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posted on 15/4/24

sterling has over 100 PL goals and started 30 games a season for a team that won 4 PL titles

if Brennan had the kind of career for us he'd be an unbelievable signing

posted on 15/4/24

comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 6 minutes ago
sterling has over 100 PL goals and started 30 games a season for a team that won 4 PL titles

if Brennan had the kind of career for us he'd be an unbelievable signing
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kind have*

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 22 minutes ago
Brennan Johnson has more non-penalty goals and assists per 90 minutes than Saka and you don't think he deserves to be in our first team?

god some people really did make their mind up about him the second he signed
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Gents, opinions.

Doesn't take his man on, forever coming inside and back when his supposed best attribute is pace. Not a great crosser.

If you want to through some stats, look at the goals Sterling scored from getting to the back post with pace, wouldn't want him at Spurs.

Not saying I want him out, but he is taking up a place in the first team I don't think he has earnt or deserves.

Rather that stats, when watch a game, do you ever get the feeling he is a good positive contributor or a passenger in general.

I know my opinion, and I respect yours.

I hope he improves, he may very well do if we ever decide to play a No. 9
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Have to agree with you here. Bjs best work is done when he has wide open spaces to work with. You close him down he is practically ineffective and lacks the guile or finesse to beat a man. Any half decent team can mark him out of a game. Against low block teams I might as well take his place and I haven’t put my boot on in years.!
Physically he is pretty weak and is easily outmuscled .

He will create and score goals but not a player who is consistent or stand out or put the fear into the opposition. This squad needs better footballers not sprinters . And Werner . Seriously how the faack we supposed to compete!!

posted on 16/4/24

Hang on, we brought Maddison for £40m who is the finished article and deemed to be the playmaker in the team. At the time he was seen as a bargin!

We brought BJ due his pace, potential and because he suited the winger role in the system.

Palmer was never on our radar and I suspect was offered to Chelsea after City signed Kovacic from them.

posted on 16/4/24

We have another speedster in Solomon who has not entered this conversation.
And Kulushevski will regain form....had the best short on goal at Newcastle.

Son does need help from somewhere.
And Werner ain't the answer.

Frankly I'm waiting to see what our genius manager does in the upcoming matches!

comment by Mack (U6574)

posted on 16/4/24

Just don’t understand the plan at spurs

With the manager has to change his system to suit his players or the chairman is going to have to buy better players to suit his managers system.

Sadly I don’t see either happening.

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 11 minutes ago
Just don’t understand the plan at spurs

With the manager has to change his system to suit his players or the chairman is going to have to buy better players to suit his managers system.

Sadly I don’t see either happening.
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I don't understand how you don't understand football.

We always try to sign better players than what we have. Sometimes that goes better than others, but that will never change.

The manager doesn't need to change his system to suit the players, he needs to tweak it occasionally to suit the opposition. That's what he's missing. But until the players properly know and trust the system he can't stay messing with it or it'll just look even worse then you'll really be moaning.

Look at Brighton. Their players aren't better than ours. Dunk isn't particularly good in a high line or whatever, but they all know what they're doing so it always looks decent.

comment by Mack (U6574)

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 11 minutes ago
Just don’t understand the plan at spurs

With the manager has to change his system to suit his players or the chairman is going to have to buy better players to suit his managers system.

Sadly I don’t see either happening.
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I don't understand how you don't understand football.

We always try to sign better players than what we have. Sometimes that goes better than others, but that will never change.

The manager doesn't need to change his system to suit the players, he needs to tweak it occasionally to suit the opposition. That's what he's missing. But until the players properly know and trust the system he can't stay messing with it or it'll just look even worse then you'll really be moaning.

Look at Brighton. Their players aren't better than ours. Dunk isn't particularly good in a high line or whatever, but they all know what they're doing so it always looks decent.
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Why are you comparing us to Brighton? Is that the level we set ourselves too?

We need to sign proper first team players that will come in and make a difference to this team. Not chance our arm on Emerson royal or Bryan Gil. That is what spurs need to do to win things and get to the next level. They won’t do it.

As for ‘tweaks’. We are playing a dangerously high line with a defensive midfielder in biss who is simply not mobile enough to do it. We are gambling that our forwards will score more than we concede, yet one of those forwards in Werner is famous for his poor finishing.

We have inverted full backs that have lost the ability to track back and defend, a centre half that is more interested in fighting any Brazilian player he comes up against than actually defending.

We have a tired and out of form captain, possibly not playing in his best position due to weaknesses elsewhere and the clubs inability to replace Kane.

What are you seeing that I am not? Seems you think you know way more about football than me due to the arrogance and rudeness of your comment. So convince me how this will work?

posted on 16/4/24

Who on earth is Brennan Johnson

posted on 16/4/24

Why are you comparing us to Brighton?
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Cos comparing us to City or Arsenal or Liverpool would be arrogant. But if that works better for you, the same applies. Those managers didn't throw out their system because of some bad results early on. Now they're well sorted sides, you can drop in the occasional Nketiah or Tsimikas or whatever and they still look good. Because just signing more 'better' players is only a marginal improvement usually, and is generally less effective (see Chelsea) than the whole team knowing what they're doing and having faith in it even if the players are worse (see Brighton).

I'm not trying to be rude but your initial comment lacked any effort to understand and your subsequent one is just a list of moans. I'm giving you about the level of respect what you're putting out deserves

posted on 16/4/24

I'm not trying to be rude but your initial comment lacked any effort to understand and your subsequent one is just a list of moans. I'm giving you about the level of respect what you're putting out deserves

😂

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour ago
Who on earth is Brennan Johnson
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You probably don’t know him Rusty, he never played for Pompey

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour ago
Who on earth is Brennan Johnson
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You probably don’t know him Rusty, he never played for Pompey
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League One Champions Pompey to you son...or at least they will be today

so much more successful than Spurs

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 10 hours, 50 minutes ago
Do we need to worry about Chelsea? You never know if the result against United was the kickstart they needed. Could be like Poch's Kane scoring the free kick against Villa moment in his first season with us.
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I doubt it, they followed that win up with a draw at Sheffield United and the game before had drawn at home to 10 man Burnley.

They still can’t defend, but Everton have more or less the worst attack in the league so it didn’t matter last night

posted on 16/4/24

Great player, should be going to the Euros and quite possibly starting based on current form.

England have the best attacking line up in world football currently, if Southgate gets the defence right then we really should be getting to another euro final or only losing to France as they also have an unbelievable side. The rest can’t hold a candle to our squad

comment by Mack (U6574)

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 23 minutes ago
Why are you comparing us to Brighton?
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Cos comparing us to City or Arsenal or Liverpool would be arrogant. But if that works better for you, the same applies. Those managers didn't throw out their system because of some bad results early on. Now they're well sorted sides, you can drop in the occasional Nketiah or Tsimikas or whatever and they still look good. Because just signing more 'better' players is only a marginal improvement usually, and is generally less effective (see Chelsea) than the whole team knowing what they're doing and having faith in it even if the players are worse (see Brighton).

I'm not trying to be rude but your initial comment lacked any effort to understand and your subsequent one is just a list of moans. I'm giving you about the level of respect what you're putting out deserves
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It isn’t just a list of moans. It is a list of justified criticisms. Everyone tells me all they wanted this season was to see progress. All I can see is a team that looks more confused as the season goes on.

Udogie, biss, madison, porro, bents, son have all just disappeared in the last games. The manager can’t seem to get the best out of them. All a team has to do is man mark our high line, play a low block in defence and it’s game over for us. It’s so obvious. Moyes did it. O’Neil did it and now a Newcastle side with multiple injuries have done it. Our manager cannot fix it. Our players can’t figure out a way around it. That’s why you’re seeing Maddison becoming petulant. He’s frustrated. He’s lucky he hasn’t been sent off yet.

It’s not working at spurs and I do not back the board to supply the players we need to fix it. That’s why I think ange will be gone next season. It’s not what I want but it’s what history has taught me.

Bookmark it and we will see.

posted on 16/4/24

Also, Udogie was less than half the price of Cucurella and vic was less than a quarter of the price of Arizzabalaga

Let that sink in

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 23 minutes ago
Why are you comparing us to Brighton?
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Cos comparing us to City or Arsenal or Liverpool would be arrogant. But if that works better for you, the same applies. Those managers didn't throw out their system because of some bad results early on. Now they're well sorted sides, you can drop in the occasional Nketiah or Tsimikas or whatever and they still look good. Because just signing more 'better' players is only a marginal improvement usually, and is generally less effective (see Chelsea) than the whole team knowing what they're doing and having faith in it even if the players are worse (see Brighton).

I'm not trying to be rude but your initial comment lacked any effort to understand and your subsequent one is just a list of moans. I'm giving you about the level of respect what you're putting out deserves
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It isn’t just a list of moans. It is a list of justified criticisms. Everyone tells me all they wanted this season was to see progress. All I can see is a team that looks more confused as the season goes on.

Udogie, biss, madison, porro, bents, son have all just disappeared in the last games. The manager can’t seem to get the best out of them. All a team has to do is man mark our high line, play a low block in defence and it’s game over for us. It’s so obvious. Moyes did it. O’Neil did it and now a Newcastle side with multiple injuries have done it. Our manager cannot fix it. Our players can’t figure out a way around it. That’s why you’re seeing Maddison becoming petulant. He’s frustrated. He’s lucky he hasn’t been sent off yet.

It’s not working at spurs and I do not back the board to supply the players we need to fix it. That’s why I think ange will be gone next season. It’s not what I want but it’s what history has taught me.

Bookmark it and we will see.
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Much will depend on the summer, getting the right players in doesn’t have to be expensive - we just need Ange and Paratici on the same wavelength. Ange has said that our transfer plans are not dependent on CL football, so it sounds to me like he is trusting Paratici rather than trying for huge money signings.

The other important thing is that our style develops over this summer and we have more tricks up our sleeve. Some might say these should have been established earlier but it really has been the most stop start season with a low amount of games - we’ve got points on the board and I think at some point Ange has just decided to ride it out until summer before implementing further. Just my opinion.

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 12 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
Spurs entireback 5 and Sarr and Bisouma and Son cost less than Caicedo and Enzo.

Chelsea got lucky on one buy and over spent massively on everyone else.

Pathetic from the OP to pick on their only decent buy in a billion spent to make some stupid "let that sink in" hindsight wisdom BS post
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I think you missed my point. My comment, at least when I wrote it had nothing to do with Chelsea, it was about us spending so much on an unheralded and under performing player when there were other options.

If Brennan was an U23 player coming through and had played as he has done, would he be anywhere near the first team?

We were never in or linked with Palmer and until the Charity Shield (or whatever it is called) I was not aware of him.

This is not really a dig at our scouting as we have actually had a good year for a change.

If we had bought Palmer, where would he of played?
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In the 22/23 season, Palmer made 14 PL apps for City, 12 as a sub.

He managed 1 assist 0 goals.

While he clearly had talent, only Chelsea were going to table £42m for a player aged 20 with such little experience and meaningful output.

The guy has thrived, fair play to him and i think he has surprised everyone, including City who look like mugs for letting such an asset go. He's outperformed Grealish (£100m) and Doku (£60m)Mount (£55m) Hojlund (£70m) and all of Arsenals and Liverpool's attacking players.

Johnson had played the whole season for Forest, 8 goals 3 assists, aged 21 and has the pace which is the key attribute that Ange wanted.

Yes, we may have overpaid a bit for the guy but did have the Kane money burning a hole.

BJ has been pretty good this season, has developed as the season has gone on and if he had a quality finisher on the end of his crosses his stats would be looking even better. He has a lot to learn and the team hasnt actually been functioning too well to give him the chances and the space to work in.

Any "let that sink in" thread is just childish rubbish IMO.

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour ago
Who on earth is Brennan Johnson
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You probably don’t know him Rusty, he never played for Pompey
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League One Champions Pompey to you son...or at least they will be today

so much more successful than Spurs
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sure son, sure

One thing we can all agree on is they deserve better fans than the likes of you

posted on 16/4/24

Maybe they should have let Palmer develop and save the 100m on Grealish?

The golden boot is a little meaningless when you count penalties.

UTV

posted on 16/4/24

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posted on 16/4/24

Cole Palmer is a great player who fits in perfectly in this Chelsea team. Brilliant performance but let's remember it was against Everton.He has been ever present in this Chelsea team who now have only the faintest hope of a top 5 finish, and who managed to draw with 2-2 10 man Burnley from a 1-0 lead.

tbh I think I'd rather be Spurs with Johnson that Chelsea with Palmer.

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 11 minutes ago
Cole Palmer is a great player who fits in perfectly in this Chelsea team. Brilliant performance but let's remember it was against Everton.He has been ever present in this Chelsea team who now have only the faintest hope of a top 5 finish, and who managed to draw with 2-2 10 man Burnley from a 1-0 lead.

tbh I think I'd rather be Spurs with Johnson that Chelsea with Palmer.
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Even after shipping 6 goals last night, Everton's goals against is better than Villa Spurs Newcastle West Ham Chelsea BHA Wolves Fulham Bournemouth Palace Brentford Forest Luton Sheff Utd and Burnley, and equal with Man Utds. Basically 4th best in the league!

"Its just Everton" doesnt really stack up. That first goal was sublime, megging the highly rated Braithwaite in the process

posted on 16/4/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 11 minutes ago
Cole Palmer is a great player who fits in perfectly in this Chelsea team. Brilliant performance but let's remember it was against Everton.He has been ever present in this Chelsea team who now have only the faintest hope of a top 5 finish, and who managed to draw with 2-2 10 man Burnley from a 1-0 lead.

tbh I think I'd rather be Spurs with Johnson that Chelsea with Palmer.
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Even after shipping 6 goals last night, Everton's goals against is better than Villa Spurs Newcastle West Ham Chelsea BHA Wolves Fulham Bournemouth Palace Brentford Forest Luton Sheff Utd and Burnley, and equal with Man Utds. Basically 4th best in the league!

"Its just Everton" doesnt really stack up. That first goal was sublime, megging the highly rated Braithwaite in the process
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Everton don’t really play football, they just run loads and clog, every now and again the ball falls to DCL in a decent position and he gets them a goal.

They are the most boring, dreary and outright depressing team in the league and 90% of their fans would agree with that

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