Even Scotland seem to have produced better managers than England

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Seem to have?

Fack me, it isn't even close. Scotland have produced far greater managers than England throughout footy history.

5 of the top 10 in the English top flight are Scottish, 41 Scots wins to 65 English, that is outrageous

And Paisley had scots genes ffs, even named after a Scottish town

6 of the 13 to ever win the top flight more than twice are Scottish as well

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 21 minutes ago
Even Scotland seem to have produced better managers than England

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Seem to have?

Fack me, it isn't even close. Scotland have produced far greater managers than England throughout footy history.

5 of the top 10 in the English top flight are Scottish, 41 Scots wins to 65 English, that is outrageous

And Paisley had scots genes ffs, even named after a Scottish town
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I was trying to be diplomatic 😂

Didn't McLaren win the Dutch title?

It is a mystery though.

comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 14 minutes ago
Didn't McLaren win the Dutch title?

It is a mystery though.
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He did yeah. But he’s not a tactical genius. He’s already proven himself a failure in the England job.

Something about the name McLaren, can't quite figure it out, hmmm, Mc.....Laren.......McLaren........hmmm, dunno

Oh and its fackin McClaren

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 31 minutes ago
Something about the name McLaren, can't quite figure it out, hmmm, Mc.....Laren.......McLaren........hmmm, dunno
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Huh?

comment by Melbourne Red (U5417)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 31 minutes ago
Something about the name McLaren, can't quite figure it out, hmmm, Mc.....Laren.......McLaren........hmmm, dunno
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Huh?
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Another with Scottish genes

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Melbourne Red (U5417)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 31 minutes ago
Something about the name McLaren, can't quite figure it out, hmmm, Mc.....Laren.......McLaren........hmmm, dunno
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Huh?
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Another with Scottish genes
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Gotcha.

Scotland produce the best managers in the sport by a mile, which is bizarre considering English managers are by and large very average.

If the FA have a clue they’d be throwing every penny we have at Klopp to get us through 2026 and 2028.

comment by Fred: Mamba Worships at the Altar of Winston (U3979)
posted 10 minutes ago
Scotland produce the best managers in the sport by a mile, which is bizarre considering English managers are by and large very average.

If the FA have a clue they’d be throwing every penny we have at Klopp to get us through 2026 and 2028.
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I would suggest Spain and Germany produce better managers than Scotland.

The Brits just don't have a love of tactics like the Europeans do.

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 30 minutes ago
The Brits just don't have a love of tactics like the Europeans do.
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It's not just the tactics, it's the absolute dearth of English managers at the top level. We're just not producing them. Ex players seem to prefer to go in to media, or the big name managers - Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney - are rubbish.

You hear of teams lower down the pyramid trying to play like a Guardiola side. So there are English managers who do like tactics. But are managers in lower leagues not getting chances because clubs prefer the more glamorous, foreign names?

There's no 'home grown quota' for English managers in the Prem, and money talks both ways. Why would you take a punt on them if you can buy out a foreign manager with a proven track record of winning silverware and/or making players better (=transfer money) in their own league.

The only way out of this is to 'grow' as many talented English managers as possible in the Championship and/or top foreign leagues. Guys like Lampard, Gerrard and those below that level should opt more often to start in Holland, Belgium, Portugal, France for example and work their way up to Champions League levels (maybe even as ass managers of a top tier manager), but I guess most of them feel like it's beneath them or they prefer the easy way out. It also doesn't help that most players only know/learn 1 language...

Aside of McClaren the only 2 Brittish managers I remember who went that way are Barry Hughes and Bobby Robson, and the latter had this telling quote about the general tactical level of players (of which a decent chunk become coaches later): The Dutch penchant for tactical debate surprised Robson. In an interview with Voetbal International, he lamented: "An English pro accepts the manager's decision. After every match here, the substitutes come and visit me."

The game has evolved and I believe especially in Germany and Spain you find alot of players with that kind of mindset during their active careers who become interesting coaches later (Xabi Alonso, Xavi, but especially in germany many 'unknown names' too).

As a Scot I think there is a simpler explanation. It is in our genes to be angry and in the old days that worked to get players in fear for having to face their wrath after 90m. Nowadays that doesn't work with players. Oh sure even Pep F's his way through the team talk just not in a way that has Foden fearing for his life!

It will be the next big “innovation” in the English game I reckon. We’ve just cottoned on to having players that can play football at a decent level - next it will be managers that understand tactics.

comment by Melbourne Red (U5417)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 30 minutes ago
The Brits just don't have a love of tactics like the Europeans do.
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It's not just the tactics, it's the absolute dearth of English managers at the top level. We're just not producing them. Ex players seem to prefer to go in to media, or the big name managers - Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney - are rubbish.

You hear of teams lower down the pyramid trying to play like a Guardiola side. So there are English managers who do like tactics. But are managers in lower leagues not getting chances because clubs prefer the more glamorous, foreign names?
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Top clubs over here don't hire managers based on their philosophy like certain clubs abroad do.

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 18 hours, 51 minutes ago
Something about the name McLaren, can't quite figure it out, hmmm, Mc.....Laren.......McLaren........hmmm, dunno
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a word in the English language?

comment by Melbourne Red (U5417)
posted 19 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 14 minutes ago
Didn't McLaren win the Dutch title?

It is a mystery though.
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He did yeah. But he’s not a tactical genius. He’s already proven himself a failure in the England job.
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Scchteve Mcclaren by all accounts had a reputation as an extremely good coach in the football world behind the scenes. Management may have been a step too far for him though.

The problem begins at the lowest levels of English football, there are simply not enough Englishmen choosing coaching as a career and working their way up the ladder. I remember a study from a few years ago which showed Spain as an example that they qualify something in the region of 17,000 coaches in a year, England's numbers were a fraction of that. Part of the reason St George's Park was built was to improve those numbers

Another problem with the elite level jobs in particular is reputation and language. Most top level clubs have foreign owners who are reluctant to put an Englishman in charge due to the poor reputation of English coaches, and very few English professionals are bilingual, most changing rooms have several different spoken languages