comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
The Europa you would have a chance of winning/going far in. I hope we win it this season.
Regarding the CL not being bad but I’d see ye struggling to get out of the group stage especially if drawn in one of the harder groups.
I know CL is the be all and end all but what’s the point if purely making up the numbers? As said not wumming just making an observation.
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Completely agree with this. You're right, we've not got a hope in hell of winning it but we're rebuilding right now. In terms of revenue and being able to attract certain players it's vital. I'd rather be in it, go hard in the summer in terms of recruitment and then finish third in the group and drop to the Europa League, which we can win, than fail to qualify for the CL completely. The bottom line is that the players want it. They'll see it as a vindication of Ange's methods so they'll follow him all the more.
I know we can't win it but qualifying for it is absolutely paramount for a whole host of reasons.
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That not how it works now - CL teams can no longer drop into the Europa.
The league stage of the CL is 2 groups of 18 sides with the top 4 from each qualifying and then places 5th to 12th in each going into a playoff to join the top 4 sides in the round of 16
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That's good that CL teams can't drop into the Europa.
Clubs shouldn't be allowed to fail in one competition only to rock up in another.
so i think you play 8 group games. 4 home and 4 away against 8 different opponents.
Then places 5- 12 play off. Not sure if its 2 legs or 1, but its basically 8-10 games to get to the last 16. Previously it was 6.
Still seeded.
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
The Europa you would have a chance of winning/going far in. I hope we win it this season.
Regarding the CL not being bad but I’d see ye struggling to get out of the group stage especially if drawn in one of the harder groups.
I know CL is the be all and end all but what’s the point if purely making up the numbers? As said not wumming just making an observation.
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Completely agree with this. You're right, we've not got a hope in hell of winning it but we're rebuilding right now. In terms of revenue and being able to attract certain players it's vital. I'd rather be in it, go hard in the summer in terms of recruitment and then finish third in the group and drop to the Europa League, which we can win, than fail to qualify for the CL completely. The bottom line is that the players want it. They'll see it as a vindication of Ange's methods so they'll follow him all the more.
I know we can't win it but qualifying for it is absolutely paramount for a whole host of reasons.
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That not how it works now - CL teams can no longer drop into the Europa.
The league stage of the CL is 2 groups of 18 sides with the top 4 from each qualifying and then places 5th to 12th in each going into a playoff to join the top 4 sides in the round of 16
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Ahh, shiiiit. Forgot about the rule change.
That stinks really as it means that the cream will rise to the top. Saying that, it makes the now defunct group stage a bit more exciting.
How does it work though because you're not suddenly going to play 9 sides home and away are you?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 seconds ago
so i think you play 8 group games. 4 home and 4 away against 8 different opponents.
Then places 5- 12 play off. Not sure if its 2 legs or 1, but its basically 8-10 games to get to the last 16. Previously it was 6.
Still seeded.
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Right, so your home fixtures could be against the big teams and away against the worst. That's really unfair. It's all about the luck of the draw. What a shiiiity system.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 seconds ago
so i think you play 8 group games. 4 home and 4 away against 8 different opponents.
Then places 5- 12 play off. Not sure if its 2 legs or 1, but its basically 8-10 games to get to the last 16. Previously it was 6.
Still seeded.
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Right, so your home fixtures could be against the big teams and away against the worst. That's really unfair. It's all about the luck of the draw. What a shiiiity system.
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You will play a pot one team at home and one away, then so on with each pot which in theory will keep it fair - although the variance in pot 1 can be quite staggering. It could be Leverkusen away and Real Madrid at home.
It’s loads of extra games though - 10 games potentially just to reach the last 16 - I’m all for it, I want to watch us as much as possible
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
The Europa you would have a chance of winning/going far in. I hope we win it this season.
Regarding the CL not being bad but I’d see ye struggling to get out of the group stage especially if drawn in one of the harder groups.
I know CL is the be all and end all but what’s the point if purely making up the numbers? As said not wumming just making an observation.
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Completely agree with this. You're right, we've not got a hope in hell of winning it but we're rebuilding right now. In terms of revenue and being able to attract certain players it's vital. I'd rather be in it, go hard in the summer in terms of recruitment and then finish third in the group and drop to the Europa League, which we can win, than fail to qualify for the CL completely. The bottom line is that the players want it. They'll see it as a vindication of Ange's methods so they'll follow him all the more.
I know we can't win it but qualifying for it is absolutely paramount for a whole host of reasons.
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That not how it works now - CL teams can no longer drop into the Europa.
The league stage of the CL is 2 groups of 18 sides with the top 4 from each qualifying and then places 5th to 12th in each going into a playoff to join the top 4 sides in the round of 16
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That's good that CL teams can't drop into the Europa.
Clubs shouldn't be allowed to fail in one competition only to rock up in another.
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I think it will drastically improve the Europa, I can see some of the mid table sides taking it far more seriously if they know that Seville or Inter aren’t going to schitt the bed and drop into it. Some decent sides in it this year also - Leverkusen, Liverpool, AC Milan, Roma, Benfica - some pedigree there
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
At the end of the group stage of the CL next season, only 8 of the 32 teams will be out. You can qualify for the play offs with 5 matches to spare.
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Good question. Strike is defo the man for all this stuff. He's properly on it.
I just can't see where gains can be made that are better than those we get from supporting Arsenal and West Ham. It's going to be so much tighter than people expect.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.
I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Hi, just the points for winning the game, there are no bonus points for winning the tournament
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Good question. Strike is defo the man for all this stuff. He's properly on it.
I just can't see where gains can be made that are better than those we get from supporting Arsenal and West Ham. It's going to be so much tighter than people expect.
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I know some have expressed that you shouldn’t support the other sides and some have outright attacked you for it - which I don’t agree with at all. I can see both sides though - we would never hear the end of it if Arsenal won the CL or West Ham won another euro comp so quickly. On the other hand I do just want what is best for Spurs.
It’s tight, but Villa, Liverpool and City all winning will probably be enough if Arsenal and West Ham don’t lose both legs and Barca beat Dortmund
Striketeam
In response to you saying that Leverkusen will rest players for the league, I really don't think they will. I think they're 13 points clear now. If anything they'll rest players in the league to win the EL.
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Good question. Strike is defo the man for all this stuff. He's properly on it.
I just can't see where gains can be made that are better than those we get from supporting Arsenal and West Ham. It's going to be so much tighter than people expect.
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I know some have expressed that you shouldn’t support the other sides and some have outright attacked you for it - which I don’t agree with at all. I can see both sides though - we would never hear the end of it if Arsenal won the CL or West Ham won another euro comp so quickly. On the other hand I do just want what is best for Spurs.
It’s tight, but Villa, Liverpool and City all winning will probably be enough if Arsenal and West Ham don’t lose both legs and Barca beat Dortmund
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Yep, I try to ignore them now. It's just not worth debating with people that aren't willing to. Throwing insults is not debate.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
Striketeam
In response to you saying that Leverkusen will rest players for the league, I really don't think they will. I think they're 13 points clear now. If anything they'll rest players in the league to win the EL.
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They might, but they also have the German cup semi today and the league games could be tricky - they have Dortmund away straight after West Ham. Let’s wait and see, even if they don’t rotate then West Ham could be going up against a very tired Leverkusen side that only just scraped past Qarabag
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
Striketeam
In response to you saying that Leverkusen will rest players for the league, I really don't think they will. I think they're 13 points clear now. If anything they'll rest players in the league to win the EL.
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They might, but they also have the German cup semi today and the league games could be tricky - they have Dortmund away straight after West Ham. Let’s wait and see, even if they don’t rotate then West Ham could be going up against a very tired Leverkusen side that only just scraped past Qarabag
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I just don't think West Ham will be prepared for that Spanish passing machine style. I think they'll run them ragged.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.
I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.
Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.
Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.
However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.
I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.
I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.
I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.
Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.
Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.
However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.
I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.
I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
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Have Arsenal gone up a level? I’m not convinced.
Does anyone genuinely believe they are going to finish higher than 3rd this year or knock Bayern out of the CL? - I don’t think they stand a chance of either.
This is typical Arsenal side, lots of style but when the pressure is on they won’t make it. They are still carrying too much deadwood - Havertz, Trossard, Jesus, either keeper. These players are not good enough at the business end.
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comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.
I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.
Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.
Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.
However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.
I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.
I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
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I mean compare him to Arteta's first season, not now. Their 100m outlay on Rice is a consequence of their success over the last three years. Levy is less likely to do that, sure, but Ange can only really be judged in the same way Arteta was in his first year and he got rid of a lot of dead wood and replaced them with younger players to start with, which is exactly what Ange is doing.
You can absolutely raise concerns, I've defended that for ages after you, me and sizz got dogs abuse on the match thread for showing concern for the way we were playing. Whilst it's right to raise concerns, it's also worth laying out the context for those issues, which is what I'm doing. Arteta's form in that first year was so bad he nearly got the sack so whilst we can all have a moan about Ange, we have to have a little faith it will come good.
We're going to have to hope that if we have sustained participation in the CL, we'll see more ambition shown financially than we did under Poch, who had to navigate no home ground and the funding of a stadium under his tenure. Things might be a little different this time around. We're in a much better position than we were, especially with others having their wings clipped for overspending.
Ange most definitely will not be gone this time next year. No chance. Levy will have learnt his lesson this time. We can't keep flip-flopping. Unless he somehow loses the dressing room for whatever reason, he'll be in it for the long haul. If we do lose Ange it'll be because he's had a better offer.
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comment by Mack (U6574)
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comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.
I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.
Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.
Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.
However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.
I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.
I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
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I mean compare him to Arteta's first season, not now. Their 100m outlay on Rice is a consequence of their success over the last three years. Levy is less likely to do that, sure, but Ange can only really be judged in the same way Arteta was in his first year and he got rid of a lot of dead wood and replaced them with younger players to start with, which is exactly what Ange is doing.
You can absolutely raise concerns, I've defended that for ages after you, me and sizz got dogs abuse on the match thread for showing concern for the way we were playing. Whilst it's right to raise concerns, it's also worth laying out the context for those issues, which is what I'm doing. Arteta's form in that first year was so bad he nearly got the sack so whilst we can all have a moan about Ange, we have to have a little faith it will come good.
We're going to have to hope that if we have sustained participation in the CL, we'll see more ambition shown financially than we did under Poch, who had to navigate no home ground and the funding of a stadium under his tenure. Things might be a little different this time around. We're in a much better position than we were, especially with others having their wings clipped for overspending.
Ange most definitely will not be gone this time next year. No chance. Levy will have learnt his lesson this time. We can't keep flip-flopping. Unless he somehow loses the dressing room for whatever reason, he'll be in it for the long haul. If we do lose Ange it'll be because he's had a better offer.
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I hope you’re right mate I really do. All the points you raised about levy learning his lessons were how I felt in the appointments of Jose and conte. He didn’t learn his lessons then and I hugely doubt he will this time.
Only time will tell. At least it’s not this time last year. That was about the lowest I’d felt as a spurs fan, and I lived through the 90’s.
This summer will tell you all you need to know about the clubs ambitions and whether or not Ange will be here this time next year.
On the pitch however, there is lots and lots of work to do.
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posted on 3/4/24
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
The Europa you would have a chance of winning/going far in. I hope we win it this season.
Regarding the CL not being bad but I’d see ye struggling to get out of the group stage especially if drawn in one of the harder groups.
I know CL is the be all and end all but what’s the point if purely making up the numbers? As said not wumming just making an observation.
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Completely agree with this. You're right, we've not got a hope in hell of winning it but we're rebuilding right now. In terms of revenue and being able to attract certain players it's vital. I'd rather be in it, go hard in the summer in terms of recruitment and then finish third in the group and drop to the Europa League, which we can win, than fail to qualify for the CL completely. The bottom line is that the players want it. They'll see it as a vindication of Ange's methods so they'll follow him all the more.
I know we can't win it but qualifying for it is absolutely paramount for a whole host of reasons.
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That not how it works now - CL teams can no longer drop into the Europa.
The league stage of the CL is 2 groups of 18 sides with the top 4 from each qualifying and then places 5th to 12th in each going into a playoff to join the top 4 sides in the round of 16
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That's good that CL teams can't drop into the Europa.
Clubs shouldn't be allowed to fail in one competition only to rock up in another.
posted on 3/4/24
so i think you play 8 group games. 4 home and 4 away against 8 different opponents.
Then places 5- 12 play off. Not sure if its 2 legs or 1, but its basically 8-10 games to get to the last 16. Previously it was 6.
Still seeded.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
The Europa you would have a chance of winning/going far in. I hope we win it this season.
Regarding the CL not being bad but I’d see ye struggling to get out of the group stage especially if drawn in one of the harder groups.
I know CL is the be all and end all but what’s the point if purely making up the numbers? As said not wumming just making an observation.
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Completely agree with this. You're right, we've not got a hope in hell of winning it but we're rebuilding right now. In terms of revenue and being able to attract certain players it's vital. I'd rather be in it, go hard in the summer in terms of recruitment and then finish third in the group and drop to the Europa League, which we can win, than fail to qualify for the CL completely. The bottom line is that the players want it. They'll see it as a vindication of Ange's methods so they'll follow him all the more.
I know we can't win it but qualifying for it is absolutely paramount for a whole host of reasons.
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That not how it works now - CL teams can no longer drop into the Europa.
The league stage of the CL is 2 groups of 18 sides with the top 4 from each qualifying and then places 5th to 12th in each going into a playoff to join the top 4 sides in the round of 16
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Ahh, shiiiit. Forgot about the rule change.
That stinks really as it means that the cream will rise to the top. Saying that, it makes the now defunct group stage a bit more exciting.
How does it work though because you're not suddenly going to play 9 sides home and away are you?
posted on 3/4/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 seconds ago
so i think you play 8 group games. 4 home and 4 away against 8 different opponents.
Then places 5- 12 play off. Not sure if its 2 legs or 1, but its basically 8-10 games to get to the last 16. Previously it was 6.
Still seeded.
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Right, so your home fixtures could be against the big teams and away against the worst. That's really unfair. It's all about the luck of the draw. What a shiiiity system.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 seconds ago
so i think you play 8 group games. 4 home and 4 away against 8 different opponents.
Then places 5- 12 play off. Not sure if its 2 legs or 1, but its basically 8-10 games to get to the last 16. Previously it was 6.
Still seeded.
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Right, so your home fixtures could be against the big teams and away against the worst. That's really unfair. It's all about the luck of the draw. What a shiiiity system.
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You will play a pot one team at home and one away, then so on with each pot which in theory will keep it fair - although the variance in pot 1 can be quite staggering. It could be Leverkusen away and Real Madrid at home.
It’s loads of extra games though - 10 games potentially just to reach the last 16 - I’m all for it, I want to watch us as much as possible
posted on 3/4/24
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
The Europa you would have a chance of winning/going far in. I hope we win it this season.
Regarding the CL not being bad but I’d see ye struggling to get out of the group stage especially if drawn in one of the harder groups.
I know CL is the be all and end all but what’s the point if purely making up the numbers? As said not wumming just making an observation.
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Completely agree with this. You're right, we've not got a hope in hell of winning it but we're rebuilding right now. In terms of revenue and being able to attract certain players it's vital. I'd rather be in it, go hard in the summer in terms of recruitment and then finish third in the group and drop to the Europa League, which we can win, than fail to qualify for the CL completely. The bottom line is that the players want it. They'll see it as a vindication of Ange's methods so they'll follow him all the more.
I know we can't win it but qualifying for it is absolutely paramount for a whole host of reasons.
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That not how it works now - CL teams can no longer drop into the Europa.
The league stage of the CL is 2 groups of 18 sides with the top 4 from each qualifying and then places 5th to 12th in each going into a playoff to join the top 4 sides in the round of 16
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That's good that CL teams can't drop into the Europa.
Clubs shouldn't be allowed to fail in one competition only to rock up in another.
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I think it will drastically improve the Europa, I can see some of the mid table sides taking it far more seriously if they know that Seville or Inter aren’t going to schitt the bed and drop into it. Some decent sides in it this year also - Leverkusen, Liverpool, AC Milan, Roma, Benfica - some pedigree there
posted on 3/4/24
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
posted on 3/4/24
At the end of the group stage of the CL next season, only 8 of the 32 teams will be out. You can qualify for the play offs with 5 matches to spare.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
posted on 3/4/24
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Good question. Strike is defo the man for all this stuff. He's properly on it.
I just can't see where gains can be made that are better than those we get from supporting Arsenal and West Ham. It's going to be so much tighter than people expect.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.
I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Hi, just the points for winning the game, there are no bonus points for winning the tournament
posted on 3/4/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Good question. Strike is defo the man for all this stuff. He's properly on it.
I just can't see where gains can be made that are better than those we get from supporting Arsenal and West Ham. It's going to be so much tighter than people expect.
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I know some have expressed that you shouldn’t support the other sides and some have outright attacked you for it - which I don’t agree with at all. I can see both sides though - we would never hear the end of it if Arsenal won the CL or West Ham won another euro comp so quickly. On the other hand I do just want what is best for Spurs.
It’s tight, but Villa, Liverpool and City all winning will probably be enough if Arsenal and West Ham don’t lose both legs and Barca beat Dortmund
posted on 3/4/24
Striketeam
In response to you saying that Leverkusen will rest players for the league, I really don't think they will. I think they're 13 points clear now. If anything they'll rest players in the league to win the EL.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).
I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.
Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.
Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.
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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Good question. Strike is defo the man for all this stuff. He's properly on it.
I just can't see where gains can be made that are better than those we get from supporting Arsenal and West Ham. It's going to be so much tighter than people expect.
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I know some have expressed that you shouldn’t support the other sides and some have outright attacked you for it - which I don’t agree with at all. I can see both sides though - we would never hear the end of it if Arsenal won the CL or West Ham won another euro comp so quickly. On the other hand I do just want what is best for Spurs.
It’s tight, but Villa, Liverpool and City all winning will probably be enough if Arsenal and West Ham don’t lose both legs and Barca beat Dortmund
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Yep, I try to ignore them now. It's just not worth debating with people that aren't willing to. Throwing insults is not debate.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
Striketeam
In response to you saying that Leverkusen will rest players for the league, I really don't think they will. I think they're 13 points clear now. If anything they'll rest players in the league to win the EL.
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They might, but they also have the German cup semi today and the league games could be tricky - they have Dortmund away straight after West Ham. Let’s wait and see, even if they don’t rotate then West Ham could be going up against a very tired Leverkusen side that only just scraped past Qarabag
posted on 3/4/24
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
Striketeam
In response to you saying that Leverkusen will rest players for the league, I really don't think they will. I think they're 13 points clear now. If anything they'll rest players in the league to win the EL.
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They might, but they also have the German cup semi today and the league games could be tricky - they have Dortmund away straight after West Ham. Let’s wait and see, even if they don’t rotate then West Ham could be going up against a very tired Leverkusen side that only just scraped past Qarabag
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I just don't think West Ham will be prepared for that Spanish passing machine style. I think they'll run them ragged.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.
I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.
Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.
Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.
However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.
I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.
I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.
I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.
Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.
Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.
However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.
I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.
I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
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Have Arsenal gone up a level? I’m not convinced.
Does anyone genuinely believe they are going to finish higher than 3rd this year or knock Bayern out of the CL? - I don’t think they stand a chance of either.
This is typical Arsenal side, lots of style but when the pressure is on they won’t make it. They are still carrying too much deadwood - Havertz, Trossard, Jesus, either keeper. These players are not good enough at the business end.
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posted on 3/4/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.
I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.
Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.
Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.
However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.
I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.
I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
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I mean compare him to Arteta's first season, not now. Their 100m outlay on Rice is a consequence of their success over the last three years. Levy is less likely to do that, sure, but Ange can only really be judged in the same way Arteta was in his first year and he got rid of a lot of dead wood and replaced them with younger players to start with, which is exactly what Ange is doing.
You can absolutely raise concerns, I've defended that for ages after you, me and sizz got dogs abuse on the match thread for showing concern for the way we were playing. Whilst it's right to raise concerns, it's also worth laying out the context for those issues, which is what I'm doing. Arteta's form in that first year was so bad he nearly got the sack so whilst we can all have a moan about Ange, we have to have a little faith it will come good.
We're going to have to hope that if we have sustained participation in the CL, we'll see more ambition shown financially than we did under Poch, who had to navigate no home ground and the funding of a stadium under his tenure. Things might be a little different this time around. We're in a much better position than we were, especially with others having their wings clipped for overspending.
Ange most definitely will not be gone this time next year. No chance. Levy will have learnt his lesson this time. We can't keep flip-flopping. Unless he somehow loses the dressing room for whatever reason, he'll be in it for the long haul. If we do lose Ange it'll be because he's had a better offer.
posted on 3/4/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.
What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.
I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.
I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.
I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.
Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.
Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.
However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.
I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.
I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
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I mean compare him to Arteta's first season, not now. Their 100m outlay on Rice is a consequence of their success over the last three years. Levy is less likely to do that, sure, but Ange can only really be judged in the same way Arteta was in his first year and he got rid of a lot of dead wood and replaced them with younger players to start with, which is exactly what Ange is doing.
You can absolutely raise concerns, I've defended that for ages after you, me and sizz got dogs abuse on the match thread for showing concern for the way we were playing. Whilst it's right to raise concerns, it's also worth laying out the context for those issues, which is what I'm doing. Arteta's form in that first year was so bad he nearly got the sack so whilst we can all have a moan about Ange, we have to have a little faith it will come good.
We're going to have to hope that if we have sustained participation in the CL, we'll see more ambition shown financially than we did under Poch, who had to navigate no home ground and the funding of a stadium under his tenure. Things might be a little different this time around. We're in a much better position than we were, especially with others having their wings clipped for overspending.
Ange most definitely will not be gone this time next year. No chance. Levy will have learnt his lesson this time. We can't keep flip-flopping. Unless he somehow loses the dressing room for whatever reason, he'll be in it for the long haul. If we do lose Ange it'll be because he's had a better offer.
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I hope you’re right mate I really do. All the points you raised about levy learning his lessons were how I felt in the appointments of Jose and conte. He didn’t learn his lessons then and I hugely doubt he will this time.
Only time will tell. At least it’s not this time last year. That was about the lowest I’d felt as a spurs fan, and I lived through the 90’s.
This summer will tell you all you need to know about the clubs ambitions and whether or not Ange will be here this time next year.
On the pitch however, there is lots and lots of work to do.
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