You are right.... "Change is painful and there were always going to be ups and downs"
However some of his changes are flat out stupid, its being reinforced by the results and it needs to stop
Other than that, all is rosy. I think the frustration comes from failure to address set piece defending and playing the high line. Its probably cost us the points that would have got top 4, Its not like we are feeling the benefit of his attacking /lack of defending approach.... We are not blowing teams away with all out attack and winning 4/5-0 on a regular basis.
I'm just asking he manages what he has, addresses our needs and stops with all the theoretical "I'm building for the future bollix".... That works in Scotland when you can say and do what ya like and win the league every year
he has improved you from last season, needs to be given the chance to see if he can further improve you again next season.
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So we might finish 5th and what? Get 3 or 4 points more from last season, without anything else to show for it? No Europe either. I looked at that at the start of the season with the spending of £200m and thought, yeah this might be a real chance to do something in the domestic cups. We went out of both early.
Sorry but if you're not going to do anything in the cups then maybe get top 4? Out of the top 4 race with 4 games to go. Ok well if you're not going to get top 4, at least get a high points total. Like I said above, probably not going to be many points more is it?
Let's be realistic, it's not been a good season for a supposed big club. People will point to losing Kane, but we still had a good team of players without him. Would anyone disagree that it's worse than Villa's? Kane doesn't affect the defence either and it looks like being just as bad last season, after we've got a new keeper, 2 new CBs, and a new LB and sifted out the previous rubbish - Sanchez/Dier.
Total neutral … ‘Tic fan who’s been following Ange’s progress (or not) closely since his move. Think the OP makes some pretty fair points TBH. Was thinking about this earlier, after the (understandable) deluge of posts during your poor run. Yes, there are clear problems, and some can arguably be levelled at Ange’s tactics, BUT he still has you in 5th, with IMO the 7th best squad in the Prem … top 3 speak for themselves, but I’d say that Man U, Newcastle and Chelsea also have better overall squads. Where I DO have concerns about Ange, which I flagged up right after his move, is that I really don’t see him changing his tactics much (if at all) … and I’ve always doubted they could work longer term against high calibre opposition. Time will tell.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 seconds ago
So we might finish 5th and what? Get 3 or 4 points more from last season, without anything else to show for it? No Europe either. I looked at that at the start of the season with the spending of £200m and thought, yeah this might be a real chance to do something in the domestic cups. We went out of both early.
Sorry but if you're not going to do anything in the cups then maybe get top 4? Out of the top 4 race with 4 games to go. Ok well if you're not going to get top 4, at least get a high points total. Like I said above, probably not going to be many points more is it?
Let's be realistic, it's not been a good season for a supposed big club. People will point to losing Kane, but we still had a good team of players without him. Would anyone disagree that it's worse than Villa's? Kane doesn't affect the defence either and it looks like being just as bad last season, after we've got a new keeper, 2 new CBs, and a new LB and sifted out the previous rubbish - Sanchez/Dier.
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The "what" about finishing 5th is that we will finish behind City, Liverpool and Arsenal. Are you saying that we should finish above them this season?
As I said in the OP, it's disappointing that we might finish below Villa, but no one expected a top 4 finish at the start of the season.
You mention the £200m. Van De Ven, Vicario were unknowns. The fact that they have made a positive impact overall in their first season bodes well for the future.
Johnson and Werner were meh signings. Anyone that expected them to turn us into world beaters was obviously badly mistaken.
Maddison started very well but has tailed off badly over the last few months. Maybe that's why he was part of a team that got relegated last season.
I think the key is for the club to back Ange in the transfer market and start signing quality players rather than bargains. The we can judge Ange
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 3 minutes ago
Total neutral … ‘Tic fan who’s been following Ange’s progress (or not) closely since his move. Think the OP makes some pretty fair points TBH. Was thinking about this earlier, after the (understandable) deluge of posts during your poor run. Yes, there are clear problems, and some can arguably be levelled at Ange’s tactics, BUT he still has you in 5th, with IMO the 7th best squad in the Prem … top 3 speak for themselves, but I’d say that Man U, Newcastle and Chelsea also have better overall squads. Where I DO have concerns about Ange, which I flagged up right after his move, is that I really don’t see him changing his tactics much (if at all) … and I’ve always doubted they could work longer term against high calibre opposition. Time will tell.
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The one thing I'll give Ange is being hit by those injuries last year. That was unlucky. But we've had practically a full strength team since Feb, so it should have been enough time to perform better. I mean being 5th with the 7th best squad is as much down to failures by teams with better squads. The fact that we've pretty much secured 5th on 60 points with 4 games to highlights that, because that isn't a very high total.
As I said in the previous article...
We'd have all taken 5th at the start of the year but let's be real here. You can't just dismiss the title-winning form at the start of the year flattering where we currently sit. Our form since the Chelsea game back in November is 10th. That's a measure of where we truly are as a club and frankly it's woefully below par. If you play 10 blinding games and are poor for 24 after that, logic tells you that the data covering the most games is more accurate.
What we have to ask ourselves is are the goals we're conceding a product of individual error or tactical instruction from the manager? If it's the latter then we have a problem and I think it is. Teams know what we're going to do so they sit in and play long balls down the channels and play the percentages. VDV isn't going to get to them all so that's why we concede so many.
In our first season under Poch we started quite poorly and then gathered momentum as the season went on, navigated European games and got to a domestic cup final, all the while securing 5th in the league. Contrast that with Ange and whilst we started at a blistering pace, we've seen an alarming fall in performance and results aren't just inconsistent but, at times, embarrassing. That's all having had no European fixtures, and having bowed out of the domestic cups in the early rounds. If you were to apply all this to a graph, under Poch at this stage the arrow was pointing up. Under Ange it's pointing down so that's why, despite 5th being an acceptable expectation, it's not a true measure of where we are as a club.
I should add, I'm still very much Ange in and he needs the time to turn it around because frankly, who else is there? There's no point in changing now. We've got to stick to it but it depends how things go next year. If we're still playing the way we are by Christmas, I think he's in trouble personally.
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 seconds ago
So we might finish 5th and what? Get 3 or 4 points more from last season, without anything else to show for it? No Europe either. I looked at that at the start of the season with the spending of £200m and thought, yeah this might be a real chance to do something in the domestic cups. We went out of both early.
Sorry but if you're not going to do anything in the cups then maybe get top 4? Out of the top 4 race with 4 games to go. Ok well if you're not going to get top 4, at least get a high points total. Like I said above, probably not going to be many points more is it?
Let's be realistic, it's not been a good season for a supposed big club. People will point to losing Kane, but we still had a good team of players without him. Would anyone disagree that it's worse than Villa's? Kane doesn't affect the defence either and it looks like being just as bad last season, after we've got a new keeper, 2 new CBs, and a new LB and sifted out the previous rubbish - Sanchez/Dier.
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The "what" about finishing 5th is that we will finish behind City, Liverpool and Arsenal. Are you saying that we should finish above them this season?
As I said in the OP, it's disappointing that we might finish below Villa, but no one expected a top 4 finish at the start of the season.
You mention the £200m. Van De Ven, Vicario were unknowns. The fact that they have made a positive impact overall in their first season bodes well for the future.
Johnson and Werner were meh signings. Anyone that expected them to turn us into world beaters was obviously badly mistaken.
Maddison started very well but has tailed off badly over the last few months. Maybe that's why he was part of a team that got relegated last season.
I think the key is for the club to back Ange in the transfer market and start signing quality players rather than bargains. The we can judge Ange
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Not finish above them but finish better at least with the supposed advantage of a lack of fixtures from Europe and our own failure of getting anywhere in the cups (which is what also disappoints about this season). Of course with the way we started many would have changed their expectations and top 4 would have been an achievable target. So yes we failed in that department, quite limply as it turns out.
£200m on unknowns or not is a lot of money to be spending. Not many Spurs managers have been afforded that so soon into their tenure. VDV and Vicario quickly turned out to be hits anyway, and Maddison was already known about as a quality player. The relegation of Leicester wasn't down to him and there are Leicester fans that would tell you he was their best player despite that.
I'm willing to give Ange time but all this pretending we've done well and shown progress, I don't agree with so far. The way we're ending this season, it's as bad as last season's form and performances.
worth adding that we are not losing close games, playing well and being a bit unlucky..... We are getting comfortably beaten, putting ourselves under pressure, playing into the hands of the opposition and playing crap
Even the games we are winning are harder/closer than they need to be.... Thats tactics and on the manager.
Ange is 100% on the right path BUT his stubbornness could see him royally f*ck it up.... He's at a crossroads
“Might only finish 5th”
If you lose at anfield and United by some miracle win at palace, the gap will be 3 points, even 5th isn’t a given just yet, although I’d still make you strong favourites for it
Good point OP
Some of our outries is borber like akin to chaild throwing toys out of the pram, because OMG we are not getting top 4!
The onlt defense I have for these people is that Spurs have more or less capitulated badly the CL.
However, this is Ange's first season - and even the likes of Klopp and Farteta, took a few transfer windows and seasons, to get some fruitful season.
We would be tenth on our form since Christmas
This team and these players have got worse under this coach
Looks like he’s lost the dressing room to me.
Shipped 9 goals in three games. Tactically naive, no sign of using our academy players, football is awful, players look lost and confused
But yeah we’re fifth so alls rosy 👍
Let’s get real
We are only 5th because of the great first 10 games when teams didn’t know how to handle us, new manager bounce also
Since then we’ve been average at best and I saw somewhere 11th in points since first 10 games
That’s the real measure, we are in an false position imo
Oh and weve conceded 2 goals per game on average since first 10 too.
our form over the last few months has not been great. But you can't re-jig a league table at the end of the season with a load of ifs and buts. As the old adage goes, the table never lies.
However, a team's form towards the end of a season can follow through to the next (whether good or bad) and that is something to definitely be wary of. But the bad dip in form may turn out to be a blessing in disguise because Levy can't use good form as an excuse to not back the manager in the transfer market.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
We would be tenth on our form since Christmas
This team and these players have got worse under this coach
Looks like he’s lost the dressing room to me.
Shipped 9 goals in three games. Tactically naive, no sign of using our academy players, football is awful, players look lost and confused
But yeah we’re fifth so alls rosy 👍
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Fair comment Big Mac
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Some of our outries is borber like akin to chaild
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Some of our outries is borber like akin to chaild
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You're so right
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How the actual fack do you even know what he wrote 😂
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Some of our outries is borber like akin to chaild
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Ah …fair enough mate , my bad
Not even sure English is his first language
Spurs are the 5th best side in England and look like they have all but secured 5th. It could be much worse. Look at Dortmund the 5th best side in Germany leading a semi-final in the CL. To be honest CL should let England have 5th spot if Dortmund win CL and finish 5th, but they won’t.
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posted on 3/5/24
You are right.... "Change is painful and there were always going to be ups and downs"
However some of his changes are flat out stupid, its being reinforced by the results and it needs to stop
Other than that, all is rosy. I think the frustration comes from failure to address set piece defending and playing the high line. Its probably cost us the points that would have got top 4, Its not like we are feeling the benefit of his attacking /lack of defending approach.... We are not blowing teams away with all out attack and winning 4/5-0 on a regular basis.
I'm just asking he manages what he has, addresses our needs and stops with all the theoretical "I'm building for the future bollix".... That works in Scotland when you can say and do what ya like and win the league every year
posted on 3/5/24
he has improved you from last season, needs to be given the chance to see if he can further improve you again next season.
posted on 3/5/24
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posted on 3/5/24
So we might finish 5th and what? Get 3 or 4 points more from last season, without anything else to show for it? No Europe either. I looked at that at the start of the season with the spending of £200m and thought, yeah this might be a real chance to do something in the domestic cups. We went out of both early.
Sorry but if you're not going to do anything in the cups then maybe get top 4? Out of the top 4 race with 4 games to go. Ok well if you're not going to get top 4, at least get a high points total. Like I said above, probably not going to be many points more is it?
Let's be realistic, it's not been a good season for a supposed big club. People will point to losing Kane, but we still had a good team of players without him. Would anyone disagree that it's worse than Villa's? Kane doesn't affect the defence either and it looks like being just as bad last season, after we've got a new keeper, 2 new CBs, and a new LB and sifted out the previous rubbish - Sanchez/Dier.
posted on 3/5/24
Total neutral … ‘Tic fan who’s been following Ange’s progress (or not) closely since his move. Think the OP makes some pretty fair points TBH. Was thinking about this earlier, after the (understandable) deluge of posts during your poor run. Yes, there are clear problems, and some can arguably be levelled at Ange’s tactics, BUT he still has you in 5th, with IMO the 7th best squad in the Prem … top 3 speak for themselves, but I’d say that Man U, Newcastle and Chelsea also have better overall squads. Where I DO have concerns about Ange, which I flagged up right after his move, is that I really don’t see him changing his tactics much (if at all) … and I’ve always doubted they could work longer term against high calibre opposition. Time will tell.
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 seconds ago
So we might finish 5th and what? Get 3 or 4 points more from last season, without anything else to show for it? No Europe either. I looked at that at the start of the season with the spending of £200m and thought, yeah this might be a real chance to do something in the domestic cups. We went out of both early.
Sorry but if you're not going to do anything in the cups then maybe get top 4? Out of the top 4 race with 4 games to go. Ok well if you're not going to get top 4, at least get a high points total. Like I said above, probably not going to be many points more is it?
Let's be realistic, it's not been a good season for a supposed big club. People will point to losing Kane, but we still had a good team of players without him. Would anyone disagree that it's worse than Villa's? Kane doesn't affect the defence either and it looks like being just as bad last season, after we've got a new keeper, 2 new CBs, and a new LB and sifted out the previous rubbish - Sanchez/Dier.
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The "what" about finishing 5th is that we will finish behind City, Liverpool and Arsenal. Are you saying that we should finish above them this season?
As I said in the OP, it's disappointing that we might finish below Villa, but no one expected a top 4 finish at the start of the season.
You mention the £200m. Van De Ven, Vicario were unknowns. The fact that they have made a positive impact overall in their first season bodes well for the future.
Johnson and Werner were meh signings. Anyone that expected them to turn us into world beaters was obviously badly mistaken.
Maddison started very well but has tailed off badly over the last few months. Maybe that's why he was part of a team that got relegated last season.
I think the key is for the club to back Ange in the transfer market and start signing quality players rather than bargains. The we can judge Ange
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 3 minutes ago
Total neutral … ‘Tic fan who’s been following Ange’s progress (or not) closely since his move. Think the OP makes some pretty fair points TBH. Was thinking about this earlier, after the (understandable) deluge of posts during your poor run. Yes, there are clear problems, and some can arguably be levelled at Ange’s tactics, BUT he still has you in 5th, with IMO the 7th best squad in the Prem … top 3 speak for themselves, but I’d say that Man U, Newcastle and Chelsea also have better overall squads. Where I DO have concerns about Ange, which I flagged up right after his move, is that I really don’t see him changing his tactics much (if at all) … and I’ve always doubted they could work longer term against high calibre opposition. Time will tell.
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The one thing I'll give Ange is being hit by those injuries last year. That was unlucky. But we've had practically a full strength team since Feb, so it should have been enough time to perform better. I mean being 5th with the 7th best squad is as much down to failures by teams with better squads. The fact that we've pretty much secured 5th on 60 points with 4 games to highlights that, because that isn't a very high total.
posted on 3/5/24
As I said in the previous article...
We'd have all taken 5th at the start of the year but let's be real here. You can't just dismiss the title-winning form at the start of the year flattering where we currently sit. Our form since the Chelsea game back in November is 10th. That's a measure of where we truly are as a club and frankly it's woefully below par. If you play 10 blinding games and are poor for 24 after that, logic tells you that the data covering the most games is more accurate.
What we have to ask ourselves is are the goals we're conceding a product of individual error or tactical instruction from the manager? If it's the latter then we have a problem and I think it is. Teams know what we're going to do so they sit in and play long balls down the channels and play the percentages. VDV isn't going to get to them all so that's why we concede so many.
In our first season under Poch we started quite poorly and then gathered momentum as the season went on, navigated European games and got to a domestic cup final, all the while securing 5th in the league. Contrast that with Ange and whilst we started at a blistering pace, we've seen an alarming fall in performance and results aren't just inconsistent but, at times, embarrassing. That's all having had no European fixtures, and having bowed out of the domestic cups in the early rounds. If you were to apply all this to a graph, under Poch at this stage the arrow was pointing up. Under Ange it's pointing down so that's why, despite 5th being an acceptable expectation, it's not a true measure of where we are as a club.
I should add, I'm still very much Ange in and he needs the time to turn it around because frankly, who else is there? There's no point in changing now. We've got to stick to it but it depends how things go next year. If we're still playing the way we are by Christmas, I think he's in trouble personally.
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 seconds ago
So we might finish 5th and what? Get 3 or 4 points more from last season, without anything else to show for it? No Europe either. I looked at that at the start of the season with the spending of £200m and thought, yeah this might be a real chance to do something in the domestic cups. We went out of both early.
Sorry but if you're not going to do anything in the cups then maybe get top 4? Out of the top 4 race with 4 games to go. Ok well if you're not going to get top 4, at least get a high points total. Like I said above, probably not going to be many points more is it?
Let's be realistic, it's not been a good season for a supposed big club. People will point to losing Kane, but we still had a good team of players without him. Would anyone disagree that it's worse than Villa's? Kane doesn't affect the defence either and it looks like being just as bad last season, after we've got a new keeper, 2 new CBs, and a new LB and sifted out the previous rubbish - Sanchez/Dier.
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The "what" about finishing 5th is that we will finish behind City, Liverpool and Arsenal. Are you saying that we should finish above them this season?
As I said in the OP, it's disappointing that we might finish below Villa, but no one expected a top 4 finish at the start of the season.
You mention the £200m. Van De Ven, Vicario were unknowns. The fact that they have made a positive impact overall in their first season bodes well for the future.
Johnson and Werner were meh signings. Anyone that expected them to turn us into world beaters was obviously badly mistaken.
Maddison started very well but has tailed off badly over the last few months. Maybe that's why he was part of a team that got relegated last season.
I think the key is for the club to back Ange in the transfer market and start signing quality players rather than bargains. The we can judge Ange
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Not finish above them but finish better at least with the supposed advantage of a lack of fixtures from Europe and our own failure of getting anywhere in the cups (which is what also disappoints about this season). Of course with the way we started many would have changed their expectations and top 4 would have been an achievable target. So yes we failed in that department, quite limply as it turns out.
£200m on unknowns or not is a lot of money to be spending. Not many Spurs managers have been afforded that so soon into their tenure. VDV and Vicario quickly turned out to be hits anyway, and Maddison was already known about as a quality player. The relegation of Leicester wasn't down to him and there are Leicester fans that would tell you he was their best player despite that.
I'm willing to give Ange time but all this pretending we've done well and shown progress, I don't agree with so far. The way we're ending this season, it's as bad as last season's form and performances.
posted on 3/5/24
worth adding that we are not losing close games, playing well and being a bit unlucky..... We are getting comfortably beaten, putting ourselves under pressure, playing into the hands of the opposition and playing crap
Even the games we are winning are harder/closer than they need to be.... Thats tactics and on the manager.
Ange is 100% on the right path BUT his stubbornness could see him royally f*ck it up.... He's at a crossroads
posted on 3/5/24
“Might only finish 5th”
If you lose at anfield and United by some miracle win at palace, the gap will be 3 points, even 5th isn’t a given just yet, although I’d still make you strong favourites for it
posted on 3/5/24
Good point OP
Some of our outries is borber like akin to chaild throwing toys out of the pram, because OMG we are not getting top 4!
The onlt defense I have for these people is that Spurs have more or less capitulated badly the CL.
However, this is Ange's first season - and even the likes of Klopp and Farteta, took a few transfer windows and seasons, to get some fruitful season.
posted on 3/5/24
We would be tenth on our form since Christmas
This team and these players have got worse under this coach
Looks like he’s lost the dressing room to me.
Shipped 9 goals in three games. Tactically naive, no sign of using our academy players, football is awful, players look lost and confused
But yeah we’re fifth so alls rosy 👍
posted on 3/5/24
Let’s get real
We are only 5th because of the great first 10 games when teams didn’t know how to handle us, new manager bounce also
Since then we’ve been average at best and I saw somewhere 11th in points since first 10 games
That’s the real measure, we are in an false position imo
posted on 3/5/24
Oh and weve conceded 2 goals per game on average since first 10 too.
posted on 3/5/24
our form over the last few months has not been great. But you can't re-jig a league table at the end of the season with a load of ifs and buts. As the old adage goes, the table never lies.
However, a team's form towards the end of a season can follow through to the next (whether good or bad) and that is something to definitely be wary of. But the bad dip in form may turn out to be a blessing in disguise because Levy can't use good form as an excuse to not back the manager in the transfer market.
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
We would be tenth on our form since Christmas
This team and these players have got worse under this coach
Looks like he’s lost the dressing room to me.
Shipped 9 goals in three games. Tactically naive, no sign of using our academy players, football is awful, players look lost and confused
But yeah we’re fifth so alls rosy 👍
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Fair comment Big Mac
posted on 3/5/24
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Some of our outries is borber like akin to chaild
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You're so right
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
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comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Some of our outries is borber like akin to chaild
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You're so right
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How the actual fack do you even know what he wrote 😂
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comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
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comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
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Some of our outries is borber like akin to chaild
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posted on 3/5/24
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comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
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Some of our outries is borber like akin to chaild
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Ah …fair enough mate , my bad
Not even sure English is his first language
posted on 3/5/24
Spurs are the 5th best side in England and look like they have all but secured 5th. It could be much worse. Look at Dortmund the 5th best side in Germany leading a semi-final in the CL. To be honest CL should let England have 5th spot if Dortmund win CL and finish 5th, but they won’t.
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