Indisputable he’s done great but what about Mark Robins the guy who saved Ferguson back in the day.
Fine a fantastic job at Coventry made play off final last year and rebuilt Coventry this year tactically sharp maybe worthy of consideration …..no history of sucking toes!
Jose saw something special in him and decided to bring him to United. Kieran may one day return to United as manager.
He’s gone an absolutely amazing job. Really pleased for him and all of Ipswich Town FC. Very well deserved.
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
I think he deserves a long and successful career so hopefully he avoids Manchester United.
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 7 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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and this ws in them heady days when we finished in the CL places
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
I watched Coventry vs Ipswich last night because (as I've mentioned here before) my dad grew up in Suffolk watching Ipswich. In its own way, this was a higher stakes game for Ipswich than our FA Cup semi-final. Coventry made a spirited effort to push for an equaliser but I have to say, Ipswich did a much better job than United at defending their lead.
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 42 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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He probably got a brighter future in the managerial game than the PE teacher tbf
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
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Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
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Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
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So far it looks as though he is replacing the leadership that oversaw a dysfunctional organisation that has failed to harness the talent of people like McKenna. And the new leadership will be responsible for creating structures that do leverage the knowledge and talent within the organisation, and for replacing those who underperform. My point isn't that we shouldn't be letting people go, but (and I thought I was agreeing with you in saying this) challenging the idea some people have that we basically need to sack everyone and start again.
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posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 42 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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He probably got a brighter future in the managerial game than the PE teacher tbf
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Still salty
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
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Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
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So far it looks as though he is replacing the leadership that oversaw a dysfunctional organisation that has failed to harness the talent of people like McKenna. And the new leadership will be responsible for creating structures that do leverage the knowledge and talent within the organisation, and for replacing those who underperform. My point isn't that we shouldn't be letting people go, but (and I thought I was agreeing with you in saying this) challenging the idea some people have that we basically need to sack everyone and start again.
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Our transfer dealing and system needs an overhaul.
Most of the time we've ended up paying double or triple the value of players over the last few years
comment by Wobble: (U22876)
posted 6 hours, 12 minutes ago
Indisputable he’s done great but what about Mark Robins the guy who saved Ferguson back in the day.
Fine a fantastic job at Coventry made play off final last year and rebuilt Coventry this year tactically sharp maybe worthy of consideration …..no history of sucking toes!
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Robins has been managing since 2007 and not done too much of note.
McKenna is in his first managerial role of a first team.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
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Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
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So far it looks as though he is replacing the leadership that oversaw a dysfunctional organisation that has failed to harness the talent of people like McKenna. And the new leadership will be responsible for creating structures that do leverage the knowledge and talent within the organisation, and for replacing those who underperform. My point isn't that we shouldn't be letting people go, but (and I thought I was agreeing with you in saying this) challenging the idea some people have that we basically need to sack everyone and start again.
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Im agree with you too.
Although despite Eriks success at Ajax, which is why united employed him in the first place and clearly didnt
give him the players and tools required to replicate that
at United, hes done and said enough at United so far for me to think he deserves the sack as well. And buying and bigging up players players like Anthony doesnt help me change my mind.
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
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Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
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So far it looks as though he is replacing the leadership that oversaw a dysfunctional organisation that has failed to harness the talent of people like McKenna. And the new leadership will be responsible for creating structures that do leverage the knowledge and talent within the organisation, and for replacing those who underperform. My point isn't that we shouldn't be letting people go, but (and I thought I was agreeing with you in saying this) challenging the idea some people have that we basically need to sack everyone and start again.
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Our transfer dealing and system needs an overhaul.
Most of the time we've ended up paying double or triple the value of players over the last few years
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Tbf Man United alway have.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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And tbf to Ole hes never blamed that as the reason why it went tats up for him. He always says it was was it was.
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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And tbf to Ole hes never blamed that as the reason why it went tats up for him. He always says it was was it was.
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I don’t think he’s that type of guy to do a Jose on it.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
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Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
The problem Ole really had was the expectation to push on and start winning things. He was never the best tactician and once crowds came back our away record went 📉 and he lost the players who no doubt liked the guy but just didn’t have faith he knew how to manage a club like United to where it should be.
Great caretaker but never a top manager.
Bloodred, I agree with most of that, and certainly that there were fundamental flaws in the team before Ronaldo signed. However, I do think that signing was the single biggest factor that destabilised our season and disrupted the fragile momentum we looked to be building. Sancho might never have been the player we hoped he'd be, but in signing Ronaldo I think we went from having a relatively coherent plan in which he could be a playmaker complemented by pacey runners to one in which we needed to surround the static Ronaldo with runners. Sancho's profile no longer really made sense in a side where Ronaldo and Bruno were first choice. If we hadn't signed Ronaldo, perhaps we'd have bought an alternative centre forward who complemented Sancho's game. Perhaps we'd have played Rashford through the middle more often - another player whose potential was capped by the arrival of Ronaldo. Then there's the wider impact on team togetherness and motivation. This is hard to measure, but it was predicted that the ego would not be great for the dressing room, and the apparent togetherness and positivity of the previous season certainly fell away quickly.
Of course a team with a stronger foundation, better players, more tactical clarity, fewer weak points, would have absorbed these issues more effectively. Ronaldo wasn't responsible for that underlying vulnerability. But I think his arrival more than anything was the crisis that broke the fragile structure.
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
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Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
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Well of course it wasn't at the time. But at the time we didn't know what was about to happen with Greenwood, or that Rashford's form would fall off a cliff, or that Sancho wasn't that good, or that a number of key players would be spending so much time injured.
All of these things we completely independent of Ronaldo. I'm inclined to actually think we might have actually ended up worse off that season without him by the end of it.
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posted on 1/5/24
Indisputable he’s done great but what about Mark Robins the guy who saved Ferguson back in the day.
Fine a fantastic job at Coventry made play off final last year and rebuilt Coventry this year tactically sharp maybe worthy of consideration …..no history of sucking toes!
posted on 1/5/24
Jose saw something special in him and decided to bring him to United. Kieran may one day return to United as manager.
posted on 1/5/24
He’s gone an absolutely amazing job. Really pleased for him and all of Ipswich Town FC. Very well deserved.
posted on 1/5/24
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
posted on 1/5/24
I think he deserves a long and successful career so hopefully he avoids Manchester United.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 7 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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and this ws in them heady days when we finished in the CL places
posted on 1/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
posted on 1/5/24
I watched Coventry vs Ipswich last night because (as I've mentioned here before) my dad grew up in Suffolk watching Ipswich. In its own way, this was a higher stakes game for Ipswich than our FA Cup semi-final. Coventry made a spirited effort to push for an equaliser but I have to say, Ipswich did a much better job than United at defending their lead.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 42 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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He probably got a brighter future in the managerial game than the PE teacher tbf
posted on 1/5/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
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Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
posted on 1/5/24
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
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So far it looks as though he is replacing the leadership that oversaw a dysfunctional organisation that has failed to harness the talent of people like McKenna. And the new leadership will be responsible for creating structures that do leverage the knowledge and talent within the organisation, and for replacing those who underperform. My point isn't that we shouldn't be letting people go, but (and I thought I was agreeing with you in saying this) challenging the idea some people have that we basically need to sack everyone and start again.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by Robb Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 42 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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He probably got a brighter future in the managerial game than the PE teacher tbf
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Still salty
posted on 1/5/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
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Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
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So far it looks as though he is replacing the leadership that oversaw a dysfunctional organisation that has failed to harness the talent of people like McKenna. And the new leadership will be responsible for creating structures that do leverage the knowledge and talent within the organisation, and for replacing those who underperform. My point isn't that we shouldn't be letting people go, but (and I thought I was agreeing with you in saying this) challenging the idea some people have that we basically need to sack everyone and start again.
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Our transfer dealing and system needs an overhaul.
Most of the time we've ended up paying double or triple the value of players over the last few years
posted on 1/5/24
comment by Wobble: (U22876)
posted 6 hours, 12 minutes ago
Indisputable he’s done great but what about Mark Robins the guy who saved Ferguson back in the day.
Fine a fantastic job at Coventry made play off final last year and rebuilt Coventry this year tactically sharp maybe worthy of consideration …..no history of sucking toes!
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Robins has been managing since 2007 and not done too much of note.
McKenna is in his first managerial role of a first team.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
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Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
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So far it looks as though he is replacing the leadership that oversaw a dysfunctional organisation that has failed to harness the talent of people like McKenna. And the new leadership will be responsible for creating structures that do leverage the knowledge and talent within the organisation, and for replacing those who underperform. My point isn't that we shouldn't be letting people go, but (and I thought I was agreeing with you in saying this) challenging the idea some people have that we basically need to sack everyone and start again.
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Im agree with you too.
Although despite Eriks success at Ajax, which is why united employed him in the first place and clearly didnt
give him the players and tools required to replicate that
at United, hes done and said enough at United so far for me to think he deserves the sack as well. And buying and bigging up players players like Anthony doesnt help me change my mind.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 26 minutes ago
he was a PE teacher's assistant according to many on here at United. Putting the cones out.
LOL
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Yep. The lesson from that we can apply to today's situation is that it's foolish to assume that because the organisation is underperforming, you are better off sacking everyone and starting again.
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Dont tell that to Jim. He purxhased an underforming organisiation and is currently sacking and replacing all the existing and unperforming staff he inherited and starting again with his own crowd. Top to bottom. Which is actually probably a very good idea.
And its looking more like the current team manager is possibly the only one that might survive.
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So far it looks as though he is replacing the leadership that oversaw a dysfunctional organisation that has failed to harness the talent of people like McKenna. And the new leadership will be responsible for creating structures that do leverage the knowledge and talent within the organisation, and for replacing those who underperform. My point isn't that we shouldn't be letting people go, but (and I thought I was agreeing with you in saying this) challenging the idea some people have that we basically need to sack everyone and start again.
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Our transfer dealing and system needs an overhaul.
Most of the time we've ended up paying double or triple the value of players over the last few years
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Tbf Man United alway have.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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And tbf to Ole hes never blamed that as the reason why it went tats up for him. He always says it was was it was.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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And tbf to Ole hes never blamed that as the reason why it went tats up for him. He always says it was was it was.
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I don’t think he’s that type of guy to do a Jose on it.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
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Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
posted on 1/5/24
The problem Ole really had was the expectation to push on and start winning things. He was never the best tactician and once crowds came back our away record went 📉 and he lost the players who no doubt liked the guy but just didn’t have faith he knew how to manage a club like United to where it should be.
Great caretaker but never a top manager.
posted on 1/5/24
Bloodred, I agree with most of that, and certainly that there were fundamental flaws in the team before Ronaldo signed. However, I do think that signing was the single biggest factor that destabilised our season and disrupted the fragile momentum we looked to be building. Sancho might never have been the player we hoped he'd be, but in signing Ronaldo I think we went from having a relatively coherent plan in which he could be a playmaker complemented by pacey runners to one in which we needed to surround the static Ronaldo with runners. Sancho's profile no longer really made sense in a side where Ronaldo and Bruno were first choice. If we hadn't signed Ronaldo, perhaps we'd have bought an alternative centre forward who complemented Sancho's game. Perhaps we'd have played Rashford through the middle more often - another player whose potential was capped by the arrival of Ronaldo. Then there's the wider impact on team togetherness and motivation. This is hard to measure, but it was predicted that the ego would not be great for the dressing room, and the apparent togetherness and positivity of the previous season certainly fell away quickly.
Of course a team with a stronger foundation, better players, more tactical clarity, fewer weak points, would have absorbed these issues more effectively. Ronaldo wasn't responsible for that underlying vulnerability. But I think his arrival more than anything was the crisis that broke the fragile structure.
posted on 1/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Ole was better than ETH. Don't let the easiest run ever to a Carabao Cup trophy fool you.
More goals scored, back to back top 3 finishes and one penalty kick away from winning a more important trophy than the league cup.
I don't think I'd bring him back as I'd rather try something else. I'd have Ole over ETH though.
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Hard to disagree. He may never have been the man to get us back to the top but he was slowly building something.
The club facked him by getting Ronaldo instead of a midfielder.
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The Ronaldo signing wasn't a good one by any means, but let's not re-write history here. The only negative knock on effect signing Ronaldo has had is that it probably stopped us from signing a CF in the summer of 22. But our problems obviously run far deeper.
If we hadn't have signed Ronaldo that season, Martial and Cavani would still have spent half the season injured. Greenwood would still have been a rapeey cant. Sancho would still have been a phanny. Rashford has proven that his form is temperamental with or without Ronaldo. In other words we would still have struggled. Not to mention that, by all accounts including his own, Ole was involved in that signing.
I was the biggest critic I know of that signing at the time, but there seems to have been this narrative that has crept in that everything was rosy until we signed Ronaldo. That season was destined to be a disaster either way.
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Well it wasnt at the time. Finishing 2nd then buying Varane ... and then Ronaldo deal although some thought he was past it and a waste of money.... but most United fans was wetting their pants in anticipation of the new season before a ball was kicked. Nobody predicted what would happen
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Well of course it wasn't at the time. But at the time we didn't know what was about to happen with Greenwood, or that Rashford's form would fall off a cliff, or that Sancho wasn't that good, or that a number of key players would be spending so much time injured.
All of these things we completely independent of Ronaldo. I'm inclined to actually think we might have actually ended up worse off that season without him by the end of it.
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