https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4n1ndlknk1o
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/462165
VAR ain't the issue, it is the corrupt people using it is the issue.
The answer isn’t scrapping it, and I think there’s very little chance that will happen.
I’m glad these discussions are being had though. The system is fundamentally flawed and it may force those in charge to actually do something about it.
Just needs to be made a much smoother process.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
I’m glad these discussions are being had though. The system is fundamentally flawed and it may force those in charge to actually do something about it.
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Not sure I agree with 'fundamentally', but I agree with the rest of the comment.
I fear that removing VAR controversy will give the fans nothing to talk about in the pub after the game and pubs will shut down. Fans will just accept that the ref's decision is final and there is no way of changing it so there will be no more controversy. Also time spent checking VAR adds time on at the end, increasing business in pubs but 10 minutes on average. Pubs will be doomed without VAR controversy
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
I’m glad these discussions are being had though. The system is fundamentally flawed and it may force those in charge to actually do something about it.
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Not sure I agree with 'fundamentally', but I agree with the rest of the comment.
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Fair.
Part of the system is fundamentally flawed, but not all of it.
I’m not keen of VAR because I prefer games to flow and like human error. I dont think clubs will be fine with their being more mistakes if VAR is removed so surprised they want this unless they’re all stupid and don’t realise that the best way to lessen the amount of human error is to figure out more effective ways to use VAR, not remove it.
Wolves have instigated this debate and released a lengthy statement this evening
Wolves accepted the decision to introduce VAR was “made in good faith and with the best interests of football and the Premier League at its heart” but argued it has caused “numerous unintended negative consequences that are damaging the relationship between fans and football, and undermining the value of the Premier League brand”.
They listed a host of repercussions, such as:
Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special
Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication
A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR
Overreach of VAR’s original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game’s fluidity and integrity
Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to the safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch
Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards
Disruption of the Premier League’s fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long
Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league
Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wolves have instigated this debate and released a lengthy statement this evening
Wolves accepted the decision to introduce VAR was “made in good faith and with the best interests of football and the Premier League at its heart” but argued it has caused “numerous unintended negative consequences that are damaging the relationship between fans and football, and undermining the value of the Premier League brand”.
They listed a host of repercussions, such as:
Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special
Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication
A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR
Overreach of VAR’s original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game’s fluidity and integrity
Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to the safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch
Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards
Disruption of the Premier League’s fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long
Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league
Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption
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Yep all this
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wolves have instigated this debate and released a lengthy statement this evening
Wolves accepted the decision to introduce VAR was “made in good faith and with the best interests of football and the Premier League at its heart” but argued it has caused “numerous unintended negative consequences that are damaging the relationship between fans and football, and undermining the value of the Premier League brand”.
They listed a host of repercussions, such as:
Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special
Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication
A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR
Overreach of VAR’s original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game’s fluidity and integrity
Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to the safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch
Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards
Disruption of the Premier League’s fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long
Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league
Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption
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Yep all this
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Can't argue with any of that.
I agree with these points but clubs are still going to complain about every single decision that goes against them and the refs are gonna continue to ignore them and be hated.
I guess the money in football now makes people expect more and for their to be no mistakes which will never happen as we’re human. It would probably help if refs didn’t all come across as the annoying head prefect from school who had no social skills and used their power as a way to feel superior.
No chance Liverpool are voting for it to be scrapped 🤦
They listed a host of repercussions, such as:
Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special. DISAGREE. Football's an emotional rollercoaster, and that's what gets so many people hooked. The uncertainty of a VAR decision adds to that. Goals that shouldn't stand getting chalked off isn't a bad thing. Goals that are finally awarded get celebrated twice. The real problem here is that a lot of people want it both ways. Like they want cushy pensions and a good health system but no taxes and no skin tone variety.
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Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication. DISAGREE. Some people are just intellectually challenged and get confused just as easily by the offside rule or having biscuits disguised as breakfast cereal.
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A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR. DISAGREE. This just isn't a bad thing. Fack "the PL anthem". Focus on real problems.
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Overreach of VAR’s original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game’s fluidity and integrity. DEFINITELY AGREE. This is one of the few core issues. Get rid of all the other fluff and focus on fixing these.
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Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to the safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch
DEFINITELY AGREE. This is one of the few core issues. Get rid of all the other fluff and focus on fixing these.
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Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards. AGREE, up to a point. We've seen enough inexplicable decisions and inconsistencies within a single game that it leaves a clear whiff of corruption. It isn't that supporters are unable to accept human error, it's that sometimes you watch as a neutral and cannot find any other plausible explanation for some decisions.
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Disruption of the Premier League’s fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long. DISAGREE. This is just more fluff. If players aren't running, then they can run a bit more at the end. A lot of the fun bits happen when they're completely knackered.
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Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league. DISAGREE. Refereeing controversies were already a focal point of the week after. It's just people's attention has shifted onto the system.
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Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption.
DISAGREE. Allegations of corruption were one of the exact reasons VAR was brought in to begin with. As above, if now that whiff is stronger, it's because with the benefit of VAR some decisions become even more indefensible.
Nothing wrong with VAR. But they need to separate pgmol from it. Get outsiders in and scrap clear n obvious. Also bring in foreign refs. Buddy buddy pgmol shouldnt be a thing.
comment by LIW We’re Going Up As f@ck@ing Champion... (U8453)
posted 6 minutes ago
No chance Liverpool are voting for it to be scrapped 🤦
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And why would that be? You seem to think Liverpool are some sort of beneficiary of VAR?
You're laughable.
Oh, about time you changed your screen name
TV companies will put their foot down so it won't be scrapped. They own football, and to remove var will lessen the 'entertainment' value that they pay for.
Tech is fine, train the moron officials on how to review properly.
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
Tech is fine, train the moron officials on how to review properly.
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Not sure about the tech being fine. The implementation of the 'lines' is a joke. Europe seem to have got it a lot better, maybe not perfect but their system for offsides is light years ahead of ours.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
VAR ain't the issue, it is the corrupt people using it is the issue.
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Or incompetent or both....
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
Tech is fine, train the moron officials on how to review properly.
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Not sure about the tech being fine. The implementation of the 'lines' is a joke. Europe seem to have got it a lot better, maybe not perfect but their system for offsides is light years ahead of ours.
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The lines disappear next season because of the semi automated offside so it's now all about training the officials to utilise existing tech better and more quickly.
VAR stays.
The only people who matter, are the fans who actually go regular to games.
Whether the the decision is right or wrong, its change the experience of the match going fans, for the worst.
Unless the decision is instant, it makes the game worse, and needs scrapping.
Semi automated offsides and did the ball cross the line, not just for goals, but all-round the pitch.
Black and white decisions basically.
Whether we keep VAR or scrap it, referees will continue to make stupid decisions. The R in VAR stands for Referee. Referees were there before VAR and they'll be there long after if that comes to pass.
It's the Refs that need an over haul not the technology
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posted on 15/5/24
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4n1ndlknk1o
posted on 15/5/24
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/462165
posted on 15/5/24
VAR ain't the issue, it is the corrupt people using it is the issue.
posted on 15/5/24
The answer isn’t scrapping it, and I think there’s very little chance that will happen.
I’m glad these discussions are being had though. The system is fundamentally flawed and it may force those in charge to actually do something about it.
posted on 15/5/24
Just needs to be made a much smoother process.
posted on 15/5/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
I’m glad these discussions are being had though. The system is fundamentally flawed and it may force those in charge to actually do something about it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure I agree with 'fundamentally', but I agree with the rest of the comment.
posted on 15/5/24
I fear that removing VAR controversy will give the fans nothing to talk about in the pub after the game and pubs will shut down. Fans will just accept that the ref's decision is final and there is no way of changing it so there will be no more controversy. Also time spent checking VAR adds time on at the end, increasing business in pubs but 10 minutes on average. Pubs will be doomed without VAR controversy
posted on 15/5/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
I’m glad these discussions are being had though. The system is fundamentally flawed and it may force those in charge to actually do something about it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure I agree with 'fundamentally', but I agree with the rest of the comment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair.
Part of the system is fundamentally flawed, but not all of it.
posted on 15/5/24
I’m not keen of VAR because I prefer games to flow and like human error. I dont think clubs will be fine with their being more mistakes if VAR is removed so surprised they want this unless they’re all stupid and don’t realise that the best way to lessen the amount of human error is to figure out more effective ways to use VAR, not remove it.
posted on 15/5/24
Wolves have instigated this debate and released a lengthy statement this evening
Wolves accepted the decision to introduce VAR was “made in good faith and with the best interests of football and the Premier League at its heart” but argued it has caused “numerous unintended negative consequences that are damaging the relationship between fans and football, and undermining the value of the Premier League brand”.
They listed a host of repercussions, such as:
Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special
Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication
A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR
Overreach of VAR’s original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game’s fluidity and integrity
Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to the safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch
Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards
Disruption of the Premier League’s fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long
Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league
Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption
posted on 15/5/24
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wolves have instigated this debate and released a lengthy statement this evening
Wolves accepted the decision to introduce VAR was “made in good faith and with the best interests of football and the Premier League at its heart” but argued it has caused “numerous unintended negative consequences that are damaging the relationship between fans and football, and undermining the value of the Premier League brand”.
They listed a host of repercussions, such as:
Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special
Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication
A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR
Overreach of VAR’s original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game’s fluidity and integrity
Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to the safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch
Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards
Disruption of the Premier League’s fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long
Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league
Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep all this
posted on 15/5/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wolves have instigated this debate and released a lengthy statement this evening
Wolves accepted the decision to introduce VAR was “made in good faith and with the best interests of football and the Premier League at its heart” but argued it has caused “numerous unintended negative consequences that are damaging the relationship between fans and football, and undermining the value of the Premier League brand”.
They listed a host of repercussions, such as:
Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special
Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication
A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR
Overreach of VAR’s original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game’s fluidity and integrity
Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to the safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch
Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards
Disruption of the Premier League’s fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long
Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league
Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep all this
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Can't argue with any of that.
posted on 15/5/24
I agree with these points but clubs are still going to complain about every single decision that goes against them and the refs are gonna continue to ignore them and be hated.
I guess the money in football now makes people expect more and for their to be no mistakes which will never happen as we’re human. It would probably help if refs didn’t all come across as the annoying head prefect from school who had no social skills and used their power as a way to feel superior.
posted on 15/5/24
No chance Liverpool are voting for it to be scrapped 🤦
posted on 15/5/24
They listed a host of repercussions, such as:
Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special. DISAGREE. Football's an emotional rollercoaster, and that's what gets so many people hooked. The uncertainty of a VAR decision adds to that. Goals that shouldn't stand getting chalked off isn't a bad thing. Goals that are finally awarded get celebrated twice. The real problem here is that a lot of people want it both ways. Like they want cushy pensions and a good health system but no taxes and no skin tone variety.
---
Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication. DISAGREE. Some people are just intellectually challenged and get confused just as easily by the offside rule or having biscuits disguised as breakfast cereal.
---
A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR. DISAGREE. This just isn't a bad thing. Fack "the PL anthem". Focus on real problems.
---
Overreach of VAR’s original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game’s fluidity and integrity. DEFINITELY AGREE. This is one of the few core issues. Get rid of all the other fluff and focus on fixing these.
---
Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to the safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch
DEFINITELY AGREE. This is one of the few core issues. Get rid of all the other fluff and focus on fixing these.
---
Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards. AGREE, up to a point. We've seen enough inexplicable decisions and inconsistencies within a single game that it leaves a clear whiff of corruption. It isn't that supporters are unable to accept human error, it's that sometimes you watch as a neutral and cannot find any other plausible explanation for some decisions.
---
Disruption of the Premier League’s fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long. DISAGREE. This is just more fluff. If players aren't running, then they can run a bit more at the end. A lot of the fun bits happen when they're completely knackered.
---
Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league. DISAGREE. Refereeing controversies were already a focal point of the week after. It's just people's attention has shifted onto the system.
---
Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption.
DISAGREE. Allegations of corruption were one of the exact reasons VAR was brought in to begin with. As above, if now that whiff is stronger, it's because with the benefit of VAR some decisions become even more indefensible.
posted on 15/5/24
Nothing wrong with VAR. But they need to separate pgmol from it. Get outsiders in and scrap clear n obvious. Also bring in foreign refs. Buddy buddy pgmol shouldnt be a thing.
posted on 15/5/24
comment by LIW We’re Going Up As f@ck@ing Champion... (U8453)
posted 6 minutes ago
No chance Liverpool are voting for it to be scrapped 🤦
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And why would that be? You seem to think Liverpool are some sort of beneficiary of VAR?
You're laughable.
Oh, about time you changed your screen name
posted on 15/5/24
TV companies will put their foot down so it won't be scrapped. They own football, and to remove var will lessen the 'entertainment' value that they pay for.
posted on 15/5/24
Tech is fine, train the moron officials on how to review properly.
posted on 15/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
Tech is fine, train the moron officials on how to review properly.
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Not sure about the tech being fine. The implementation of the 'lines' is a joke. Europe seem to have got it a lot better, maybe not perfect but their system for offsides is light years ahead of ours.
posted on 15/5/24
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
VAR ain't the issue, it is the corrupt people using it is the issue.
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Or incompetent or both....
posted on 15/5/24
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
Tech is fine, train the moron officials on how to review properly.
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Not sure about the tech being fine. The implementation of the 'lines' is a joke. Europe seem to have got it a lot better, maybe not perfect but their system for offsides is light years ahead of ours.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The lines disappear next season because of the semi automated offside so it's now all about training the officials to utilise existing tech better and more quickly.
VAR stays.
posted on 15/5/24
The only people who matter, are the fans who actually go regular to games.
Whether the the decision is right or wrong, its change the experience of the match going fans, for the worst.
Unless the decision is instant, it makes the game worse, and needs scrapping.
posted on 15/5/24
Semi automated offsides and did the ball cross the line, not just for goals, but all-round the pitch.
Black and white decisions basically.
posted on 15/5/24
Whether we keep VAR or scrap it, referees will continue to make stupid decisions. The R in VAR stands for Referee. Referees were there before VAR and they'll be there long after if that comes to pass.
It's the Refs that need an over haul not the technology
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