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posted on 6/3/24

Just seen actually fellaini would've been gone by that time by the point still stands

posted on 6/3/24

comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 46 minutes ago
Haaland would have flopped at United.
He isn't RVP who creates goals from nothing. The guy is quite literally useless without service. Give the guy service and he scores for fun.
Bellingham would have also been surrounded by garbage and would most probably have flopped. Fellaini, etc.

Service is something we have been diabolical at for best part of a decade.
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I'm pretty sure Bruno creates more chances than anyone in the Prem. Plus, had we signed Haaland, we would have obviously signed providers rather than inverted wingers.

As for Bellingham flopping because of his teammates at United. Mainoo hasn't flopped, so to say Belli gham would is wrong IMO.

Players are signed to improve the squad, not to match the squads level.

posted on 6/3/24

It's good to hear that Ole took some time out after united, and now feels he might be ready, should the right offer come about.

Bayern, Barca or Leverkusen maybe?

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 6/3/24

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
United would have wasted Bellinghams talent. He made the right choice.
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He clearly made the right decision, but he'd have been a success wherever he went, and I'm sure he'd have inspired a few around him at Utd.
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No he would not. He would’ve failed here and the regular idiots would be saying he loves the bling and fashion blah blah nonsense.

He attends fashion shows regularly and doing the business. The British media had he been here would kill him.
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He isn't a mentality midget, you won't ever see him on the pitch not giving his all, not trying to bring up those around him. He is a true winner, yes, they still exist.

posted on 6/3/24

Lucky escape for Haaland and Bellingham then. But here's a question. Of all the post Fergie managers who do you think the best was? Personally I don't think anyone could have succeeded at United with the Glasers, but Ole seems a bit more insightful than most.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 6/3/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 37 minutes ago
Don't think a club is going to spend €20m on a player that they haven't scouted just because an ex player has recommended him.
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Ole said in the interview that his name was on the list didn't he? The club just didn't do anything with this information.

Says everything how we pass up that chance but happily throw 80m on Maguire and 85 on Antony. And even if you take it down the list we threw 25/30m on Amad too who had done nothing in the game and still hasn't done a lot.

Baffling
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My memory is terrible, but it would be worth looking at how the squad looked In terms of strengths and shortfalls at the times Ole says we could have signed him, to see how big an oversight this really was.
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I mentioned Haaland as a potential signing when he was still at Molde. If I recall correctly, my thinking was that Martial would play no.9 with Haaland as backup offering something a bit different with his physical presence. We had seen Lukaku for 2 seasons at that point and he clearly wasn't the answer.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 6/3/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 14 minutes ago
Think Ole said he was on the list when he was manager and they tried to buy him the same time Dortmund eventually got him. Not when he had joined Salzburg and and Ole called the club to buy him for €20m when Salzburg had only just paid €8m for him a couple months before.

In the summer of 2018 our strikers were Lukaku, Rashford, Martial and Sanchez. It was also the summer where Jose complained about not having enough money to spend and was refused slabhead. We onlt bought Fred, Dalot and Grant that summer, not sure we had €20m spare on a very untested 18 year old.
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You beat me to it.

So, when you look at it, £20m on a very young lad from Molde when resources were limited and the squad was stacked with exciting forwards (at the time) it doesn't look THAT big an oversight.
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Pretty sure I have heard Ole say before that he told United to sign Haaland whilst he was still at Molde (in 2018) and that he was asking us for £4m. That is when we should have got him. SAF would likely have taken the punt.

posted on 6/3/24

comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 5 seconds ago
Lucky escape for Haaland and Bellingham then. But here's a question. Of all the post Fergie managers who do you think the best was? Personally I don't think anyone could have succeeded at United with the Glasers, but Ole seems a bit more insightful than most.
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Depends what you mean by best and success.

LVG,Jose, and Ten Hag have each won trophies, and Ole reached a final.

posted on 6/3/24

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 37 minutes ago
Don't think a club is going to spend €20m on a player that they haven't scouted just because an ex player has recommended him.
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Ole said in the interview that his name was on the list didn't he? The club just didn't do anything with this information.

Says everything how we pass up that chance but happily throw 80m on Maguire and 85 on Antony. And even if you take it down the list we threw 25/30m on Amad too who had done nothing in the game and still hasn't done a lot.

Baffling
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My memory is terrible, but it would be worth looking at how the squad looked In terms of strengths and shortfalls at the times Ole says we could have signed him, to see how big an oversight this really was.
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I mentioned Haaland as a potential signing when he was still at Molde. If I recall correctly, my thinking was that Martial would play no.9 with Haaland as backup offering something a bit different with his physical presence. We had seen Lukaku for 2 seasons at that point and he clearly wasn't the answer.
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Maybe we didnt have the budget, having signed Lulaku, Sanchez, Martial, plus Rashford.

posted on 6/3/24

Ole didn't mention that in the interview. Wasn't he the manager of Molde at the time, wouldnt that be a bit conflicting telling United to buy his own player? Makes more sense him telling the club not long after he was sold to Salzburg.

posted on 6/3/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 46 minutes ago
Haaland would have flopped at United.
He isn't RVP who creates goals from nothing. The guy is quite literally useless without service. Give the guy service and he scores for fun.
Bellingham would have also been surrounded by garbage and would most probably have flopped. Fellaini, etc.

Service is something we have been diabolical at for best part of a decade.
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I'm pretty sure Bruno creates more chances than anyone in the Prem. Plus, had we signed Haaland, we would have obviously signed providers rather than inverted wingers.

As for Bellingham flopping because of his teammates at United. Mainoo hasn't flopped, so to say Belli gham would is wrong IMO.

Players are signed to improve the squad, not to match the squads level.
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Spot on RDD

posted on 6/3/24

As I understood it, Ole had reached out to United before he was manager and said "you need to get this guy, I had him at Molde and he hasn't played a game for Salzburg yet so get in early", and his release clause was around €20m.

Then Ole became manager and again suggested Haaland, who at this point was attracting interest from other big clubs and the fee had roughly tripled to €60m.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 6/3/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 37 minutes ago
Don't think a club is going to spend €20m on a player that they haven't scouted just because an ex player has recommended him.
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Ole said in the interview that his name was on the list didn't he? The club just didn't do anything with this information.

Says everything how we pass up that chance but happily throw 80m on Maguire and 85 on Antony. And even if you take it down the list we threw 25/30m on Amad too who had done nothing in the game and still hasn't done a lot.

Baffling
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My memory is terrible, but it would be worth looking at how the squad looked In terms of strengths and shortfalls at the times Ole says we could have signed him, to see how big an oversight this really was.
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I mentioned Haaland as a potential signing when he was still at Molde. If I recall correctly, my thinking was that Martial would play no.9 with Haaland as backup offering something a bit different with his physical presence. We had seen Lukaku for 2 seasons at that point and he clearly wasn't the answer.
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Maybe we didnt have the budget, having signed Lulaku, Sanchez, Martial, plus Rashford.
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It was £4m when he recommended him the first time. Didn't we spend that on Manucho?

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 6/3/24

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 minutes ago
Ole didn't mention that in the interview. Wasn't he the manager of Molde at the time, wouldnt that be a bit conflicting telling United to buy his own player? Makes more sense him telling the club not long after he was sold to Salzburg.
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He told us to sign him whilst Haaland was still at Molde and he/the club wanted £4m for him. He also told us to sign him when he left Salzburg. The club ignored him twice.

Ole is a red and obviously felt that the move would be good for us and Haaland.

posted on 6/3/24

I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.

As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed

VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah

Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.

What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 6/3/24

Maybe, in hindsight, it would have helped if United had not dismissed Solskjaer’s advice while he was the manager of Molde in Norway and trying to persuade his former club that the teenage Haaland could become one of the world’s greatest strikers.

Jose Mourinho was the manager at Old Trafford at the time. Ed Woodward was the chief executive and, for reasons unexplained, United chose against signing the player who has now smashed all sorts of scoring records for City this season and could conceivably win the Ballon d’Or.

“I got in contact with United because we had this talented striker who they should have had,” said Solskjaer. “But they didn’t listen, unfortunately. Four million, I asked for. But they never signed him. Four million! Don’t ask (where he is now). He’s too good…”

https://theathletic.com/4515644/2023/05/13/solskjaer-haaland-united-4m-glazers/

posted on 6/3/24

It's odd he tells it differently in the Overlap interview.

He says he told United to sign him when he had only recently joined Salzburg and hadn't yet played for them but was available for €20m and then tried to sign him when he was manager of United but Haaland chose Dortmund.

posted on 6/3/24

We’d have broken Haaland anyway.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 6/3/24

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 20 minutes ago
It's odd he tells it differently in the Overlap interview.

He says he told United to sign him when he had only recently joined Salzburg and hadn't yet played for them but was available for €20m and then tried to sign him when he was manager of United but Haaland chose Dortmund.
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He likely did both. Maybe thought that Jose was against it the first time, so tried again after he left?

posted on 6/3/24

Eh? Jose hadn't left when he told United to buy him for €20m, this was the summer of 2018.

I'm saying it's odd he didn't mention on the Overlap telling United to buy him for €4m when he was still at Molde with Ole when he was specifically asked about trying to bring Haaland to United.

posted on 6/3/24

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
United would have wasted Bellinghams talent. He made the right choice.
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He clearly made the right decision, but he'd have been a success wherever he went, and I'm sure he'd have inspired a few around him at Utd.
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No he would not. He would’ve failed here and the regular idiots would be saying he loves the bling and fashion blah blah nonsense.

He attends fashion shows regularly and doing the business. The British media had he been here would kill him.
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He isn't a mentality midget, you won't ever see him on the pitch not giving his all, not trying to bring up those around him. He is a true winner, yes, they still exist.
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Herrera was not a mentality midget. Zlatan was not. Heck Rojo was not. I would not call any of them success stories. Not failures but no success either.

If Bellingham came to this club, he will be getting flogged at the Etihad.

He made a sensational call not coming to this shiiit show.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 6/3/24

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 16 minutes ago

Eh? Jose hadn't left when he told United to buy him for €20m, this was the summer of 2018.
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Jose left United in December 2018. Haaland was at Molde until January 2019, when he moved to Salzburg. Although I think his signing/move was announced in August 2018.

Not sure exactly when Ole recommended we sign him from Salzburg? Perhaps after Jose had left and before he played a game for Salzburg?

posted on 6/3/24

He signed for Salzburg in August 2018 and Ole spoke about how he called United to sign him for €20m (I assume this must have been his release fee at the time) and that he had been at the new club for a couple months but hadn't actually played for them yet.

Looking at his appearances his last game for Molde was Nov '18 and his first game for Salzburg was Feb '19. I guess it would make sense that he called United in the Jan '19 window to buy him for €20m.

Still odd he didn't mention telling United to buy him when they were both at Molde when asked on the Overlap.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 6/3/24

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
He signed for Salzburg in August 2018 and Ole spoke about how he called United to sign him for €20m (I assume this must have been his release fee at the time) and that he had been at the new club for a couple months but hadn't actually played for them yet.

Looking at his appearances his last game for Molde was Nov '18 and his first game for Salzburg was Feb '19. I guess it would make sense that he called United in the Jan '19 window to buy him for €20m.

Still odd he didn't mention telling United to buy him when they were both at Molde when asked on the Overlap.
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Yeh. I haven't seen the overlap interview yet. Maybe how the question was phrased related to that specific time rather than when he was at Molde?

posted on 6/3/24

Can’t remember exactly, pretty sure it started with them saying to him how he played under him at Molde.

Either way, we didn’t get him and he made great choices for himself. I’m still not convinced he would have picked us anyway because it seems like him and his Dad know what’s best for his career.

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