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posted on 24/6/24

It's tricky at the moment as players at are the Euros or Copa America.

SO if you take Eze for example, If England make the Euro Final, that's 14 July. Then the guy will get a couple weeks rest. Same for Toney. Same for the likes of Ederson (brazil) Giminez (Mexico)

Anyone going far in either comp will barely be available until August at the earliest, and deals generally will not be finalise while on international duty.

Therefore a bit harsh to judge getting players in before pre-season starts

posted on 24/6/24

Depends who is making the calls on a) what the analytics/scouting teams should be looking for (i.e. setting its strategic and tactical remit), and b) ultimately which players to chase.

The analytics and scouting units could be churning out great work, but if they’ve been instructed to focus on the ‘wrong’ kind of player or prioritise the wrong positions, or their output is being ignored, they can’t be blamed for a failed transfer strategy.

United’s scouting network is a perfect example. It has received dog’s abuse from United fans for years, despite the fact that those who were paying attention could see that the problem wasn’t the scouting unit’s output (because they were identifying and recommending the right kind of players); it was the hierarchy ignoring that output and instead chasing the wrong players.

posted on 24/6/24

^ Obviously if Munn and Lange are setting the terms and the ones instructing the negotiating team, then assuming the latter can do its job, yeah, it’ll be on them.

posted on 24/6/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 31 minutes ago
It's tricky at the moment as players at are the Euros or Copa America.

SO if you take Eze for example, If England make the Euro Final, that's 14 July. Then the guy will get a couple weeks rest. Same for Toney. Same for the likes of Ederson (brazil) Giminez (Mexico)

Anyone going far in either comp will barely be available until August at the earliest, and deals generally will not be finalise while on international duty.

Therefore a bit harsh to judge getting players in before pre-season starts
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Additionally, it’s just not how it works. What If Eze is Ange’s first choice? Arsenal, United and Chelsea are all supposedly keen as well - we can’t just force the sale through we have to bide our time and see what the player wants/if other clubs get bored.

I’m far more relaxed about this window time wise as we don’t have loads of gaps to plug, it’s more about improving the first 11 - a top DM and either a striker or wide forward. If we have those 2 positions sorted, plus cover at full back, then I will be happy going into the season.

posted on 24/6/24

comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s ... (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 31 minutes ago
It's tricky at the moment as players at are the Euros or Copa America.

SO if you take Eze for example, If England make the Euro Final, that's 14 July. Then the guy will get a couple weeks rest. Same for Toney. Same for the likes of Ederson (brazil) Giminez (Mexico)

Anyone going far in either comp will barely be available until August at the earliest, and deals generally will not be finalise while on international duty.

Therefore a bit harsh to judge getting players in before pre-season starts
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Additionally, it’s just not how it works. What If Eze is Ange’s first choice? Arsenal, United and Chelsea are all supposedly keen as well - we can’t just force the sale through we have to bide our time and see what the player wants/if other clubs get bored.

I’m far more relaxed about this window time wise as we don’t have loads of gaps to plug, it’s more about improving the first 11 - a top DM and either a striker or wide forward. If we have those 2 positions sorted, plus cover at full back, then I will be happy going into the season.
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Yeah. I agree.


It was not as if there was so much wrong with the XI that we needed major surgery.

The problems came over the course of the season as injuries/fatigue/suspensions/form took their toll and the drop off to the next player was too great to maintain our levels

If the likes of Toney and or Eze came in 'late' then that's fine, they have time to find their feet as long as the current XI are fit and firing

posted on 24/6/24

If fact, i cannot see any of our major signings (FWD, AM, CM/DM) coming in any time soon.

May be some fringe players come in, as we do deals for the likes of Emerson, Rodon, Gil, Skipp?

posted on 24/6/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s ... (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 31 minutes ago
It's tricky at the moment as players at are the Euros or Copa America.

SO if you take Eze for example, If England make the Euro Final, that's 14 July. Then the guy will get a couple weeks rest. Same for Toney. Same for the likes of Ederson (brazil) Giminez (Mexico)

Anyone going far in either comp will barely be available until August at the earliest, and deals generally will not be finalise while on international duty.

Therefore a bit harsh to judge getting players in before pre-season starts
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Additionally, it’s just not how it works. What If Eze is Ange’s first choice? Arsenal, United and Chelsea are all supposedly keen as well - we can’t just force the sale through we have to bide our time and see what the player wants/if other clubs get bored.

I’m far more relaxed about this window time wise as we don’t have loads of gaps to plug, it’s more about improving the first 11 - a top DM and either a striker or wide forward. If we have those 2 positions sorted, plus cover at full back, then I will be happy going into the season.
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Yeah. I agree.


It was not as if there was so much wrong with the XI that we needed major surgery.

The problems came over the course of the season as injuries/fatigue/suspensions/form took their toll and the drop off to the next player was too great to maintain our levels

If the likes of Toney and or Eze came in 'late' then that's fine, they have time to find their feet as long as the current XI are fit and firing
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Yeah, for me it’s just about getting players Ange is happy with. If it takes them a few weeks to get up to speed then so be it. The likes of Ederson, Eze, Toney, Doue - they are going to have other suitors and we are not automatically first choice

posted on 24/6/24

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
If fact, i cannot see any of our major signings (FWD, AM, CM/DM) coming in any time soon.

May be some fringe players come in, as we do deals for the likes of Emerson, Rodon, Gil, Skipp?
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PEH as well - I suspect Germany will pump Denmark on saturday

posted on 24/6/24

Im worried we are very short at the minute on bodies that is without upgrading the team.

posted on 24/6/24

100% Levy will still be meddling

posted on 24/6/24

comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 25 minutes ago
Im worried we are very short at the minute on bodies that is without upgrading the team.

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Really

Forgetting keeper, we have:


Porro
Royal
Spence
Dragusin
Romero
VDV
Rodon
Phillips
Dorrington
Vuskovic
Davies
Udogie
Bentancur
Bissouma
Sarr
Skip
PEH
Maddison
Bergvall
Lo Celso
Kulu
Johnson
Solomon
Son
Werner
Richarlison
Veliz
Scarlett

28 outfield players still currently. Obviously some will go - but others will come in.

What we need to do is upgrade the first 11 - another prolific forward and a top DM. After that it’s just ensuring that we have adequate back up for Porro and Udogie - unless we can again improve on those positions

posted on 24/6/24

comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 2 minutes ago
100% Levy will still be meddling
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Absolutely, he won’t want to pay above £60m for Eze whilst simultaneously wanting at least £25m for Skipp. He can’t help himself.

comment by Hengy (U9129)

posted on 24/6/24

comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 25 minutes ago
Im worried we are very short at the minute on bodies that is without upgrading the team.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really

Forgetting keeper, we have:


Porro
Royal
Spence
Dragusin
Romero
VDV
Rodon
Phillips
Dorrington
Vuskovic
Davies
Udogie
Bentancur
Bissouma
Sarr
Skip
PEH
Maddison
Bergvall
Lo Celso
Kulu
Johnson
Solomon
Son
Werner
Richarlison
Veliz
Scarlett

28 outfield players still currently. Obviously some will go - but others will come in.

What we need to do is upgrade the first 11 - another prolific forward and a top DM. After that it’s just ensuring that we have adequate back up for Porro and Udogie - unless we can again improve on those positions
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Why have you put Vuskovic? Guy can’t even play for another 2 or 3 years for us

posted on 24/6/24

Think it's well known it is a collective thing buying players. Don't forget Paratici's role, as well as scouts.

Ange will have final say as well.

To earmark two potential scapegoats is abit short sighted.

posted on 24/6/24

comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 25 minutes ago
Im worried we are very short at the minute on bodies that is without upgrading the team.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really

Forgetting keeper, we have:


Porro
Royal
Spence
Dragusin
Romero
VDV
Rodon
Phillips
Dorrington
Vuskovic
Davies
Udogie
Bentancur
Bissouma
Sarr
Skip
PEH
Maddison
Bergvall
Lo Celso
Kulu
Johnson
Solomon
Son
Werner
Richarlison
Veliz
Scarlett

28 outfield players still currently. Obviously some will go - but others will come in.

What we need to do is upgrade the first 11 - another prolific forward and a top DM. After that it’s just ensuring that we have adequate back up for Porro and Udogie - unless we can again improve on those positions
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Exactly this...sign starters and relegated last season starters to rotation. That's how we improve.

Richarlison needs competition if he stays. We don't need to spend big. Gimenez will be good enough for 20 goals a season with right service. Need a better RW..Johnson is a rotational player against tired legs.(we paid too much, should have bought Marcus Edwards instead and used 30m difference for other positions).

posted on 24/6/24

comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 25 minutes ago
Im worried we are very short at the minute on bodies that is without upgrading the team.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really

Forgetting keeper, we have:


Porro
Royal
Spence
Dragusin
Romero
VDV
Rodon
Phillips
Dorrington
Vuskovic
Davies
Udogie
Bentancur
Bissouma
Sarr
Skip
PEH
Maddison
Bergvall
Lo Celso
Kulu
Johnson
Solomon
Son
Werner
Richarlison
Veliz
Scarlett

28 outfield players still currently. Obviously some will go - but others will come in.

What we need to do is upgrade the first 11 - another prolific forward and a top DM. After that it’s just ensuring that we have adequate back up for Porro and Udogie - unless we can again improve on those positions
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Exactly this...sign starters and relegated last season starters to rotation. That's how we improve.

Richarlison needs competition if he stays. We don't need to spend big. Gimenez will be good enough for 20 goals a season with right service. Need a better RW..Johnson is a rotational player against tired legs.(we paid too much, should have bought Marcus Edwards instead and used 30m difference for other positions).
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Johnson has had a decent first season for us.

He has 10 PL assists this season, which is joint 3rd behind Watkins (13) and Cole Palmer (11). We may have overpaid for him but there is more development to come from him

Edwards had less goals and assists in a weaker league within which he is well established.

posted on 24/6/24

Not sure all the obvious upgrades in the OP are that obvious. Lo Celso and Ndombele were obvious.. They need to be the right players for the right money. I'm pretty chill about our recruitment right now tbh.

I reckon we'll see lots of movement after the Euros and Copa.

posted on 24/6/24

comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 25 minutes ago
Im worried we are very short at the minute on bodies that is without upgrading the team.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really

Forgetting keeper, we have:


Porro
Royal
Spence
Dragusin
Romero
VDV
Rodon
Phillips
Dorrington
Vuskovic
Davies
Udogie
Bentancur
Bissouma
Sarr
Skip
PEH
Maddison
Bergvall
Lo Celso
Kulu
Johnson
Solomon
Son
Werner
Richarlison
Veliz
Scarlett

28 outfield players still currently. Obviously some will go - but others will come in.

What we need to do is upgrade the first 11 - another prolific forward and a top DM. After that it’s just ensuring that we have adequate back up for Porro and Udogie - unless we can again improve on those positions
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Why have you put Vuskovic? Guy can’t even play for another 2 or 3 years for us
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I was just listing all the players I could think of off the top of my head. Remove Vuskovic and it’s still 27 - we’re certainly not short of players. Short of quality in some positions - absolutely.

We need to be moving 7 on I reckon and looking to bring in 5 - with 2 being clear upgrades on the starting 11.

posted on 24/6/24

Spence, royal and rodon are finalising transfers away.

Veliz has a work permit issue so will surely go on loan somewhere. Vuskovic is not eligible.

We think we know Lo celso, Hojberg and Solomon are going.

Then we get into the complexites of Europe, no problem we name a much smaller squad then watch everyone whine that we are not resting players.

We have tons of players not forgetting the 4 senior keepers and Troy Parrott. but the squad is a mess it needs to be streamlined and then improved.

My concern is we will streamline and spend hardly nothing and be very short.

The ready made excuse that our training sponsers have both knocked us so we cannot spend as much.

posted on 24/6/24

The rumour on Chiesa is def garthering pace would love him.

posted on 24/6/24

The ready made excuse that our training sponsers have both knocked us so we cannot spend as much.
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That's only 5m though init? I'm sure they'll be replaced

posted on 24/6/24

£8m from Getir and £10m from Cinch (Sleeve sponsor comes to and end).

Ali G said a while back Bet MGM will be taking over from Getir for £10m a season but a new sleeve sponsor will need to be found.

posted on 24/6/24

If the contract was coming to an end it's just incompetence to not have something else lined up

posted on 25/6/24

comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 6 hours, 46 minutes ago
If the contract was coming to an end it's just incompetence to not have something else lined up
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Getir went bust so defaulted on what they owe us.

Not sure about the sleeve sponsor but hasn't the guy who was brought in to do our sponsors, including stadium, now left the club. Seems like he did a shiiiit job.

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