Another manager may have spent the £400m better for starters.
Antony? Worst signing in the history of the PL.
Casemiro? Shocking signing. Can't run. Can't pass. Here for a payday.
Hojlund? He's got talent but he's a million miles off being ready for this responsibility.
Malacia? Has he died? Not played since last May.
Onana? Lots of ups and downs.
Martinez? Missed more games than he's played.
Mount? Missed a lot more games than he's played.
Amrabat? Why was he so keen?
Weghorst? Laughable.
He's been given freedom to buy his own players and made things worse.
From most accounts he's been part of the poor recruitment since he took over. The side still doesn't have an obvious direction/style of play he's trying to move toward either.
Whether someone else would or wouldn't have got better results who knows, results have probably been better than the recruitment and squad progression side of things.
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3rd place finish
League Cup win
Beaten by City in FA Cup final
Qualified for FA Cup final again.
He hasn’t done all that bad considering everything he has hadt to contend with.
Injuries have played a big part and hindered the managers ability to play how he would like.
A manager shouldn’t be making transfer decisions, this is on the club for having this stupid set up. We’ll have the same issues as long as the club are set up like this (which they at least seem to be fixing).
But saying that the football hasn’t been good enough and we should still be seeing more from the manager.
He doesn’t really deserve to stay on because he hasn’t shown signs he has the answers or even plays an entertaining style of football which most fans want. But until the club set up the people behind the scenes and have an actual philosophy in place in terms of what they want from a manager and the type of players needed for that then sacking him doesn’t really fix things. Hopefully that can all be put in place within the next year and we can move on from then and bring in the correct manager.
I’m almost not convinced he has ‘had the freedom to sign who he wants’
All managers have a say on transfer targets. The problem is, have the club had suitable alternative targets when discussing what the manager feels the squad needs?
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Injuries have played a big part and hindered the managers ability to play how he would like.
A manager shouldn’t be making transfer decisions, this is on the club for having this stupid set up. We’ll have the same issues as long as the club are set up like this (which they at least seem to be fixing).
But saying that the football hasn’t been good enough and we should still be seeing more from the manager.
He doesn’t really deserve to stay on because he hasn’t shown signs he has the answers or even plays an entertaining style of football which most fans want. But until the club set up the people behind the scenes and have an actual philosophy in place in terms of what they want from a manager and the type of players needed for that then sacking him doesn’t really fix things. Hopefully that can all be put in place within the next year and we can move on from then and bring in the correct manager.
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This.
He’s not shown enough but getting rid isn’t going to cure anything.
United are in an enviable position, in that they literally can't do any worse than the bald fraud.
Mark Robins could set you up better.
If we got Pep in, handed him this squad and £200m, he would struggle to challenge.
The club should take 6-12 months to get their people in and get a plan in place before any new permanent manager is considered.
In some cases, yes.
The situation at the club is the root cause of the problem and until that is fixed, nothing will change.
Yesterday was a strange one.
His decisions led to the problems, but surely none of us would expect well paid PL professionals to let him down so badly.
Are we really so reliant on Mainoo that we can't cope without him for 20 minutes, 3-0 up against Coventry?
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
The club should take 6-12 months to get their people in and get a plan in place before any new permanent manager is considered.
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So, you want him gone, just not yet?
What if Ineos already have a clear plan in place? May as well just get rid, right?
Would you have Ange Postecoglou?
He's had a very different start to ETH. Signings generally good, plus a clear, attacking way he wants to the side to play.
Might be a bit naive with the playing style although going from Mourinho and Conte to attack focussed football was always going to come be a bumpy road.
I didn't watch the game yesterday but my United supporting mate was going mental at him for taking off the likes of Mainoo and Garnacho, but I don't see how you can blame him for that.
If you can't give a rest to your better players when you're 3-0 up v a Championship side, then when can you?
I really like Ange, wants to play entertaining football and also seems like a good bloke with the right kind of ego. Maybe his style is too naive though to compete at the top, he’s also arguably got more funds at Spurs than he would with us currently.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
The club should take 6-12 months to get their people in and get a plan in place before any new permanent manager is considered.
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So, you want him gone, just not yet?
What if Ineos already have a clear plan in place? May as well just get rid, right?
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No, I want them to take time and make the decision then.
If Ineos have a plan re the manager, why would they need Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox?
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Would you have Ange Postecoglou?
He's had a very different start to ETH. Signings generally good, plus a clear, attacking way he wants to the side to play.
Might be a bit naive with the playing style although going from Mourinho and Conte to attack focussed football was always going to come be a bumpy road.
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The main thing Spurs did this summer was get their recruitment bang on. Brought in 4 first 11 players, and all 4 have been brilliant.
That, for us, is the biggest thing which needs fixing. Until it is, every manager who comes in will hit a ceiling.
Re. ETH, he doesn't deserve another season. Only thing that may end up saving him is a lack of other options, and the new leadership not completely having their feet under the table yet.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
Another manager may have spent the £400m better for starters.
Antony? Worst signing in the history of the PL.
Casemiro? Shocking signing. Can't run. Can't pass. Here for a payday.
Hojlund? He's got talent but he's a million miles off being ready for this responsibility.
Malacia? Has he died? Not played since last May.
Onana? Lots of ups and downs.
Martinez? Missed more games than he's played.
Mount? Missed a lot more games than he's played.
Amrabat? Why was he so keen?
Weghorst? Laughable.
He's been given freedom to buy his own players and made things worse.
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Well put.
Rasmus in particular I feel a tad overrated by some of our fans. Antony Martial at the same age as Rasmus gave me way more excitement.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 24 minutes ago
3rd place finish
League Cup win
Beaten by City in FA Cup final
Qualified for FA Cup final again.
He hasn’t done all that bad considering everything he has hadt to contend with.
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The runs we had to the finals last season were an absolute joke. We got 10 home ties out of 10 and the best team we faced was Aston Villa reserves until we played Newcastle and City in the finals.
These stats paint a much better picture than what actually happened. Had we had some more difficult cup draws we'd have been out most likely. That's the luck you need.
He's gone anyway. He won't be getting another season. He looks like a man who is always knows his fate.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
The club should take 6-12 months to get their people in and get a plan in place before any new permanent manager is considered.
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So, you want him gone, just not yet?
What if Ineos already have a clear plan in place? May as well just get rid, right?
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No, I want them to take time and make the decision then.
If Ineos have a plan re the manager, why would they need Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox?
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I think you're incredibly naive if you don't think there's been conversations with both even though they haven't officially started yet. It happens in every club. Gardening leave can be exploited by phone calls and Teams calls massively. It probably goes on everywhere in the business world not just in the football world. Incoming CEO's will get the heads up on matters for sure.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
I really like Ange, wants to play entertaining football and also seems like a good bloke with the right kind of ego. Maybe his style is too naive though to compete at the top, he’s also arguably got more funds at Spurs than he would with us currently.
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That would be really surprising if he had more funds. I guess Spurs are less likely to fall foul of FFP then?
United need a major clear out of the high earners who aren't contributing I guess. Then they don't have much in the way of sellable assets.
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Would you have Ange Postecoglou?
He's had a very different start to ETH. Signings generally good, plus a clear, attacking way he wants to the side to play.
Might be a bit naive with the playing style although going from Mourinho and Conte to attack focussed football was always going to come be a bumpy road.
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The main thing Spurs did this summer was get their recruitment bang on. Brought in 4 first 11 players, and all 4 have been brilliant.
That, for us, is the biggest thing which needs fixing. Until it is, every manager who comes in will hit a ceiling.
Re. ETH, he doesn't deserve another season. Only thing that may end up saving him is a lack of other options, and the new leadership not completely having their feet under the table yet.
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Would be interesting to know how much involvement Ange had in those signings (remember seeing an interview with Madison saying he was talked into the signing by the manager but that doesn't necessarily mean he picked him out to start with).
Agree it's United's biggest weakness and obviously well reported there's a lack of direction there generally.
Saka
Obviously we make more money as a brand but being run so badly, giving out stupid contracts, not having many sellable assets and messing up in Europe has f-cked up our FFP. Spurs are the opposite (although looks like they’ll miss out on the CL) and I think they can spend big this summer (if Levy isn’t a tight c-nt).
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Would you have Ange Postecoglou?
He's had a very different start to ETH. Signings generally good, plus a clear, attacking way he wants to the side to play.
Might be a bit naive with the playing style although going from Mourinho and Conte to attack focussed football was always going to come be a bumpy road.
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The main thing Spurs did this summer was get their recruitment bang on. Brought in 4 first 11 players, and all 4 have been brilliant.
That, for us, is the biggest thing which needs fixing. Until it is, every manager who comes in will hit a ceiling.
Re. ETH, he doesn't deserve another season. Only thing that may end up saving him is a lack of other options, and the new leadership not completely having their feet under the table yet.
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Would be interesting to know how much involvement Ange had in those signings (remember seeing an interview with Madison saying he was talked into the signing by the manager but that doesn't necessarily mean he picked him out to start with).
Agree it's United's biggest weakness and obviously well reported there's a lack of direction there generally.
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Probably not much - I'd be very surprised if Ange had in depth knowledge of Vicario and VdV, and Udogie I think was agreed before he got there.
That's the way it should be though - the manager of course needs some say but their influence in actually identifying targets should be limited.
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
I really like Ange, wants to play entertaining football and also seems like a good bloke with the right kind of ego. Maybe his style is too naive though to compete at the top, he’s also arguably got more funds at Spurs than he would with us currently.
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That would be really surprising if he had more funds. I guess Spurs are less likely to fall foul of FFP then?
United need a major clear out of the high earners who aren't contributing I guess. Then they don't have much in the way of sellable assets.
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Varane, Sancho, Rashford, Martial, maybe Greenwood. That would boost the transfer kitty sigmificantly.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
The club should take 6-12 months to get their people in and get a plan in place before any new permanent manager is considered.
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So, you want him gone, just not yet?
What if Ineos already have a clear plan in place? May as well just get rid, right?
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No, I want them to take time and make the decision then.
If Ineos have a plan re the manager, why would they need Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox?
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As has been said above, they are part of the plan and will already be considering what is required.
Anyway, you always take a contrary stance ... I am sure you next incarnation will want ETH out.
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posted on 22/4/24
Another manager may have spent the £400m better for starters.
Antony? Worst signing in the history of the PL.
Casemiro? Shocking signing. Can't run. Can't pass. Here for a payday.
Hojlund? He's got talent but he's a million miles off being ready for this responsibility.
Malacia? Has he died? Not played since last May.
Onana? Lots of ups and downs.
Martinez? Missed more games than he's played.
Mount? Missed a lot more games than he's played.
Amrabat? Why was he so keen?
Weghorst? Laughable.
He's been given freedom to buy his own players and made things worse.
posted on 22/4/24
From most accounts he's been part of the poor recruitment since he took over. The side still doesn't have an obvious direction/style of play he's trying to move toward either.
Whether someone else would or wouldn't have got better results who knows, results have probably been better than the recruitment and squad progression side of things.
posted on 22/4/24
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posted on 22/4/24
3rd place finish
League Cup win
Beaten by City in FA Cup final
Qualified for FA Cup final again.
He hasn’t done all that bad considering everything he has hadt to contend with.
posted on 22/4/24
Injuries have played a big part and hindered the managers ability to play how he would like.
A manager shouldn’t be making transfer decisions, this is on the club for having this stupid set up. We’ll have the same issues as long as the club are set up like this (which they at least seem to be fixing).
But saying that the football hasn’t been good enough and we should still be seeing more from the manager.
He doesn’t really deserve to stay on because he hasn’t shown signs he has the answers or even plays an entertaining style of football which most fans want. But until the club set up the people behind the scenes and have an actual philosophy in place in terms of what they want from a manager and the type of players needed for that then sacking him doesn’t really fix things. Hopefully that can all be put in place within the next year and we can move on from then and bring in the correct manager.
posted on 22/4/24
I’m almost not convinced he has ‘had the freedom to sign who he wants’
All managers have a say on transfer targets. The problem is, have the club had suitable alternative targets when discussing what the manager feels the squad needs?
posted on 22/4/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Injuries have played a big part and hindered the managers ability to play how he would like.
A manager shouldn’t be making transfer decisions, this is on the club for having this stupid set up. We’ll have the same issues as long as the club are set up like this (which they at least seem to be fixing).
But saying that the football hasn’t been good enough and we should still be seeing more from the manager.
He doesn’t really deserve to stay on because he hasn’t shown signs he has the answers or even plays an entertaining style of football which most fans want. But until the club set up the people behind the scenes and have an actual philosophy in place in terms of what they want from a manager and the type of players needed for that then sacking him doesn’t really fix things. Hopefully that can all be put in place within the next year and we can move on from then and bring in the correct manager.
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This.
He’s not shown enough but getting rid isn’t going to cure anything.
posted on 22/4/24
United are in an enviable position, in that they literally can't do any worse than the bald fraud.
Mark Robins could set you up better.
posted on 22/4/24
If we got Pep in, handed him this squad and £200m, he would struggle to challenge.
The club should take 6-12 months to get their people in and get a plan in place before any new permanent manager is considered.
posted on 22/4/24
In some cases, yes.
The situation at the club is the root cause of the problem and until that is fixed, nothing will change.
Yesterday was a strange one.
His decisions led to the problems, but surely none of us would expect well paid PL professionals to let him down so badly.
Are we really so reliant on Mainoo that we can't cope without him for 20 minutes, 3-0 up against Coventry?
posted on 22/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
The club should take 6-12 months to get their people in and get a plan in place before any new permanent manager is considered.
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So, you want him gone, just not yet?
What if Ineos already have a clear plan in place? May as well just get rid, right?
posted on 22/4/24
Would you have Ange Postecoglou?
He's had a very different start to ETH. Signings generally good, plus a clear, attacking way he wants to the side to play.
Might be a bit naive with the playing style although going from Mourinho and Conte to attack focussed football was always going to come be a bumpy road.
posted on 22/4/24
I didn't watch the game yesterday but my United supporting mate was going mental at him for taking off the likes of Mainoo and Garnacho, but I don't see how you can blame him for that.
If you can't give a rest to your better players when you're 3-0 up v a Championship side, then when can you?
posted on 22/4/24
I really like Ange, wants to play entertaining football and also seems like a good bloke with the right kind of ego. Maybe his style is too naive though to compete at the top, he’s also arguably got more funds at Spurs than he would with us currently.
posted on 22/4/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
The club should take 6-12 months to get their people in and get a plan in place before any new permanent manager is considered.
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So, you want him gone, just not yet?
What if Ineos already have a clear plan in place? May as well just get rid, right?
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No, I want them to take time and make the decision then.
If Ineos have a plan re the manager, why would they need Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox?
posted on 22/4/24
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Would you have Ange Postecoglou?
He's had a very different start to ETH. Signings generally good, plus a clear, attacking way he wants to the side to play.
Might be a bit naive with the playing style although going from Mourinho and Conte to attack focussed football was always going to come be a bumpy road.
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The main thing Spurs did this summer was get their recruitment bang on. Brought in 4 first 11 players, and all 4 have been brilliant.
That, for us, is the biggest thing which needs fixing. Until it is, every manager who comes in will hit a ceiling.
Re. ETH, he doesn't deserve another season. Only thing that may end up saving him is a lack of other options, and the new leadership not completely having their feet under the table yet.
posted on 22/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
Another manager may have spent the £400m better for starters.
Antony? Worst signing in the history of the PL.
Casemiro? Shocking signing. Can't run. Can't pass. Here for a payday.
Hojlund? He's got talent but he's a million miles off being ready for this responsibility.
Malacia? Has he died? Not played since last May.
Onana? Lots of ups and downs.
Martinez? Missed more games than he's played.
Mount? Missed a lot more games than he's played.
Amrabat? Why was he so keen?
Weghorst? Laughable.
He's been given freedom to buy his own players and made things worse.
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Well put.
Rasmus in particular I feel a tad overrated by some of our fans. Antony Martial at the same age as Rasmus gave me way more excitement.
posted on 22/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 24 minutes ago
3rd place finish
League Cup win
Beaten by City in FA Cup final
Qualified for FA Cup final again.
He hasn’t done all that bad considering everything he has hadt to contend with.
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The runs we had to the finals last season were an absolute joke. We got 10 home ties out of 10 and the best team we faced was Aston Villa reserves until we played Newcastle and City in the finals.
These stats paint a much better picture than what actually happened. Had we had some more difficult cup draws we'd have been out most likely. That's the luck you need.
He's gone anyway. He won't be getting another season. He looks like a man who is always knows his fate.
posted on 22/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
The club should take 6-12 months to get their people in and get a plan in place before any new permanent manager is considered.
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So, you want him gone, just not yet?
What if Ineos already have a clear plan in place? May as well just get rid, right?
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No, I want them to take time and make the decision then.
If Ineos have a plan re the manager, why would they need Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox?
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I think you're incredibly naive if you don't think there's been conversations with both even though they haven't officially started yet. It happens in every club. Gardening leave can be exploited by phone calls and Teams calls massively. It probably goes on everywhere in the business world not just in the football world. Incoming CEO's will get the heads up on matters for sure.
posted on 22/4/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
I really like Ange, wants to play entertaining football and also seems like a good bloke with the right kind of ego. Maybe his style is too naive though to compete at the top, he’s also arguably got more funds at Spurs than he would with us currently.
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That would be really surprising if he had more funds. I guess Spurs are less likely to fall foul of FFP then?
United need a major clear out of the high earners who aren't contributing I guess. Then they don't have much in the way of sellable assets.
posted on 22/4/24
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Would you have Ange Postecoglou?
He's had a very different start to ETH. Signings generally good, plus a clear, attacking way he wants to the side to play.
Might be a bit naive with the playing style although going from Mourinho and Conte to attack focussed football was always going to come be a bumpy road.
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The main thing Spurs did this summer was get their recruitment bang on. Brought in 4 first 11 players, and all 4 have been brilliant.
That, for us, is the biggest thing which needs fixing. Until it is, every manager who comes in will hit a ceiling.
Re. ETH, he doesn't deserve another season. Only thing that may end up saving him is a lack of other options, and the new leadership not completely having their feet under the table yet.
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Would be interesting to know how much involvement Ange had in those signings (remember seeing an interview with Madison saying he was talked into the signing by the manager but that doesn't necessarily mean he picked him out to start with).
Agree it's United's biggest weakness and obviously well reported there's a lack of direction there generally.
posted on 22/4/24
Saka
Obviously we make more money as a brand but being run so badly, giving out stupid contracts, not having many sellable assets and messing up in Europe has f-cked up our FFP. Spurs are the opposite (although looks like they’ll miss out on the CL) and I think they can spend big this summer (if Levy isn’t a tight c-nt).
posted on 22/4/24
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Would you have Ange Postecoglou?
He's had a very different start to ETH. Signings generally good, plus a clear, attacking way he wants to the side to play.
Might be a bit naive with the playing style although going from Mourinho and Conte to attack focussed football was always going to come be a bumpy road.
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The main thing Spurs did this summer was get their recruitment bang on. Brought in 4 first 11 players, and all 4 have been brilliant.
That, for us, is the biggest thing which needs fixing. Until it is, every manager who comes in will hit a ceiling.
Re. ETH, he doesn't deserve another season. Only thing that may end up saving him is a lack of other options, and the new leadership not completely having their feet under the table yet.
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Would be interesting to know how much involvement Ange had in those signings (remember seeing an interview with Madison saying he was talked into the signing by the manager but that doesn't necessarily mean he picked him out to start with).
Agree it's United's biggest weakness and obviously well reported there's a lack of direction there generally.
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Probably not much - I'd be very surprised if Ange had in depth knowledge of Vicario and VdV, and Udogie I think was agreed before he got there.
That's the way it should be though - the manager of course needs some say but their influence in actually identifying targets should be limited.
posted on 22/4/24
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
I really like Ange, wants to play entertaining football and also seems like a good bloke with the right kind of ego. Maybe his style is too naive though to compete at the top, he’s also arguably got more funds at Spurs than he would with us currently.
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That would be really surprising if he had more funds. I guess Spurs are less likely to fall foul of FFP then?
United need a major clear out of the high earners who aren't contributing I guess. Then they don't have much in the way of sellable assets.
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Varane, Sancho, Rashford, Martial, maybe Greenwood. That would boost the transfer kitty sigmificantly.
posted on 22/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
The club should take 6-12 months to get their people in and get a plan in place before any new permanent manager is considered.
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So, you want him gone, just not yet?
What if Ineos already have a clear plan in place? May as well just get rid, right?
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No, I want them to take time and make the decision then.
If Ineos have a plan re the manager, why would they need Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox?
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As has been said above, they are part of the plan and will already be considering what is required.
Anyway, you always take a contrary stance ... I am sure you next incarnation will want ETH out.
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