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posted on 11/4/24

Where would Spain fit into this if they had 3 teams in the last 4 of the CL? Surely that would carry more weight than some CL drop outs still being in the EL? Especially with Italy not even having any teams in the quarters of the CL?

So it is more beneficial to do terribly in the CL, drop out and then get to the semis of the Europa League, than it is to get to the CL quarters and get put out by one of the big boys? Ridiculous system.

posted on 11/4/24

Thought I'd repost this from my article seeing as though it's relevant here (via BBC Sport)...

"We are midway through another European week and the Premier League's hopes of gaining a fifth place in next season's Champions League have edged closer to reality.

Draws for Arsenal and Manchester City on Tuesday and Borussia Dortmund's defeat on Wednesday means English clubs have gained two points this week so far, with Germany only one.

Those points are then divided by the total number of clubs each country had in Europe this season - eight for England and seven for Germany - and then added to the overall total. It means both countries are level on 16.500, with England ahead on previous performance.

The big winners so far this week are Spain. Victories for Barcelona and Atletico Madrid, plus Real Madrid's draw, have given them five points. They also had eight teams in Europe this season, so their overall score has risen by 0.625.

However, they were already a long way back. Even with the additions, it only takes them to 15.062. And they have no more teams in action this week.

In contrast, England has three - West Ham, Liverpool and Aston Villa. Germany only have Bayer Leverkusen.

Italy still leads on 17.714 and they have four teams in action on Thursday.

A win is worth two points and a draw one - extra-time counts but not penalties - with extra points for qualification for the next phase."

posted on 11/4/24

Looking good so far with England having the most teams left (5) and an expectation that at least 3 will go through. Germany only have 3 and might well lose another (Dortmund).

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Arsenal (out)
Villa (out)
West Ham (out)

Leaving only City and Liverpool as my picks to go through.

That will leave Bayern, Leverkusen both through and Dortmund fancied on their own patch against A Madrid.

Germany 3 teams vs England 2. It's going to be a lot tighter than the experts claim I think.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 11/4/24

You look at how all the competitions are panning out and you could have a reasonable expectation that all 3 European competitions will be won by an English team. May not work out that way but if let's say City win the CL and Liverpool win the Europa...wouldn't that be enough to tilt the coefficients in our favour? What if Leverkusen won the Europa and English teams won the CL and Conference Cup?

posted on 11/4/24

How are Italy still top when they don't have a team left in the CL?

posted on 11/4/24

when I look at the co-eff table it shows England as top by quite some distance ?

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2024

posted on 11/4/24

you have a comfortable gap of 15 points between you and Germany (2nd) and 17 points over Italy

posted on 11/4/24

remember also that England also have an extra team in europe over Italy so the equivalent points picked up by Italy will be more than what England get per team.

ie the total points accumulated by all the teams is then divided by how many teams you have in europe. so for eg if English teams racked up 10 wins and and likewise Italian teams racked up 10 wins then Italy get more points than England would

posted on 11/4/24

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
remember also that England also have an extra team in europe over Italy so the equivalent points picked up by Italy will be more than what England get per team.

ie the total points accumulated by all the teams is then divided by how many teams you have in europe. so for eg if English teams racked up 10 wins and and likewise Italian teams racked up 10 wins then Italy get more points than England would
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So the key is to have a small amount of teams completely dominating. We have City and Liverpool. That's it. Villa, Arsenal and West Ham, as far as I'm concerned are going out this round due to the harsh draw so that leaves us likely with two teams left in Europe from here on in.

posted on 11/4/24

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 48 minutes ago
Looking good so far with England having the most teams left (5) and an expectation that at least 3 will go through. Germany only have 3 and might well lose another (Dortmund).

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Arsenal (out)
Villa (out)
West Ham (out)

Leaving only City and Liverpool as my picks to go through.

That will leave Bayern, Leverkusen both through and Dortmund fancied on their own patch against A Madrid.

Germany 3 teams vs England 2. It's going to be a lot tighter than the experts claim I think.
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Not sure last seasons 5th best team in french Ligue 1 is gonna beat Villa.

I would fancy City at home to Real Madrid more than Dortmund at home to Athleti.

As long as one of the English teams makes it through the UCL , Liverpool & Villa in their comps, it's "in the bag"

posted on 11/4/24

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
remember also that England also have an extra team in europe over Italy so the equivalent points picked up by Italy will be more than what England get per team.

ie the total points accumulated by all the teams is then divided by how many teams you have in europe. so for eg if English teams racked up 10 wins and and likewise Italian teams racked up 10 wins then Italy get more points than England would
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So the key is to have a small amount of teams completely dominating. We have City and Liverpool. That's it. Villa, Arsenal and West Ham, as far as I'm concerned are going out this round due to the harsh draw so that leaves us likely with two teams left in Europe from here on in.
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but when that happens you then gain extra slots fo the nest time.

posted on 11/4/24

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
when I look at the co-eff table it shows England as top by quite some distance ?

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2024
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This isn't surprising for someone whose poor wumming efforts are still superior to his football knowledge.

It's taken on this season only, not the 5 year total.

posted on 11/4/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
when I look at the co-eff table it shows England as top by quite some distance ?

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2024
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This isn't surprising for someone whose poor wumming efforts are still superior to his football knowledge.

It's taken on this season only, not the 5 year total.
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nothing I wrote there was a WUM

but thats not how they calculate the Co-eff ?? its based on 5 years. there is no way Italy overtake you not this year or the next.

posted on 11/4/24

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
when I look at the co-eff table it shows England as top by quite some distance ?

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2024
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This isn't surprising for someone whose poor wumming efforts are still superior to his football knowledge.

It's taken on this season only, not the 5 year total.
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nothing I wrote there was a WUM

but thats not how they calculate the Co-eff ?? its based on 5 years. there is no way Italy overtake you not this year or the next.
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Its not difficult.

Follow your link.

Go to the column 23/24. Click on the arrow so it orders everyone on the basis of this years coefficient.

That is how it is determined for next years revised UCL comp. and also into the future - it is the best 2 performing FAs based on the previous season that get the 2 extra places.

Stick to wumming <laughh>

posted on 11/4/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
when I look at the co-eff table it shows England as top by quite some distance ?

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2024
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This isn't surprising for someone whose poor wumming efforts are still superior to his football knowledge.

It's taken on this season only, not the 5 year total.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
nothing I wrote there was a WUM

but thats not how they calculate the Co-eff ?? its based on 5 years. there is no way Italy overtake you not this year or the next.
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Its not difficult.

Follow your link.

Go to the column 23/24. Click on the arrow so it orders everyone on the basis of this years coefficient.

That is how it is determined for next years revised UCL comp. and also into the future - it is the best 2 performing FAs based on the previous season that get the 2 extra places.

Stick to wumming <laughh>
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yes I can see what your meaning but they dont rank based on one year. the places are determine dover the 5 years progress

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 11/4/24

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
remember also that England also have an extra team in europe over Italy so the equivalent points picked up by Italy will be more than what England get per team.

ie the total points accumulated by all the teams is then divided by how many teams you have in europe. so for eg if English teams racked up 10 wins and and likewise Italian teams racked up 10 wins then Italy get more points than England would
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So the key is to have a small amount of teams completely dominating. We have City and Liverpool. That's it. Villa, Arsenal and West Ham, as far as I'm concerned are going out this round due to the harsh draw so that leaves us likely with two teams left in Europe from here on in.
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I make Villa the favourites to go through and I think they will. They are a better team than Lille at this moment and Emery has a great track record in Europe.

posted on 11/4/24

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
when I look at the co-eff table it shows England as top by quite some distance ?

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2024
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This isn't surprising for someone whose poor wumming efforts are still superior to his football knowledge.

It's taken on this season only, not the 5 year total.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
nothing I wrote there was a WUM

but thats not how they calculate the Co-eff ?? its based on 5 years. there is no way Italy overtake you not this year or the next.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its not difficult.

Follow your link.

Go to the column 23/24. Click on the arrow so it orders everyone on the basis of this years coefficient.

That is how it is determined for next years revised UCL comp. and also into the future - it is the best 2 performing FAs based on the previous season that get the 2 extra places.

Stick to wumming <laughh>
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yes I can see what your meaning but they dont rank based on one year. the places are determine dover the 5 years progress
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You. Are. Wrong.

Go Google it while i find an appropriate "I told you so" meme

posted on 11/4/24

Just read Fridge's article, yeah 5th is still not in the bag despite the gap between us and Utd. There are 21 points to play for and we have some very tough fixtures still to play.

Stay humble.

posted on 11/4/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
when I look at the co-eff table it shows England as top by quite some distance ?

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2024
----------------------------------------------------------------------

This isn't surprising for someone whose poor wumming efforts are still superior to his football knowledge.

It's taken on this season only, not the 5 year total.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
nothing I wrote there was a WUM

but thats not how they calculate the Co-eff ?? its based on 5 years. there is no way Italy overtake you not this year or the next.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its not difficult.

Follow your link.

Go to the column 23/24. Click on the arrow so it orders everyone on the basis of this years coefficient.

That is how it is determined for next years revised UCL comp. and also into the future - it is the best 2 performing FAs based on the previous season that get the 2 extra places.

Stick to wumming <laughh>
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yes I can see what your meaning but they dont rank based on one year. the places are determine dover the 5 years progress
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You. Are. Wrong.

Go Google it while i find an appropriate "I told you so" meme
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yup, I was wrong , I stand corrected

posted on 11/4/24

Think everyone is underestimating Lille. They're a good technical side with Jonathan David up top. I don't think Villa are getting past them.

posted on 11/4/24

comment by Luka Brasi 🔫 The Sons of Ange 'If we lose I don't care' (U22178)
posted 53 seconds ago
Just read Fridge's article, yeah 5th is still not in the bag despite the gap between us and Utd. There are 21 points to play for and we have some very tough fixtures still to play.

Stay humble.
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who said it was in the bag? can you link us to the article?

posted on 11/4/24

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
Think everyone is underestimating Lille. They're a good technical side with Jonathan David up top. I don't think Villa are getting past them.
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This may be so, but on paper i cannot see how 4th place Ligue 1 team is gonna trump 5th place Villa, who have their very own potent marksman and a team packed full of internationals, over 2 legs

posted on 11/4/24

comment by Luka Brasi 🔫 The Sons of Ange 'If we l... (U22178)
posted 7 minutes ago
Just read Fridge's article, yeah 5th is still not in the bag despite the gap between us and Utd. There are 21 points to play for and we have some very tough fixtures still to play.

Stay humble.
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In all likelihood 3 wins gets us 5th at least (69 pts). Max Utd can get is 70 and even their next game, Bournemouth away, is not a given 3.

I can see United getting between 60-63 with their remaining fixtures.

But i am with you, any Spurs fan saying it's in the bag clearly has a short or selective memory. It aint in the bag until its mathematically impossible MO

posted on 11/4/24

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Luka Brasi 🔫 The Sons of Ange 'If we lose I don't care' (U22178)
posted 53 seconds ago
Just read Fridge's article, yeah 5th is still not in the bag despite the gap between us and Utd. There are 21 points to play for and we have some very tough fixtures still to play.

Stay humble.
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who said it was in the bag? can you link us to the article?
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This is my article...

https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/461449

If United won every single one of their remaining 7 games they'd end up on 71 points. They won't. They've still got some tricky games left to play. Even if we only won our two easier fixtures against Sheff United and Burnley we'd end up on 66 points meaning United would still need to win 6 out of the remaining 7 to overhaul us. That's without taking into account that we could still pick up points agains the bigger teams.

They've not shown that kind of form all season. Away games to Palace and Brighton and two tough home fixtures against Arsenal and Newcastle will see to that.

Anyway, I'm not sure why it's wrong to be positive about our chances. The amount of abuse some of us got for being negative and then suddenly Luka starts being negative and "staying humble" and suddenly it's fine.

Pizz off you feckin troll.

posted on 11/4/24

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Luka Brasi 🔫 The Sons of Ange 'If we lose I don't care' (U22178)
posted 53 seconds ago
Just read Fridge's article, yeah 5th is still not in the bag despite the gap between us and Utd. There are 21 points to play for and we have some very tough fixtures still to play.

Stay humble.
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who said it was in the bag? can you link us to the article?
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Strike mug said it was. He also predicted Liverpool to beat Utd. That turned out well but some Spurs fans have a disease, where they think they know everything about football and can predict the outcomes of every game lol.

They often get their predictions wrong but cannot help themselves and predict more incorrect outcomes. Bless em. Spurts and Fridge are at it again 😂.

I just found the article and it took me under 30 seconds. Everyone wants everything on a plate now adays, do some work and find it yourself. I remember you boring me last time saying a bunch of lies to defend the article.

You're boring lad.

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