comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 19 minutes ago
Champions league should be a nice add on when you win something. Not the sole height of your ambition, like enics.
Tottenham may be a huge brand, are still a small football club until they start trying to actually win something, rather than just doing enough to make more money.
1 league cup in 24 years of Enic is nothing but utter failure.
Levy out.
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What a sad little man
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 19 minutes ago
Champions league should be a nice add on when you win something. Not the sole height of your ambition, like enics.
Tottenham may be a huge brand, are still a small football club until they start trying to actually win something, rather than just doing enough to make more money.
1 league cup in 24 years of Enic is nothing but utter failure.
Levy out.
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What a sad little man
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Why dont you just change your name and start another new account Sandy? You can hide again then
Why do you think teams want to get into the Premier League from the Championship? Promoted clubs routinely get torn apart week after week but it doesn't stop them celebrating the achievement in getting there. Sure, we have no chance of winning the CL but taking part in and of itself is dining at the top table. The more you qualify, the bigger you become, both financially in terms of recruitment, and professionally in terms of standards.
All the time CL is on the table we should always be looking to qualify, regardless of the consequences of other sides. Arsenal have been the best side in the league this year, there's absolutely no question of that so who gives a flying feck if they win the league or not. They're still probably the best side either way. We've got a lot of catching up to do and frankly I'd rather focus on that than getting joy from others' failure.
I get that Europa is more achievable but imagine you're a fan of a lower league side and someone says to them "you can either get promoted each season finishing second every time or you can have the Autoglass Windscreen Trophy". What do you think they're going to do? They would go for promotion every single time. Whether we like it or not, the CL is the premium tournament and those taking part are the very best. If we want to become the best, we have to keep qualifying for it. So the idea of throwing tonight's game when CL is still a real possibility in order to stop Arsenal is frankly baffling. It's actively trying to hamper progress. I honestly can't get my head around it.
That said, a draw doesn't help anyone. If we don't win, we have to lose it.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
I feel like I see a post from a Spurs fan every few seasons saying better to be in the Europa League because we can win it.
Then never win it.
Spurs must have been favourites for it umpteen times over the last few decades and never get close to lifting it so instead of snobbery about the competition you play in Europe. Win one of them, any of them, the pokey Conference if it needs be ffs.
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The Conference really isn’t worth winning, it’s on a par with the league one playoff trophy.
You are right about the Europa and us being faves on occasions and not following through. The reason is simple, the managers at Spurs are remunerated heavily for CL qualification and although the Europa does offer a place, top 4 has previously been seen as more achievable.
Therefore, what usually happens is we do not take the comp seriously and instead see it as a hindrance to the league campaign. This means we end up getting beaten by the first half decent side we play in the KO’s because we rotate heavily and do not prepare for the opposition.
You look at the sides that knock us out - Gent, Dinamo Zagreb, Shakhtar - who we nearly beat with a team of kids. Then consider the sides we beat in the CL in the same time frame - Real Madrid, Milan, Inter, Dortmund, Ajax. It shows where the clubs priorities are - it’s all about the filthy lucre and faaack actually winning anything.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Why do you think teams want to get into the Premier League from the Championship? Promoted clubs routinely get torn apart week after week but it doesn't stop them celebrating the achievement in getting there. Sure, we have no chance of winning the CL but taking part in and of itself is dining at the top table. The more you qualify, the bigger you become, both financially in terms of recruitment, and professionally in terms of standards.
All the time CL is on the table we should always be looking to qualify, regardless of the consequences of other sides. Arsenal have been the best side in the league this year, there's absolutely no question of that so who gives a flying feck if they win the league or not. They're still probably the best side either way. We've got a lot of catching up to do and frankly I'd rather focus on that than getting joy from others' failure.
I get that Europa is more achievable but imagine you're a fan of a lower league side and someone says to them "you can either get promoted each season finishing second every time or you can have the Autoglass Windscreen Trophy". What do you think they're going to do? They would go for promotion every single time. Whether we like it or not, the CL is the premium tournament and those taking part are the very best. If we want to become the best, we have to keep qualifying for it. So the idea of throwing tonight's game when CL is still a real possibility in order to stop Arsenal is frankly baffling. It's actively trying to hamper progress. I honestly can't get my head around it.
That said, a draw doesn't help anyone. If we don't win, we have to lose it.
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I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree.
We’ve been qualifying for the champions league consistently for 15 years and still won nothing
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 19 minutes ago
Champions league should be a nice add on when you win something. Not the sole height of your ambition, like enics.
Tottenham may be a huge brand, are still a small football club until they start trying to actually win something, rather than just doing enough to make more money.
1 league cup in 24 years of Enic is nothing but utter failure.
Levy out.
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What a sad little man
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Why dont you just change your name and start another new account Sandy? You can hide again then
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Playing the Sandy card. Desperate.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Why do you think teams want to get into the Premier League from the Championship? Promoted clubs routinely get torn apart week after week but it doesn't stop them celebrating the achievement in getting there. Sure, we have no chance of winning the CL but taking part in and of itself is dining at the top table. The more you qualify, the bigger you become, both financially in terms of recruitment, and professionally in terms of standards.
All the time CL is on the table we should always be looking to qualify, regardless of the consequences of other sides. Arsenal have been the best side in the league this year, there's absolutely no question of that so who gives a flying feck if they win the league or not. They're still probably the best side either way. We've got a lot of catching up to do and frankly I'd rather focus on that than getting joy from others' failure.
I get that Europa is more achievable but imagine you're a fan of a lower league side and someone says to them "you can either get promoted each season finishing second every time or you can have the Autoglass Windscreen Trophy". What do you think they're going to do? They would go for promotion every single time. Whether we like it or not, the CL is the premium tournament and those taking part are the very best. If we want to become the best, we have to keep qualifying for it. So the idea of throwing tonight's game when CL is still a real possibility in order to stop Arsenal is frankly baffling. It's actively trying to hamper progress. I honestly can't get my head around it.
That said, a draw doesn't help anyone. If we don't win, we have to lose it.
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I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree.
We’ve been qualifying for the champions league consistently for 15 years and still won nothing
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But we are a much bigger side for that participation. If we want to progress, CL is vital. Look, I just want us to finish as high as we can and then we go from there. I'm never going to want us to lose if something is riding on it. Sure, if Villa had won last night, I'd be behind you, but we still have a chance at CL and we can't throw that away. What do you think our players want right now? Those lads are more likely to believe in the project if we qualify for the CL, even if we have no chance of winning it. We've got to push to be up there with the best. It's that simple.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 minutes ago
Why do you think teams want to get into the Premier League from the Championship? Promoted clubs routinely get torn apart week after week but it doesn't stop them celebrating the achievement in getting there. Sure, we have no chance of winning the CL but taking part in and of itself is dining at the top table. The more you qualify, the bigger you become, both financially in terms of recruitment, and professionally in terms of standards.
All the time CL is on the table we should always be looking to qualify, regardless of the consequences of other sides. Arsenal have been the best side in the league this year, there's absolutely no question of that so who gives a flying feck if they win the league or not. They're still probably the best side either way. We've got a lot of catching up to do and frankly I'd rather focus on that than getting joy from others' failure.
I get that Europa is more achievable but imagine you're a fan of a lower league side and someone says to them "you can either get promoted each season finishing second every time or you can have the Autoglass Windscreen Trophy". What do you think they're going to do? They would go for promotion every single time. Whether we like it or not, the CL is the premium tournament and those taking part are the very best. If we want to become the best, we have to keep qualifying for it. So the idea of throwing tonight's game when CL is still a real possibility in order to stop Arsenal is frankly baffling. It's actively trying to hamper progress. I honestly can't get my head around it.
That said, a draw doesn't help anyone. If we don't win, we have to lose it.
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Winning the Europa would get us into the CL - I would like to see us try that approach next season.
With CL sides no longer dropping down, Germany and Italy getting an extra CL spot so pushing their Europas qualifiers down a league place and the likes of Valencia, Villarreal, Napoli and Ajax having atrocious seasons - next years Europa looks as weak as pizz water. The 2 English qualifiers will almost certainly be favourites. Roma, Bilbao, Frankfurt will be a real threat - but that is the very top end of the quality of opposition, it is very winnable for the English sides next year and at least 2 of those 3 will lose star players in the summer
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Why do you think teams want to get into the Premier League from the Championship? Promoted clubs routinely get torn apart week after week but it doesn't stop them celebrating the achievement in getting there. Sure, we have no chance of winning the CL but taking part in and of itself is dining at the top table. The more you qualify, the bigger you become, both financially in terms of recruitment, and professionally in terms of standards.
All the time CL is on the table we should always be looking to qualify, regardless of the consequences of other sides. Arsenal have been the best side in the league this year, there's absolutely no question of that so who gives a flying feck if they win the league or not. They're still probably the best side either way. We've got a lot of catching up to do and frankly I'd rather focus on that than getting joy from others' failure.
I get that Europa is more achievable but imagine you're a fan of a lower league side and someone says to them "you can either get promoted each season finishing second every time or you can have the Autoglass Windscreen Trophy". What do you think they're going to do? They would go for promotion every single time. Whether we like it or not, the CL is the premium tournament and those taking part are the very best. If we want to become the best, we have to keep qualifying for it. So the idea of throwing tonight's game when CL is still a real possibility in order to stop Arsenal is frankly baffling. It's actively trying to hamper progress. I honestly can't get my head around it.
That said, a draw doesn't help anyone. If we don't win, we have to lose it.
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I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree.
We’ve been qualifying for the champions league consistently for 15 years and still won nothing
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But we are a much bigger side for that participation. If we want to progress, CL is vital. Look, I just want us to finish as high as we can and then we go from there. I'm never going to want us to lose if something is riding on it. Sure, if Villa had won last night, I'd be behind you, but we still have a chance at CL and we can't throw that away. What do you think our players want right now? Those lads are more likely to believe in the project if we qualify for the CL, even if we have no chance of winning it. We've got to push to be up there with the best. It's that simple.
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I get what you are saying, but I know what this club is like, if we get a result against City tonight we would contrive to get beat or draw at Bramall lane - it’s just what we do in recent times
Fridge you talking as if CL is in our hands when it isn't. If Villa draw against Palace, all this CL talk is for nothing.
And that's IF we jammy a win against the best team in the land who have all their best players fit lol.
We are going to lose tonight and hopefully make Europa. We can still progress next season.
Villa played in the conference league this year and are going to play CL football next season. Get real!
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 hours, 34 minutes ago
What a ridiculous article:
We’ve no chance of winning the league, should we not take part in that either?
What I remember from the CL, is the excitement, the prestige, playing the best teams, having the best players come to our ground….then there’s the money, the chance to attract better players ect, so many good reasons to be in it,
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Exactly this. And we did come quite close to winning the Champions League. When was the last time we got to another major European final? Couldn't care less about Arsenal. I want us to win tonight.
It's funny how all the Levy out/loser mentality key board warriors are the ones who want us to lose tonight as well
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We are nowhere near winning the CL, this team is not ready. Maybe you have no Arsenal friends
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My boss is an Arsenal fan. It will be a nightmare but it is what it is . They're better than us at the moment. No point denying it.
We probably aren't good enough to win the Champs League but I'd rather be in it than not.
Some of my most recent happy memories of being a Spurs fan were our Champions League nights. I'm not sure I got the same feeling when in the Europa or that conference thing.
I'm a football fan so why wouldn't I want the opportunity to see us play the best teams in the world? Who cares if we cant win it? Everyone said we'd never get to a final, but we did. If we didn't get that dodgy handball decision who knows how differently it may have played out.
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 6 seconds ago
Fridge you talking as if CL is in our hands when it isn't. If Villa draw against Palace, all this CL talk is for nothing.
And that's IF we jammy a win against the best team in the land who have all their best players fit lol.
We are going to lose tonight and hopefully make Europa. We can still progress next season.
Villa played in the conference league this year and are going to play CL football next season. Get real!
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A win tonight from us and I honestly wouldn't want to call it. It would be 50/50 given Palace's record lately.
I'm aware who we're playing but it's hypothetical. We've probably got zero chance of winning it but personally I feel we should at least try and more importantly, the fanbase should at least be able to wrap their head around the idea of the consequences of a win.
I only really care about us. I don't really care what this means for Arsenal. I just resent it when fans say that you're not a real fan if you want us to win tonight. Both arguments are valid to be honest.
I think I'm looking further down the road that instant success. Winning the Europa would be nice but I'm aware we're early on in a rebuild phase so qualification for the CL represents the most alluring of carrots dangling given the need for the kind of finances required for such a rebuild.
Look, I'll be happy either way. At least we'll have some European football next year. I've really missed that.
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 7 minutes ago
Villa played in the conference league this year and are going to play CL football next season. Get real!
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This is a brilliant point - I have myself been under the misconception for a while that Thursday night footy automatically hampers league form - it really doesn't correlate.
This season Liverpool were in a title race up until a couple of weeks ago having gone decently far in the Europa, and Villa got to the semis of the Conference league and will be finishing 4th.
We were without the distraction or any european footy and it hasn't help us one bit, you could argue it's even hampered us!
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
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Except………we’re their bogey team.
Gonna be interesting to see how the fans in the stadium react tonight, will they be silent if Spurs score? Will they cheer if City score? It’s all a bit bonkers!
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
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Except………we’re their bogey team.
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They beat us at home in the FA Cup. The curse has been broken.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 6 seconds ago
Fridge you talking as if CL is in our hands when it isn't. If Villa draw against Palace, all this CL talk is for nothing.
And that's IF we jammy a win against the best team in the land who have all their best players fit lol.
We are going to lose tonight and hopefully make Europa. We can still progress next season.
Villa played in the conference league this year and are going to play CL football next season. Get real!
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A win tonight from us and I honestly wouldn't want to call it. It would be 50/50 given Palace's record lately.
I'm aware who we're playing but it's hypothetical. We've probably got zero chance of winning it but personally I feel we should at least try and more importantly, the fanbase should at least be able to wrap their head around the idea of the consequences of a win.
I only really care about us. I don't really care what this means for Arsenal. I just resent it when fans say that you're not a real fan if you want us to win tonight. Both arguments are valid to be honest.
I think I'm looking further down the road that instant success. Winning the Europa would be nice but I'm aware we're early on in a rebuild phase so qualification for the CL represents the most alluring of carrots dangling given the need for the kind of finances required for such a rebuild.
Look, I'll be happy either way. At least we'll have some European football next year. I've really missed that.
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I definitely don’t think anyone that wants us to win isn’t a real fan! I get it.
I just don’t see the champions league as a worthwhile sacrifice for Arsenal winning the title, so with a heavy heart I want us to lose tonight
Ultimately I don’t think it will matter. We are pretty bad right now and they are possibly the greatest premier league side ever.
I think they will beat us comfortably anyway 👍
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
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Except………we’re their bogey team.
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They beat us at home in the FA Cup. The curse has been broken.
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This isn’t the FA Cup.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
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Except………we’re their bogey team.
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They beat us at home in the FA Cup. The curse has been broken.
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This isn’t the FA Cup.
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We are going to lose by more than 1 nil. You're right.
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
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Except………we’re their bogey team.
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They beat us at home in the FA Cup. The curse has been broken.
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This isn’t the FA Cup.
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We are going to lose by more than 1 nil. You're right.
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We may do, we may not. Could be a draw, who knows!
We’ve been on the beach for weeks since the Forest game, 1 win against a now relegated Burnley doesn’t change that. I would honestly not be surprised if we’re beaten comprehensively tonight, Newcastle and Chelsea draw tomorrow guaranteeing us 5th and we then lose narrowly up at Bramall lane with a half hearted effort. We look absolutely shahgged out and need a break
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
I feel like I see a post from a Spurs fan every few seasons saying better to be in the Europa League because we can win it.
Then never win it.
Spurs must have been favourites for it umpteen times over the last few decades and never get close to lifting it so instead of snobbery about the competition you play in Europe. Win one of them, any of them, the pokey Conference if it needs be ffs.
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The Conference really isn’t worth winning, it’s on a par with the league one playoff trophy.
You are right about the Europa and us being faves on occasions and not following through. The reason is simple, the managers at Spurs are remunerated heavily for CL qualification and although the Europa does offer a place, top 4 has previously been seen as more achievable.
Therefore, what usually happens is we do not take the comp seriously and instead see it as a hindrance to the league campaign. This means we end up getting beaten by the first half decent side we play in the KO’s because we rotate heavily and do not prepare for the opposition.
You look at the sides that knock us out - Gent, Dinamo Zagreb, Shakhtar - who we nearly beat with a team of kids. Then consider the sides we beat in the CL in the same time frame - Real Madrid, Milan, Inter, Dortmund, Ajax. It shows where the clubs priorities are - it’s all about the filthy lucre and faaack actually winning anything.
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The conference would still be your biggest trophy in decades.
It's about winning, winning anything at this stage.
I’m not sure how to feel about this season. On the one hand, a 5th place finish in a season where we sold arguably the best player the club has ever produced (although I still prefer Hoddle) and brought in a new manager, isn’t too shabby. Back in Europe and the style of play has improved.
On the other hand, a stat has just been produced in another article that shows defensible we have been the worst 5th placed finisher in a decade - by a large, large margin, and it’s gonna be one of the worst in Prem history if not the worst. We were our usual feeble in domestic comps and no had no Euro distractions. Didn’t turn up at home in one of the most important derby games in years and have ended the season with a whimper so far.
I can’t tell if I am happy, depressed or meh
48 comments in, and still no mention of the possible financial cost of missing out on yet another year of Champions League football.
Let's see.....a record stadium mortgage..... Net payables of about £270m in the transfer market.....A ballooning wage bill..
Spare a thought for Daniel Levy.
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posted on 14/5/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 19 minutes ago
Champions league should be a nice add on when you win something. Not the sole height of your ambition, like enics.
Tottenham may be a huge brand, are still a small football club until they start trying to actually win something, rather than just doing enough to make more money.
1 league cup in 24 years of Enic is nothing but utter failure.
Levy out.
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What a sad little man
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 19 minutes ago
Champions league should be a nice add on when you win something. Not the sole height of your ambition, like enics.
Tottenham may be a huge brand, are still a small football club until they start trying to actually win something, rather than just doing enough to make more money.
1 league cup in 24 years of Enic is nothing but utter failure.
Levy out.
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What a sad little man
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Why dont you just change your name and start another new account Sandy? You can hide again then
posted on 14/5/24
Why do you think teams want to get into the Premier League from the Championship? Promoted clubs routinely get torn apart week after week but it doesn't stop them celebrating the achievement in getting there. Sure, we have no chance of winning the CL but taking part in and of itself is dining at the top table. The more you qualify, the bigger you become, both financially in terms of recruitment, and professionally in terms of standards.
All the time CL is on the table we should always be looking to qualify, regardless of the consequences of other sides. Arsenal have been the best side in the league this year, there's absolutely no question of that so who gives a flying feck if they win the league or not. They're still probably the best side either way. We've got a lot of catching up to do and frankly I'd rather focus on that than getting joy from others' failure.
I get that Europa is more achievable but imagine you're a fan of a lower league side and someone says to them "you can either get promoted each season finishing second every time or you can have the Autoglass Windscreen Trophy". What do you think they're going to do? They would go for promotion every single time. Whether we like it or not, the CL is the premium tournament and those taking part are the very best. If we want to become the best, we have to keep qualifying for it. So the idea of throwing tonight's game when CL is still a real possibility in order to stop Arsenal is frankly baffling. It's actively trying to hamper progress. I honestly can't get my head around it.
That said, a draw doesn't help anyone. If we don't win, we have to lose it.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
I feel like I see a post from a Spurs fan every few seasons saying better to be in the Europa League because we can win it.
Then never win it.
Spurs must have been favourites for it umpteen times over the last few decades and never get close to lifting it so instead of snobbery about the competition you play in Europe. Win one of them, any of them, the pokey Conference if it needs be ffs.
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The Conference really isn’t worth winning, it’s on a par with the league one playoff trophy.
You are right about the Europa and us being faves on occasions and not following through. The reason is simple, the managers at Spurs are remunerated heavily for CL qualification and although the Europa does offer a place, top 4 has previously been seen as more achievable.
Therefore, what usually happens is we do not take the comp seriously and instead see it as a hindrance to the league campaign. This means we end up getting beaten by the first half decent side we play in the KO’s because we rotate heavily and do not prepare for the opposition.
You look at the sides that knock us out - Gent, Dinamo Zagreb, Shakhtar - who we nearly beat with a team of kids. Then consider the sides we beat in the CL in the same time frame - Real Madrid, Milan, Inter, Dortmund, Ajax. It shows where the clubs priorities are - it’s all about the filthy lucre and faaack actually winning anything.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Why do you think teams want to get into the Premier League from the Championship? Promoted clubs routinely get torn apart week after week but it doesn't stop them celebrating the achievement in getting there. Sure, we have no chance of winning the CL but taking part in and of itself is dining at the top table. The more you qualify, the bigger you become, both financially in terms of recruitment, and professionally in terms of standards.
All the time CL is on the table we should always be looking to qualify, regardless of the consequences of other sides. Arsenal have been the best side in the league this year, there's absolutely no question of that so who gives a flying feck if they win the league or not. They're still probably the best side either way. We've got a lot of catching up to do and frankly I'd rather focus on that than getting joy from others' failure.
I get that Europa is more achievable but imagine you're a fan of a lower league side and someone says to them "you can either get promoted each season finishing second every time or you can have the Autoglass Windscreen Trophy". What do you think they're going to do? They would go for promotion every single time. Whether we like it or not, the CL is the premium tournament and those taking part are the very best. If we want to become the best, we have to keep qualifying for it. So the idea of throwing tonight's game when CL is still a real possibility in order to stop Arsenal is frankly baffling. It's actively trying to hamper progress. I honestly can't get my head around it.
That said, a draw doesn't help anyone. If we don't win, we have to lose it.
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I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree.
We’ve been qualifying for the champions league consistently for 15 years and still won nothing
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 19 minutes ago
Champions league should be a nice add on when you win something. Not the sole height of your ambition, like enics.
Tottenham may be a huge brand, are still a small football club until they start trying to actually win something, rather than just doing enough to make more money.
1 league cup in 24 years of Enic is nothing but utter failure.
Levy out.
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What a sad little man
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Why dont you just change your name and start another new account Sandy? You can hide again then
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Playing the Sandy card. Desperate.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Why do you think teams want to get into the Premier League from the Championship? Promoted clubs routinely get torn apart week after week but it doesn't stop them celebrating the achievement in getting there. Sure, we have no chance of winning the CL but taking part in and of itself is dining at the top table. The more you qualify, the bigger you become, both financially in terms of recruitment, and professionally in terms of standards.
All the time CL is on the table we should always be looking to qualify, regardless of the consequences of other sides. Arsenal have been the best side in the league this year, there's absolutely no question of that so who gives a flying feck if they win the league or not. They're still probably the best side either way. We've got a lot of catching up to do and frankly I'd rather focus on that than getting joy from others' failure.
I get that Europa is more achievable but imagine you're a fan of a lower league side and someone says to them "you can either get promoted each season finishing second every time or you can have the Autoglass Windscreen Trophy". What do you think they're going to do? They would go for promotion every single time. Whether we like it or not, the CL is the premium tournament and those taking part are the very best. If we want to become the best, we have to keep qualifying for it. So the idea of throwing tonight's game when CL is still a real possibility in order to stop Arsenal is frankly baffling. It's actively trying to hamper progress. I honestly can't get my head around it.
That said, a draw doesn't help anyone. If we don't win, we have to lose it.
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I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree.
We’ve been qualifying for the champions league consistently for 15 years and still won nothing
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But we are a much bigger side for that participation. If we want to progress, CL is vital. Look, I just want us to finish as high as we can and then we go from there. I'm never going to want us to lose if something is riding on it. Sure, if Villa had won last night, I'd be behind you, but we still have a chance at CL and we can't throw that away. What do you think our players want right now? Those lads are more likely to believe in the project if we qualify for the CL, even if we have no chance of winning it. We've got to push to be up there with the best. It's that simple.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 minutes ago
Why do you think teams want to get into the Premier League from the Championship? Promoted clubs routinely get torn apart week after week but it doesn't stop them celebrating the achievement in getting there. Sure, we have no chance of winning the CL but taking part in and of itself is dining at the top table. The more you qualify, the bigger you become, both financially in terms of recruitment, and professionally in terms of standards.
All the time CL is on the table we should always be looking to qualify, regardless of the consequences of other sides. Arsenal have been the best side in the league this year, there's absolutely no question of that so who gives a flying feck if they win the league or not. They're still probably the best side either way. We've got a lot of catching up to do and frankly I'd rather focus on that than getting joy from others' failure.
I get that Europa is more achievable but imagine you're a fan of a lower league side and someone says to them "you can either get promoted each season finishing second every time or you can have the Autoglass Windscreen Trophy". What do you think they're going to do? They would go for promotion every single time. Whether we like it or not, the CL is the premium tournament and those taking part are the very best. If we want to become the best, we have to keep qualifying for it. So the idea of throwing tonight's game when CL is still a real possibility in order to stop Arsenal is frankly baffling. It's actively trying to hamper progress. I honestly can't get my head around it.
That said, a draw doesn't help anyone. If we don't win, we have to lose it.
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Winning the Europa would get us into the CL - I would like to see us try that approach next season.
With CL sides no longer dropping down, Germany and Italy getting an extra CL spot so pushing their Europas qualifiers down a league place and the likes of Valencia, Villarreal, Napoli and Ajax having atrocious seasons - next years Europa looks as weak as pizz water. The 2 English qualifiers will almost certainly be favourites. Roma, Bilbao, Frankfurt will be a real threat - but that is the very top end of the quality of opposition, it is very winnable for the English sides next year and at least 2 of those 3 will lose star players in the summer
posted on 14/5/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Why do you think teams want to get into the Premier League from the Championship? Promoted clubs routinely get torn apart week after week but it doesn't stop them celebrating the achievement in getting there. Sure, we have no chance of winning the CL but taking part in and of itself is dining at the top table. The more you qualify, the bigger you become, both financially in terms of recruitment, and professionally in terms of standards.
All the time CL is on the table we should always be looking to qualify, regardless of the consequences of other sides. Arsenal have been the best side in the league this year, there's absolutely no question of that so who gives a flying feck if they win the league or not. They're still probably the best side either way. We've got a lot of catching up to do and frankly I'd rather focus on that than getting joy from others' failure.
I get that Europa is more achievable but imagine you're a fan of a lower league side and someone says to them "you can either get promoted each season finishing second every time or you can have the Autoglass Windscreen Trophy". What do you think they're going to do? They would go for promotion every single time. Whether we like it or not, the CL is the premium tournament and those taking part are the very best. If we want to become the best, we have to keep qualifying for it. So the idea of throwing tonight's game when CL is still a real possibility in order to stop Arsenal is frankly baffling. It's actively trying to hamper progress. I honestly can't get my head around it.
That said, a draw doesn't help anyone. If we don't win, we have to lose it.
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I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree.
We’ve been qualifying for the champions league consistently for 15 years and still won nothing
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But we are a much bigger side for that participation. If we want to progress, CL is vital. Look, I just want us to finish as high as we can and then we go from there. I'm never going to want us to lose if something is riding on it. Sure, if Villa had won last night, I'd be behind you, but we still have a chance at CL and we can't throw that away. What do you think our players want right now? Those lads are more likely to believe in the project if we qualify for the CL, even if we have no chance of winning it. We've got to push to be up there with the best. It's that simple.
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I get what you are saying, but I know what this club is like, if we get a result against City tonight we would contrive to get beat or draw at Bramall lane - it’s just what we do in recent times
posted on 14/5/24
Fridge you talking as if CL is in our hands when it isn't. If Villa draw against Palace, all this CL talk is for nothing.
And that's IF we jammy a win against the best team in the land who have all their best players fit lol.
We are going to lose tonight and hopefully make Europa. We can still progress next season.
Villa played in the conference league this year and are going to play CL football next season. Get real!
posted on 14/5/24
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 hours, 34 minutes ago
What a ridiculous article:
We’ve no chance of winning the league, should we not take part in that either?
What I remember from the CL, is the excitement, the prestige, playing the best teams, having the best players come to our ground….then there’s the money, the chance to attract better players ect, so many good reasons to be in it,
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Exactly this. And we did come quite close to winning the Champions League. When was the last time we got to another major European final? Couldn't care less about Arsenal. I want us to win tonight.
It's funny how all the Levy out/loser mentality key board warriors are the ones who want us to lose tonight as well
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We are nowhere near winning the CL, this team is not ready. Maybe you have no Arsenal friends
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My boss is an Arsenal fan. It will be a nightmare but it is what it is . They're better than us at the moment. No point denying it.
We probably aren't good enough to win the Champs League but I'd rather be in it than not.
Some of my most recent happy memories of being a Spurs fan were our Champions League nights. I'm not sure I got the same feeling when in the Europa or that conference thing.
I'm a football fan so why wouldn't I want the opportunity to see us play the best teams in the world? Who cares if we cant win it? Everyone said we'd never get to a final, but we did. If we didn't get that dodgy handball decision who knows how differently it may have played out.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 6 seconds ago
Fridge you talking as if CL is in our hands when it isn't. If Villa draw against Palace, all this CL talk is for nothing.
And that's IF we jammy a win against the best team in the land who have all their best players fit lol.
We are going to lose tonight and hopefully make Europa. We can still progress next season.
Villa played in the conference league this year and are going to play CL football next season. Get real!
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A win tonight from us and I honestly wouldn't want to call it. It would be 50/50 given Palace's record lately.
I'm aware who we're playing but it's hypothetical. We've probably got zero chance of winning it but personally I feel we should at least try and more importantly, the fanbase should at least be able to wrap their head around the idea of the consequences of a win.
I only really care about us. I don't really care what this means for Arsenal. I just resent it when fans say that you're not a real fan if you want us to win tonight. Both arguments are valid to be honest.
I think I'm looking further down the road that instant success. Winning the Europa would be nice but I'm aware we're early on in a rebuild phase so qualification for the CL represents the most alluring of carrots dangling given the need for the kind of finances required for such a rebuild.
Look, I'll be happy either way. At least we'll have some European football next year. I've really missed that.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 7 minutes ago
Villa played in the conference league this year and are going to play CL football next season. Get real!
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This is a brilliant point - I have myself been under the misconception for a while that Thursday night footy automatically hampers league form - it really doesn't correlate.
This season Liverpool were in a title race up until a couple of weeks ago having gone decently far in the Europa, and Villa got to the semis of the Conference league and will be finishing 4th.
We were without the distraction or any european footy and it hasn't help us one bit, you could argue it's even hampered us!
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
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Except………we’re their bogey team.
posted on 14/5/24
Gonna be interesting to see how the fans in the stadium react tonight, will they be silent if Spurs score? Will they cheer if City score? It’s all a bit bonkers!
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
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Except………we’re their bogey team.
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They beat us at home in the FA Cup. The curse has been broken.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 6 seconds ago
Fridge you talking as if CL is in our hands when it isn't. If Villa draw against Palace, all this CL talk is for nothing.
And that's IF we jammy a win against the best team in the land who have all their best players fit lol.
We are going to lose tonight and hopefully make Europa. We can still progress next season.
Villa played in the conference league this year and are going to play CL football next season. Get real!
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A win tonight from us and I honestly wouldn't want to call it. It would be 50/50 given Palace's record lately.
I'm aware who we're playing but it's hypothetical. We've probably got zero chance of winning it but personally I feel we should at least try and more importantly, the fanbase should at least be able to wrap their head around the idea of the consequences of a win.
I only really care about us. I don't really care what this means for Arsenal. I just resent it when fans say that you're not a real fan if you want us to win tonight. Both arguments are valid to be honest.
I think I'm looking further down the road that instant success. Winning the Europa would be nice but I'm aware we're early on in a rebuild phase so qualification for the CL represents the most alluring of carrots dangling given the need for the kind of finances required for such a rebuild.
Look, I'll be happy either way. At least we'll have some European football next year. I've really missed that.
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I definitely don’t think anyone that wants us to win isn’t a real fan! I get it.
I just don’t see the champions league as a worthwhile sacrifice for Arsenal winning the title, so with a heavy heart I want us to lose tonight
Ultimately I don’t think it will matter. We are pretty bad right now and they are possibly the greatest premier league side ever.
I think they will beat us comfortably anyway 👍
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
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Except………we’re their bogey team.
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They beat us at home in the FA Cup. The curse has been broken.
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This isn’t the FA Cup.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
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Except………we’re their bogey team.
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They beat us at home in the FA Cup. The curse has been broken.
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This isn’t the FA Cup.
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We are going to lose by more than 1 nil. You're right.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
Anyone who has watched us play in recent weeks and thinks we have a chance of beating City is delusional.
Utterly delusional to even think about beating them. And that's got nothing to do with Woolwich. We have injuries and are a weak team. Utterly delusional to even think we can lay a glove on City lol.
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Except………we’re their bogey team.
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They beat us at home in the FA Cup. The curse has been broken.
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This isn’t the FA Cup.
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We are going to lose by more than 1 nil. You're right.
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We may do, we may not. Could be a draw, who knows!
posted on 14/5/24
We’ve been on the beach for weeks since the Forest game, 1 win against a now relegated Burnley doesn’t change that. I would honestly not be surprised if we’re beaten comprehensively tonight, Newcastle and Chelsea draw tomorrow guaranteeing us 5th and we then lose narrowly up at Bramall lane with a half hearted effort. We look absolutely shahgged out and need a break
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
I feel like I see a post from a Spurs fan every few seasons saying better to be in the Europa League because we can win it.
Then never win it.
Spurs must have been favourites for it umpteen times over the last few decades and never get close to lifting it so instead of snobbery about the competition you play in Europe. Win one of them, any of them, the pokey Conference if it needs be ffs.
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The Conference really isn’t worth winning, it’s on a par with the league one playoff trophy.
You are right about the Europa and us being faves on occasions and not following through. The reason is simple, the managers at Spurs are remunerated heavily for CL qualification and although the Europa does offer a place, top 4 has previously been seen as more achievable.
Therefore, what usually happens is we do not take the comp seriously and instead see it as a hindrance to the league campaign. This means we end up getting beaten by the first half decent side we play in the KO’s because we rotate heavily and do not prepare for the opposition.
You look at the sides that knock us out - Gent, Dinamo Zagreb, Shakhtar - who we nearly beat with a team of kids. Then consider the sides we beat in the CL in the same time frame - Real Madrid, Milan, Inter, Dortmund, Ajax. It shows where the clubs priorities are - it’s all about the filthy lucre and faaack actually winning anything.
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The conference would still be your biggest trophy in decades.
It's about winning, winning anything at this stage.
posted on 14/5/24
I’m not sure how to feel about this season. On the one hand, a 5th place finish in a season where we sold arguably the best player the club has ever produced (although I still prefer Hoddle) and brought in a new manager, isn’t too shabby. Back in Europe and the style of play has improved.
On the other hand, a stat has just been produced in another article that shows defensible we have been the worst 5th placed finisher in a decade - by a large, large margin, and it’s gonna be one of the worst in Prem history if not the worst. We were our usual feeble in domestic comps and no had no Euro distractions. Didn’t turn up at home in one of the most important derby games in years and have ended the season with a whimper so far.
I can’t tell if I am happy, depressed or meh
posted on 14/5/24
48 comments in, and still no mention of the possible financial cost of missing out on yet another year of Champions League football.
Let's see.....a record stadium mortgage..... Net payables of about £270m in the transfer market.....A ballooning wage bill..
Spare a thought for Daniel Levy.
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