Like most Argies Enzo probably does have some minor Amerindian in him... to give him at least some partial ancestral tie to the land going back 1000s of years

Europeans also have some very deep ancestry going back into the ice-age from the aborginal hunter gatherers of Europe

Most of the ancestry of Europeans today however drives from the Anatolian Neolithic Farmers who migrated through Europe in the early Neolithic & the Indo-European Steppe people from the Caspian-Pontic Steppe who migrated through Europe in the late Bronze age

comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 18 minutes ago
Like most Argies Enzo probably does have some minor Amerindian in him... to give him at least some partial ancestral tie to the land going back 1000s of years

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It's not probable seeing as less than half of Argies have indigenous genes while 97% have European genes.

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 18 minutes ago
Like most Argies Enzo probably does have some minor Amerindian in him... to give him at least some partial ancestral tie to the land going back 1000s of years

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It's not probable seeing as less than half of Argies have indigenous genes while 97% have European genes.
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most Argentinians unless they have all 4 grandparents from Europe will have some minor Amerindian admixture.
This has been proven in numerous genetic studies of the population
I have come to realise that most people have no idea or understanding of how population ancestries work

you can read an overview in the relevant wiki page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Distribution-of-genetic-ancestry-among-441-individuals-from-Argentina-by-four-major_fig1_224050244

quote:

"The population of Argentina is the result of the intermixing between several groups, including Indigenous American, European and African populations. Despite the commonly held idea that the population of Argentina is of mostly European origin, multiple studies have shown that this process of admixture had an impact in the entire Argentine population"

comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 18 minutes ago
Like most Argies Enzo probably does have some minor Amerindian in him... to give him at least some partial ancestral tie to the land going back 1000s of years

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It's not probable seeing as less than half of Argies have indigenous genes while 97% have European genes.
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most Argentinians unless they have all 4 grandparents from Europe will have some minor Amerindian admixture.
This has been proven in numerous genetic studies of the population
I have come to realise that most people have no idea or understanding of how population ancestries work

you can read an overview in the relevant wiki page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines
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You need to read your own links before posting them. This link here backs up everything said.

comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 11 minutes ago
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Distribution-of-genetic-ancestry-among-441-individuals-from-Argentina-by-four-major_fig1_224050244
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Dude, look at the pie chart in your own wiki link. 77% Caucasian. Nearly every sentence supports what I said.

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 11 minutes ago
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Distribution-of-genetic-ancestry-among-441-individuals-from-Argentina-by-four-major_fig1_224050244
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Dude, look at the pie chart in your own wiki link. 77% Caucasian. Nearly every sentence supports what I said.
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the pie charts and the study (if you actually read it) explain that whilst your average Argentinian from say BA is predominantly European , they also harbour some Amerinidan and even a small % of SSA admixture

Yeah, so what's your point? You've proven I was right about everything.

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 28 seconds ago
Yeah, so what's your point? You've proven I was right about everything.
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You said:
"It's not probable seeing as less than half of Argies have indigenous genes while 97% have European genes."

the MAJORITY of Argies have some level of Amerindian admixture....not less than half as you stated

Your own links and charts prove that's not the case. Why don't you take your time or get an adult to explain it?

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 37 seconds ago
Your own links and charts prove that's not the case. Why don't you take your time or get an adult to explain it?
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yes they do....you either haven't read the papers or don't understand them

I don't know what to say. Your own links disagree with you. Indigenous component is less than 50% in all graphs and all paragraphs and your own links say so.

comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago

I don't know what to say. Your own links disagree with you. Indigenous component is less than 50% in all graphs and all paragraphs and your own links say so.
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read please

"current population of Argentina is the result of generations of intermixing between various groups, including Indigenous Americans who originally resided in this part of South America, Spanish conquistadores and Africans brought as slaves starting in the early and late 1500s respectively, and a large European immigrant population that arrived between 1870 and 1950 [1]. This process was sex-biased, frequently involving Indigenous American women and European men, as evidenced by results from mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome analysis [2,3]. Further sources of admixture in the Argentina population have been introduced by local migration from the rural areas to the cities (1930–1980), and more recently, by immigration from other South American countries such as Paraguay, Peru and Bolivia (National Institute of Statistics and Census of Argentina (INDEC), 2008). In spite of this rich history of immigration and admixture, most of the Argentine population self-identifies as of European-descent, with only 1% of the total population self-identifying as descendants of an indigenous group (INDEC, 2006). In contrast to this perception, it has been reported that a considerable proportion of the Argentine population has at least one Indigenous American ancestor . Most of the studies that evaluated the distribution of genetic ancestry in Argentina included samples from the Buenos Aires province, where a great proportion of the population resides"

comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Like most Argies Enzo probably does have some minor Amerindian in him... to give him at least some partial ancestral tie to the land going back 1000s of years

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Firstly, so what?

Secondly, how can you be sure those Amerindian genes tie specifically to what is modern day Argentina?

Secondly, how can you be sure those Amerindian genes tie specifically to what is modern day Argentina?
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They don't. And even if they did, he'd still be wrong on the prevalence.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Like most Argies Enzo probably does have some minor Amerindian in him... to give him at least some partial ancestral tie to the land going back 1000s of years

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Firstly, so what?

Secondly, how can you be sure those Amerindian genes tie specifically to what is modern day Argentina?


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Most of the Amerindian ancestry in Argentinians is from these groups👇

"The most populous indigenous groups were the Aonikenk, Kolla, Qom, Wichí, Diaguita, Mocoví, Huarpe peoples, Mapuche and Guarani[2] Many Argentines also identify as having at least one indigenous ancestor; a genetic study conducted by the University of Buenos Aires in 2011 showed that more than 56% of the 320 Argentines sampled were shown to have at least one indigenous ancestor in one parental lineage and around 11% had indigenous ancestors in both parental lineages."

So likely Enzo has partial descent from one of these groups

comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago

I don't know what to say. Your own links disagree with you. Indigenous component is less than 50% in all graphs and all paragraphs and your own links say so.
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read please

"current population of Argentina is the result of generations of intermixing between various groups, including Indigenous Americans who originally resided in this part of South America, Spanish conquistadores and Africans brought as slaves starting in the early and late 1500s respectively, and a large European immigrant population that arrived between 1870 and 1950 [1]. This process was sex-biased, frequently involving Indigenous American women and European men, as evidenced by results from mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome analysis [2,3]. Further sources of admixture in the Argentina population have been introduced by local migration from the rural areas to the cities (1930–1980), and more recently, by immigration from other South American countries such as Paraguay, Peru and Bolivia (National Institute of Statistics and Census of Argentina (INDEC), 2008). In spite of this rich history of immigration and admixture, most of the Argentine population self-identifies as of European-descent, with only 1% of the total population self-identifying as descendants of an indigenous group (INDEC, 2006). In contrast to this perception, it has been reported that a considerable proportion of the Argentine population has at least one Indigenous American ancestor . Most of the studies that evaluated the distribution of genetic ancestry in Argentina included samples from the Buenos Aires province, where a great proportion of the population resides"
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This doesn't change anything and doesn't prove what you said. Why don't you try to explain your own point instead of telling me to read. All of your own links show it's less than 50%

comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Like most Argies Enzo probably does have some minor Amerindian in him... to give him at least some partial ancestral tie to the land going back 1000s of years

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Firstly, so what?

Secondly, how can you be sure those Amerindian genes tie specifically to what is modern day Argentina?


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Most of the Amerindian ancestry in Argentinians is from these groups👇

"The most populous indigenous groups were the Aonikenk, Kolla, Qom, Wichí, Diaguita, Mocoví, Huarpe peoples, Mapuche and Guarani[2] Many Argentines also identify as having at least one indigenous ancestor; a genetic study conducted by the University of Buenos Aires in 2011 showed that more than 56% of the 320 Argentines sampled were shown to have at least one indigenous ancestor in one parental lineage and around 11% had indigenous ancestors in both parental lineages."

So likely Enzo has partial descent from one of these groups
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The question is not whether Enzo is descendant from one of these groups though.

argies are partially tattoo ink also

comment by RoberTncUSA - Benitez for team USA (U3493)
posted 33 minutes ago
argies are partially tattoo ink also
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And ancestors of naazi war criminals

comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago

I don't know what to say. Your own links disagree with you. Indigenous component is less than 50% in all graphs and all paragraphs and your own links say so.
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read please

"current population of Argentina is the result of generations of intermixing between various groups, including Indigenous Americans who originally resided in this part of South America, Spanish conquistadores and Africans brought as slaves starting in the early and late 1500s respectively, and a large European immigrant population that arrived between 1870 and 1950 [1]. This process was sex-biased, frequently involving Indigenous American women and European men, as evidenced by results from mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome analysis [2,3]. Further sources of admixture in the Argentina population have been introduced by local migration from the rural areas to the cities (1930–1980), and more recently, by immigration from other South American countries such as Paraguay, Peru and Bolivia (National Institute of Statistics and Census of Argentina (INDEC), 2008). In spite of this rich history of immigration and admixture, most of the Argentine population self-identifies as of European-descent, with only 1% of the total population self-identifying as descendants of an indigenous group (INDEC, 2006). In contrast to this perception, it has been reported that a considerable proportion of the Argentine population has at least one Indigenous American ancestor . Most of the studies that evaluated the distribution of genetic ancestry in Argentina included samples from the Buenos Aires province, where a great proportion of the population resides"
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So basically what you're saying is that a small part of the current Argentine gene pool stems from the widespread rape of Amerindian women by European invaders.

Just to remind you, you offered this up in the context of Argentine footballers racially insulting the Afro-French footballers playing for France, implying in not so many words that their insults actually come from a place of greater legitimacy. Well done.

This reminds me of when Peks described someone as ‘100% Greek’.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 13 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago

I don't know what to say. Your own links disagree with you. Indigenous component is less than 50% in all graphs and all paragraphs and your own links say so.
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read please

"current population of Argentina is the result of generations of intermixing between various groups, including Indigenous Americans who originally resided in this part of South America, Spanish conquistadores and Africans brought as slaves starting in the early and late 1500s respectively, and a large European immigrant population that arrived between 1870 and 1950 [1]. This process was sex-biased, frequently involving Indigenous American women and European men, as evidenced by results from mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome analysis [2,3]. Further sources of admixture in the Argentina population have been introduced by local migration from the rural areas to the cities (1930–1980), and more recently, by immigration from other South American countries such as Paraguay, Peru and Bolivia (National Institute of Statistics and Census of Argentina (INDEC), 2008). In spite of this rich history of immigration and admixture, most of the Argentine population self-identifies as of European-descent, with only 1% of the total population self-identifying as descendants of an indigenous group (INDEC, 2006). In contrast to this perception, it has been reported that a considerable proportion of the Argentine population has at least one Indigenous American ancestor . Most of the studies that evaluated the distribution of genetic ancestry in Argentina included samples from the Buenos Aires province, where a great proportion of the population resides"
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So basically what you're saying is that a small part of the current Argentine gene pool stems from the widespread rape of Amerindian women by European invaders.

Just to remind you, you offered this up in the context of Argentine footballers racially insulting the Afro-French footballers playing for France, implying in not so many words that their insults actually come from a place of greater legitimacy. Well done.
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most Argentinians do indeed have small admixture from Amerindians

as with all conquests the gene flow is overwhelmingly from the conquering males into the native females.
such interactions would have occurred using the whole range of human mate relationships...from rape to consensual

same thing ofcourse has happened in Europe
my own y-chromosome haplotype is R1b , by far the most common in Western Europe which was brough here by the bronze aged Indo-europeans from the Steppe..the Yamnaya

we are all the product of conquests and migrations and all the various interactions that brought