to, or that we should be watseful.
All of these FFP figures roll over, so if we didnt spend it now, it makes this years figures look good meaning we have more ability to spend in the summer. Its not spend it now or lose it.
Overall, i think we are ahead of schedule. Did anyone expect us to be doing so well. The improvements have been fantastic. The squad evolution has been great and we're only 6 months in. It perhaps makes us more impatient to improve even more but these things really do take a bit of time and have to be carefully managed.
I think we can achieve good things this season and we will be on a very strong footing, both financially and on the pitch, to improve even more next season.
With the way our transfer dealings have gone over the last 18 months or so, I feel more confident that we have the right set up to bring in the players we want and need, and get rid of the unwanted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At last. Someone who can type an answer.
I am very impressed with the progress the club has made this season and think it centres around the absolute master strike of signing Ange. I watch games wishing I was there now, rather than putting the poor souls that we’re getting ripped off every week.
Ultimately though, spurs need to take that next step, something Enic have not been able to do in the past. This means we need to strengthen from a position of strength and actually start believing and expecting to win trophies. Not just being satisfied with being financially sound.
If Ange wants the club to drop 80 million on a number 9 in the summer, I fully expect the club to do it. Our recruitment over the last couple of seasons has been superb on the whole. It has got us back to where we were in 2018. Now can we actually show some ambition and sign the players needed to challenge for trophies? Or is it all just profiteering for Enic again and the club will once again level out?
We need to prove to these young potential superstars that Tottenham is the place to win trophies and you don’t need to go to Bayern Munich to do it.
That’s what I’m hoping for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's really well put.
Levy will have to change his MO. He has oft been one demanding the most for our players but not prepared to pay a full value for anyone we want.
He must realise that to prise someone away from a club not wanting to sell, he must pay well and while that doesnt necessary need to be every signing we make, for key signings, sometimes we just need to get them over the line. For this summer, a striker/attacker must be the main target and like you say, if its gonna take £70m to get Olise or someone of similar quality then lets make it happen.
I think we will still be in a position where other clubs have financial constraints. CFCs issues will not evaporate. Man Utd have money but need to make a lot of changes to their squad. NUFC are handicapped by their low revenues. Villa have nothing like our purchasing power. .0We should be towards the top of the list of clubs that can attract and afford the sort of quality players we and other top clubs will be looking at.
We have already seen how we have paid more to get Dragusin and Bergvall in ahead of European mega clubs. We just need to do that at the top end.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Couldn’t agree more. I’m seriously hoping that Enic have learnt their lessons from the past. Also the chance for levy to prove he was right by demonstrating spurs new found spending power, may just feed straight into his ego.
It’s exciting times that’s for sure, but we have been here before and THAT is the reason for my scepticism
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Understandable.
We all want that old dog to change his tricks 🐶
posted on 2/2/24
comment by EDDIEVH (U8193)
posted 15 minutes ago
So is this young lad an Ange no. 6 or an Ange no.8?
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8/10
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
Good for you.
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Maybe its a generational thing but I fail to see why fans get so worked up about this "Spursy" tag or rival fans taking a shot at us about not winning a trophy.... It doesn't bother me in the slightest. None of us work for the club or are responsible in any way. Take it on the chin, accept we have been crap and move on.
Chelsea & United are broken, City are highly dubious (despite the fantastic football)...... I suspect over the next few years there might be a few (including me !) that might look back on this period and accept that while he's made plenty of mistakes (who hasn't) that we owe levy a bit of an apology ! Yes he's still a money grabbing little b@stard...... but he's no fool
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We owe him an apology because he got lucky with his 5th choice manager?
Has HE apologised for Nuno yet?
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F*ck.. you are hard work
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RT
posted on 2/2/24
Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it?
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You saw it last summer and this window. Not sure if we are kings off FFP but we are 100% on the right side of it.
We had net spend of around €140m (Total spent €178m) in 21/22 and in 23/24 net spend of a €155m (Total spent
€272m). The Kane money obviously helps last summer.
We haven't had the accounts published for June 23 yet but that should include the CL money and the projections or rumours are £500m turnover. The profit will be interesting.
The key with FFP is not max out on it otherwise you are in Newcastle's situation where you might have to sell a big player to bring in another.
Being "the kings" or on the right side of FFP is good but it doesn't translate to silverware if thats what you are talking about.
It is just one element which can contribute to building the right squad.
posted on 2/2/24
Also this year's revenue will be down due no Euro competition but the Kane money should subsidise that.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it?
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You saw it last summer and this window. Not sure if we are kings off FFP but we are 100% on the right side of it.
We had net spend of around €140m (Total spent €178m) in 21/22 and in 23/24 net spend of a €155m (Total spent
€272m). The Kane money obviously helps last summer.
We haven't had the accounts published for June 23 yet but that should include the CL money and the projections or rumours are £500m turnover. The profit will be interesting.
The key with FFP is not max out on it otherwise you are in Newcastle's situation where you might have to sell a big player to bring in another.
Being "the kings" or on the right side of FFP is good but it doesn't translate to silverware if thats what you are talking about.
It is just one element which can contribute to building the right squad.
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With the 3 year FFP / PSR accounting period, you also have to be fairly consistent.
If Year 1 shows a profit but year Year 2 and 3 you spend big so have big losses, but overall remain compliant, BUT when you go into year 4, you lose the Year 1 Profit from the calculation. So that 4th year will need to show profit to keep things complaint so you may be forced to sell
Unless the profit/loss remains broadly consistent, it will be difficult to maintain continual investment and remain compliant, and you may be forced into situations like NUFC and EFC where you have to sell an asset to stay compliant.
posted on 2/2/24
Looking ahead to the summer we may still start €30m down due to Bergvall and if we take up Werner.
But on the bright side it is less than previous summers when we had to take up options on Romero €50m in 2022, then Kulu €30m and Porro €40m last summer.
Also this summer we can generate revenue from selling the likes of PEH, Sess, Gil, GLC, Skipp (for 100% profit) if need be. And we probably only need to make 4 max signings?
We are in a good place.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it?
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You saw it last summer and this window. Not sure if we are kings off FFP but we are 100% on the right side of it.
We had net spend of around €140m (Total spent €178m) in 21/22 and in 23/24 net spend of a €155m (Total spent
€272m). The Kane money obviously helps last summer.
We haven't had the accounts published for June 23 yet but that should include the CL money and the projections or rumours are £500m turnover. The profit will be interesting.
The key with FFP is not max out on it otherwise you are in Newcastle's situation where you might have to sell a big player to bring in another.
Being "the kings" or on the right side of FFP is good but it doesn't translate to silverware if thats what you are talking about.
It is just one element which can contribute to building the right squad.
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With the 3 year FFP / PSR accounting period, you also have to be fairly consistent.
If Year 1 shows a profit but year Year 2 and 3 you spend big so have big losses, but overall remain compliant, BUT when you go into year 4, you lose the Year 1 Profit from the calculation. So that 4th year will need to show profit to keep things complaint so you may be forced to sell
Unless the profit/loss remains broadly consistent, it will be difficult to maintain continual investment and remain compliant, and you may be forced into situations like NUFC and EFC where you have to sell an asset to stay compliant.
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Covid year we posted a lost of around £50m. That year will drop off now I think, as we have recorded profits for the next two subsequent years.
For last year I am expecting record profit and revenue.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
Again, not a moan, I’m just asking the question. Feel free to actually attempt to answer it . If we are kings of FFP , when will we start to see it?
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You saw it last summer and this window. Not sure if we are kings off FFP but we are 100% on the right side of it.
We had net spend of around €140m (Total spent €178m) in 21/22 and in 23/24 net spend of a €155m (Total spent
€272m). The Kane money obviously helps last summer.
We haven't had the accounts published for June 23 yet but that should include the CL money and the projections or rumours are £500m turnover. The profit will be interesting.
The key with FFP is not max out on it otherwise you are in Newcastle's situation where you might have to sell a big player to bring in another.
Being "the kings" or on the right side of FFP is good but it doesn't translate to silverware if thats what you are talking about.
It is just one element which can contribute to building the right squad.
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With the 3 year FFP / PSR accounting period, you also have to be fairly consistent.
If Year 1 shows a profit but year Year 2 and 3 you spend big so have big losses, but overall remain compliant, BUT when you go into year 4, you lose the Year 1 Profit from the calculation. So that 4th year will need to show profit to keep things complaint so you may be forced to sell
Unless the profit/loss remains broadly consistent, it will be difficult to maintain continual investment and remain compliant, and you may be forced into situations like NUFC and EFC where you have to sell an asset to stay compliant.
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Covid year we posted a lost of around £50m. That year will drop off now I think, as we have recorded profits for the next two subsequent years.
For last year I am expecting record profit and revenue.
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last figures, 21/22 (Conte 1st season) we showed a loss of £50m.
Levy previously reported that Covid cost us £150m and that is evidenced by the accounts which, for example show our Matchday in 21/22 to be £105m and in the lock down season to be £2m.
But i think the club felt these losses over 2 seasons, and in 20/21 and 19/20 we had losses of £84m and £64m, so that broadly tallies with the £150m covid losses Levy referred to.
Some payments (P.League and UEFA) were also deferred from the 19/20 season into the next accounting year as the season was extended to August, so 19/20 also saw lost prize money/commercial revenues & lost matchday, although the former was pushed into the next years figures.
I am not sure how they deal with that in FFP. But if you take the losses and make a £150m allowance for Covid impact, over the last 3 seasons were probably in a £50m loss position. If you add last season into the mix, we had UCL, sell outs etc so Our revenue should be about £550m, about £100m more than the previous season.
So while we also spent about £160m, without too many outgoings, I still think we will clear a very decent profit in the next round of accounts. Maybe £30m or so.
This would put our FFP position well inside compliance. Say £20m losses over the last 3 years, meaning in theory we could spend big next year, make a big loss and still be compliant. (But as mentioned above that does catch up with you in time, so its always best to try and keep consistent figures, not big losses and big profits).
Pure guestimations by me. Lets see if i am any where near when the figures come out, which will probably be this month.
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