comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 12 hours, 30 minutes ago
Same place as Chong, Luton's MOTM yesterday.
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He caught the eye didn’t he. Bet he’s back in the prem next year if Luton go down. Maybe at United on the Pogba model for £100m. Then he’ll be sh111te.
We'll always produce some PL quality players, we will very occasional produce a player that could help a team compete at the very top.
A few goals here and there doesn't change much for the likes of Pereira and Elanga.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 28 minutes ago
We'll always produce some PL quality players, we will very occasional produce a player that could help a team compete at the very top.
A few goals here and there doesn't change much for the likes of Pereira and Elanga.
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This ^
TBF the OP should know this at this stage
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 hours, 49 minutes ago
James Garner hasn't had a bad season either at Everton despite their off and on the field issues.
Elanga another one who has flourished.
It's heavy shirt to wear the United one. Every single performance is analysed under a microscope and a lot of players simply can't handle it.
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No different to Liverpool though, and most of them seem to be handling it ok.
I’d suggest it’s more how United handle them that’s the issue. Or they’re just not that good in the first place.
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The fact you have won 1 league title in 34 years would lead me to believe the shirt has been very heavy for hundreds of your players over the last 30 years.
But a recency bias at play here. Hasn't been always like this has it before Klopp?
Maybe 3 or 4 seasons after a prolonged period of success, there is pressure to replicate that success, but eventually, fans begin to expect less, before a lack of success becomes the norm.
It used to be a bad season for United if they didn't win the title. That was pressure. That's what SAF was talking about.
Now, a top 4 finish, and maybe a cup is a good season. Thats far less pressure.
Rashford hasn't won a title or a European Cup, hasn't been close to being the Leagues top scorer, has had more poor seasons than brilliant, wouldn't get in Liverpool, City or Arsenals sides, certai by wouldn't make the bench in some of our past great teams, yet look at how revered he is by some of our fans.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 31 seconds ago
Maybe 3 or 4 seasons after a prolonged period of success, there is pressure to replicate that success, but eventually, fans begin to expect less, before a lack of success becomes the norm.
It used to be a bad season for United if they didn't win the title. That was pressure. That's what SAF was talking about.
Now, a top 4 finish, and maybe a cup is a good season. Thats far less pressure.
Rashford hasn't won a title or a European Cup, hasn't been close to being the Leagues top scorer, has had more poor seasons than brilliant, wouldn't get in Liverpool, City or Arsenals sides, certai by wouldn't make the bench in some of our past great teams, yet look at how revered he is by some of our fans.
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The let's pin everything on Rashford agenda is equally as stupid as the fans who think he's as good as Mbappe although they have gone a bit quieter now of course after the season hes just had.
With or without Rashford we are an abysmal team. We've been whacked 3-0 at home twice this season in games Rashford didn't start in.
Think it's time we stopped this ridiculous agenda. Rashford isn't world class, no, but he's still one of our most talented players. That's just the level we are now.
No agenda. I'm just using Rashford as an example of how standards and expectations have fallen.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
No agenda. I'm just using Rashford as an example of how standards and expectations have fallen.
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Standards have fallen. Massively.
Just getting sick of hearing nonsense from fans who say we are better without him. The evidence on the games he didn't start this season suggests that's very much not the case.
Bournemouth for example whacked us 3-0 at OT when he was dropped. Newcastle beat us 3-0 too with him and Bruno dropped despite them having about 13 players unavailable at the time.
We're probably looking at 2/3 seasons out of the CL now I think. That's how bad it is.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 hours, 49 minutes ago
James Garner hasn't had a bad season either at Everton despite their off and on the field issues.
Elanga another one who has flourished.
It's heavy shirt to wear the United one. Every single performance is analysed under a microscope and a lot of players simply can't handle it.
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No different to Liverpool though, and most of them seem to be handling it ok.
I’d suggest it’s more how United handle them that’s the issue. Or they’re just not that good in the first place.
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The fact you have won 1 league title in 34 years would lead me to believe the shirt has been very heavy for hundreds of your players over the last 30 years.
But a recency bias at play here. Hasn't been always like this has it before Klopp?
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Feckin hell you’re so tiresome. We’re talking about recent players, so how can it be recency bias?
A few of your youngsters are doing fine at United, so if you’re good enough you’ll make it, whatever the pressure.
Glazer going on about agendas
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
No agenda. I'm just using Rashford as an example of how standards and expectations have fallen.
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Standards have fallen. Massively.
Just getting sick of hearing nonsense from fans who say we are better without him. The evidence on the games he didn't start this season suggests that's very much not the case.
Bournemouth for example whacked us 3-0 at OT when he was dropped. Newcastle beat us 3-0 too with him and Bruno dropped despite them having about 13 players unavailable at the time.
We're probably looking at 2/3 seasons out of the CL now I think. That's how bad it is.
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Nahhh. Ineos will fund 4 or 5 sensible signings I reckon, and will no doubt prioritise the League over cups and whatever 3rd rate European Comp we sneak into.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
No agenda. I'm just using Rashford as an example of how standards and expectations have fallen.
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Standards have fallen. Massively.
Just getting sick of hearing nonsense from fans who say we are better without him. The evidence on the games he didn't start this season suggests that's very much not the case.
Bournemouth for example whacked us 3-0 at OT when he was dropped. Newcastle beat us 3-0 too with him and Bruno dropped despite them having about 13 players unavailable at the time.
We're probably looking at 2/3 seasons out of the CL now I think. That's how bad it is.
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Nahhh. Ineos will fund 4 or 5 sensible signings I reckon, and will no doubt prioritise the League over cups and whatever 3rd rate European Comp we sneak into.
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Took Arsenal like 7 years. It's definitely not unrealistic given how bad we are.
If we are truthful we are lucky to be 7th. With amount of shots we've conceded we should be bottom half.
Shaw, Martinez, Dalot, Mainoo, Mount, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund is a pretty good base to build on.
4 sensible signings, improvement from some of the remaining squad (which should be possible) and prioritising the league fixtures, and I think top 4 next season should be achievable.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
RDD
Read a book (please read a book RDD) written by an ex United player called Mickey Thomas (ask Diafol about him).
The pressure of wearing the red shirt for United nearly did for him. And that was when we won fack all.
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Things change mate. Players earn far more, have far more power nowadays, and there are clubs out there now with almost as.many resources as we have.
Nobody expects much from United now.
Prove me wrong though, what major titles do you expect us to win in the next 2 seasons?
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maybe the FA Cup next month?
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You expect us to win FA Cup. Noted.
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Depends if we beat Cov. I expect that.
Depends who we get in the final. I fancy us vs Chelsea so I suppose I expect us to win. It will be tougher vs City. But it's a derby, so who knows. They can win it, so as a Red I expect them do so.
I have great expectations for United to win every game they play with a football fan's enthusiasm and hope. Especially at Old Trafford. But it doesnt surprise me that I often think they won't win in anticipation of some games in these lean times for United, or that they actually and quite often, don't win games, despite my (biast) great expectations.
I never think United can't win a game beforehand. My great expectations dont allow that. If I did, what's the point of me watching it, and paying ridiculous prices to do so a supporter if I knew it was a foregone conclusion?
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 hours, 49 minutes ago
James Garner hasn't had a bad season either at Everton despite their off and on the field issues.
Elanga another one who has flourished.
It's heavy shirt to wear the United one. Every single performance is analysed under a microscope and a lot of players simply can't handle it.
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No different to Liverpool though, and most of them seem to be handling it ok.
I’d suggest it’s more how United handle them that’s the issue. Or they’re just not that good in the first place.
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The fact you have won 1 league title in 34 years would lead me to believe the shirt has been very heavy for hundreds of your players over the last 30 years.
But a recency bias at play here. Hasn't been always like this has it before Klopp?
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Feckin hell you’re so tiresome. We’re talking about recent players, so how can it be recency bias?
A few of your youngsters are doing fine at United, so if you’re good enough you’ll make it, whatever the pressure.
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Because you're using recency bias to argue your point.
Have a lot of your players between 1990 and when Klopp took charged struggled to live up to expectations? Of course they have.
You lot change history like no other fanbase I have ever seen. You've been largely irrelevant in football terms since 1990. You've had a few good years under Klopp and a few not so good ones too.
The point I made was valid. It's a heavy shirt to wear just like the United one is. Just because you're a good side right now doesn't dismiss that point.
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
RDD
Read a book (please read a book RDD) written by an ex United player called Mickey Thomas (ask Diafol about him).
The pressure of wearing the red shirt for United nearly did for him. And that was when we won fack all.
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Things change mate. Players earn far more, have far more power nowadays, and there are clubs out there now with almost as.many resources as we have.
Nobody expects much from United now.
Prove me wrong though, what major titles do you expect us to win in the next 2 seasons?
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maybe the FA Cup next month?
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You expect us to win FA Cup. Noted.
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Depends if we beat Cov. I expect that.
Depends who we get in the final. I fancy us vs Chelsea so I suppose I expect us to win. It will be tougher vs City. But it's a derby, so who knows. They can win it, so as a Red I expect them do so.
I have great expectations for United to win every game they play with a football fan's enthusiasm and hope. Especially at Old Trafford. But it doesnt surprise me that I often think they won't win in anticipation of some games in these lean times for United, or that they actually and quite often, don't win games, despite my (biast) great expectations.
I never think United can't win a game beforehand. My great expectations dont allow that. If I did, what's the point of me watching it, and paying ridiculous prices to do so a supporter if I knew it was a foregone conclusion?
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You can hope all you like. Nobody is saying otherwise.
The point I'm making is that our players don't feel the pressure that they would have done under SAF, Moyes, maybe even LVG. Those days have gone for the majority of our players.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 28 minutes ago
We'll always produce some PL quality players, we will very occasional produce a player that could help a team compete at the very top.
A few goals here and there doesn't change much for the likes of Pereira and Elanga.
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This ^
TBF the OP should know this at this stage
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While this might be true, two things I m sure of. 1. Those players are at the same level or even better than the ones we spend so money to assemble.
2. The managerial system will always assure that the academy players almost never make it. Mainoo is a managerial decision from being a world class players to being tossed off. Watching Liverpool actually deceive themselves should tell you everything you need to know about how a good manager can change the prospects of the team and it's academy players.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
RDD
Read a book (please read a book RDD) written by an ex United player called Mickey Thomas (ask Diafol about him).
The pressure of wearing the red shirt for United nearly did for him. And that was when we won fack all.
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Things change mate. Players earn far more, have far more power nowadays, and there are clubs out there now with almost as.many resources as we have.
Nobody expects much from United now.
Prove me wrong though, what major titles do you expect us to win in the next 2 seasons?
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maybe the FA Cup next month?
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You expect us to win FA Cup. Noted.
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Depends if we beat Cov. I expect that.
Depends who we get in the final. I fancy us vs Chelsea so I suppose I expect us to win. It will be tougher vs City. But it's a derby, so who knows. They can win it, so as a Red I expect them do so.
I have great expectations for United to win every game they play with a football fan's enthusiasm and hope. Especially at Old Trafford. But it doesnt surprise me that I often think they won't win in anticipation of some games in these lean times for United, or that they actually and quite often, don't win games, despite my (biast) great expectations.
I never think United can't win a game beforehand. My great expectations dont allow that. If I did, what's the point of me watching it, and paying ridiculous prices to do so a supporter if I knew it was a foregone conclusion?
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You can hope all you like. Nobody is saying otherwise.
The point I'm making is that our players don't feel the pressure that they would have done under SAF, Moyes, maybe even LVG. Those days have gone for the majority of our players.
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I know you do RDD.
But I disagree with you.
He will be no different to the hundreds of other players who leave United and move on to other clubs.
He isn't going to be one we wished we had back.
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
RDD
Read a book (please read a book RDD) written by an ex United player called Mickey Thomas (ask Diafol about him).
The pressure of wearing the red shirt for United nearly did for him. And that was when we won fack all.
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Things change mate. Players earn far more, have far more power nowadays, and there are clubs out there now with almost as.many resources as we have.
Nobody expects much from United now.
Prove me wrong though, what major titles do you expect us to win in the next 2 seasons?
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maybe the FA Cup next month?
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You expect us to win FA Cup. Noted.
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Depends if we beat Cov. I expect that.
Depends who we get in the final. I fancy us vs Chelsea so I suppose I expect us to win. It will be tougher vs City. But it's a derby, so who knows. They can win it, so as a Red I expect them do so.
I have great expectations for United to win every game they play with a football fan's enthusiasm and hope. Especially at Old Trafford. But it doesnt surprise me that I often think they won't win in anticipation of some games in these lean times for United, or that they actually and quite often, don't win games, despite my (biast) great expectations.
I never think United can't win a game beforehand. My great expectations dont allow that. If I did, what's the point of me watching it, and paying ridiculous prices to do so a supporter if I knew it was a foregone conclusion?
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You can hope all you like. Nobody is saying otherwise.
The point I'm making is that our players don't feel the pressure that they would have done under SAF, Moyes, maybe even LVG. Those days have gone for the majority of our players.
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I know you do RDD.
But I disagree with you.
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You know I do what?
I think Pereira is at least as useful as Mount.
I think Elanga is as useful as Antony.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
He will be no different to the hundreds of other players who leave United and move on to other clubs.
He isn't going to be one we wished we had back.
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This ^
"He isn't going to be one we wished we had back"
Off the top the head have there been many that fell into that category over the years ?
Giles, Mark Hughes, McGrath , Ronaldo, Pique, Pogba ?
The expectation obviously has a big effect on certain players but I feel like the culture at the club is a bigger issue. The players all know they'll out last the manager and if they don't like him then there aren't really any consequences.
When Ferguson took over I don't think the players were struggling with the expectation necessarily but more that the culure was wrong (in a different way) which Ferguson went about fixing as quickly as he could. I think all the managers post Ferguson are aware of it and have tried to fix it in their own ways but none of them have been successful and that's largely down to how the club is run from top to bottom. Hopefully now with INEOS we'll see some positive changes but that's gonna take a little while.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
He will be no different to the hundreds of other players who leave United and move on to other clubs.
He isn't going to be one we wished we had back.
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This ^
"He isn't going to be one we wished we had back"
Off the top the head have there been many that fell into that category over the years ?
Giles, Mark Hughes, McGrath , Ronaldo, Pique, Pogba ?
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Stam, Beckham, Blind, Evans
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posted on 15/4/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 12 hours, 30 minutes ago
Same place as Chong, Luton's MOTM yesterday.
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He caught the eye didn’t he. Bet he’s back in the prem next year if Luton go down. Maybe at United on the Pogba model for £100m. Then he’ll be sh111te.
posted on 15/4/24
We'll always produce some PL quality players, we will very occasional produce a player that could help a team compete at the very top.
A few goals here and there doesn't change much for the likes of Pereira and Elanga.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 28 minutes ago
We'll always produce some PL quality players, we will very occasional produce a player that could help a team compete at the very top.
A few goals here and there doesn't change much for the likes of Pereira and Elanga.
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This ^
TBF the OP should know this at this stage
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 hours, 49 minutes ago
James Garner hasn't had a bad season either at Everton despite their off and on the field issues.
Elanga another one who has flourished.
It's heavy shirt to wear the United one. Every single performance is analysed under a microscope and a lot of players simply can't handle it.
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No different to Liverpool though, and most of them seem to be handling it ok.
I’d suggest it’s more how United handle them that’s the issue. Or they’re just not that good in the first place.
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The fact you have won 1 league title in 34 years would lead me to believe the shirt has been very heavy for hundreds of your players over the last 30 years.
But a recency bias at play here. Hasn't been always like this has it before Klopp?
posted on 15/4/24
Maybe 3 or 4 seasons after a prolonged period of success, there is pressure to replicate that success, but eventually, fans begin to expect less, before a lack of success becomes the norm.
It used to be a bad season for United if they didn't win the title. That was pressure. That's what SAF was talking about.
Now, a top 4 finish, and maybe a cup is a good season. Thats far less pressure.
Rashford hasn't won a title or a European Cup, hasn't been close to being the Leagues top scorer, has had more poor seasons than brilliant, wouldn't get in Liverpool, City or Arsenals sides, certai by wouldn't make the bench in some of our past great teams, yet look at how revered he is by some of our fans.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 31 seconds ago
Maybe 3 or 4 seasons after a prolonged period of success, there is pressure to replicate that success, but eventually, fans begin to expect less, before a lack of success becomes the norm.
It used to be a bad season for United if they didn't win the title. That was pressure. That's what SAF was talking about.
Now, a top 4 finish, and maybe a cup is a good season. Thats far less pressure.
Rashford hasn't won a title or a European Cup, hasn't been close to being the Leagues top scorer, has had more poor seasons than brilliant, wouldn't get in Liverpool, City or Arsenals sides, certai by wouldn't make the bench in some of our past great teams, yet look at how revered he is by some of our fans.
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The let's pin everything on Rashford agenda is equally as stupid as the fans who think he's as good as Mbappe although they have gone a bit quieter now of course after the season hes just had.
With or without Rashford we are an abysmal team. We've been whacked 3-0 at home twice this season in games Rashford didn't start in.
Think it's time we stopped this ridiculous agenda. Rashford isn't world class, no, but he's still one of our most talented players. That's just the level we are now.
posted on 15/4/24
No agenda. I'm just using Rashford as an example of how standards and expectations have fallen.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
No agenda. I'm just using Rashford as an example of how standards and expectations have fallen.
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Standards have fallen. Massively.
Just getting sick of hearing nonsense from fans who say we are better without him. The evidence on the games he didn't start this season suggests that's very much not the case.
Bournemouth for example whacked us 3-0 at OT when he was dropped. Newcastle beat us 3-0 too with him and Bruno dropped despite them having about 13 players unavailable at the time.
We're probably looking at 2/3 seasons out of the CL now I think. That's how bad it is.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 hours, 49 minutes ago
James Garner hasn't had a bad season either at Everton despite their off and on the field issues.
Elanga another one who has flourished.
It's heavy shirt to wear the United one. Every single performance is analysed under a microscope and a lot of players simply can't handle it.
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No different to Liverpool though, and most of them seem to be handling it ok.
I’d suggest it’s more how United handle them that’s the issue. Or they’re just not that good in the first place.
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The fact you have won 1 league title in 34 years would lead me to believe the shirt has been very heavy for hundreds of your players over the last 30 years.
But a recency bias at play here. Hasn't been always like this has it before Klopp?
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Feckin hell you’re so tiresome. We’re talking about recent players, so how can it be recency bias?
A few of your youngsters are doing fine at United, so if you’re good enough you’ll make it, whatever the pressure.
posted on 15/4/24
Glazer going on about agendas
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
No agenda. I'm just using Rashford as an example of how standards and expectations have fallen.
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Standards have fallen. Massively.
Just getting sick of hearing nonsense from fans who say we are better without him. The evidence on the games he didn't start this season suggests that's very much not the case.
Bournemouth for example whacked us 3-0 at OT when he was dropped. Newcastle beat us 3-0 too with him and Bruno dropped despite them having about 13 players unavailable at the time.
We're probably looking at 2/3 seasons out of the CL now I think. That's how bad it is.
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Nahhh. Ineos will fund 4 or 5 sensible signings I reckon, and will no doubt prioritise the League over cups and whatever 3rd rate European Comp we sneak into.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
No agenda. I'm just using Rashford as an example of how standards and expectations have fallen.
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Standards have fallen. Massively.
Just getting sick of hearing nonsense from fans who say we are better without him. The evidence on the games he didn't start this season suggests that's very much not the case.
Bournemouth for example whacked us 3-0 at OT when he was dropped. Newcastle beat us 3-0 too with him and Bruno dropped despite them having about 13 players unavailable at the time.
We're probably looking at 2/3 seasons out of the CL now I think. That's how bad it is.
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Nahhh. Ineos will fund 4 or 5 sensible signings I reckon, and will no doubt prioritise the League over cups and whatever 3rd rate European Comp we sneak into.
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Took Arsenal like 7 years. It's definitely not unrealistic given how bad we are.
If we are truthful we are lucky to be 7th. With amount of shots we've conceded we should be bottom half.
posted on 15/4/24
Shaw, Martinez, Dalot, Mainoo, Mount, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund is a pretty good base to build on.
4 sensible signings, improvement from some of the remaining squad (which should be possible) and prioritising the league fixtures, and I think top 4 next season should be achievable.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
RDD
Read a book (please read a book RDD) written by an ex United player called Mickey Thomas (ask Diafol about him).
The pressure of wearing the red shirt for United nearly did for him. And that was when we won fack all.
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Things change mate. Players earn far more, have far more power nowadays, and there are clubs out there now with almost as.many resources as we have.
Nobody expects much from United now.
Prove me wrong though, what major titles do you expect us to win in the next 2 seasons?
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maybe the FA Cup next month?
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You expect us to win FA Cup. Noted.
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Depends if we beat Cov. I expect that.
Depends who we get in the final. I fancy us vs Chelsea so I suppose I expect us to win. It will be tougher vs City. But it's a derby, so who knows. They can win it, so as a Red I expect them do so.
I have great expectations for United to win every game they play with a football fan's enthusiasm and hope. Especially at Old Trafford. But it doesnt surprise me that I often think they won't win in anticipation of some games in these lean times for United, or that they actually and quite often, don't win games, despite my (biast) great expectations.
I never think United can't win a game beforehand. My great expectations dont allow that. If I did, what's the point of me watching it, and paying ridiculous prices to do so a supporter if I knew it was a foregone conclusion?
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 hours, 49 minutes ago
James Garner hasn't had a bad season either at Everton despite their off and on the field issues.
Elanga another one who has flourished.
It's heavy shirt to wear the United one. Every single performance is analysed under a microscope and a lot of players simply can't handle it.
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No different to Liverpool though, and most of them seem to be handling it ok.
I’d suggest it’s more how United handle them that’s the issue. Or they’re just not that good in the first place.
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The fact you have won 1 league title in 34 years would lead me to believe the shirt has been very heavy for hundreds of your players over the last 30 years.
But a recency bias at play here. Hasn't been always like this has it before Klopp?
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Feckin hell you’re so tiresome. We’re talking about recent players, so how can it be recency bias?
A few of your youngsters are doing fine at United, so if you’re good enough you’ll make it, whatever the pressure.
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Because you're using recency bias to argue your point.
Have a lot of your players between 1990 and when Klopp took charged struggled to live up to expectations? Of course they have.
You lot change history like no other fanbase I have ever seen. You've been largely irrelevant in football terms since 1990. You've had a few good years under Klopp and a few not so good ones too.
The point I made was valid. It's a heavy shirt to wear just like the United one is. Just because you're a good side right now doesn't dismiss that point.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
RDD
Read a book (please read a book RDD) written by an ex United player called Mickey Thomas (ask Diafol about him).
The pressure of wearing the red shirt for United nearly did for him. And that was when we won fack all.
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Things change mate. Players earn far more, have far more power nowadays, and there are clubs out there now with almost as.many resources as we have.
Nobody expects much from United now.
Prove me wrong though, what major titles do you expect us to win in the next 2 seasons?
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maybe the FA Cup next month?
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You expect us to win FA Cup. Noted.
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Depends if we beat Cov. I expect that.
Depends who we get in the final. I fancy us vs Chelsea so I suppose I expect us to win. It will be tougher vs City. But it's a derby, so who knows. They can win it, so as a Red I expect them do so.
I have great expectations for United to win every game they play with a football fan's enthusiasm and hope. Especially at Old Trafford. But it doesnt surprise me that I often think they won't win in anticipation of some games in these lean times for United, or that they actually and quite often, don't win games, despite my (biast) great expectations.
I never think United can't win a game beforehand. My great expectations dont allow that. If I did, what's the point of me watching it, and paying ridiculous prices to do so a supporter if I knew it was a foregone conclusion?
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You can hope all you like. Nobody is saying otherwise.
The point I'm making is that our players don't feel the pressure that they would have done under SAF, Moyes, maybe even LVG. Those days have gone for the majority of our players.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 28 minutes ago
We'll always produce some PL quality players, we will very occasional produce a player that could help a team compete at the very top.
A few goals here and there doesn't change much for the likes of Pereira and Elanga.
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TBF the OP should know this at this stage
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While this might be true, two things I m sure of. 1. Those players are at the same level or even better than the ones we spend so money to assemble.
2. The managerial system will always assure that the academy players almost never make it. Mainoo is a managerial decision from being a world class players to being tossed off. Watching Liverpool actually deceive themselves should tell you everything you need to know about how a good manager can change the prospects of the team and it's academy players.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
RDD
Read a book (please read a book RDD) written by an ex United player called Mickey Thomas (ask Diafol about him).
The pressure of wearing the red shirt for United nearly did for him. And that was when we won fack all.
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Things change mate. Players earn far more, have far more power nowadays, and there are clubs out there now with almost as.many resources as we have.
Nobody expects much from United now.
Prove me wrong though, what major titles do you expect us to win in the next 2 seasons?
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maybe the FA Cup next month?
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You expect us to win FA Cup. Noted.
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Depends if we beat Cov. I expect that.
Depends who we get in the final. I fancy us vs Chelsea so I suppose I expect us to win. It will be tougher vs City. But it's a derby, so who knows. They can win it, so as a Red I expect them do so.
I have great expectations for United to win every game they play with a football fan's enthusiasm and hope. Especially at Old Trafford. But it doesnt surprise me that I often think they won't win in anticipation of some games in these lean times for United, or that they actually and quite often, don't win games, despite my (biast) great expectations.
I never think United can't win a game beforehand. My great expectations dont allow that. If I did, what's the point of me watching it, and paying ridiculous prices to do so a supporter if I knew it was a foregone conclusion?
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You can hope all you like. Nobody is saying otherwise.
The point I'm making is that our players don't feel the pressure that they would have done under SAF, Moyes, maybe even LVG. Those days have gone for the majority of our players.
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I know you do RDD.
But I disagree with you.
posted on 15/4/24
He will be no different to the hundreds of other players who leave United and move on to other clubs.
He isn't going to be one we wished we had back.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
RDD
Read a book (please read a book RDD) written by an ex United player called Mickey Thomas (ask Diafol about him).
The pressure of wearing the red shirt for United nearly did for him. And that was when we won fack all.
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Things change mate. Players earn far more, have far more power nowadays, and there are clubs out there now with almost as.many resources as we have.
Nobody expects much from United now.
Prove me wrong though, what major titles do you expect us to win in the next 2 seasons?
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maybe the FA Cup next month?
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You expect us to win FA Cup. Noted.
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Depends if we beat Cov. I expect that.
Depends who we get in the final. I fancy us vs Chelsea so I suppose I expect us to win. It will be tougher vs City. But it's a derby, so who knows. They can win it, so as a Red I expect them do so.
I have great expectations for United to win every game they play with a football fan's enthusiasm and hope. Especially at Old Trafford. But it doesnt surprise me that I often think they won't win in anticipation of some games in these lean times for United, or that they actually and quite often, don't win games, despite my (biast) great expectations.
I never think United can't win a game beforehand. My great expectations dont allow that. If I did, what's the point of me watching it, and paying ridiculous prices to do so a supporter if I knew it was a foregone conclusion?
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You can hope all you like. Nobody is saying otherwise.
The point I'm making is that our players don't feel the pressure that they would have done under SAF, Moyes, maybe even LVG. Those days have gone for the majority of our players.
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I know you do RDD.
But I disagree with you.
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You know I do what?
posted on 15/4/24
I think Pereira is at least as useful as Mount.
I think Elanga is as useful as Antony.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
He will be no different to the hundreds of other players who leave United and move on to other clubs.
He isn't going to be one we wished we had back.
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This ^
"He isn't going to be one we wished we had back"
Off the top the head have there been many that fell into that category over the years ?
Giles, Mark Hughes, McGrath , Ronaldo, Pique, Pogba ?
posted on 15/4/24
The expectation obviously has a big effect on certain players but I feel like the culture at the club is a bigger issue. The players all know they'll out last the manager and if they don't like him then there aren't really any consequences.
When Ferguson took over I don't think the players were struggling with the expectation necessarily but more that the culure was wrong (in a different way) which Ferguson went about fixing as quickly as he could. I think all the managers post Ferguson are aware of it and have tried to fix it in their own ways but none of them have been successful and that's largely down to how the club is run from top to bottom. Hopefully now with INEOS we'll see some positive changes but that's gonna take a little while.
posted on 15/4/24
Sorry, wrong thread.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
He will be no different to the hundreds of other players who leave United and move on to other clubs.
He isn't going to be one we wished we had back.
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This ^
"He isn't going to be one we wished we had back"
Off the top the head have there been many that fell into that category over the years ?
Giles, Mark Hughes, McGrath , Ronaldo, Pique, Pogba ?
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Stam, Beckham, Blind, Evans
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