Definitely some poor memories of the 90s. 4-4-2 pump it up to the big man for most teams, some got it down and played to the wings, crossed it in, like United, who were the most exciting to watch for me.
Yes I don't find City or to a lesser extent Arsenal's style exciting but there are numerous other teams who play a high pressing, get it forward ASAP style who are exciting.
Liverpool under Klopp were great to watch and unlike some I do enjoy watching City.
The 1990 world cup was memorable because of England reaching the semis but there were quite a few dire games.
I was football obsessed from a young age, wouldn't miss a major tournament and any big game.
If it doesn't involves Wolves in club footy I won't watch now, zero interest. And this euros has been painful and today i headed out to the mountains instead of watching and was gonna be away all weekend and didn't care for the games. As it is we wrapped up early but I am more keen to see the TDF tomorrow than the footy.
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I was football obsessed from a young age, wouldn't miss a major tournament and any big game.
If it doesn't involves Wolves in club footy I won't watch now, zero interest. And this euros has been painful and today i headed out to the mountains instead of watching and was gonna be away all weekend and didn't care for the games. As it is we wrapped up early but I am more keen to see the TDF tomorrow than the footy.
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Yeah but how much of that is just because you got old? Things always seemed better in our youth.
The 80’s and 90’s had plenty of craaap football, the major tournaments were as hit and miss as they are today. The World Cup in 90 was shiete, Euro 92 shiete, 94 was decent with Romania, Bulgaria, Sweden really adding to it and that Italy vs Nigeria game, the final was kak though.
Euro 96 was decent - not great, it’s gets rose tinted spectacles for being in England. 98 - Brilliant, 2000 - possibly the very best tournament of the lot with 3 high quality France, Italy and Netherlands sides. 2002 - a pizz poor tournament that had 1 truly great side in it - England giving them their only game of the tournament. 2004 - like watching paint dry, Yes Greece were epically boring but Portugal weren’t much better, England were probably the most entertaining side. 2006 - possibly the second best tournament - some great sides, great semi between Italy and Germany and then the final with the headbutt. Then the truly dark years - 08-12 where football became about never letting the opposition have the ball. What Spain did was a crime against football, incredible talent and to win it they just kept the ball for 90 mins - the 2010 side scored the least amount of goals of a World Cup winning side ever and were just sooo boring.
2014 - half the squads couldn’t cope with the heat and humidity. Germany were brilliant in the semi but the final played out exactly how you thought it would, tight turgid affair with no one taking chances. Very average.
2016 - pretty good actually despite England. Portugal pulling off the shock, Wales getting to the semis. France looking like the best side in the world only to blow it in the final. Iceland beating a pizz poor England and doing the thunder clap.
2018 - this is an underrated World Cup, loads of goals, loads of drama. Quality Croatia side, Brilliant France and some upsets - Russia beating Spain being the highlight.
2020/21 - Okay, the multi venue didn’t work for me, always prefer a singular or dual host rather than multiple. England Ukraine lives in my memory. The best game was probably Switzerland vs France - that was a cracker.
2022 - despite everything being against it, I thought it was great and the final is unlikely to ever be topped. Argentina were pure entertainment from the beginning with a narrow loss to the Saudis. Argentina vs Netherlands would have been game of the tournament were it not for the final, but that was another classic. England France was a good game as well. Croatia knocking out Brazil was epic with late goals.
Long post, but it’s bollox that football is less entertaining, it’s just people like fat Ronaldo get older and more cynical, things are always better when you are younger - except sleep, regular bowel movements and Werthers Originals
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posted 6 minutes ago
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I don’t blame Man City for this and don’t think the club and fans should be punished.
Instead, blame the lily livered powers that be that always just roll over for a few dollars rather than maintaining a healthy game.
Europes broke - the old adage that the Prem could not compete with Salary and transfer caps anymore is absolute bollox. If we set a transfer limit (regardless of sales) of £100m every year - 99% of the continent can’t get near that and the likes of Real would happily spend less I would imagine.
The lack of appetite to fix the game at the upper echelons of government speaks volumes.
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posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I don’t blame Man City for this and don’t think the club and fans should be punished.
Instead, blame the lily livered powers that be that always just roll over for a few dollars rather than maintaining a healthy game.
Europes broke - the old adage that the Prem could not compete with Salary and transfer caps anymore is absolute bollox. If we set a transfer limit (regardless of sales) of £100m every year - 99% of the continent can’t get near that and the likes of Real would happily spend less I would imagine.
The lack of appetite to fix the game at the upper echelons of government speaks volumes.
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This. The PL can only blame itself for its rampant greed, this was all self inflicted. City shouldn’t be charged, as it’s brought on by the league itself. The whole thing needs ripped up, independent regulator, no club say at all. Salary caps all round
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I don’t blame Man City for this and don’t think the club and fans should be punished.
Instead, blame the lily livered powers that be that always just roll over for a few dollars rather than maintaining a healthy game.
Europes broke - the old adage that the Prem could not compete with Salary and transfer caps anymore is absolute bollox. If we set a transfer limit (regardless of sales) of £100m every year - 99% of the continent can’t get near that and the likes of Real would happily spend less I would imagine.
The lack of appetite to fix the game at the upper echelons of government speaks volumes.
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This. The PL can only blame itself for its rampant greed, this was all self inflicted. City shouldn’t be charged, as it’s brought on by the league itself. The whole thing needs ripped up, independent regulator, no club say at all. Salary caps all round
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Absolutely - do that, the clubs make more money but operate in a market where they don’t have to spend it all. The players might not like it, but they won’t have anywhere to go - they won’t go to Saudi for the same reason they won’t go now with vastly more money available and most will be content with £100k plus a week.
The game will become less about squad building and more about systems and style.
The Prem won’t have to prove anything against City or any of the other clubs - it can just enforce the transfer limit and automatically demote sides that break it - which will be easy to monitor as it’s black and white.
They won’t though - we will instead have the same bullschitt for the next 5 years at least
Going full circle to Jimmy Hill.
Its illegal. That's the issue with price caps. FFP/PSR at least legal. Man City even want to break that to instil chaos.
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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posted 25 minutes ago
Going full circle to Jimmy Hill.
Its illegal. That's the issue with price caps. FFP/PSR at least legal. Man City even want to break that to instil chaos.
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Eh? No they don’t, they’re challenging the rules around associated party transactions, they’re not challenging FFP or PSR. They’re both good things for City.
If the APT rules are legal then they’ll stay in place. If they’re not then they’ll be rightly changed to ones that are.
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comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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Fair for you and even myself I didn’t mind them but there was definitely an overriding opinion at the time, literally on this forum / BBC 606 (and elsewhere) about how boring Spain were to watch. Articles like this saying how boring modern football is and it was so much better in my day etc.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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That final was an anomaly - Italy schitt the bed early on and just couldn’t cope with Alba of all players. That Italy side wasn’t even particularly talented, they scraped through a group containing Croatia (but not as we now know them) and Ireland. They beat England on pens and then played well once in the Semi against Germany before falling apart in that final
Spain drew a dismal opening group game with Italy. Battered Ireland as expected and then massively laboured to a late 1-0 win over Croatia. A 2-0 win over a poor France side that had lost to Sweden and finished behind England in the group before an appalling 0-0 with Portugal and progressing on Pens.
2010 - is widely considered to be the most boring winner ever or at least a close second to Greece.
2008 - okay I will agree, they were much more entertaining than the latter years in terms of the group stage, but come the knockouts they drew 0-0 with Italy and progressed on Pens, smashed Russia 3-0 after already smashing them in the group 4-1 and the. Laboured 1-0 past a Germany side who couldn’t believe they had somehow made another final.
Awful side to watch, just hogging possession without creating chances. I laughed my head off when England beat them 1-0 in a friendly with something like 23% possession
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comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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Fair for you and even myself I didn’t mind them but there was definitely an overriding opinion at the time, literally on this forum / BBC 606 (and elsewhere) about how boring Spain were to watch. Articles like this saying how boring modern football is and it was so much better in my day etc.
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It wasn't an overriding opinion here until 2010 where they got a little too high on their own supply with the possession stuff.
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comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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Fair for you and even myself I didn’t mind them but there was definitely an overriding opinion at the time, literally on this forum / BBC 606 (and elsewhere) about how boring Spain were to watch. Articles like this saying how boring modern football is and it was so much better in my day etc.
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It wasn't an overriding opinion here until 2010 where they got a little too high on their own supply with the possession stuff.
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It’s a game of opinions.
One man’s tiki taka is another man’s insomnia cure.
There was a real swell about how boring they were before that 2010 World Cup and they massively lived up to it at that competition.
I remember cheering wildly when the Netherlands and Chile sent them home early in 2014 - no longer having to watch that shiete anymore
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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That final was an anomaly - Italy schitt the bed early on and just couldn’t cope with Alba of all players. That Italy side wasn’t even particularly talented, they scraped through a group containing Croatia (but not as we now know them) and Ireland. They beat England on pens and then played well once in the Semi against Germany before falling apart in that final
Spain drew a dismal opening group game with Italy. Battered Ireland as expected and then massively laboured to a late 1-0 win over Croatia. A 2-0 win over a poor France side that had lost to Sweden and finished behind England in the group before an appalling 0-0 with Portugal and progressing on Pens.
2010 - is widely considered to be the most boring winner ever or at least a close second to Greece.
2008 - okay I will agree, they were much more entertaining than the latter years in terms of the group stage, but come the knockouts they drew 0-0 with Italy and progressed on Pens, smashed Russia 3-0 after already smashing them in the group 4-1 and the. Laboured 1-0 past a Germany side who couldn’t believe they had somehow made another final.
Awful side to watch, just hogging possession without creating chances. I laughed my head off when England beat them 1-0 in a friendly with something like 23% possession
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So what if they drew with Italy 0-0 in 2008. I watched that game and it was hardly an uneventful game. They dominated the match and had most of the chances but couldn't finish. As they did in the final against Germany. You've already conceded you're wrong about 2008, so no need extending the argument with irrelevancies just because you love watching yourself pointlessly argue.
Yes, they played a lot of great stuff in 2012. The Italy side were not that talented - yet battered England in the knockout phase in one of teh most one-sided matches between 2 big sides you'll see. And knocked out a heavily fancied Germany team that won the 2014 World Cup at a canter. You just spin stuff endlessly to suit whatever argument you're trying to make. Imagine England navigating a tournament and thrashing one of the best teams 4-0 in the final and you start rambling about whether they drew a match 0-0 against a very solid Portugal team in one of the knockout games.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 25 minutes ago
Going full circle to Jimmy Hill.
Its illegal. That's the issue with price caps. FFP/PSR at least legal. Man City even want to break that to instil chaos.
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Eh? No they don’t, they’re challenging the rules around associated party transactions, they’re not challenging FFP or PSR. They’re both good things for City.
If the APT rules are legal then they’ll stay in place. If they’re not then they’ll be rightly changed to ones that are.
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Associated party transactions underpin PSR.
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comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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Fair for you and even myself I didn’t mind them but there was definitely an overriding opinion at the time, literally on this forum / BBC 606 (and elsewhere) about how boring Spain were to watch. Articles like this saying how boring modern football is and it was so much better in my day etc.
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It wasn't an overriding opinion here until 2010 where they got a little too high on their own supply with the possession stuff.
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It’s a game of opinions.
One man’s tiki taka is another man’s insomnia cure.
There was a real swell about how boring they were before that 2010 World Cup and they massively lived up to it at that competition.
I remember cheering wildly when the Netherlands and Chile sent them home early in 2014 - no longer having to watch that shiete anymore
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Spain headed into the 2010 World Cup with the only perfect qualifying record in Europe with 30 points and a +23 GD over 10 group games. So what would have been the basis for "real swell about how boring they were". I think you've just made that up. It was during the tournament itself that there were murmurs about them over-indulging in the endless passing.
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 25 minutes ago
Going full circle to Jimmy Hill.
Its illegal. That's the issue with price caps. FFP/PSR at least legal. Man City even want to break that to instil chaos.
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Eh? No they don’t, they’re challenging the rules around associated party transactions, they’re not challenging FFP or PSR. They’re both good things for City.
If the APT rules are legal then they’ll stay in place. If they’re not then they’ll be rightly changed to ones that are.
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Associated party transactions underpin PSR.
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They’ve only been in in their current guise for four months. If you’re saying they underpin them then you can’t say PSR is legal, we don’t know that yet then.
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Associated party transactions underpin PSR.
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They’ve only been in in their current guise for four months. If you’re saying they underpin them then you can’t say PSR is legal, we don’t know that yet then.
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As PSR evolves those who want to circumvent it find new ways of doing so. And that means alterations to make it fit for purpose. All the premier league have a vote in that process. Obviously the ones who cheat don't want to alter it but they are not in the majority. Thats what democracy is but your club wouldn't know anything about that.
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Associated party transactions underpin PSR.
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They’ve only been in in their current guise for four months. If you’re saying they underpin them then you can’t say PSR is legal, we don’t know that yet then.
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As PSR evolves those who want to circumvent it find new ways of doing so. And that means alterations to make it fit for purpose. All the premier league have a vote in that process. Obviously the ones who cheat don't want to alter it but they are not in the majority. Thats what democracy is but your club wouldn't know anything about that.
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Which is just meaningless word salad. If the rules are legal, they stay. If they aren’t, then they get changed to ones that are legal.
Challenging whether a regulation is valid within the law (which I doubt city will win anyway) is hardly a way of circumvention.
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posted 41 minutes ago
Challenging whether a regulation is valid within the law (which I doubt city will win anyway) is hardly a way of circumvention.
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How is it not? Do companies sue HMRC if they change tax laws to stop loopholes?
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 seconds ago
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Associated party transactions underpin PSR.
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They’ve only been in in their current guise for four months. If you’re saying they underpin them then you can’t say PSR is legal, we don’t know that yet then.
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As PSR evolves those who want to circumvent it find new ways of doing so. And that means alterations to make it fit for purpose. All the premier league have a vote in that process. Obviously the ones who cheat don't want to alter it but they are not in the majority. Thats what democracy is but your club wouldn't know anything about that.
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Which is just meaningless word salad. If the rules are legal, they stay. If they aren’t, then they get changed to ones that are legal.
Challenging whether a regulation is valid within the law (which I doubt city will win anyway) is hardly a way of circumvention.
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What if the rules that say the rules are illegal are illegal?
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posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I don’t blame Man City for this and don’t think the club and fans should be punished.
Instead, blame the lily livered powers that be that always just roll over for a few dollars rather than maintaining a healthy game.
Europes broke - the old adage that the Prem could not compete with Salary and transfer caps anymore is absolute bollox. If we set a transfer limit (regardless of sales) of £100m every year - 99% of the continent can’t get near that and the likes of Real would happily spend less I would imagine.
The lack of appetite to fix the game at the upper echelons of government speaks volumes.
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This. The PL can only blame itself for its rampant greed, this was all self inflicted. City shouldn’t be charged, as it’s brought on by the league itself. The whole thing needs ripped up, independent regulator, no club say at all. Salary caps all round
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Absolutely - do that, the clubs make more money but operate in a market where they don’t have to spend it all. The players might not like it, but they won’t have anywhere to go - they won’t go to Saudi for the same reason they won’t go now with vastly more money available and most will be content with £100k plus a week.
The game will become less about squad building and more about systems and style.
The Prem won’t have to prove anything against City or any of the other clubs - it can just enforce the transfer limit and automatically demote sides that break it - which will be easy to monitor as it’s black and white.
They won’t though - we will instead have the same bullschitt for the next 5 years at least
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It's called the MLS!
Actually, even the MLS has fckd it somewhat with designated players and what not but way more regulated to set up, financial rules and monitoring of sustainability, all salaries published etc.
I've been arguing on here for years that European franchising is the way to go - to expand the overall market and not have massive teams in small countries literally disenfranchised. Of course all that is not in the interests of the too powerful legacy clubs from big countries so for it to happen needs UEFA to change or be kicked out, for borders to be abolished, for power to be transferred.
All this is what the super league should have been, could have been. There's still a chance.
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I don’t blame Man City for this and don’t think the club and fans should be punished.
Instead, blame the lily livered powers that be that always just roll over for a few dollars rather than maintaining a healthy game.
Europes broke - the old adage that the Prem could not compete with Salary and transfer caps anymore is absolute bollox. If we set a transfer limit (regardless of sales) of £100m every year - 99% of the continent can’t get near that and the likes of Real would happily spend less I would imagine.
The lack of appetite to fix the game at the upper echelons of government speaks volumes.
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This. The PL can only blame itself for its rampant greed, this was all self inflicted. City shouldn’t be charged, as it’s brought on by the league itself. The whole thing needs ripped up, independent regulator, no club say at all. Salary caps all round
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Absolutely - do that, the clubs make more money but operate in a market where they don’t have to spend it all. The players might not like it, but they won’t have anywhere to go - they won’t go to Saudi for the same reason they won’t go now with vastly more money available and most will be content with £100k plus a week.
The game will become less about squad building and more about systems and style.
The Prem won’t have to prove anything against City or any of the other clubs - it can just enforce the transfer limit and automatically demote sides that break it - which will be easy to monitor as it’s black and white.
They won’t though - we will instead have the same bullschitt for the next 5 years at least
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It's called the MLS!
Actually, even the MLS has fckd it somewhat with designated players and what not but way more regulated to set up, financial rules and monitoring of sustainability, all salaries published etc.
I've been arguing on here for years that European franchising is the way to go - to expand the overall market and not have massive teams in small countries literally disenfranchised. Of course all that is not in the interests of the too powerful legacy clubs from big countries so for it to happen needs UEFA to change or be kicked out, for borders to be abolished, for power to be transferred.
All this is what the super league should have been, could have been. There's still a chance.
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American sports is radically different with a very different history, and doesn't compete with other countries. Franchising would destroy the European football pyramid and its traditions. I don't see how that would work.
I don't buy that a team like City have any insurmountable advantages over their rivals. There is not a single player that City can buy that the likes of Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal can''t. Not one single one. Having the best manager in the league is what has been decisive in their dominance - little different from so-called "dynasties" in American sports like the NFL and NBA.
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posted on 30/6/24
Definitely some poor memories of the 90s. 4-4-2 pump it up to the big man for most teams, some got it down and played to the wings, crossed it in, like United, who were the most exciting to watch for me.
Yes I don't find City or to a lesser extent Arsenal's style exciting but there are numerous other teams who play a high pressing, get it forward ASAP style who are exciting.
posted on 30/6/24
Liverpool under Klopp were great to watch and unlike some I do enjoy watching City.
The 1990 world cup was memorable because of England reaching the semis but there were quite a few dire games.
posted on 30/6/24
I was football obsessed from a young age, wouldn't miss a major tournament and any big game.
If it doesn't involves Wolves in club footy I won't watch now, zero interest. And this euros has been painful and today i headed out to the mountains instead of watching and was gonna be away all weekend and didn't care for the games. As it is we wrapped up early but I am more keen to see the TDF tomorrow than the footy.
posted on 30/6/24
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 8 minutes ago
I was football obsessed from a young age, wouldn't miss a major tournament and any big game.
If it doesn't involves Wolves in club footy I won't watch now, zero interest. And this euros has been painful and today i headed out to the mountains instead of watching and was gonna be away all weekend and didn't care for the games. As it is we wrapped up early but I am more keen to see the TDF tomorrow than the footy.
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Yeah but how much of that is just because you got old? Things always seemed better in our youth.
The 80’s and 90’s had plenty of craaap football, the major tournaments were as hit and miss as they are today. The World Cup in 90 was shiete, Euro 92 shiete, 94 was decent with Romania, Bulgaria, Sweden really adding to it and that Italy vs Nigeria game, the final was kak though.
Euro 96 was decent - not great, it’s gets rose tinted spectacles for being in England. 98 - Brilliant, 2000 - possibly the very best tournament of the lot with 3 high quality France, Italy and Netherlands sides. 2002 - a pizz poor tournament that had 1 truly great side in it - England giving them their only game of the tournament. 2004 - like watching paint dry, Yes Greece were epically boring but Portugal weren’t much better, England were probably the most entertaining side. 2006 - possibly the second best tournament - some great sides, great semi between Italy and Germany and then the final with the headbutt. Then the truly dark years - 08-12 where football became about never letting the opposition have the ball. What Spain did was a crime against football, incredible talent and to win it they just kept the ball for 90 mins - the 2010 side scored the least amount of goals of a World Cup winning side ever and were just sooo boring.
2014 - half the squads couldn’t cope with the heat and humidity. Germany were brilliant in the semi but the final played out exactly how you thought it would, tight turgid affair with no one taking chances. Very average.
2016 - pretty good actually despite England. Portugal pulling off the shock, Wales getting to the semis. France looking like the best side in the world only to blow it in the final. Iceland beating a pizz poor England and doing the thunder clap.
2018 - this is an underrated World Cup, loads of goals, loads of drama. Quality Croatia side, Brilliant France and some upsets - Russia beating Spain being the highlight.
2020/21 - Okay, the multi venue didn’t work for me, always prefer a singular or dual host rather than multiple. England Ukraine lives in my memory. The best game was probably Switzerland vs France - that was a cracker.
2022 - despite everything being against it, I thought it was great and the final is unlikely to ever be topped. Argentina were pure entertainment from the beginning with a narrow loss to the Saudis. Argentina vs Netherlands would have been game of the tournament were it not for the final, but that was another classic. England France was a good game as well. Croatia knocking out Brazil was epic with late goals.
Long post, but it’s bollox that football is less entertaining, it’s just people like fat Ronaldo get older and more cynical, things are always better when you are younger - except sleep, regular bowel movements and Werthers Originals
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I don’t blame Man City for this and don’t think the club and fans should be punished.
Instead, blame the lily livered powers that be that always just roll over for a few dollars rather than maintaining a healthy game.
Europes broke - the old adage that the Prem could not compete with Salary and transfer caps anymore is absolute bollox. If we set a transfer limit (regardless of sales) of £100m every year - 99% of the continent can’t get near that and the likes of Real would happily spend less I would imagine.
The lack of appetite to fix the game at the upper echelons of government speaks volumes.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I don’t blame Man City for this and don’t think the club and fans should be punished.
Instead, blame the lily livered powers that be that always just roll over for a few dollars rather than maintaining a healthy game.
Europes broke - the old adage that the Prem could not compete with Salary and transfer caps anymore is absolute bollox. If we set a transfer limit (regardless of sales) of £100m every year - 99% of the continent can’t get near that and the likes of Real would happily spend less I would imagine.
The lack of appetite to fix the game at the upper echelons of government speaks volumes.
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This. The PL can only blame itself for its rampant greed, this was all self inflicted. City shouldn’t be charged, as it’s brought on by the league itself. The whole thing needs ripped up, independent regulator, no club say at all. Salary caps all round
posted on 30/6/24
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posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I don’t blame Man City for this and don’t think the club and fans should be punished.
Instead, blame the lily livered powers that be that always just roll over for a few dollars rather than maintaining a healthy game.
Europes broke - the old adage that the Prem could not compete with Salary and transfer caps anymore is absolute bollox. If we set a transfer limit (regardless of sales) of £100m every year - 99% of the continent can’t get near that and the likes of Real would happily spend less I would imagine.
The lack of appetite to fix the game at the upper echelons of government speaks volumes.
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This. The PL can only blame itself for its rampant greed, this was all self inflicted. City shouldn’t be charged, as it’s brought on by the league itself. The whole thing needs ripped up, independent regulator, no club say at all. Salary caps all round
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Absolutely - do that, the clubs make more money but operate in a market where they don’t have to spend it all. The players might not like it, but they won’t have anywhere to go - they won’t go to Saudi for the same reason they won’t go now with vastly more money available and most will be content with £100k plus a week.
The game will become less about squad building and more about systems and style.
The Prem won’t have to prove anything against City or any of the other clubs - it can just enforce the transfer limit and automatically demote sides that break it - which will be easy to monitor as it’s black and white.
They won’t though - we will instead have the same bullschitt for the next 5 years at least
posted on 30/6/24
Going full circle to Jimmy Hill.
Its illegal. That's the issue with price caps. FFP/PSR at least legal. Man City even want to break that to instil chaos.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 25 minutes ago
Going full circle to Jimmy Hill.
Its illegal. That's the issue with price caps. FFP/PSR at least legal. Man City even want to break that to instil chaos.
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Eh? No they don’t, they’re challenging the rules around associated party transactions, they’re not challenging FFP or PSR. They’re both good things for City.
If the APT rules are legal then they’ll stay in place. If they’re not then they’ll be rightly changed to ones that are.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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Fair for you and even myself I didn’t mind them but there was definitely an overriding opinion at the time, literally on this forum / BBC 606 (and elsewhere) about how boring Spain were to watch. Articles like this saying how boring modern football is and it was so much better in my day etc.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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That final was an anomaly - Italy schitt the bed early on and just couldn’t cope with Alba of all players. That Italy side wasn’t even particularly talented, they scraped through a group containing Croatia (but not as we now know them) and Ireland. They beat England on pens and then played well once in the Semi against Germany before falling apart in that final
Spain drew a dismal opening group game with Italy. Battered Ireland as expected and then massively laboured to a late 1-0 win over Croatia. A 2-0 win over a poor France side that had lost to Sweden and finished behind England in the group before an appalling 0-0 with Portugal and progressing on Pens.
2010 - is widely considered to be the most boring winner ever or at least a close second to Greece.
2008 - okay I will agree, they were much more entertaining than the latter years in terms of the group stage, but come the knockouts they drew 0-0 with Italy and progressed on Pens, smashed Russia 3-0 after already smashing them in the group 4-1 and the. Laboured 1-0 past a Germany side who couldn’t believe they had somehow made another final.
Awful side to watch, just hogging possession without creating chances. I laughed my head off when England beat them 1-0 in a friendly with something like 23% possession
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Our Bald Manager > Yours (U1641)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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Fair for you and even myself I didn’t mind them but there was definitely an overriding opinion at the time, literally on this forum / BBC 606 (and elsewhere) about how boring Spain were to watch. Articles like this saying how boring modern football is and it was so much better in my day etc.
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It wasn't an overriding opinion here until 2010 where they got a little too high on their own supply with the possession stuff.
posted on 30/6/24
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comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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Fair for you and even myself I didn’t mind them but there was definitely an overriding opinion at the time, literally on this forum / BBC 606 (and elsewhere) about how boring Spain were to watch. Articles like this saying how boring modern football is and it was so much better in my day etc.
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It wasn't an overriding opinion here until 2010 where they got a little too high on their own supply with the possession stuff.
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It’s a game of opinions.
One man’s tiki taka is another man’s insomnia cure.
There was a real swell about how boring they were before that 2010 World Cup and they massively lived up to it at that competition.
I remember cheering wildly when the Netherlands and Chile sent them home early in 2014 - no longer having to watch that shiete anymore
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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That final was an anomaly - Italy schitt the bed early on and just couldn’t cope with Alba of all players. That Italy side wasn’t even particularly talented, they scraped through a group containing Croatia (but not as we now know them) and Ireland. They beat England on pens and then played well once in the Semi against Germany before falling apart in that final
Spain drew a dismal opening group game with Italy. Battered Ireland as expected and then massively laboured to a late 1-0 win over Croatia. A 2-0 win over a poor France side that had lost to Sweden and finished behind England in the group before an appalling 0-0 with Portugal and progressing on Pens.
2010 - is widely considered to be the most boring winner ever or at least a close second to Greece.
2008 - okay I will agree, they were much more entertaining than the latter years in terms of the group stage, but come the knockouts they drew 0-0 with Italy and progressed on Pens, smashed Russia 3-0 after already smashing them in the group 4-1 and the. Laboured 1-0 past a Germany side who couldn’t believe they had somehow made another final.
Awful side to watch, just hogging possession without creating chances. I laughed my head off when England beat them 1-0 in a friendly with something like 23% possession
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So what if they drew with Italy 0-0 in 2008. I watched that game and it was hardly an uneventful game. They dominated the match and had most of the chances but couldn't finish. As they did in the final against Germany. You've already conceded you're wrong about 2008, so no need extending the argument with irrelevancies just because you love watching yourself pointlessly argue.
Yes, they played a lot of great stuff in 2012. The Italy side were not that talented - yet battered England in the knockout phase in one of teh most one-sided matches between 2 big sides you'll see. And knocked out a heavily fancied Germany team that won the 2014 World Cup at a canter. You just spin stuff endlessly to suit whatever argument you're trying to make. Imagine England navigating a tournament and thrashing one of the best teams 4-0 in the final and you start rambling about whether they drew a match 0-0 against a very solid Portugal team in one of the knockout games.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 25 minutes ago
Going full circle to Jimmy Hill.
Its illegal. That's the issue with price caps. FFP/PSR at least legal. Man City even want to break that to instil chaos.
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Eh? No they don’t, they’re challenging the rules around associated party transactions, they’re not challenging FFP or PSR. They’re both good things for City.
If the APT rules are legal then they’ll stay in place. If they’re not then they’ll be rightly changed to ones that are.
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Associated party transactions underpin PSR.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
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comment by Our Bald Manager > Yours (U1641)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
It’s far more exciting than that patch between 08-12 when Spain stunk international football out with defensive possession or Tiki Taka - yet some love that.
I’m old enough to remember there being no pass back rule and a ridiculously low scoring Italia 90 - statistically the lowest scoring ever. Trust me, that was faaacking boring.
Ronaldo was in the squad for arguably the boring World Cup final ever Brazil vs Italy in 1994
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Spain took the piiss in the 2010 World Cup with their possession football, but to claim they were some exponent of boring football throughout their international reign between 2008 to 2012 and "stunk international football out" is rubbish. 2008 Spain under Aragones were one of the most exciting international teams I've ever watched and they played a lot of great stuff in Euro 2012 - including the 4-0 mauling of Italy in the final.
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Fair for you and even myself I didn’t mind them but there was definitely an overriding opinion at the time, literally on this forum / BBC 606 (and elsewhere) about how boring Spain were to watch. Articles like this saying how boring modern football is and it was so much better in my day etc.
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It wasn't an overriding opinion here until 2010 where they got a little too high on their own supply with the possession stuff.
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It’s a game of opinions.
One man’s tiki taka is another man’s insomnia cure.
There was a real swell about how boring they were before that 2010 World Cup and they massively lived up to it at that competition.
I remember cheering wildly when the Netherlands and Chile sent them home early in 2014 - no longer having to watch that shiete anymore
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Spain headed into the 2010 World Cup with the only perfect qualifying record in Europe with 30 points and a +23 GD over 10 group games. So what would have been the basis for "real swell about how boring they were". I think you've just made that up. It was during the tournament itself that there were murmurs about them over-indulging in the endless passing.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 25 minutes ago
Going full circle to Jimmy Hill.
Its illegal. That's the issue with price caps. FFP/PSR at least legal. Man City even want to break that to instil chaos.
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Eh? No they don’t, they’re challenging the rules around associated party transactions, they’re not challenging FFP or PSR. They’re both good things for City.
If the APT rules are legal then they’ll stay in place. If they’re not then they’ll be rightly changed to ones that are.
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Associated party transactions underpin PSR.
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They’ve only been in in their current guise for four months. If you’re saying they underpin them then you can’t say PSR is legal, we don’t know that yet then.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 seconds ago
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Associated party transactions underpin PSR.
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They’ve only been in in their current guise for four months. If you’re saying they underpin them then you can’t say PSR is legal, we don’t know that yet then.
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As PSR evolves those who want to circumvent it find new ways of doing so. And that means alterations to make it fit for purpose. All the premier league have a vote in that process. Obviously the ones who cheat don't want to alter it but they are not in the majority. Thats what democracy is but your club wouldn't know anything about that.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 seconds ago
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Associated party transactions underpin PSR.
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They’ve only been in in their current guise for four months. If you’re saying they underpin them then you can’t say PSR is legal, we don’t know that yet then.
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As PSR evolves those who want to circumvent it find new ways of doing so. And that means alterations to make it fit for purpose. All the premier league have a vote in that process. Obviously the ones who cheat don't want to alter it but they are not in the majority. Thats what democracy is but your club wouldn't know anything about that.
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Which is just meaningless word salad. If the rules are legal, they stay. If they aren’t, then they get changed to ones that are legal.
Challenging whether a regulation is valid within the law (which I doubt city will win anyway) is hardly a way of circumvention.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 41 minutes ago
Challenging whether a regulation is valid within the law (which I doubt city will win anyway) is hardly a way of circumvention.
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How is it not? Do companies sue HMRC if they change tax laws to stop loopholes?
posted on 30/6/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 seconds ago
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Associated party transactions underpin PSR.
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They’ve only been in in their current guise for four months. If you’re saying they underpin them then you can’t say PSR is legal, we don’t know that yet then.
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As PSR evolves those who want to circumvent it find new ways of doing so. And that means alterations to make it fit for purpose. All the premier league have a vote in that process. Obviously the ones who cheat don't want to alter it but they are not in the majority. Thats what democracy is but your club wouldn't know anything about that.
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Which is just meaningless word salad. If the rules are legal, they stay. If they aren’t, then they get changed to ones that are legal.
Challenging whether a regulation is valid within the law (which I doubt city will win anyway) is hardly a way of circumvention.
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What if the rules that say the rules are illegal are illegal?
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 3 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I don’t blame Man City for this and don’t think the club and fans should be punished.
Instead, blame the lily livered powers that be that always just roll over for a few dollars rather than maintaining a healthy game.
Europes broke - the old adage that the Prem could not compete with Salary and transfer caps anymore is absolute bollox. If we set a transfer limit (regardless of sales) of £100m every year - 99% of the continent can’t get near that and the likes of Real would happily spend less I would imagine.
The lack of appetite to fix the game at the upper echelons of government speaks volumes.
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This. The PL can only blame itself for its rampant greed, this was all self inflicted. City shouldn’t be charged, as it’s brought on by the league itself. The whole thing needs ripped up, independent regulator, no club say at all. Salary caps all round
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Absolutely - do that, the clubs make more money but operate in a market where they don’t have to spend it all. The players might not like it, but they won’t have anywhere to go - they won’t go to Saudi for the same reason they won’t go now with vastly more money available and most will be content with £100k plus a week.
The game will become less about squad building and more about systems and style.
The Prem won’t have to prove anything against City or any of the other clubs - it can just enforce the transfer limit and automatically demote sides that break it - which will be easy to monitor as it’s black and white.
They won’t though - we will instead have the same bullschitt for the next 5 years at least
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It's called the MLS!
Actually, even the MLS has fckd it somewhat with designated players and what not but way more regulated to set up, financial rules and monitoring of sustainability, all salaries published etc.
I've been arguing on here for years that European franchising is the way to go - to expand the overall market and not have massive teams in small countries literally disenfranchised. Of course all that is not in the interests of the too powerful legacy clubs from big countries so for it to happen needs UEFA to change or be kicked out, for borders to be abolished, for power to be transferred.
All this is what the super league should have been, could have been. There's still a chance.
posted on 30/6/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 3 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think one of the issues is how Man City have dominated, making it feel as if it's boring. The lack of competition is boring. Even in Fergie's most dominating days, Utd did not feel unbeatable like Pep's Man City do. And that's the real issue for me, especially because of the financial cheating that's gone on to maintain that. Is it a shock that they are suing the Premier League to force the Premier League to allow them to continue to cheat? That's devaluing the competition. This was the danger of allowing nations to buy football clubs. They aren't used to the idea of fairness in the Middle East or in the Oligarch community.
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I don’t blame Man City for this and don’t think the club and fans should be punished.
Instead, blame the lily livered powers that be that always just roll over for a few dollars rather than maintaining a healthy game.
Europes broke - the old adage that the Prem could not compete with Salary and transfer caps anymore is absolute bollox. If we set a transfer limit (regardless of sales) of £100m every year - 99% of the continent can’t get near that and the likes of Real would happily spend less I would imagine.
The lack of appetite to fix the game at the upper echelons of government speaks volumes.
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This. The PL can only blame itself for its rampant greed, this was all self inflicted. City shouldn’t be charged, as it’s brought on by the league itself. The whole thing needs ripped up, independent regulator, no club say at all. Salary caps all round
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Absolutely - do that, the clubs make more money but operate in a market where they don’t have to spend it all. The players might not like it, but they won’t have anywhere to go - they won’t go to Saudi for the same reason they won’t go now with vastly more money available and most will be content with £100k plus a week.
The game will become less about squad building and more about systems and style.
The Prem won’t have to prove anything against City or any of the other clubs - it can just enforce the transfer limit and automatically demote sides that break it - which will be easy to monitor as it’s black and white.
They won’t though - we will instead have the same bullschitt for the next 5 years at least
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It's called the MLS!
Actually, even the MLS has fckd it somewhat with designated players and what not but way more regulated to set up, financial rules and monitoring of sustainability, all salaries published etc.
I've been arguing on here for years that European franchising is the way to go - to expand the overall market and not have massive teams in small countries literally disenfranchised. Of course all that is not in the interests of the too powerful legacy clubs from big countries so for it to happen needs UEFA to change or be kicked out, for borders to be abolished, for power to be transferred.
All this is what the super league should have been, could have been. There's still a chance.
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American sports is radically different with a very different history, and doesn't compete with other countries. Franchising would destroy the European football pyramid and its traditions. I don't see how that would work.
I don't buy that a team like City have any insurmountable advantages over their rivals. There is not a single player that City can buy that the likes of Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal can''t. Not one single one. Having the best manager in the league is what has been decisive in their dominance - little different from so-called "dynasties" in American sports like the NFL and NBA.
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