To be fair, is it right to ban players for gambling?? Gambling is an addiction, a disease some would say, so banning them isn't necessarily helping them is it.
Rather than a ban it would be better if the PFA actually looked after the player and paid for them to have some kind of treatment or rehab.
I would even say banning them may make their desire to gamble far worse, because the footballer will have F all to do and could start gambling out of boredom.
"Do we still want Ashworth after this??"
I doubt he knew of Tonali's gambling issues, he looks a fantastic player too.
I'm sure if we signed Toney this summer nobody would bat an eyelid.
I agree with the above poster. You can't just stop someone from being a gambling addict and banning them makes it worse. A better solution would be to assist him in his gambling to try and ease him off. In the changing room before the game how about someone has a sit down with him to discuss the bets he could put on. He is looking to put on over 3.5 goals to win £10,000, but the assister could suggest just doing over 2.5 goals to win £5,000. Then we ease them down that way. We cannot just ban people from gambling on matches, it could end up killing them.
Also there is a good documentary on youtube about alcoholism as a disease, similar to gambling and I think there is a lot of crossover. Clip from it below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0TfqpCYei4
If there's a memo from Ashworth instructing his team not to do due diligence on Tonali, then we can have a conversation.
Many gambler shide ornfrom friends and family, so unless there was a way of Ashworth knowing, but failing to investigate, then yes, we'd still want him.
The difference between Drugs, alcohol and gambling addictions within football, is that footballers potentially have ways of influencing outcomes, hence the need for punishment.
Many gamblers hide it from ....
Maybe the PL (and football league) should ban betting sponsors if they have such a problem with it.
Thing is, this is only an issue because he’s betting on games that have a direct link to him being a professional footballer. If he wasn’t then he’d have every right to make these bets and I’m guessing isn’t financially screwed because of it. As long as he isn’t harming anyone and it’s all legal then he doesn’t really need help.
For me the question is, is he gambling on just football or other stuff?
I agree that if you have a genuine gambling problem, then you should be given help and supported, just like those with addictions to other vices.
But whilst it doesn't solve the problem, Tonali is specifically betting on football, which he shouldn't be doing. This sounds harsh, but I guess as a footballer if you're going to gamble, don't gamble on footie!!!
But seriously, get him the help he needs. There still needs to be some sort of punishment, but do it alongside some sort of rehabilitation.
Would be harsh to ban him for another 10months.
He put these on before his first case came to fruition. The sensible decision would be add on 2/3 months.
Ridiculous that he is getting banned and punished instead of help. You wouldn't get that with other professions or with alcohol for example because it is more widely recognised as a disease. You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel, you'd recognise that they are unwell, and know that stopping them from doing their job is far too dangerous for them as could lead to more drinking if not doing their day job. So why a ban for Tonali for gambling and not help instead? Messed up world we live in.
I don’t gamble but is 50 a lot? I know some people who do a bunch of bets on the betting apps and they seem to do a bunch of different ones, surely 50 can quickly add up in a few weeks?
For me there’s the issue that he isn’t allowed to bet on football as a footballer which I get but that doesn’t really mean he has a gambling problem does it? If he wasn’t a footballer would the amount of betting he does be a genuine worry?
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
I guess we don't know the full of extent of his gambling - he either has a problem, or is stupid, or both...............
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posted 5 minutes ago
I don’t gamble but is 50 a lot? I know some people who do a bunch of bets on the betting apps and they seem to do a bunch of different ones, surely 50 can quickly add up in a few weeks?
For me there’s the issue that he isn’t allowed to bet on football as a footballer which I get but that doesn’t really mean he has a gambling problem does it? If he wasn’t a footballer would the amount of betting he does be a genuine worry?
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It's loads in that time span.
No excuses in my opinion.
If he has a gambling habit that needs treating fair enough, its a serious issue. But he is allowed to bet on all manner of sports. So to chose football goes beyond the excuse/reason of it being an addiction and is stepping into the realms of significant levels of stupidity, for which he must take responsibility.
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posted 4 minutes ago
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
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Not with alcohol. It is more widely accepted as a disease. So they will get help. And rightly so. We cannot just be banning some of our most important key workers, who obviously have extremely difficult jobs, just because they use alcohol to deal with the stress. We need to remember that people are human and start treating them like them. And that means, getting them on the job help.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
I don’t gamble but is 50 a lot? I know some people who do a bunch of bets on the betting apps and they seem to do a bunch of different ones, surely 50 can quickly add up in a few weeks?
For me there’s the issue that he isn’t allowed to bet on football as a footballer which I get but that doesn’t really mean he has a gambling problem does it? If he wasn’t a footballer would the amount of betting he does be a genuine worry?
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It's loads in that time span.
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50 bets in about 8/9 weeks, that's 6 a week, which wouldn't be deemed excessive. There are folk who maybe put on 10-20 bets a day, now that is crazy...........
But it also depend on your means and lifestyle etc - we don't have the full picture...............
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comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
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Not with alcohol. It is more widely accepted as a disease. So they will get help. And rightly so. We cannot just be banning some of our most important key workers, who obviously have extremely difficult jobs, just because they use alcohol to deal with the stress. We need to remember that people are human and start treating them like them. And that means, getting them on the job help.
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Believe me, if you get done for drink charging, you will be arrested and charged. You may get help also, but you will defo get arrested and charged - don't forget there can be serious consequences to drink-driving
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posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
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Not with alcohol. It is more widely accepted as a disease. So they will get help. And rightly so. We cannot just be banning some of our most important key workers, who obviously have extremely difficult jobs, just because they use alcohol to deal with the stress. We need to remember that people are human and start treating them like them. And that means, getting them on the job help.
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Believe me, if you get done for drink charging, you will be arrested and charged. You may get help also, but you will defo get arrested and charged - don't forget there can be serious consequences to drink-driving
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You cannot punish someone for having a disease. Are you suggesting that they sit at home and drink instead? That could be even more harmful. We are massively short on these key workers and banning them for having a disease is not the solution. The fact that you are suggesting we should shows how deluded you are. The economy would collapse. Who would deliver our products? Who would make sure thousands of people get about every day?
This will be one of those where I can put my feet up and watch the carnage.
comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
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Not with alcohol. It is more widely accepted as a disease. So they will get help. And rightly so. We cannot just be banning some of our most important key workers, who obviously have extremely difficult jobs, just because they use alcohol to deal with the stress. We need to remember that people are human and start treating them like them. And that means, getting them on the job help.
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Believe me, if you get done for drink charging, you will be arrested and charged. You may get help also, but you will defo get arrested and charged - don't forget there can be serious consequences to drink-driving
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You cannot punish someone for having a disease. Are you suggesting that they sit at home and drink instead? That could be even more harmful. We are massively short on these key workers and banning them for having a disease is not the solution. The fact that you are suggesting we should shows how deluded you are. The economy would collapse. Who would deliver our products? Who would make sure thousands of people get about every day?
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Nope, I simply said they would defo be arrested and charged. What help they get will depend on them, luck and the system.
So you are either on the wind-up, incredibly stupid or both. From previous posts, I reckon the former
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comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
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Not with alcohol. It is more widely accepted as a disease. So they will get help. And rightly so. We cannot just be banning some of our most important key workers, who obviously have extremely difficult jobs, just because they use alcohol to deal with the stress. We need to remember that people are human and start treating them like them. And that means, getting them on the job help.
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Believe me, if you get done for drink charging, you will be arrested and charged. You may get help also, but you will defo get arrested and charged - don't forget there can be serious consequences to drink-driving
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You cannot punish someone for having a disease. Are you suggesting that they sit at home and drink instead? That could be even more harmful. We are massively short on these key workers and banning them for having a disease is not the solution. The fact that you are suggesting we should shows how deluded you are. The economy would collapse. Who would deliver our products? Who would make sure thousands of people get about every day?
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Nope, I simply said they would defo be arrested and charged. What help they get will depend on them, luck and the system.
So you are either on the wind-up, incredibly stupid or both. From previous posts, I reckon the former
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Have you actually dealt with people who have that disease before? The most dangerous thing for them to be doing is to be sitting at home drinking instead of out working. They could sit and basically kill themselves at home or drive their lorries, which basically drive themselves these days, whilst drinking a bit less. The concentration needed to drive will automatically help them drink less so it will be of a massive benefit to them and we will be keeping our key workers in jobs. Can't just go around banning stuff just cos you disagree with it.
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posted on 28/3/24
To be fair, is it right to ban players for gambling?? Gambling is an addiction, a disease some would say, so banning them isn't necessarily helping them is it.
Rather than a ban it would be better if the PFA actually looked after the player and paid for them to have some kind of treatment or rehab.
I would even say banning them may make their desire to gamble far worse, because the footballer will have F all to do and could start gambling out of boredom.
posted on 28/3/24
"Do we still want Ashworth after this??"
I doubt he knew of Tonali's gambling issues, he looks a fantastic player too.
I'm sure if we signed Toney this summer nobody would bat an eyelid.
posted on 28/3/24
I agree with the above poster. You can't just stop someone from being a gambling addict and banning them makes it worse. A better solution would be to assist him in his gambling to try and ease him off. In the changing room before the game how about someone has a sit down with him to discuss the bets he could put on. He is looking to put on over 3.5 goals to win £10,000, but the assister could suggest just doing over 2.5 goals to win £5,000. Then we ease them down that way. We cannot just ban people from gambling on matches, it could end up killing them.
posted on 28/3/24
Also there is a good documentary on youtube about alcoholism as a disease, similar to gambling and I think there is a lot of crossover. Clip from it below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0TfqpCYei4
posted on 28/3/24
If there's a memo from Ashworth instructing his team not to do due diligence on Tonali, then we can have a conversation.
posted on 28/3/24
Many gambler shide ornfrom friends and family, so unless there was a way of Ashworth knowing, but failing to investigate, then yes, we'd still want him.
The difference between Drugs, alcohol and gambling addictions within football, is that footballers potentially have ways of influencing outcomes, hence the need for punishment.
posted on 28/3/24
Many gamblers hide it from ....
posted on 28/3/24
Maybe the PL (and football league) should ban betting sponsors if they have such a problem with it.
Thing is, this is only an issue because he’s betting on games that have a direct link to him being a professional footballer. If he wasn’t then he’d have every right to make these bets and I’m guessing isn’t financially screwed because of it. As long as he isn’t harming anyone and it’s all legal then he doesn’t really need help.
posted on 28/3/24
For me the question is, is he gambling on just football or other stuff?
I agree that if you have a genuine gambling problem, then you should be given help and supported, just like those with addictions to other vices.
But whilst it doesn't solve the problem, Tonali is specifically betting on football, which he shouldn't be doing. This sounds harsh, but I guess as a footballer if you're going to gamble, don't gamble on footie!!!
But seriously, get him the help he needs. There still needs to be some sort of punishment, but do it alongside some sort of rehabilitation.
posted on 28/3/24
Would be harsh to ban him for another 10months.
He put these on before his first case came to fruition. The sensible decision would be add on 2/3 months.
posted on 28/3/24
Ridiculous that he is getting banned and punished instead of help. You wouldn't get that with other professions or with alcohol for example because it is more widely recognised as a disease. You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel, you'd recognise that they are unwell, and know that stopping them from doing their job is far too dangerous for them as could lead to more drinking if not doing their day job. So why a ban for Tonali for gambling and not help instead? Messed up world we live in.
posted on 28/3/24
I don’t gamble but is 50 a lot? I know some people who do a bunch of bets on the betting apps and they seem to do a bunch of different ones, surely 50 can quickly add up in a few weeks?
For me there’s the issue that he isn’t allowed to bet on football as a footballer which I get but that doesn’t really mean he has a gambling problem does it? If he wasn’t a footballer would the amount of betting he does be a genuine worry?
posted on 28/3/24
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
posted on 28/3/24
I guess we don't know the full of extent of his gambling - he either has a problem, or is stupid, or both...............
posted on 28/3/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
I don’t gamble but is 50 a lot? I know some people who do a bunch of bets on the betting apps and they seem to do a bunch of different ones, surely 50 can quickly add up in a few weeks?
For me there’s the issue that he isn’t allowed to bet on football as a footballer which I get but that doesn’t really mean he has a gambling problem does it? If he wasn’t a footballer would the amount of betting he does be a genuine worry?
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It's loads in that time span.
posted on 28/3/24
No excuses in my opinion.
If he has a gambling habit that needs treating fair enough, its a serious issue. But he is allowed to bet on all manner of sports. So to chose football goes beyond the excuse/reason of it being an addiction and is stepping into the realms of significant levels of stupidity, for which he must take responsibility.
posted on 28/3/24
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
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Not with alcohol. It is more widely accepted as a disease. So they will get help. And rightly so. We cannot just be banning some of our most important key workers, who obviously have extremely difficult jobs, just because they use alcohol to deal with the stress. We need to remember that people are human and start treating them like them. And that means, getting them on the job help.
posted on 28/3/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
I don’t gamble but is 50 a lot? I know some people who do a bunch of bets on the betting apps and they seem to do a bunch of different ones, surely 50 can quickly add up in a few weeks?
For me there’s the issue that he isn’t allowed to bet on football as a footballer which I get but that doesn’t really mean he has a gambling problem does it? If he wasn’t a footballer would the amount of betting he does be a genuine worry?
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It's loads in that time span.
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50 bets in about 8/9 weeks, that's 6 a week, which wouldn't be deemed excessive. There are folk who maybe put on 10-20 bets a day, now that is crazy...........
But it also depend on your means and lifestyle etc - we don't have the full picture...............
posted on 28/3/24
comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not with alcohol. It is more widely accepted as a disease. So they will get help. And rightly so. We cannot just be banning some of our most important key workers, who obviously have extremely difficult jobs, just because they use alcohol to deal with the stress. We need to remember that people are human and start treating them like them. And that means, getting them on the job help.
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Believe me, if you get done for drink charging, you will be arrested and charged. You may get help also, but you will defo get arrested and charged - don't forget there can be serious consequences to drink-driving
posted on 28/3/24
*drink driving
posted on 28/3/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
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Not with alcohol. It is more widely accepted as a disease. So they will get help. And rightly so. We cannot just be banning some of our most important key workers, who obviously have extremely difficult jobs, just because they use alcohol to deal with the stress. We need to remember that people are human and start treating them like them. And that means, getting them on the job help.
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Believe me, if you get done for drink charging, you will be arrested and charged. You may get help also, but you will defo get arrested and charged - don't forget there can be serious consequences to drink-driving
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You cannot punish someone for having a disease. Are you suggesting that they sit at home and drink instead? That could be even more harmful. We are massively short on these key workers and banning them for having a disease is not the solution. The fact that you are suggesting we should shows how deluded you are. The economy would collapse. Who would deliver our products? Who would make sure thousands of people get about every day?
posted on 28/3/24
posted on 28/3/24
This will be one of those where I can put my feet up and watch the carnage.
posted on 28/3/24
comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not with alcohol. It is more widely accepted as a disease. So they will get help. And rightly so. We cannot just be banning some of our most important key workers, who obviously have extremely difficult jobs, just because they use alcohol to deal with the stress. We need to remember that people are human and start treating them like them. And that means, getting them on the job help.
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Believe me, if you get done for drink charging, you will be arrested and charged. You may get help also, but you will defo get arrested and charged - don't forget there can be serious consequences to drink-driving
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You cannot punish someone for having a disease. Are you suggesting that they sit at home and drink instead? That could be even more harmful. We are massively short on these key workers and banning them for having a disease is not the solution. The fact that you are suggesting we should shows how deluded you are. The economy would collapse. Who would deliver our products? Who would make sure thousands of people get about every day?
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Nope, I simply said they would defo be arrested and charged. What help they get will depend on them, luck and the system.
So you are either on the wind-up, incredibly stupid or both. From previous posts, I reckon the former
posted on 28/3/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Ross Foley (U1734)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
You wouldn't ban a train driver, pilot or lorry driver for being drunk at the wheel,
you are joking? theyll be arrested and charged
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not with alcohol. It is more widely accepted as a disease. So they will get help. And rightly so. We cannot just be banning some of our most important key workers, who obviously have extremely difficult jobs, just because they use alcohol to deal with the stress. We need to remember that people are human and start treating them like them. And that means, getting them on the job help.
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Believe me, if you get done for drink charging, you will be arrested and charged. You may get help also, but you will defo get arrested and charged - don't forget there can be serious consequences to drink-driving
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You cannot punish someone for having a disease. Are you suggesting that they sit at home and drink instead? That could be even more harmful. We are massively short on these key workers and banning them for having a disease is not the solution. The fact that you are suggesting we should shows how deluded you are. The economy would collapse. Who would deliver our products? Who would make sure thousands of people get about every day?
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Nope, I simply said they would defo be arrested and charged. What help they get will depend on them, luck and the system.
So you are either on the wind-up, incredibly stupid or both. From previous posts, I reckon the former
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Have you actually dealt with people who have that disease before? The most dangerous thing for them to be doing is to be sitting at home drinking instead of out working. They could sit and basically kill themselves at home or drive their lorries, which basically drive themselves these days, whilst drinking a bit less. The concentration needed to drive will automatically help them drink less so it will be of a massive benefit to them and we will be keeping our key workers in jobs. Can't just go around banning stuff just cos you disagree with it.
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