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posted on 22/5/24

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
MF: Oihan Sancet (Athletic Bilbao)
MF: Mikel Merino (Real Sociedad)
MF: Fabian Ruiz (PSG)
MF: Alex Baena (Villarreal)
MF: Rodri (Manchester City)
MF: Martin Zubimendi (Real Sociedad)

Don’t know much about most of those bar Rodri and Zubimendi (who Id like Liverpool to sign).
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in terms of how they play together , they will give spain far more midfield control in matches than england have ever had

do you actually watch england play objectively ?

when england had the much vaunted scholes. lampard, gerard, cole midfield against decent teams how much midfield control did they ever have ?

it's not just about individuals, it's about how players associate on the pitch...football culture

england will never control midfield like spain...it's just not in the footballing culture

posted on 22/5/24

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 46 minutes ago
We've had quality squads and with better managers and still not won. Naive to think France are the only team we have to worry about too. Germany are going to be up there.
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Germany won’t make the semis - happy to bet that right now

posted on 22/5/24

For once I agree with you Peks, although I feel that is changing in England and players are demonstrably more technical.

I’d go Rice, Bellingham and then one from Foden, Grealish or Palmer myself.

posted on 22/5/24

comment by Peks Targaryen - zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor... (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
MF: Oihan Sancet (Athletic Bilbao)
MF: Mikel Merino (Real Sociedad)
MF: Fabian Ruiz (PSG)
MF: Alex Baena (Villarreal)
MF: Rodri (Manchester City)
MF: Martin Zubimendi (Real Sociedad)

Don’t know much about most of those bar Rodri and Zubimendi (who Id like Liverpool to sign).
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in terms of how they play together , they will give spain far more midfield control in matches than england have ever had

do you actually watch england play objectively ?

when england had the much vaunted scholes. lampard, gerard, cole midfield against decent teams how much midfield control did they ever have ?

it's not just about individuals, it's about how players associate on the pitch...football culture

england will never control midfield like spain...it's just not in the footballing culture
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Nonsense. The players are capable of playing any playstyle. You need a manager to set you up that way to actually do it. You think if Klopp or Guardiola, even Arteta was manager of England they'd be playing the defensive dross they serve up? They'd be controlling games and attacking, the same way countries with good managers do.

When England had Gerrard, Scholes, Lampard and Scholes they still had dinosaur managers, they always have dinosaur managers as it's what they seem to prefer. Only in that time they were trying to play a 4-4-2 and coming undone when up against good teams with three in midfield.

England are always behind the curve internationally. Not so much domestically because of the foreign managers.

posted on 22/5/24

comment by Peks Targaryen - zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor ("a dragon is not a slave" (U6618)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - Laughing at Arsenals nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
Let’s look at some of the others

Spain - slightly better defence than England, slightly worse midfield, wide attacking players rival Englands, striker is absolutely honking compared to Kane

Italy - have you seen that frontline, Raspadori, Pellegrini and Aston Villa sub Zaniolo. The midfield has some quality - Barrella is a class player and we know they can defend better than most, but they have next to zero talent up top and England dearth with them comfortably in the qualifiers

Germany - for some reason a few fancy Germany because they are at home, ignoring that their team is painfully average. From the midfield up I’m not sure they have a player that would get in our squad, Kimmich maybe and he has suffered badly post Covid. They are just going through a big transition and are weak currently.

Portugal - best of the rest no doubt and I would be very nervous playing them, especially with their record against us. However, Pepe and Ronaldo still start, half their squad plays for Wolves and Goncalves is good, but he is no Kane. Felix has never lived up to the hype either.

Croatia - they have to be included in the chat as no matter how old they get they always are very competitive - although they seem to prefer the World Cup. They will be a real handful and I would prefer to avoid them, but they are so old now and Modric doesn’t start anymore for real, Perisic has had horrific injuries and they still lack a clinical striker

Holland - Bergwijn, Depay and Weghorst all get game time - what more do I need to say
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spain always have a better midfield than england...always

it's the defining feature of spanish football
midfield control

you need to correct that comment
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Spains top team virtually operate without Spanish midfielder.

You don’t have a player as good Bellingham in there. Rice has shown that there isn’t much between him and Rodri. I am sure Spain will have a tidy passer in there that is better than Gallagher but it won’t be keeping England up at night, we’ve a midfield that can get stuck into yours.

I really hope we get to play Spain at this tournament, I think we will wipe the floor with them

posted on 22/5/24

Like when we had Sven and Capello TOOR?

posted on 22/5/24

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Peks Targaryen - zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor ("a dragon is not a slave"(U6618)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - Laughing at Arsenals nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
Let’s look at some of the others

Spain - slightly better defence than England, slightly worse midfield, wide attacking players rival Englands, striker is absolutely honking compared to Kane

Italy - have you seen that frontline, Raspadori, Pellegrini and Aston Villa sub Zaniolo. The midfield has some quality - Barrella is a class player and we know they can defend better than most, but they have next to zero talent up top and England dearth with them comfortably in the qualifiers

Germany - for some reason a few fancy Germany because they are at home, ignoring that their team is painfully average. From the midfield up I’m not sure they have a player that would get in our squad, Kimmich maybe and he has suffered badly post Covid. They are just going through a big transition and are weak currently.

Portugal - best of the rest no doubt and I would be very nervous playing them, especially with their record against us. However, Pepe and Ronaldo still start, half their squad plays for Wolves and Goncalves is good, but he is no Kane. Felix has never lived up to the hype either.

Croatia - they have to be included in the chat as no matter how old they get they always are very competitive - although they seem to prefer the World Cup. They will be a real handful and I would prefer to avoid them, but they are so old now and Modric doesn’t start anymore for real, Perisic has had horrific injuries and they still lack a clinical striker

Holland - Bergwijn, Depay and Weghorst all get game time - what more do I need to say
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spain always have a better midfield than england...always

it's the defining feature of spanish football
midfield control

you need to correct that comment
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Yup and on that basis you would have to be clueless to think that Spain are a counter attacking team.
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Spain defend through Possession, they just don’t let you have the ball.

The problem is that it can render their attack ineffective as the oppo sit deep, defend well and then go route one - Morocco tucked them up last time out

posted on 22/5/24

Plus the quite simple fact that no-one, at any point, said Spain were a counter attacking team

posted on 22/5/24

comment by Striketeam7 - Laughing at Arsenals nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Peks Targaryen - zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor ("a dragon is not a slave"(U6618)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - Laughing at Arsenals nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
Let’s look at some of the others

Spain - slightly better defence than England, slightly worse midfield, wide attacking players rival Englands, striker is absolutely honking compared to Kane

Italy - have you seen that frontline, Raspadori, Pellegrini and Aston Villa sub Zaniolo. The midfield has some quality - Barrella is a class player and we know they can defend better than most, but they have next to zero talent up top and England dearth with them comfortably in the qualifiers

Germany - for some reason a few fancy Germany because they are at home, ignoring that their team is painfully average. From the midfield up I’m not sure they have a player that would get in our squad, Kimmich maybe and he has suffered badly post Covid. They are just going through a big transition and are weak currently.

Portugal - best of the rest no doubt and I would be very nervous playing them, especially with their record against us. However, Pepe and Ronaldo still start, half their squad plays for Wolves and Goncalves is good, but he is no Kane. Felix has never lived up to the hype either.

Croatia - they have to be included in the chat as no matter how old they get they always are very competitive - although they seem to prefer the World Cup. They will be a real handful and I would prefer to avoid them, but they are so old now and Modric doesn’t start anymore for real, Perisic has had horrific injuries and they still lack a clinical striker

Holland - Bergwijn, Depay and Weghorst all get game time - what more do I need to say
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spain always have a better midfield than england...always

it's the defining feature of spanish football
midfield control

you need to correct that comment
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Spains top team virtually operate without Spanish midfielder.

You don’t have a player as good Bellingham in there. Rice has shown that there isn’t much between him and Rodri. I am sure Spain will have a tidy passer in there that is better than Gallagher but it won’t be keeping England up at night, we’ve a midfield that can get stuck into yours.

I really hope we get to play Spain at this tournament, I think we will wipe the floor with them
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Rabiot has shown you dont need to be that great to boss englands midfield

posted on 22/5/24

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Plus the quite simple fact that no-one, at any point, said Spain were a counter attacking team
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dont be logging out to read the comments of guys that you filtered. that defeats the purpose of filtering.

defo dont then reply to that person !!

posted on 22/5/24

and you defo thought that Spain were a counter attacking team .... cringe

posted on 22/5/24

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cus... (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
Like when we had Sven and Capello TOOR?
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Exactly, dinosaurs.

posted on 22/5/24

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cus... (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
Like when we had Sven and Capello TOOR?
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Exactly, dinosaurs.
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I feel the truth is somewhere in the middle. I think culturally the British game has a far bigger focus on power, even now, just look at the City team Pep has put together.

I also think Peks is right, that Spain culturally have a focus on technical ability over power.

That’s changing though, especially with less and less contact in the game.

posted on 22/5/24

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cus... (U6374)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cus... (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
Like when we had Sven and Capello TOOR?
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Exactly, dinosaurs.
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I feel the truth is somewhere in the middle. I think culturally the British game has a far bigger focus on power, even now, just look at the City team Pep has put together.

I also think Peks is right, that Spain culturally have a focus on technical ability over power.

That’s changing though, especially with less and less contact in the game.
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Of course but it doesn't mean you get a load of powerful players in the team without and technique or that Spain should get a load of technical players without any power. Players and coaches are multinational now. They learn things in other countries and you get a blend of style.

It's very simple. You have a group of players, you play to their strengths. England have some quick and powerful players of course but they also have great technical players, one who can't get a look in, in TAA. Foden who has mostly been on the bench.

A manager with a modern approach has them dominating games and the defence don't have to worry too much. By all means shut up shop a little when playing the better sides if it's needed, personally I don't think it is. The players are there. However with a dinosaur approach the players will get you far but not far enough to win as you will come up against other top players but with a modern approach.

posted on 22/5/24

Can someone suggest a name change forfeit for Strikemug when England inevitably go out to someone (other than France) in the Semi's

posted on 22/5/24

Only just seen this so don’t know if it’s been asked. Is picking the top two teams in the betting really putting your balls on the line?

posted on 22/5/24

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 3 minutes ago
Only just seen this so don’t know if it’s been asked. Is picking the top two teams in the betting really putting your balls on the line?
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posted on 22/5/24

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Only just seen this so don’t know if it’s been asked. Is picking the top two teams in the betting really putting your balls on the line?
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See comment above yours - Rusty does t think it will turn out this way and plenty on here don’t.

I’m all for the Mocking but rather than sitting in the fence, pull the tweezers out and tell us how you think it will all turn out

posted on 22/5/24

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Can someone suggest a name change forfeit for Strikemug when England inevitably go out to someone (other than France) in the Semi's
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How about we do a bet, if I’m right you can be “the turncoats rusty sheriffs badge, Chelsea fan since 2003”

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