Oohhh I'll give that a read later.
Finally seems like we may be doing due diligence on players.
I just called, to say, I love you.
100% this is the right approach. It sounds very similar to Pep and City's attitude about players wanting to leave being free to leave.. we only want you if you want to be here
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 49 minutes ago
I just called, to say, I love you.
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sorry, I was on the other line.
Did you leave a message?
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 50 minutes ago
100% this is the right approach. It sounds very similar to Pep and City's attitude about players wanting to leave being free to leave.. we only want you if you want to be here
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Its the crucial part of due diligence. Scouts do the work of finding the right skill sets, but really it should be the manager sharing his vision while also getting to understand the players mindset before a decision is made by either party.
We haven't been sharp enough in this area over the years and someone like NDombele is a classic example
This is always going to be beneficial to us. Taking the time to know the player and his mentality before we sign them. This sort of approach may have seen us avoid some of the duds we've bought in recent times.
The man management side and the profile of player Ange wants isn't something we have to worry about. It definitely makes me believe we have the right manager and to be optimistic for us going forward.
Now if he can just sweet talk the ones he has into finishing in the top 4, that would be lovely!
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
Now if he can just sweet talk the ones he has into finishing in the top 4, that would be lovely!
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We'll get a better idea with the next set of fixtures. We should be winning most of the games up to the City fixture and making sure we don't lose to Villa.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
Now if he can just sweet talk the ones he has into finishing in the top 4, that would be lovely!
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We'll get a better idea with the next set of fixtures. We should be winning most of the games up to the City fixture and making sure we don't lose to Villa.
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Yes, we keep saying that!
It’s almost March, the time to dare and do is now!
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
Now if he can just sweet talk the ones he has into finishing in the top 4, that would be lovely!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We'll get a better idea with the next set of fixtures. We should be winning most of the games up to the City fixture and making sure we don't lose to Villa.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, we keep saying that!
It’s almost March, the time to dare and do is now!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know
But to be fair against Wolves we were missing our 2 first team full backs who can make a difference. Anyway, we'll know more or less whether we're getting back on track to where we were at the start if we win the majority of our next 6 or 7 fixtures. If we don't then top 4 may be unlikely. Either way Ange will be here for next season.
Remember hearing this on the Guardian weekly podcast at the time but I thought it's worth sharing...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/cant-stand-him-top-uk-journo-causes-stir-with-bizarre-takedown-of-salesman-ange-postecoglou/news-story/44efbc1d12fc2d8baa43ef808807541b
In short, I really can't see 'the call' working on Jonathan Liew. He feckin hates Ange. On the face of it, I think I'd find his Aussie 'mate' persona a bit grating were he not our manager. The interesting part is that this is from back in November when we were riding high in the league. The drop off he talks about has happened so his case shouldn't be dismissed but it's certainly unusual to see a respected journo dig the knife in this deep on a manager. I doubt it's the level of diplomacy expected of his publisher because he runs the risk of not being invited to press conferences in future.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 13 minutes ago
Remember hearing this on the Guardian weekly podcast at the time but I thought it's worth sharing...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/cant-stand-him-top-uk-journo-causes-stir-with-bizarre-takedown-of-salesman-ange-postecoglou/news-story/44efbc1d12fc2d8baa43ef808807541b
In short, I really can't see 'the call' working on Jonathan Liew. He feckin hates Ange. On the face of it, I think I'd find his Aussie 'mate' persona a bit grating were he not our manager. The interesting part is that this is from back in November when we were riding high in the league. The drop off he talks about has happened so his case shouldn't be dismissed but it's certainly unusual to see a respected journo dig the knife in this deep on a manager. I doubt it's the level of diplomacy expected of his publisher because he runs the risk of not being invited to press conferences in future.
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The comment on Liew that " he's a drunk in a pub that thinks he's funny" says it all.
On the surface, Postecoglou has done a sterling job with a club that lost its star player Harry Kane on the eve of the season yet finds itself fifth in the table, having lost just six of their 25 Premier League matches this campaign and only two of their past 10 games in the competition.
Yet it is behind the scenes that Spurs' academy director Simon Davies believes Postecoglou is doing even more impressive work in transforming the culture of the north London club and its infrastructure. Davies came through the academy at Manchester United to play under Sir Alex and he can see parallels between how the two experienced managers operate on a wider club level.
"I think it's probably even underestimated what he's done," Davies said of Postecoglou on the club's 'Off The Shelf' podcast. "I see day-to-day in terms of...firstly is he a top coach and a top manager? Yes. But more importantly I kind of see, and you've asked me questions about Ferguson back in the day, Ferguson changed the culture and I do believe that Ange is doing exactly that.
"He's got class about him, he knows what he wants. We were talking about that clarity of the way he wants to play, it's not stubborn but it's a huge belief in the way he wants to do something and he's had success doing it in the past.
"But everyone is talking about the impact he's made, and that's probably external, and it deserves the merit that it's received, that's for sure. But internally you see what an impact he is having around the club and, for me, that is probably more impressive. He's got everyone raising the bar and he has had that impact at the football club."
Davies has a good relationship with Postecoglou, with the Australian having recently publicly praised the 49-year-old former head of academy coaching at Manchester City for his own work in improving Tottenham's academy with a number of young players supplementing the first team during this season's injury crisis. The duo have scheduled key meetings about the academy every fortnight, but also speak in between about plenty of matters around the club.
"With Ange we speak, well we spoke this morning. We have roughly a bi-weekly meeting but we speak in between ad hoc," explained the Tottenham academy supremo. "Obviously he is busy with all the first-team stuff going on but he always gives you that time. That's what I mean by the class of the man and the impact he's had around the place.
"It has to be a close relationship but my job as well is I've got to make sure that the players are good enough and they are around it right now, but it is tough and the reality is our young players have got to be better than what's in the first team. It's the same around the country. There's no God-given right to get in our first team, it's a tough point to achieve in your career but the manager I know for sure will give opportunities as and when the time is right.
"You talk about the lads getting around the bench, part of that is because they have merited it and part of that is because of the injuries. There's always that factor there, but they've got to do it consistently. It doesn't just come because you've done it for a month, you have to do it consistently just for the next 20 odd years. That's the level.
"The talent will take them where it's going to take them but we have, in my opinion, got some top talent in the academy coming through. I'll always want more of it and I'll always be asking the question of just making it an even tougher environment for our young players coming through and get even more quality in there from outside because we're doing a good job in the rules and parameters that we work within as every Premier League academy does. We are in the ballpark, we are in the right ballpark but I'll keep pushing."
Jamie Donley has made his Premier League debut this season and the 19-year-old has now made four appearances for Postecoglou in a campaign in which he has shone for the club's U21s. Being able to develop academy players to get in and around the first team set-up in order to take advantage of any opportunities that arise is key and while he believes there is plenty of to work to be done with Spurs' youth set-up, Davies feels there are a few team-mates who can join Donley in making that big step to follow the likes of Kane and Oliver Skipp from the academy.
"You can't underestimate the impact [getting a player into the first team] has. It impacts everything, the fans, the fellow [academy] players, our recruiters. They go out and try to do their job and they've got something to say 'look there's a pathway'," he said. "I talk to [Postecoglou] regularly like I say and the manager believes in it. My task is to make sure that the players are good enough because, I do believe we have some coming through who will be of the level, but still it's just potential at the moment. I've seen a lot of potential in the past, and I was probably that potential that didn't make it.
"We've talked about [Keith] Gillespie already and that high, high potential better than me. He still did well and went to Newcastle United [from Manchester United] but still didn't have the career [as others from the Class of '92 had]. All these journeys are different but we definitely have some high potential in the academy and we'll see where their journey takes them."
Tottenham have flip-flopped with their style of managers and football in the past half a decade at a first team level, going from Mauricio Pochettino to the very different Jose Mourinho, then from Nuno Espirito Santo to Antonio Conte and now to an entirely different kind of coach in Postecoglou.
For Davies, the focus should be that regardless of what is going on at the top, the ethos and style of the academy and the way the younger teams play must not deviate.
"In my opinion, it makes it easier to develop a player if everything goes all the way through. For example, at other clubs, unless Wenger and Ferguson stay for a long time as a first team manager, we all know the stats for the lifespan of a first team manager. If you were to change [the academy ethos] every time the manager changes you're going to affect 250-odd young footballers at a club, you would be changing a coaching philosophy and methodology every time," he explained.
"So in my humble opinion, it's best to have one way of playing and keep to it because of the changes that can happen at the very top. The second part to that really is if you've got a manager like we have now with the way our principles are about playing out from the back and the way we press, we're very aggressive, that's all the way through.
"If we're going to develop a player through to the first team, it's not easy, it's always going to be difficult because we're aiming to be a Champions League team, but it's not impossible. It makes it slightly easier if you're all playing the same way."
Spurs' youth teams have been flying this season with the unbeaten U21s top of the Premier League 2 table and the U18s riding high and through to the FA Youth Cup quarter-finals, in which they travel to Manchester City this weekend. Last season the club's U18s and U17s won both of their respective Premier League Cups and Davies spoke about the balance between winning and developing as Tottenham try to produce players for the first team.
"There's always that balance, there's that bit where, and I'm not trying to take away anything anyone's done as I'm big into winning and people will go against that with 'is it development, is it winning?', for me you've got to develop winners. I like them to win. I want them to get up in the morning and think 'I'm going to give everything to achieve today', but sometimes in the U18s and U21s, it isn't just about winning," he said. "They've got to present the right standards and the right behaviours every day. So I want to win but I would not sacrifice the standards and behaviours for the sake of winning.
"The bottom line is getting every player to reach that potential. We have some, very few, but we have some who have the potential to help the first team, and I say few because I'm not trying to say we haven't got talent, because we have, but where this football club is going and should be going is the very top. So to get a lad ready for Champions League football is a tough ask, but we have a few in the building who I think could be around that.
"But then we also have a duty of care to make sure lads fulfil their potential to either be a value player for us but not be a first team player, but also that third pot of fulfilling their potential and having a career in football. We just want to help them all."
(Football London - Alasdair Gold)
Seems like we are starting to do most things right as a club now.
It's taken its goddamn time and 'best practice' is always a moving feast but from the Director setup, through to the scouting and recruitment, the coaching and the academy, added of course to our financial strength, things all seem to be very well-structured.
I hope all of this works together to bring us some genuinely, long term success. COYS!
Have always said it will take at least 1- 2 full seasons for the “Ange Effect “ be fully integrated at the club.
Once he has a few more additions to the squad of QUALITY players then I believe we will be a force to reckon with.
We have seen some quality moments so far this season which increases fans expectations. However I am a realist and if we get at least Europa League I will be happy. However if we get CL then it will have exceeded my expectations of Ange’s first season at Spurs.👍
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posted on 27/2/24
Oohhh I'll give that a read later.
Finally seems like we may be doing due diligence on players.
posted on 27/2/24
I just called, to say, I love you.
posted on 27/2/24
100% this is the right approach. It sounds very similar to Pep and City's attitude about players wanting to leave being free to leave.. we only want you if you want to be here
posted on 27/2/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 49 minutes ago
I just called, to say, I love you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
sorry, I was on the other line.
Did you leave a message?
posted on 27/2/24
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 50 minutes ago
100% this is the right approach. It sounds very similar to Pep and City's attitude about players wanting to leave being free to leave.. we only want you if you want to be here
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its the crucial part of due diligence. Scouts do the work of finding the right skill sets, but really it should be the manager sharing his vision while also getting to understand the players mindset before a decision is made by either party.
We haven't been sharp enough in this area over the years and someone like NDombele is a classic example
posted on 27/2/24
This is always going to be beneficial to us. Taking the time to know the player and his mentality before we sign them. This sort of approach may have seen us avoid some of the duds we've bought in recent times.
The man management side and the profile of player Ange wants isn't something we have to worry about. It definitely makes me believe we have the right manager and to be optimistic for us going forward.
posted on 27/2/24
Now if he can just sweet talk the ones he has into finishing in the top 4, that would be lovely!
posted on 27/2/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
Now if he can just sweet talk the ones he has into finishing in the top 4, that would be lovely!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We'll get a better idea with the next set of fixtures. We should be winning most of the games up to the City fixture and making sure we don't lose to Villa.
posted on 27/2/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
Now if he can just sweet talk the ones he has into finishing in the top 4, that would be lovely!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We'll get a better idea with the next set of fixtures. We should be winning most of the games up to the City fixture and making sure we don't lose to Villa.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, we keep saying that!
It’s almost March, the time to dare and do is now!
posted on 27/2/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
Now if he can just sweet talk the ones he has into finishing in the top 4, that would be lovely!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We'll get a better idea with the next set of fixtures. We should be winning most of the games up to the City fixture and making sure we don't lose to Villa.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, we keep saying that!
It’s almost March, the time to dare and do is now!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know
But to be fair against Wolves we were missing our 2 first team full backs who can make a difference. Anyway, we'll know more or less whether we're getting back on track to where we were at the start if we win the majority of our next 6 or 7 fixtures. If we don't then top 4 may be unlikely. Either way Ange will be here for next season.
posted on 27/2/24
Remember hearing this on the Guardian weekly podcast at the time but I thought it's worth sharing...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/cant-stand-him-top-uk-journo-causes-stir-with-bizarre-takedown-of-salesman-ange-postecoglou/news-story/44efbc1d12fc2d8baa43ef808807541b
In short, I really can't see 'the call' working on Jonathan Liew. He feckin hates Ange. On the face of it, I think I'd find his Aussie 'mate' persona a bit grating were he not our manager. The interesting part is that this is from back in November when we were riding high in the league. The drop off he talks about has happened so his case shouldn't be dismissed but it's certainly unusual to see a respected journo dig the knife in this deep on a manager. I doubt it's the level of diplomacy expected of his publisher because he runs the risk of not being invited to press conferences in future.
posted on 27/2/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 13 minutes ago
Remember hearing this on the Guardian weekly podcast at the time but I thought it's worth sharing...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/cant-stand-him-top-uk-journo-causes-stir-with-bizarre-takedown-of-salesman-ange-postecoglou/news-story/44efbc1d12fc2d8baa43ef808807541b
In short, I really can't see 'the call' working on Jonathan Liew. He feckin hates Ange. On the face of it, I think I'd find his Aussie 'mate' persona a bit grating were he not our manager. The interesting part is that this is from back in November when we were riding high in the league. The drop off he talks about has happened so his case shouldn't be dismissed but it's certainly unusual to see a respected journo dig the knife in this deep on a manager. I doubt it's the level of diplomacy expected of his publisher because he runs the risk of not being invited to press conferences in future.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The comment on Liew that " he's a drunk in a pub that thinks he's funny" says it all.
posted on 28/2/24
On the surface, Postecoglou has done a sterling job with a club that lost its star player Harry Kane on the eve of the season yet finds itself fifth in the table, having lost just six of their 25 Premier League matches this campaign and only two of their past 10 games in the competition.
Yet it is behind the scenes that Spurs' academy director Simon Davies believes Postecoglou is doing even more impressive work in transforming the culture of the north London club and its infrastructure. Davies came through the academy at Manchester United to play under Sir Alex and he can see parallels between how the two experienced managers operate on a wider club level.
"I think it's probably even underestimated what he's done," Davies said of Postecoglou on the club's 'Off The Shelf' podcast. "I see day-to-day in terms of...firstly is he a top coach and a top manager? Yes. But more importantly I kind of see, and you've asked me questions about Ferguson back in the day, Ferguson changed the culture and I do believe that Ange is doing exactly that.
"He's got class about him, he knows what he wants. We were talking about that clarity of the way he wants to play, it's not stubborn but it's a huge belief in the way he wants to do something and he's had success doing it in the past.
"But everyone is talking about the impact he's made, and that's probably external, and it deserves the merit that it's received, that's for sure. But internally you see what an impact he is having around the club and, for me, that is probably more impressive. He's got everyone raising the bar and he has had that impact at the football club."
Davies has a good relationship with Postecoglou, with the Australian having recently publicly praised the 49-year-old former head of academy coaching at Manchester City for his own work in improving Tottenham's academy with a number of young players supplementing the first team during this season's injury crisis. The duo have scheduled key meetings about the academy every fortnight, but also speak in between about plenty of matters around the club.
"With Ange we speak, well we spoke this morning. We have roughly a bi-weekly meeting but we speak in between ad hoc," explained the Tottenham academy supremo. "Obviously he is busy with all the first-team stuff going on but he always gives you that time. That's what I mean by the class of the man and the impact he's had around the place.
"It has to be a close relationship but my job as well is I've got to make sure that the players are good enough and they are around it right now, but it is tough and the reality is our young players have got to be better than what's in the first team. It's the same around the country. There's no God-given right to get in our first team, it's a tough point to achieve in your career but the manager I know for sure will give opportunities as and when the time is right.
"You talk about the lads getting around the bench, part of that is because they have merited it and part of that is because of the injuries. There's always that factor there, but they've got to do it consistently. It doesn't just come because you've done it for a month, you have to do it consistently just for the next 20 odd years. That's the level.
"The talent will take them where it's going to take them but we have, in my opinion, got some top talent in the academy coming through. I'll always want more of it and I'll always be asking the question of just making it an even tougher environment for our young players coming through and get even more quality in there from outside because we're doing a good job in the rules and parameters that we work within as every Premier League academy does. We are in the ballpark, we are in the right ballpark but I'll keep pushing."
Jamie Donley has made his Premier League debut this season and the 19-year-old has now made four appearances for Postecoglou in a campaign in which he has shone for the club's U21s. Being able to develop academy players to get in and around the first team set-up in order to take advantage of any opportunities that arise is key and while he believes there is plenty of to work to be done with Spurs' youth set-up, Davies feels there are a few team-mates who can join Donley in making that big step to follow the likes of Kane and Oliver Skipp from the academy.
"You can't underestimate the impact [getting a player into the first team] has. It impacts everything, the fans, the fellow [academy] players, our recruiters. They go out and try to do their job and they've got something to say 'look there's a pathway'," he said. "I talk to [Postecoglou] regularly like I say and the manager believes in it. My task is to make sure that the players are good enough because, I do believe we have some coming through who will be of the level, but still it's just potential at the moment. I've seen a lot of potential in the past, and I was probably that potential that didn't make it.
"We've talked about [Keith] Gillespie already and that high, high potential better than me. He still did well and went to Newcastle United [from Manchester United] but still didn't have the career [as others from the Class of '92 had]. All these journeys are different but we definitely have some high potential in the academy and we'll see where their journey takes them."
Tottenham have flip-flopped with their style of managers and football in the past half a decade at a first team level, going from Mauricio Pochettino to the very different Jose Mourinho, then from Nuno Espirito Santo to Antonio Conte and now to an entirely different kind of coach in Postecoglou.
For Davies, the focus should be that regardless of what is going on at the top, the ethos and style of the academy and the way the younger teams play must not deviate.
"In my opinion, it makes it easier to develop a player if everything goes all the way through. For example, at other clubs, unless Wenger and Ferguson stay for a long time as a first team manager, we all know the stats for the lifespan of a first team manager. If you were to change [the academy ethos] every time the manager changes you're going to affect 250-odd young footballers at a club, you would be changing a coaching philosophy and methodology every time," he explained.
"So in my humble opinion, it's best to have one way of playing and keep to it because of the changes that can happen at the very top. The second part to that really is if you've got a manager like we have now with the way our principles are about playing out from the back and the way we press, we're very aggressive, that's all the way through.
"If we're going to develop a player through to the first team, it's not easy, it's always going to be difficult because we're aiming to be a Champions League team, but it's not impossible. It makes it slightly easier if you're all playing the same way."
Spurs' youth teams have been flying this season with the unbeaten U21s top of the Premier League 2 table and the U18s riding high and through to the FA Youth Cup quarter-finals, in which they travel to Manchester City this weekend. Last season the club's U18s and U17s won both of their respective Premier League Cups and Davies spoke about the balance between winning and developing as Tottenham try to produce players for the first team.
"There's always that balance, there's that bit where, and I'm not trying to take away anything anyone's done as I'm big into winning and people will go against that with 'is it development, is it winning?', for me you've got to develop winners. I like them to win. I want them to get up in the morning and think 'I'm going to give everything to achieve today', but sometimes in the U18s and U21s, it isn't just about winning," he said. "They've got to present the right standards and the right behaviours every day. So I want to win but I would not sacrifice the standards and behaviours for the sake of winning.
"The bottom line is getting every player to reach that potential. We have some, very few, but we have some who have the potential to help the first team, and I say few because I'm not trying to say we haven't got talent, because we have, but where this football club is going and should be going is the very top. So to get a lad ready for Champions League football is a tough ask, but we have a few in the building who I think could be around that.
"But then we also have a duty of care to make sure lads fulfil their potential to either be a value player for us but not be a first team player, but also that third pot of fulfilling their potential and having a career in football. We just want to help them all."
(Football London - Alasdair Gold)
posted on 28/2/24
Seems like we are starting to do most things right as a club now.
It's taken its goddamn time and 'best practice' is always a moving feast but from the Director setup, through to the scouting and recruitment, the coaching and the academy, added of course to our financial strength, things all seem to be very well-structured.
I hope all of this works together to bring us some genuinely, long term success. COYS!
posted on 29/2/24
Amen!
posted on 1/3/24
Have always said it will take at least 1- 2 full seasons for the “Ange Effect “ be fully integrated at the club.
Once he has a few more additions to the squad of QUALITY players then I believe we will be a force to reckon with.
We have seen some quality moments so far this season which increases fans expectations. However I am a realist and if we get at least Europa League I will be happy. However if we get CL then it will have exceeded my expectations of Ange’s first season at Spurs.👍
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