Contes tenure is scarily similar to Anges if we are honest with ourselves albeit different styles of football.
you lucked out a lot of points last year. conte was crape.
comment by Del Big Ange Postecoglou (U22000)
posted 37 minutes ago
Contes tenure is scarily similar to Anges if we are honest with ourselves albeit different styles of football.
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You may think so but at nearly 2 pts a game that is not really a criticism.
It's what happens from here that will differentiate between Ange and Conte.
It remains a very sound start to the Ange era but he does need to get us back on track in the level of performance and results. At least we fan look back and know we can play much better. Looking back at the start of 22/23 under Conte there were few quality performances we could look at and think "that's the level we need to be at".
I see many very significant differences between Conte's Spurs then and Ange's now
Comment deleted by Article Creator
Stats may be similar but I don't think that's bad going considering you've lost Kane since last year. Things feel more positive for you guys at the moment whilst that final stretch under Conte was pretty toxic
It’s up to the board now. Ange is not changing his ways. We either give him the tools he needs or we continue to struggle with players like royal and Davies having to fill in where they’re not comfortable. It’s been a mixed start, I think it’s better now than it was then, I don’t hate my manager for a start and we’re not playing anti football. But unless the correct players are bought in the summer, I fear the Ange era may finish the same way as the conte era. And the mourinho era. And the Poch era etc etc and on and on it goes….
We had Kane last season. The End
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 30 minutes ago
It’s up to the board now. Ange is not changing his ways. We either give him the tools he needs or we continue to struggle with players like royal and Davies having to fill in where they’re not comfortable. It’s been a mixed start, I think it’s better now than it was then, I don’t hate my manager for a start and we’re not playing anti football. But unless the correct players are bought in the summer, I fear the Ange era may finish the same way as the conte era. And the mourinho era. And the Poch era etc etc and on and on it goes….
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Not all of those era's were down to the Board. Players and managers must also take responsibility for the failure to win a pot. With the clearest example of this being Ramos winning a cup with a poor squad and as one of our worst managers in recent times.
How we won nothing under Redknapp is all on him, not the owners as our squad was well stocked with quality. Poch got us to 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th but couldnt get us passed the likes of Palace and Sheff Utd in the cups. Jose got us to a final and if he stayed and won it we would still not be classing his time as successful. We were crap and getting worse.
Equally, the success under Ange is not purely down to the squad and the Board. We still need to improve on the pitch, make ourselves more secure, develop options to counter whatever the opposition throw at us. Our loss at the weekend was not down to Davies and Emerson. We have won games with those 2 at CB.
The Board, the manager and the players are all responsible for delivering.
My first thought was that Conte had Kane and Ange doesn't. But then again Conte didn't have Udogie, Vicario or VDV. I think Conte did well first year but I would far rather watch us now and our points total will be similar.
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
We had Kane last season. The End
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hmm I think, not kane himself, but the reliance on one man actually hindered spurs.
You now have maddison, vicario (much better keeper), pedro porro, udogie and VDV who look real improvements.
Not sure there's much difference at all tbh, but as someone said earlier on, it's where ange goes from here.
I personally think the wool is being pulled over spurs fans eyes but I can appreciate that they want attacking exciting football as fans too.
I thought the lack of insight to change tactics after the first 10 mins v chelsea was crazy.
Chelsea were getting in time and time again.
then the red card. Still no change.
Then the second red card, still no change.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
We had Kane last season. The End
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hmm I think, not kane himself, but the reliance on one man actually hindered spurs.
You now have maddison, vicario (much better keeper), pedro porro, udogie and VDV who look real improvements.
Not sure there's much difference at all tbh, but as someone said earlier on, it's where ange goes from here.
I personally think the wool is being pulled over spurs fans eyes but I can appreciate that they want attacking exciting football as fans too.
I thought the lack of insight to change tactics after the first 10 mins v chelsea was crazy.
Chelsea were getting in time and time again.
then the red card. Still no change.
Then the second red card, still no change.
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vs 9 men we went down throwing punches, not hiding from an inevitable beating.
I think most people have been too quick to judge Spurs all season long. An amazing start but clearly not strong enough in depth to seriously maintain that, unless some sort of Leicester miracle prevailed. But at the same time, the form over the last few months has been more patchy, which to a degree was inevitable as teams understand us more .
No team was developed in half a season. Klopp took LFC to 8th, as did Arteta, twice. Poch took Spurs to 5th but it was not that enjoyable.
Development comes with time and i think the foundations look very promising. Poch took us from conceding 53 gaols to 34 and then 26, while upping scoring from 58 to 86 in the same period.
Our first 10 games this season saw 9 conceded. So we need to get back to the levels we showed earlier on, cut out some of the silly errors, adapt a bit to reflect that teams will now play against us in a certain way....but its far too early to say that we're having the wool pulled over our eyes or that its an inflexible one tactic fits all approach.
We've made a fast start under a new regime and I will take that.
So while there isnt much to choose between both seasons, statistically we are doing better but you would also observe that many more of the results are deserved, rather than scraped.
….
Statistically Spurs are significantly worse this season than last season. Spurs expected points was 41.45 and expected goals against was 31.18 and expected goals for was 39.23. Spurs had 45 points and an actual
Goal difference of +10.
This season Spurs expected points is 36.70 and expected goals against is 45.71 and expected goals for is 46.98. Spurs have 47 points and an actual goal difference of +14 when it should be just over +1.
Spurs are conceding chances at a similar rate to sides that get relegated. Even Man Utd who can’t defend this season allowed fewer chances and have been playing different back 4’s and reserve back 4 most weeks.
This season has been somewhat skewed by what happened in the Chelsea game, which was a freak game. Let's not forget we were enjoying our best ever start to a PL season under Ange prior to that moment.
Then again no European football this time round compared to last season.
I'm still glad we have Ange and are at least playing or trying to play progressive football compared to what was going on last season.
Spurs a year on.
The same old sinking feeling.
Better football, Better feeling about the club but still miles behind City, Liverpool & Arsenal. (Proper teams who know how to attack and defend)
No chance of us winning a trophy until we dial back the all out attack philosophy a bit.
We are a "cartoon team".... Good fun/ entertaining for a couple of hours but you can't take us seriously at this point.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 hours, 38 minutes ago
Spurs a year on.
The same old sinking feeling.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only from you sizzle🤔
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 day, 10 hours ago
This season has been somewhat skewed by what happened in the Chelsea game, which was a freak game. Let's not forget we were enjoying our best ever start to a PL season under Ange prior to that moment.
Then again no European football this time round compared to last season.
I'm still glad we have Ange and are at least playing or trying to play progressive football compared to what was going on last season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not an all out attack philosophy in the same way that City's isnt an all out attack philiosophy.
Its about discipline within a very attacking, front foot, possession based aggressive approach.
So many of our recent goals have been sloppy - By Bissouma vs Wolves and the 5 guys tracking back who failed to track 2 runners. Udogie ,caught in possession and his back pass, poor discipline at set pieces. Generally our high press has eased off.
I was listening to the City games on the radio the other night and they were criticised for being hit on the counter attack, Chelsea exploiting the space their high line left. Pundits & fans do not seem to be able to compute that the high line is an essential part of the high press. Compressing space allows you to crowd the opposition and recover the ball. Drop the high line and you are suddenly trying to cover much larger areas. It is an essential evil, and where you are exposed is where you are sloppy in possession and fail to recover or slow down the ball quickly enough. City rarely fail in this area but Spurs are at the moment. Not because we have a high line or attacking FBs but because we are not yet drilled enough in retaining and recovering possession. It will come!
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
We hope.
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Football is 90% hope.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
We hope.
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Football is 90% hope.
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For the fans or the players?
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posted on 20/2/24
Contes tenure is scarily similar to Anges if we are honest with ourselves albeit different styles of football.
posted on 20/2/24
you lucked out a lot of points last year. conte was crape.
posted on 20/2/24
comment by Del Big Ange Postecoglou (U22000)
posted 37 minutes ago
Contes tenure is scarily similar to Anges if we are honest with ourselves albeit different styles of football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You may think so but at nearly 2 pts a game that is not really a criticism.
It's what happens from here that will differentiate between Ange and Conte.
It remains a very sound start to the Ange era but he does need to get us back on track in the level of performance and results. At least we fan look back and know we can play much better. Looking back at the start of 22/23 under Conte there were few quality performances we could look at and think "that's the level we need to be at".
I see many very significant differences between Conte's Spurs then and Ange's now
posted on 20/2/24
Comment deleted by Article Creator
posted on 20/2/24
Stats may be similar but I don't think that's bad going considering you've lost Kane since last year. Things feel more positive for you guys at the moment whilst that final stretch under Conte was pretty toxic
posted on 20/2/24
It’s up to the board now. Ange is not changing his ways. We either give him the tools he needs or we continue to struggle with players like royal and Davies having to fill in where they’re not comfortable. It’s been a mixed start, I think it’s better now than it was then, I don’t hate my manager for a start and we’re not playing anti football. But unless the correct players are bought in the summer, I fear the Ange era may finish the same way as the conte era. And the mourinho era. And the Poch era etc etc and on and on it goes….
posted on 20/2/24
We had Kane last season. The End
posted on 20/2/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 30 minutes ago
It’s up to the board now. Ange is not changing his ways. We either give him the tools he needs or we continue to struggle with players like royal and Davies having to fill in where they’re not comfortable. It’s been a mixed start, I think it’s better now than it was then, I don’t hate my manager for a start and we’re not playing anti football. But unless the correct players are bought in the summer, I fear the Ange era may finish the same way as the conte era. And the mourinho era. And the Poch era etc etc and on and on it goes….
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not all of those era's were down to the Board. Players and managers must also take responsibility for the failure to win a pot. With the clearest example of this being Ramos winning a cup with a poor squad and as one of our worst managers in recent times.
How we won nothing under Redknapp is all on him, not the owners as our squad was well stocked with quality. Poch got us to 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th but couldnt get us passed the likes of Palace and Sheff Utd in the cups. Jose got us to a final and if he stayed and won it we would still not be classing his time as successful. We were crap and getting worse.
Equally, the success under Ange is not purely down to the squad and the Board. We still need to improve on the pitch, make ourselves more secure, develop options to counter whatever the opposition throw at us. Our loss at the weekend was not down to Davies and Emerson. We have won games with those 2 at CB.
The Board, the manager and the players are all responsible for delivering.
posted on 20/2/24
My first thought was that Conte had Kane and Ange doesn't. But then again Conte didn't have Udogie, Vicario or VDV. I think Conte did well first year but I would far rather watch us now and our points total will be similar.
posted on 20/2/24
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
We had Kane last season. The End
----------------------------------------------------------------------
hmm I think, not kane himself, but the reliance on one man actually hindered spurs.
You now have maddison, vicario (much better keeper), pedro porro, udogie and VDV who look real improvements.
Not sure there's much difference at all tbh, but as someone said earlier on, it's where ange goes from here.
I personally think the wool is being pulled over spurs fans eyes but I can appreciate that they want attacking exciting football as fans too.
I thought the lack of insight to change tactics after the first 10 mins v chelsea was crazy.
Chelsea were getting in time and time again.
then the red card. Still no change.
Then the second red card, still no change.
posted on 20/2/24
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
We had Kane last season. The End
----------------------------------------------------------------------
hmm I think, not kane himself, but the reliance on one man actually hindered spurs.
You now have maddison, vicario (much better keeper), pedro porro, udogie and VDV who look real improvements.
Not sure there's much difference at all tbh, but as someone said earlier on, it's where ange goes from here.
I personally think the wool is being pulled over spurs fans eyes but I can appreciate that they want attacking exciting football as fans too.
I thought the lack of insight to change tactics after the first 10 mins v chelsea was crazy.
Chelsea were getting in time and time again.
then the red card. Still no change.
Then the second red card, still no change.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
vs 9 men we went down throwing punches, not hiding from an inevitable beating.
I think most people have been too quick to judge Spurs all season long. An amazing start but clearly not strong enough in depth to seriously maintain that, unless some sort of Leicester miracle prevailed. But at the same time, the form over the last few months has been more patchy, which to a degree was inevitable as teams understand us more .
No team was developed in half a season. Klopp took LFC to 8th, as did Arteta, twice. Poch took Spurs to 5th but it was not that enjoyable.
Development comes with time and i think the foundations look very promising. Poch took us from conceding 53 gaols to 34 and then 26, while upping scoring from 58 to 86 in the same period.
Our first 10 games this season saw 9 conceded. So we need to get back to the levels we showed earlier on, cut out some of the silly errors, adapt a bit to reflect that teams will now play against us in a certain way....but its far too early to say that we're having the wool pulled over our eyes or that its an inflexible one tactic fits all approach.
We've made a fast start under a new regime and I will take that.
posted on 20/2/24
So while there isnt much to choose between both seasons, statistically we are doing better but you would also observe that many more of the results are deserved, rather than scraped.
….
Statistically Spurs are significantly worse this season than last season. Spurs expected points was 41.45 and expected goals against was 31.18 and expected goals for was 39.23. Spurs had 45 points and an actual
Goal difference of +10.
This season Spurs expected points is 36.70 and expected goals against is 45.71 and expected goals for is 46.98. Spurs have 47 points and an actual goal difference of +14 when it should be just over +1.
posted on 20/2/24
Spurs are conceding chances at a similar rate to sides that get relegated. Even Man Utd who can’t defend this season allowed fewer chances and have been playing different back 4’s and reserve back 4 most weeks.
posted on 20/2/24
This season has been somewhat skewed by what happened in the Chelsea game, which was a freak game. Let's not forget we were enjoying our best ever start to a PL season under Ange prior to that moment.
Then again no European football this time round compared to last season.
I'm still glad we have Ange and are at least playing or trying to play progressive football compared to what was going on last season.
posted on 21/2/24
Spurs a year on.
The same old sinking feeling.
posted on 21/2/24
Better football, Better feeling about the club but still miles behind City, Liverpool & Arsenal. (Proper teams who know how to attack and defend)
No chance of us winning a trophy until we dial back the all out attack philosophy a bit.
We are a "cartoon team".... Good fun/ entertaining for a couple of hours but you can't take us seriously at this point.
posted on 21/2/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 hours, 38 minutes ago
Spurs a year on.
The same old sinking feeling.
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Only from you sizzle🤔
posted on 22/2/24
Each to their own.
posted on 22/2/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 day, 10 hours ago
This season has been somewhat skewed by what happened in the Chelsea game, which was a freak game. Let's not forget we were enjoying our best ever start to a PL season under Ange prior to that moment.
Then again no European football this time round compared to last season.
I'm still glad we have Ange and are at least playing or trying to play progressive football compared to what was going on last season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not an all out attack philosophy in the same way that City's isnt an all out attack philiosophy.
Its about discipline within a very attacking, front foot, possession based aggressive approach.
So many of our recent goals have been sloppy - By Bissouma vs Wolves and the 5 guys tracking back who failed to track 2 runners. Udogie ,caught in possession and his back pass, poor discipline at set pieces. Generally our high press has eased off.
I was listening to the City games on the radio the other night and they were criticised for being hit on the counter attack, Chelsea exploiting the space their high line left. Pundits & fans do not seem to be able to compute that the high line is an essential part of the high press. Compressing space allows you to crowd the opposition and recover the ball. Drop the high line and you are suddenly trying to cover much larger areas. It is an essential evil, and where you are exposed is where you are sloppy in possession and fail to recover or slow down the ball quickly enough. City rarely fail in this area but Spurs are at the moment. Not because we have a high line or attacking FBs but because we are not yet drilled enough in retaining and recovering possession. It will come!
posted on 22/2/24
We hope.
posted on 22/2/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
We hope.
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Football is 90% hope.
posted on 22/2/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
We hope.
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Football is 90% hope.
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For the fans or the players?
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