You just don't know until they are in job. There is no magic formula to choosing a manager. I think we were all pleased with the choice of ETH, but it hasn't turned out well. Most of the time it will probably not turn out well, that's just football.
It can be hard to follow a manager who has had success, but will just need to wait and see
Liverpool are in for a bumpy ride but they won't regress as badly as we did. Their club is far better than than ours was/is under the parasites. All we can hope is INEOS are going to right a lot of their wrongs over next 2-3 years.
Who knows man. I think if he comes in and keeps us in the top 4 id take that for a 1st season in a new league. There arent many who have come into the premier league for the 1st time and absolutely tore it up from the off. Mourinho ancellotti and conte only 1s that spring to mind for me. Fack even pep took a season to adjust.
Theres a decent enough squad there that with a couple of additions should see us still competitive. If we are dropping out top 4 (or 5 as it may be next season) then its been a bit of a disaster really.
Can’t really say much other than that?
Coaches and players from Netherlands are a massive gamble. Rarely do coaches do well, and players only fare slightly better.
Liverpool could have another ETH or if the recruitment has been done correctly, then they could actually have a suitable replacement.
A bit different. They have a younger squad and have probably picked a more suitable manager. Plus they probably won't make Felleini their only summer signing.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
Liverpool are in for a bumpy ride but they won't regress as badly as we did. Their club is far better than than ours was/is under the parasites. All we can hope is INEOS are going to right a lot of their wrongs over next 2-3 years.
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If we're being honest, I don't ans can't see the bumpy ride. They've clearly done their homework on how not to chit the bed like us by watching us as they chit the bed 30 years ago.
Klopp has left a squad that's in good condition compared our ageing lads.
comment by Mellor, Lovely Cushioned Header, FOR GERRARD, ... (U1859)
posted 2 minutes ago
Who knows man. I think if he comes in and keeps us in the top 4 id take that for a 1st season in a new league. There arent many who have come into the premier league for the 1st time and absolutely tore it up from the off. Mourinho ancellotti and conte only 1s that spring to mind for me. Fack even pep took a season to adjust.
Theres a decent enough squad there that with a couple of additions should see us still competitive. If we are dropping out top 4 (or 5 as it may be next season) then its been a bit of a disaster really.
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Yep this, Even Pep came 4th in his debut season
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 9 seconds ago
A bit different. They have a younger squad and have probably picked a more suitable manager. Plus they probably won't make Felleini their only summer signing.
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Beat me to it๐
Did SAF really leave that old a team?
De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Valencia, Young, Rafael, Cleverley, Anderson, Welbeck, Nani were still quite young and had won the league the previous season. Also had Janujaz coming through. We did have Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra to eventually move in soon but Liverpool will have VVD, Matip etc too..
Up front we had RVP after the season of his life so should have hoped for one or two more.
Had we recruited sensibly whilst on top we should still have been ok IMO.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 11 minutes ago
Did SAF really leave that old a team?
De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Valencia, Young, Rafael, Cleverley, Anderson, Welbeck, Nani were still quite young and had won the league the previous season. Also had Janujaz coming through. We did have Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra to eventually move in soon but Liverpool will have VVD, Matip etc too..
Up front we had RVP after the season of his life so should have hoped for one or two more.
Had we recruited sensibly whilst on top we should still have been ok IMO.
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Fair points Diafol. But I guess the quality is the question.
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 11 minutes ago
Did SAF really leave that old a team?
De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Valencia, Young, Rafael, Cleverley, Anderson, Welbeck, Nani were still quite young and had won the league the previous season. Also had Janujaz coming through. We did have Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra to eventually move in soon but Liverpool will have VVD, Matip etc too..
Up front we had RVP after the season of his life so should have hoped for one or two more.
Had we recruited sensibly whilst on top we should still have been ok IMO.
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Fair points Diafol. But I guess the quality is the question.
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Smalling and Jones were tipped to have bright futures for example, much like Liverpool's current crop. Their fans will hope Slot manages them well.
The main thing that United team needed, in that season IMO, was a midfield refresh. Something SAF had failed to do for years. Two high quality players. I think a more high profile manager, in that time, gets someone like a Kroos or Fabregas. Gundogan, Modric, Vidal etc may have been available then too.
The season after winning the league was an epic failure on so many levels.
Liverpool, have a good team still, maybe a couple of additions and they are good to go... but he might have a bit of turbulence implementing his philosophy, which is to be expected.
But I don’t expect a major fall off from them.
But with the two most successful clubs, expectations are high, and not a lot of time is given before the hounds start howling.
With UTD, the damage done by the Glazers and Ed Woodward is off the scale. Liverpool were accused of standing still in the 90s... but it’s nothing like UTDs.
And what I can’t stand is the spin game and Jedi mind tricks, which we ain’t falling for.
I do hope Ineos and Sir Jim can bring change, but
The Glazers are still in power, and they need to be gone.
From what I’ve read about Slot, I’d say the club have gone for someone in the same mould as Klopp without trying to ‘clone’ him. He’s done well to compete with the traditional Eredivisie powerhouses, has improved players and seems a very popular figure at the club.
The club have recruited well behind the scenes and I believe Slot is purely going to be a coach which should take a lot of pressure off him. Even if he doesn’t work out I don’t think the club can be overly criticised as on paper they’ve possibly got the best available coach for the job.
I don’t know anything about the new Liverpool manager but I knew all I needed to know about Moyes to know he was the wrong man for the job.
Jose should have been the one to replace SAF.
Had we recruited sensibly whilst on top we should still have been ok IMO.
……..
That first window under Moyes should have told us all of the bad things to come. Paying way over the top for the Grootster.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t know anything about the new Liverpool manager but I knew all I needed to know about Moyes to know he was the wrong man for the job.
Jose should have been the one to replace SAF.
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Agreed, But I always said, did anyone at UTD question SAF. The man was leaving… surely you do your due diligence and just ask, ‘Is Moyes the right answer?’
I believe they left it to SAF, and felt, well, if this goes wrong we can all blame SAF.
No, you are the new CEO, it’s on your head, what SAF did was suggest Moyes, he didn’t give him the contract.
It was just lazy bone idleness.
Then you let a man who hasn’t won Jack, sack the entire coaching staff that’s been used to winning/competing and rip up the winning culture.
But hey, Rio/ Vidic here’s a Phil Jagielka DVD on how to defend. Fack off
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Had we recruited sensibly whilst on top we should still have been ok IMO.
……..
That first window under Moyes should have told us all of the bad things to come. Paying way over the top for the Grootster.
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And remember the foolishness trying to get Hernandez!
And just like that, clubs/ceo’s all over the world said, we can scam UTD, cos they don’t have a clue how this works….
But hey, Rio/ Vidic here’s a Phil Jagielka DVD on how to defend. Fack off
—
My hats been exposed as a myth hasn’t it? It’s a bit like macca dying halfway through writing a post and yet still
Somehow posting it, or rooney and the grandmot…ah wait
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 10 minutes ago
But hey, Rio/ Vidic here’s a Phil Jagielka DVD on how to defend. Fack off
—
My hats been exposed as a myth hasn’t it? It’s a bit like macca dying halfway through writing a post and yet still
Somehow posting it, or rooney and the grandmot…ah wait
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Macca posted a few days after that though. It was after that one that he disappeared.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/308375
Baz
The above was the last Macca article and references when he fell asleep mid post .
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 10 minutes ago
But hey, Rio/ Vidic here’s a Phil Jagielka DVD on how to defend. Fack off
—
My hats been exposed as a myth hasn’t it? It’s a bit like macca dying halfway through writing a post and yet still
Somehow posting it, or rooney and the grandmot…ah wait
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Macca posted a few days after that though. It was after that one that he disappeared.
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/308375
Baz
The above was the last Macca article and references when he fell asleep mid post .
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Dunc is on that too, wonder what happened to him?
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/308375
Baz
The above was the last Macca article and references when he fell asleep mid post .
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Dunc is on that too, wonder what happened to him?
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Dunc or Dinc as Macca called him, is probably posting under the name of Pun.
Sadly, I did a bit of digging and poor Macca did actually die a few months later. His wife has since remarried a City fan...
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posted on 20/5/24
You just don't know until they are in job. There is no magic formula to choosing a manager. I think we were all pleased with the choice of ETH, but it hasn't turned out well. Most of the time it will probably not turn out well, that's just football.
It can be hard to follow a manager who has had success, but will just need to wait and see
posted on 20/5/24
Liverpool are in for a bumpy ride but they won't regress as badly as we did. Their club is far better than than ours was/is under the parasites. All we can hope is INEOS are going to right a lot of their wrongs over next 2-3 years.
posted on 20/5/24
Who knows man. I think if he comes in and keeps us in the top 4 id take that for a 1st season in a new league. There arent many who have come into the premier league for the 1st time and absolutely tore it up from the off. Mourinho ancellotti and conte only 1s that spring to mind for me. Fack even pep took a season to adjust.
Theres a decent enough squad there that with a couple of additions should see us still competitive. If we are dropping out top 4 (or 5 as it may be next season) then its been a bit of a disaster really.
posted on 20/5/24
Can’t really say much other than that?
Coaches and players from Netherlands are a massive gamble. Rarely do coaches do well, and players only fare slightly better.
Liverpool could have another ETH or if the recruitment has been done correctly, then they could actually have a suitable replacement.
posted on 20/5/24
A bit different. They have a younger squad and have probably picked a more suitable manager. Plus they probably won't make Felleini their only summer signing.
posted on 20/5/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
Liverpool are in for a bumpy ride but they won't regress as badly as we did. Their club is far better than than ours was/is under the parasites. All we can hope is INEOS are going to right a lot of their wrongs over next 2-3 years.
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If we're being honest, I don't ans can't see the bumpy ride. They've clearly done their homework on how not to chit the bed like us by watching us as they chit the bed 30 years ago.
Klopp has left a squad that's in good condition compared our ageing lads.
posted on 20/5/24
comment by Mellor, Lovely Cushioned Header, FOR GERRARD, ... (U1859)
posted 2 minutes ago
Who knows man. I think if he comes in and keeps us in the top 4 id take that for a 1st season in a new league. There arent many who have come into the premier league for the 1st time and absolutely tore it up from the off. Mourinho ancellotti and conte only 1s that spring to mind for me. Fack even pep took a season to adjust.
Theres a decent enough squad there that with a couple of additions should see us still competitive. If we are dropping out top 4 (or 5 as it may be next season) then its been a bit of a disaster really.
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Yep this, Even Pep came 4th in his debut season
posted on 20/5/24
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 9 seconds ago
A bit different. They have a younger squad and have probably picked a more suitable manager. Plus they probably won't make Felleini their only summer signing.
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Beat me to it๐
posted on 20/5/24
Did SAF really leave that old a team?
De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Valencia, Young, Rafael, Cleverley, Anderson, Welbeck, Nani were still quite young and had won the league the previous season. Also had Janujaz coming through. We did have Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra to eventually move in soon but Liverpool will have VVD, Matip etc too..
Up front we had RVP after the season of his life so should have hoped for one or two more.
Had we recruited sensibly whilst on top we should still have been ok IMO.
posted on 20/5/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 11 minutes ago
Did SAF really leave that old a team?
De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Valencia, Young, Rafael, Cleverley, Anderson, Welbeck, Nani were still quite young and had won the league the previous season. Also had Janujaz coming through. We did have Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra to eventually move in soon but Liverpool will have VVD, Matip etc too..
Up front we had RVP after the season of his life so should have hoped for one or two more.
Had we recruited sensibly whilst on top we should still have been ok IMO.
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Fair points Diafol. But I guess the quality is the question.
posted on 20/5/24
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 11 minutes ago
Did SAF really leave that old a team?
De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Valencia, Young, Rafael, Cleverley, Anderson, Welbeck, Nani were still quite young and had won the league the previous season. Also had Janujaz coming through. We did have Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra to eventually move in soon but Liverpool will have VVD, Matip etc too..
Up front we had RVP after the season of his life so should have hoped for one or two more.
Had we recruited sensibly whilst on top we should still have been ok IMO.
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Fair points Diafol. But I guess the quality is the question.
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Smalling and Jones were tipped to have bright futures for example, much like Liverpool's current crop. Their fans will hope Slot manages them well.
The main thing that United team needed, in that season IMO, was a midfield refresh. Something SAF had failed to do for years. Two high quality players. I think a more high profile manager, in that time, gets someone like a Kroos or Fabregas. Gundogan, Modric, Vidal etc may have been available then too.
The season after winning the league was an epic failure on so many levels.
posted on 20/5/24
Liverpool, have a good team still, maybe a couple of additions and they are good to go... but he might have a bit of turbulence implementing his philosophy, which is to be expected.
But I don’t expect a major fall off from them.
But with the two most successful clubs, expectations are high, and not a lot of time is given before the hounds start howling.
With UTD, the damage done by the Glazers and Ed Woodward is off the scale. Liverpool were accused of standing still in the 90s... but it’s nothing like UTDs.
And what I can’t stand is the spin game and Jedi mind tricks, which we ain’t falling for.
I do hope Ineos and Sir Jim can bring change, but
The Glazers are still in power, and they need to be gone.
posted on 20/5/24
From what I’ve read about Slot, I’d say the club have gone for someone in the same mould as Klopp without trying to ‘clone’ him. He’s done well to compete with the traditional Eredivisie powerhouses, has improved players and seems a very popular figure at the club.
The club have recruited well behind the scenes and I believe Slot is purely going to be a coach which should take a lot of pressure off him. Even if he doesn’t work out I don’t think the club can be overly criticised as on paper they’ve possibly got the best available coach for the job.
posted on 20/5/24
I don’t know anything about the new Liverpool manager but I knew all I needed to know about Moyes to know he was the wrong man for the job.
Jose should have been the one to replace SAF.
posted on 20/5/24
Had we recruited sensibly whilst on top we should still have been ok IMO.
……..
That first window under Moyes should have told us all of the bad things to come. Paying way over the top for the Grootster.
posted on 20/5/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t know anything about the new Liverpool manager but I knew all I needed to know about Moyes to know he was the wrong man for the job.
Jose should have been the one to replace SAF.
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Agreed, But I always said, did anyone at UTD question SAF. The man was leaving… surely you do your due diligence and just ask, ‘Is Moyes the right answer?’
I believe they left it to SAF, and felt, well, if this goes wrong we can all blame SAF.
No, you are the new CEO, it’s on your head, what SAF did was suggest Moyes, he didn’t give him the contract.
It was just lazy bone idleness.
Then you let a man who hasn’t won Jack, sack the entire coaching staff that’s been used to winning/competing and rip up the winning culture.
But hey, Rio/ Vidic here’s a Phil Jagielka DVD on how to defend. Fack off
posted on 20/5/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Had we recruited sensibly whilst on top we should still have been ok IMO.
……..
That first window under Moyes should have told us all of the bad things to come. Paying way over the top for the Grootster.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And remember the foolishness trying to get Hernandez!
And just like that, clubs/ceo’s all over the world said, we can scam UTD, cos they don’t have a clue how this works….
posted on 20/5/24
But hey, Rio/ Vidic here’s a Phil Jagielka DVD on how to defend. Fack off
—
My hats been exposed as a myth hasn’t it? It’s a bit like macca dying halfway through writing a post and yet still
Somehow posting it, or rooney and the grandmot…ah wait
posted on 20/5/24
Thats* ffs
posted on 20/5/24
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 10 minutes ago
But hey, Rio/ Vidic here’s a Phil Jagielka DVD on how to defend. Fack off
—
My hats been exposed as a myth hasn’t it? It’s a bit like macca dying halfway through writing a post and yet still
Somehow posting it, or rooney and the grandmot…ah wait
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Macca posted a few days after that though. It was after that one that he disappeared.
posted on 20/5/24
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/308375
Baz
The above was the last Macca article and references when he fell asleep mid post .
posted on 20/5/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 10 minutes ago
But hey, Rio/ Vidic here’s a Phil Jagielka DVD on how to defend. Fack off
—
My hats been exposed as a myth hasn’t it? It’s a bit like macca dying halfway through writing a post and yet still
Somehow posting it, or rooney and the grandmot…ah wait
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Macca posted a few days after that though. It was after that one that he disappeared.
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posted on 20/5/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/308375
Baz
The above was the last Macca article and references when he fell asleep mid post .
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Dunc is on that too, wonder what happened to him?
posted on 20/5/24
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/308375
Baz
The above was the last Macca article and references when he fell asleep mid post .
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Dunc is on that too, wonder what happened to him?
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Dunc or Dinc as Macca called him, is probably posting under the name of Pun.
posted on 20/5/24
Sadly, I did a bit of digging and poor Macca did actually die a few months later. His wife has since remarried a City fan...
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