Yes, a good defensive coach and work on set pieces too.
Set pieces are a huge problem
Said it before and I’ll say it again - he’s basically the Aussie Bielsa
Really hoping Ange’s arrogance doesn’t do for him.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 10 minutes ago
Really hoping Ange’s arrogance doesn’t do for him.
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I think it will. Remember after the Chelsea game he said “we’d do the same if we’re down to 5 men, mate”. I kind of admire how much he believes in his system, I’m just not sure it can work in the PL
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 10 minutes ago
Really hoping Ange’s arrogance doesn’t do for him.
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I think it will. Remember after the Chelsea game he said “we’d do the same if we’re down to 5 men, mate”. I kind of admire how much he believes in his system, I’m just not sure it can work in the PL
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Yes. I do remember.
Watches your game yesterday and it is obvious you hqve very aimilar weaknesses as lfc. Rubbish defending set pieces and gettinf done on lofted balls on the wings. It's the price you have to pay for all out attacking. To win the big prizes there has to be Steel in defence. Not sure if Ange can do it but next season we will see if he adapts.
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 14 seconds ago
Watches your game yesterday and it is obvious you hqve very aimilar weaknesses as lfc. Rubbish defending set pieces and gettinf done on lofted balls on the wings. It's the price you have to pay for all out attacking. To win the big prizes there has to be Steel in defence. Not sure if Ange can do it but next season we will see if he adapts.
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It’s been like this for 23 games now. If he was gonna adapt he’d have done it already. But maybe he’ll look at adapting the style over the summer. Here’s hoping
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
The goals we concede are honestly school level. I don't mean the corners, I mean time and time again being caught out 1 on 1 or striker just having a defenders to beat with our defence running back. That just isn't good enough at the level.
No issues with a high line but you need to press the better further up the pitch for it to work. You also can't do it with 2 CBs and no one in LB or RB as that space is exposed.
It's criminal how we defend. Ange has VDV and Romero who are quality players yet his set up means we guarantee to ship goals. Clean sheets? Forget those, we are awful and it's concerning Ange doesn't seem to work on it or have a plan. What is the plan? What is it Ange constantly coaches. Because whatever it is, it's making us worse - not better.
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
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Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
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Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
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Off course it’s on Davies it was awful defending.
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
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Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
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Off course it’s on Davies it was awful defending.
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Try sprinting on one direction and then needing to stop and go the other way. It's momentum that stops you doing it quickly.
If Ange didn't have is defending like kids then Davies isn't in that position.. Isn't Ange's job to coach the team in those situations if that's what he insists on?
I blame Ange, you can blame Davies. Difference of opinion doesn't hurt anyone.
Ange finished mid-table in his first season in Japan, mainly due to leaking cheap goals. The team scored plenty but were weak at the back and paid for it. The next season he ironed out the problems and won the league, he needs more players in better suited to his system.
He deserves next season, if we do not improve then it goes without saying he will be gone. Our current midfield and front players are not good enough for the system right now.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
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Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
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Off course it’s on Davies it was awful defending.
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Try sprinting on one direction and then needing to stop and go the other way. It's momentum that stops you doing it quickly.
If Ange didn't have is defending like kids then Davies isn't in that position.. Isn't Ange's job to coach the team in those situations if that's what he insists on?
I blame Ange, you can blame Davies. Difference of opinion doesn't hurt anyone.
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Every top club have their defending that high. We had the ball over by the arsenal 6 yard box where we should’ve had a pen.
Davies over committed and facked up. We had a 2 on 1 all he needed to do was show him down the line. Amateur by him
Ange is not a stupid man. He knows what needs to be done. I just hope he has the ability in this league, and that he gets the players to do it
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posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
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Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
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Off course it’s on Davies it was awful defending.
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Try sprinting on one direction and then needing to stop and go the other way. It's momentum that stops you doing it quickly.
If Ange didn't have is defending like kids then Davies isn't in that position.. Isn't Ange's job to coach the team in those situations if that's what he insists on?
I blame Ange, you can blame Davies. Difference of opinion doesn't hurt anyone.
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Every top club have their defending that high. We had the ball over by the arsenal 6 yard box where we should’ve had a pen.
Davies over committed and facked up. We had a 2 on 1 all he needed to do was show him down the line. Amateur by him
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That's not my opinion of it at all, but as I say let's agree to disagree.
Davies didn't see Saka until late, hence why he was playing catch up. You could argue Micky could have helped him with speed once Saka cut in on his left but he was looking over his shoulder at other Woowich player.
No point over analysing that particular goal- we’ve seen similar so many times and the sheer number we concede, it’s obvious to anyone it’s more on the tactics than the players
Romero and VDV are close to world class
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comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
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Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
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Off course it’s on Davies it was awful defending.
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Try sprinting on one direction and then needing to stop and go the other way. It's momentum that stops you doing it quickly.
If Ange didn't have is defending like kids then Davies isn't in that position.. Isn't Ange's job to coach the team in those situations if that's what he insists on?
I blame Ange, you can blame Davies. Difference of opinion doesn't hurt anyone.
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Every top club have their defending that high. We had the ball over by the arsenal 6 yard box where we should’ve had a pen.
Davies over committed and facked up. We had a 2 on 1 all he needed to do was show him down the line. Amateur by him
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That's not my opinion of it at all, but as I say let's agree to disagree.
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I’ll agree you’re completely wrong
comment by Luka Brasi 🔫 The Sons of Ange 'If we lose I don't care' (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Davies didn't see Saka until late, hence why he was playing catch up. You could argue Micky could have helped him with speed once Saka cut in on his left but he was looking over his shoulder at other Woowich player.
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That makes it even worse if he doesn’t know where Saka is.
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi 🔫 The Sons of Ange 'If we lose I don't care' (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Davies didn't see Saka until late, hence why he was playing catch up. You could argue Micky could have helped him with speed once Saka cut in on his left but he was looking over his shoulder at other Woowich player.
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That makes it even worse if he doesn’t know where Saka is.
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How can it be the players?? This happens wether it’s vdv, Romero, drag, doggie, Emerson, Porro…..etc etc
It’s clearly the defensive tactics are all wrong
Have a look at Davies again for goal. Ball watching.
There were lots of things that got right up my rathole about yesterdays performance but top of the list (by far) was the ease with which they got 3 up.
Had they come to our back yard and played us off the park I could have begrudgingly lived with it but the fact they barely got out of 2nd gear and didn't play well at all yet still walked away with the points is totally unacceptable.
Are we actually working on how to defend set pieces?
As a side issue another perfectly good goal ruled out by VAR, there is no way that punishing attacking footie is the right way forward. I had hoped the Coventry toe nail offside would lead to more of an outcry about this but unfortunately it looks like it won't change going into next season.
If it's so close that they feel the need to draw lines then it's onside. The wait for the decision is not what the spontaneity of sport is all about.
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posted on 29/4/24
Yes, a good defensive coach and work on set pieces too.
posted on 29/4/24
Set pieces are a huge problem
posted on 29/4/24
Said it before and I’ll say it again - he’s basically the Aussie Bielsa
posted on 29/4/24
Really hoping Ange’s arrogance doesn’t do for him.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 10 minutes ago
Really hoping Ange’s arrogance doesn’t do for him.
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I think it will. Remember after the Chelsea game he said “we’d do the same if we’re down to 5 men, mate”. I kind of admire how much he believes in his system, I’m just not sure it can work in the PL
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 10 minutes ago
Really hoping Ange’s arrogance doesn’t do for him.
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I think it will. Remember after the Chelsea game he said “we’d do the same if we’re down to 5 men, mate”. I kind of admire how much he believes in his system, I’m just not sure it can work in the PL
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Yes. I do remember.
posted on 29/4/24
Watches your game yesterday and it is obvious you hqve very aimilar weaknesses as lfc. Rubbish defending set pieces and gettinf done on lofted balls on the wings. It's the price you have to pay for all out attacking. To win the big prizes there has to be Steel in defence. Not sure if Ange can do it but next season we will see if he adapts.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 14 seconds ago
Watches your game yesterday and it is obvious you hqve very aimilar weaknesses as lfc. Rubbish defending set pieces and gettinf done on lofted balls on the wings. It's the price you have to pay for all out attacking. To win the big prizes there has to be Steel in defence. Not sure if Ange can do it but next season we will see if he adapts.
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It’s been like this for 23 games now. If he was gonna adapt he’d have done it already. But maybe he’ll look at adapting the style over the summer. Here’s hoping
posted on 29/4/24
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
posted on 29/4/24
The goals we concede are honestly school level. I don't mean the corners, I mean time and time again being caught out 1 on 1 or striker just having a defenders to beat with our defence running back. That just isn't good enough at the level.
No issues with a high line but you need to press the better further up the pitch for it to work. You also can't do it with 2 CBs and no one in LB or RB as that space is exposed.
It's criminal how we defend. Ange has VDV and Romero who are quality players yet his set up means we guarantee to ship goals. Clean sheets? Forget those, we are awful and it's concerning Ange doesn't seem to work on it or have a plan. What is the plan? What is it Ange constantly coaches. Because whatever it is, it's making us worse - not better.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
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Off course it’s on Davies it was awful defending.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Off course it’s on Davies it was awful defending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Try sprinting on one direction and then needing to stop and go the other way. It's momentum that stops you doing it quickly.
If Ange didn't have is defending like kids then Davies isn't in that position.. Isn't Ange's job to coach the team in those situations if that's what he insists on?
I blame Ange, you can blame Davies. Difference of opinion doesn't hurt anyone.
posted on 29/4/24
Ange finished mid-table in his first season in Japan, mainly due to leaking cheap goals. The team scored plenty but were weak at the back and paid for it. The next season he ironed out the problems and won the league, he needs more players in better suited to his system.
He deserves next season, if we do not improve then it goes without saying he will be gone. Our current midfield and front players are not good enough for the system right now.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
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Off course it’s on Davies it was awful defending.
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Try sprinting on one direction and then needing to stop and go the other way. It's momentum that stops you doing it quickly.
If Ange didn't have is defending like kids then Davies isn't in that position.. Isn't Ange's job to coach the team in those situations if that's what he insists on?
I blame Ange, you can blame Davies. Difference of opinion doesn't hurt anyone.
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Every top club have their defending that high. We had the ball over by the arsenal 6 yard box where we should’ve had a pen.
Davies over committed and facked up. We had a 2 on 1 all he needed to do was show him down the line. Amateur by him
posted on 29/4/24
Ange is not a stupid man. He knows what needs to be done. I just hope he has the ability in this league, and that he gets the players to do it
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
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Off course it’s on Davies it was awful defending.
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Try sprinting on one direction and then needing to stop and go the other way. It's momentum that stops you doing it quickly.
If Ange didn't have is defending like kids then Davies isn't in that position.. Isn't Ange's job to coach the team in those situations if that's what he insists on?
I blame Ange, you can blame Davies. Difference of opinion doesn't hurt anyone.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Every top club have their defending that high. We had the ball over by the arsenal 6 yard box where we should’ve had a pen.
Davies over committed and facked up. We had a 2 on 1 all he needed to do was show him down the line. Amateur by him
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That's not my opinion of it at all, but as I say let's agree to disagree.
posted on 29/4/24
Davies didn't see Saka until late, hence why he was playing catch up. You could argue Micky could have helped him with speed once Saka cut in on his left but he was looking over his shoulder at other Woowich player.
posted on 29/4/24
No point over analysing that particular goal- we’ve seen similar so many times and the sheer number we concede, it’s obvious to anyone it’s more on the tactics than the players
Romero and VDV are close to world class
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Sakas goal we still had a 2 v 1 situation and a 6 v 2 on the broader picture.
If Davies didn’t let him on his left which is sakas only move we’d been fine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Davies we sprinting back and Saka used Davies running back towards his own goal as a tool to cut in and it meant Davies had to completely reverse his run.
No way was that goal on Davies. It's on Ange all day long.
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Off course it’s on Davies it was awful defending.
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Try sprinting on one direction and then needing to stop and go the other way. It's momentum that stops you doing it quickly.
If Ange didn't have is defending like kids then Davies isn't in that position.. Isn't Ange's job to coach the team in those situations if that's what he insists on?
I blame Ange, you can blame Davies. Difference of opinion doesn't hurt anyone.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Every top club have their defending that high. We had the ball over by the arsenal 6 yard box where we should’ve had a pen.
Davies over committed and facked up. We had a 2 on 1 all he needed to do was show him down the line. Amateur by him
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That's not my opinion of it at all, but as I say let's agree to disagree.
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I’ll agree you’re completely wrong
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Luka Brasi 🔫 The Sons of Ange 'If we lose I don't care' (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Davies didn't see Saka until late, hence why he was playing catch up. You could argue Micky could have helped him with speed once Saka cut in on his left but he was looking over his shoulder at other Woowich player.
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That makes it even worse if he doesn’t know where Saka is.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi 🔫 The Sons of Ange 'If we lose I don't care' (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Davies didn't see Saka until late, hence why he was playing catch up. You could argue Micky could have helped him with speed once Saka cut in on his left but he was looking over his shoulder at other Woowich player.
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That makes it even worse if he doesn’t know where Saka is.
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posted on 29/4/24
How can it be the players?? This happens wether it’s vdv, Romero, drag, doggie, Emerson, Porro…..etc etc
It’s clearly the defensive tactics are all wrong
posted on 29/4/24
Have a look at Davies again for goal. Ball watching.
posted on 29/4/24
There were lots of things that got right up my rathole about yesterdays performance but top of the list (by far) was the ease with which they got 3 up.
Had they come to our back yard and played us off the park I could have begrudgingly lived with it but the fact they barely got out of 2nd gear and didn't play well at all yet still walked away with the points is totally unacceptable.
Are we actually working on how to defend set pieces?
As a side issue another perfectly good goal ruled out by VAR, there is no way that punishing attacking footie is the right way forward. I had hoped the Coventry toe nail offside would lead to more of an outcry about this but unfortunately it looks like it won't change going into next season.
If it's so close that they feel the need to draw lines then it's onside. The wait for the decision is not what the spontaneity of sport is all about.
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