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I think you pay a premium for people you know can hit the ground running, but essentially it doesn't matter all that much.
Did Vicaorio, Romero, Mickey Vdv, Udogie, or Kulusevski have any Premiership experience when we hired them?
Or Son for that matter?
Oh, and if you think about other clubs who have hired foreign players, like ManU and Liverpool I think you'll find plenty of very successful hires who came with NO Prem experience, like Salah, KdB, .......
Dunno what made you ask this question?
think you'll find plenty of very successful hires who came with NO Prem experience, like Salah, KdB, .......
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Both had PL experience before joining Liverpool / Man City.
That theory is more for relegation fighting teams
I guess the converse of this is that all 4 of those players are probably fine as squad players. There’s defo a bit of oversimplification here but I think there is a case of you pay £40-50m at least for these sorts of PL players and even if they don’t become starters they’ll be fine as squad players.
Or take a ‘risk’ on a player in Europe 20-30m, more chance of them completely flopping and leaving club in 1-2 years
It does help, you never know how a player will adapt to the country etc. I feel that’s the biggest issue holding back quality players from abroad most of the time
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 45 minutes ago
That theory is more for relegation fighting teams
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The rebuild project at Arsenal has been accelerated thanks to the club's recent emphasis on players with prior experience in the league.
Trossard, Rice, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Havertz, Jorginho, Raya, Ramsdale.
Well worth the expense IMO, compared to the equally expensive risks we would have taken on foreign-based talent about 5 years ago.
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 45 minutes ago
That theory is more for relegation fighting teams
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The rebuild project at Arsenal has been accelerated thanks to the club's recent emphasis on players with prior experience in the league.
Trossard, Rice, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Havertz, Jorginho, Raya, Ramsdale.
Well worth the expense IMO, compared to the equally expensive risks we would have taken on foreign-based talent about 5 years ago.
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But your best players are Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Martinelli to go with Saka.
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 45 minutes ago
That theory is more for relegation fighting teams
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The rebuild project at Arsenal has been accelerated thanks to the club's recent emphasis on players with prior experience in the league.
Trossard, Rice, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Havertz, Jorginho, Raya, Ramsdale.
Well worth the expense IMO, compared to the equally expensive risks we would have taken on foreign-based talent about 5 years ago.
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But your best players are Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Martinelli to go with Saka.
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Which is why the club has been bringing in ready-made auxiliaries to help them out.
Don’t think any experience is overrated! Sure some kids have amazing natural talent, but there always stuff to learn.
A Prem player is generally a bit more of a steady investment I guess, some can be awful though, we signed some absolute duds from United and Chelsea in the past.
You need great scouts and probably a bit of luck to unearth top talents from abroad nowadays as any obvious talents will be on every clubs radar as soon as they start to perform.
What's interesting is several expensive players from other leagues have flopped spectacularly, I think worse than Prem to Prem singings so in that sense perhaps if you have a lot of cash to splash the Prem is maybe a better market to buy in at times.
But for the absolute steals the likes of Brighton seem to have a knack for and several of Spurs best players, shopping overseas still seems the go.
Don’t know why Bissouma is put in that category. Clearly a quality player and someone who didn’t cost much
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 50 minutes ago
Don’t know why Bissouma is put in that category. Clearly a quality player and someone who didn’t cost much
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Is he clearly quality tho? As far as I can tell he's had a run of 12ish games where he looked good, but that's over the course of 2 years
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 50 minutes ago
Don’t know why Bissouma is put in that category. Clearly a quality player and someone who didn’t cost much
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Is he clearly quality tho? As far as I can tell he's had a run of 12ish games where he looked good, but that's over the course of 2 years
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Yea he is
I guess it's harder to find a hidden gem when they're in plain sight. More often than not, if you sign a Prem player you know exactly what you're getting but they're unlikely to pull up any trees unless you pull off a signing like Robertson from Hull, who no one else took a punt on but Liverpool. We knew how good Maddison was before he joined us. Equally, I don't think we're seeing a level of performance from Richy or Johnson that we didn't already see at Everton or Forest. It's just a lot harder to find top talent in the Prem without paying inflated prices, which we just wouldn't. Can you imagine how much Vicario, VDV, Udogie and Sarr would have been in if we'd signed them from Prem teams? You'd be looking at 50m minimum for each of them. Instead we got them all for around 80m abroad. Signing Prem players isn't really worth it unless they fill the homegrown quota in terms of British players.
That said, there's definitely room for it if you have the money and the need. Look at Rice at Arsenal. We're just not in that wealth bracket to be able to do it.
Wages are also a factor. Players in this league will be on far more than those abroad so the total sum of their contract is likely to be very, very expensive. I'm not sure on balance that's worth the gain of being able to hit the ground running. It's only really worth it if you pick up a star player like Maddison for a relatively low sum or you look at players in their final year/six months, like Bissouma.
It’s hugely overrated and I bet if someone was bothered to do the work you’d see a similar amount of hits/flops from the PL as you would from abroad
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 20 hours, 47 minutes ago
think you'll find plenty of very successful hires who came with NO Prem experience, like Salah, KdB, .......
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Both had PL experience before joining Liverpool / Man City.
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KdeB exactly 3 small appearances for Chelsea, total 14 minutes...not exactly Prem experience, is it?
Yes, Mo Salah did have 13 appearances for Chelsea.
And how about.......
Did Vicaorio, Romero, Mickey Vdv, Udogie, or Kulusevski have any Premiership experience when we hired them?
Or Son for that matter?
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 day ago
Wages are also a factor. Players in this league will be on far more than those abroad so the total sum of their contract is likely to be very, very expensive. I'm not sure on balance that's worth the gain of being able to hit the ground running. It's only really worth it if you pick up a star player like Maddison for a relatively low sum or you look at players in their final year/six months, like Bissouma.
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To.compound this..when you have an owner like Levy you need to make every penny count. That's why for me Johnson was disappointing. I was expecting us to unearth more attacking gems from Asia, Latin America or even Central Europe. I have plenty time for Veliz as I think he will be a type of Llorente forward to use for certain games but we need more.
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posted on 23/3/24
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posted on 23/3/24
I think you pay a premium for people you know can hit the ground running, but essentially it doesn't matter all that much.
posted on 23/3/24
Did Vicaorio, Romero, Mickey Vdv, Udogie, or Kulusevski have any Premiership experience when we hired them?
Or Son for that matter?
Oh, and if you think about other clubs who have hired foreign players, like ManU and Liverpool I think you'll find plenty of very successful hires who came with NO Prem experience, like Salah, KdB, .......
Dunno what made you ask this question?
posted on 23/3/24
Vicario
posted on 23/3/24
think you'll find plenty of very successful hires who came with NO Prem experience, like Salah, KdB, .......
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Both had PL experience before joining Liverpool / Man City.
posted on 23/3/24
That theory is more for relegation fighting teams
posted on 23/3/24
I guess the converse of this is that all 4 of those players are probably fine as squad players. There’s defo a bit of oversimplification here but I think there is a case of you pay £40-50m at least for these sorts of PL players and even if they don’t become starters they’ll be fine as squad players.
Or take a ‘risk’ on a player in Europe 20-30m, more chance of them completely flopping and leaving club in 1-2 years
posted on 23/3/24
It does help, you never know how a player will adapt to the country etc. I feel that’s the biggest issue holding back quality players from abroad most of the time
posted on 23/3/24
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 45 minutes ago
That theory is more for relegation fighting teams
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The rebuild project at Arsenal has been accelerated thanks to the club's recent emphasis on players with prior experience in the league.
Trossard, Rice, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Havertz, Jorginho, Raya, Ramsdale.
Well worth the expense IMO, compared to the equally expensive risks we would have taken on foreign-based talent about 5 years ago.
posted on 23/3/24
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 45 minutes ago
That theory is more for relegation fighting teams
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The rebuild project at Arsenal has been accelerated thanks to the club's recent emphasis on players with prior experience in the league.
Trossard, Rice, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Havertz, Jorginho, Raya, Ramsdale.
Well worth the expense IMO, compared to the equally expensive risks we would have taken on foreign-based talent about 5 years ago.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But your best players are Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Martinelli to go with Saka.
posted on 23/3/24
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 45 minutes ago
That theory is more for relegation fighting teams
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The rebuild project at Arsenal has been accelerated thanks to the club's recent emphasis on players with prior experience in the league.
Trossard, Rice, White, Jesus, Zinchenko, Havertz, Jorginho, Raya, Ramsdale.
Well worth the expense IMO, compared to the equally expensive risks we would have taken on foreign-based talent about 5 years ago.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But your best players are Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Martinelli to go with Saka.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which is why the club has been bringing in ready-made auxiliaries to help them out.
posted on 23/3/24
Don’t think any experience is overrated! Sure some kids have amazing natural talent, but there always stuff to learn.
posted on 23/3/24
A Prem player is generally a bit more of a steady investment I guess, some can be awful though, we signed some absolute duds from United and Chelsea in the past.
You need great scouts and probably a bit of luck to unearth top talents from abroad nowadays as any obvious talents will be on every clubs radar as soon as they start to perform.
What's interesting is several expensive players from other leagues have flopped spectacularly, I think worse than Prem to Prem singings so in that sense perhaps if you have a lot of cash to splash the Prem is maybe a better market to buy in at times.
But for the absolute steals the likes of Brighton seem to have a knack for and several of Spurs best players, shopping overseas still seems the go.
posted on 23/3/24
Don’t know why Bissouma is put in that category. Clearly a quality player and someone who didn’t cost much
posted on 23/3/24
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 50 minutes ago
Don’t know why Bissouma is put in that category. Clearly a quality player and someone who didn’t cost much
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Is he clearly quality tho? As far as I can tell he's had a run of 12ish games where he looked good, but that's over the course of 2 years
posted on 23/3/24
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 50 minutes ago
Don’t know why Bissouma is put in that category. Clearly a quality player and someone who didn’t cost much
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Is he clearly quality tho? As far as I can tell he's had a run of 12ish games where he looked good, but that's over the course of 2 years
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Yea he is
posted on 23/3/24
I guess it's harder to find a hidden gem when they're in plain sight. More often than not, if you sign a Prem player you know exactly what you're getting but they're unlikely to pull up any trees unless you pull off a signing like Robertson from Hull, who no one else took a punt on but Liverpool. We knew how good Maddison was before he joined us. Equally, I don't think we're seeing a level of performance from Richy or Johnson that we didn't already see at Everton or Forest. It's just a lot harder to find top talent in the Prem without paying inflated prices, which we just wouldn't. Can you imagine how much Vicario, VDV, Udogie and Sarr would have been in if we'd signed them from Prem teams? You'd be looking at 50m minimum for each of them. Instead we got them all for around 80m abroad. Signing Prem players isn't really worth it unless they fill the homegrown quota in terms of British players.
That said, there's definitely room for it if you have the money and the need. Look at Rice at Arsenal. We're just not in that wealth bracket to be able to do it.
posted on 23/3/24
Wages are also a factor. Players in this league will be on far more than those abroad so the total sum of their contract is likely to be very, very expensive. I'm not sure on balance that's worth the gain of being able to hit the ground running. It's only really worth it if you pick up a star player like Maddison for a relatively low sum or you look at players in their final year/six months, like Bissouma.
posted on 23/3/24
It’s hugely overrated and I bet if someone was bothered to do the work you’d see a similar amount of hits/flops from the PL as you would from abroad
posted on 24/3/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 20 hours, 47 minutes ago
think you'll find plenty of very successful hires who came with NO Prem experience, like Salah, KdB, .......
------
Both had PL experience before joining Liverpool / Man City.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
KdeB exactly 3 small appearances for Chelsea, total 14 minutes...not exactly Prem experience, is it?
Yes, Mo Salah did have 13 appearances for Chelsea.
And how about.......
Did Vicaorio, Romero, Mickey Vdv, Udogie, or Kulusevski have any Premiership experience when we hired them?
Or Son for that matter?
posted on 24/3/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 day ago
Wages are also a factor. Players in this league will be on far more than those abroad so the total sum of their contract is likely to be very, very expensive. I'm not sure on balance that's worth the gain of being able to hit the ground running. It's only really worth it if you pick up a star player like Maddison for a relatively low sum or you look at players in their final year/six months, like Bissouma.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To.compound this..when you have an owner like Levy you need to make every penny count. That's why for me Johnson was disappointing. I was expecting us to unearth more attacking gems from Asia, Latin America or even Central Europe. I have plenty time for Veliz as I think he will be a type of Llorente forward to use for certain games but we need more.
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