Dame defence unless Shaw is got.
Midfield Ugarte, Mainoo, Mount.
Attack Amad, Rasmus, Garnac


Defence the dame but with Shaw
Midf

Sorry about that, brain glitch.
Rashford, Garnacho sub if not working.
No dames on pitch, only dressing room.

Which day is it?

If it's the day that we're managing against Liverpool's Moyes then i'd just instruct for them to win.

Are you two drunk..

If everyone was fit.................just to be different.

3 at the back - Yoro, De Ligt and Martinez. Maz and Shaw as wing backs. Mainoo and Ugarte. Mount and Bruno. Rasmus up top.

Go out and enjoy yourselves boys, plenty of movement and express yourselves. 3-0 please.

Surely your front six should:

Ugarte - Mainoo
Fernandes
Diallo - Hojland - Garnacho

Christ knows why you lot ever start Rashford and Casemiro. There's a decent balanced team in there but you don't seem to play them very often.

Get rid of Bruno and play 4-3-3

i was under the impression the team ETH picked vs Liverpool was pretty damn close (options available) to what most Utd fans wanted? Maybe Diallo in for Rashford?

Dont try give me casemeiro for someone either, he had a good game vs Fulham at home?

i imagine now ugartes rdy and hojlunds coming back itd be similar with those 2 coming in for chubster and fellaini?

............Onana
Maz..Yoro..De Ligt..Shaw
............Ugarte
.......Mainoo....Bruno
Amad.................Garnacho


Go out there and enjoy yourselves.
.............Rasmus

Ah feck, I have my instructions before picking my striker.

LB -Amass/Shaw
CB- Deligt
CB- Martinez
RB-The Mazz

CM-Ugarte
CM-Collyer/Bruno
CM-Mainoo

Rashford
Zirkzee/Rasmus
Amad

Midfield battle must be won.

comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 6 minutes ago
i was under the impression the team ETH picked vs Liverpool was pretty damn close (options available) to what most Utd fans wanted? Maybe Diallo in for Rashford?

Dont try give me casemeiro for someone either, he had a good game vs Fulham at home?

i imagine now ugartes rdy and hojlunds coming back itd be similar with those 2 coming in for chubster and fellaini?
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The issue isn't the personnel really, it's what the manager is telling them to do and whether that is being carried out. Honestly, the Liverpool game was more about individual mistakes, but already in the 3 games this season, it just feels a bit of a continuance from last season. We can analyse it all day, but it's just not working out

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
Get rid of Bruno and play 4-3-3
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My thoughts exactly. Bruno for weaker opposition

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
Ah feck, I have my instructions before picking my striker.


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you stole my instructions....

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 6 minutes ago
i was under the impression the team ETH picked vs Liverpool was pretty damn close (options available) to what most Utd fans wanted? Maybe Diallo in for Rashford?

Dont try give me casemeiro for someone either, he had a good game vs Fulham at home?

i imagine now ugartes rdy and hojlunds coming back itd be similar with those 2 coming in for chubster and fellaini?
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The issue isn't the personnel really, it's what the manager is telling them to do and whether that is being carried out. Honestly, the Liverpool game was more about individual mistakes, but already in the 3 games this season, it just feels a bit of a continuance from last season. We can analyse it all day, but it's just not working out
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Agree to an extent, was defending Mainoo on the liverpool thread earlier that its a bit harsh to judge any midfielder in ETHs midfield atm let alone a kid.

You can say mistakes yh but just like ETHs attempt to have fellaini lite and penandes drop on grav, we were happy to sit back and let certain utd players have the ball, case and diallo and set traps with the press or waited for interceptions. Something that once worked left us with a clear advantages all over the pitch multiple times and clearly identified and planned and comes down to ETHs system just as much as the mistakes. Diaz lost the ball as much as casemeiro first half we were sloppy and making mistakes too but clearly the system covered for it more.

case and dalot* not diallo

comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 6 minutes ago
i was under the impression the team ETH picked vs Liverpool was pretty damn close (options available) to what most Utd fans wanted? Maybe Diallo in for Rashford?

Dont try give me casemeiro for someone either, he had a good game vs Fulham at home?

i imagine now ugartes rdy and hojlunds coming back itd be similar with those 2 coming in for chubster and fellaini?
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The issue isn't the personnel really, it's what the manager is telling them to do and whether that is being carried out. Honestly, the Liverpool game was more about individual mistakes, but already in the 3 games this season, it just feels a bit of a continuance from last season. We can analyse it all day, but it's just not working out
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Agree to an extent, was defending Mainoo on the liverpool thread earlier that its a bit harsh to judge any midfielder in ETHs midfield atm let alone a kid.

You can say mistakes yh but just like ETHs attempt to have fellaini lite and penandes drop on grav, we were happy to sit back and let certain utd players have the ball, case and diallo and set traps with the press or waited for interceptions. Something that once worked left us with a clear advantages all over the pitch multiple times and clearly identified and planned and comes down to ETHs system just as much as the mistakes. Diaz lost the ball as much as casemeiro first half we were sloppy and making mistakes too but clearly the system covered for it more.
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Let's be honest, the other side is that you are currently a better team than us, so we need to be working harder and raising our game to match you - that's something we have always struggled to do against you in recent years.

Utds best games have come vs the better teams imo not surprising as its a team more suited to a counter attacking style. But yes theres issues with a lot of things.

Whats interesting and probably most worrying for utd fans is hes had a lot of money and a fair bit of time now and at times still looks no closer to fixing the same reoccuring issues. But more importantly, playing a style we can indentify? Like whats he trying to do? Keeps talking about sticking to the plan, what plan? Sympathise with what keane says at times too, utd shouldnt be a cup team. Thats exactly what u are rn though and it makes sense as again ur suited counter atking style having a lot of your best games vs the top teams.

Not sure what ETH is trying to implement but w.e it is changing from that and using a system that works better would be the main thing surely.

Have to listen to a lot of stuff about utd, i watch the overlap sky etc always talking about it, which is fine its quite interesting tbh. And a hell of a lot of good points raised by many former player/pundit, fans etc too.

Article on the athletic about us having basically the same formation as Liverpool on Sunday. Just a difference in quality execution.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
Dame defence unless Shaw is got.
Midfield Ugarte, Mainoo, Mount.
Attack Amad, Rasmus, Garnac


Defence the dame but with Shaw
Midf













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An approach which better facilitates short build-up in the first two thirds to lessen the burden on players who are having to make high risk forward passes. So players closer together and more options for the player on the ball, better movement and rotations to disrupt the opposition and create space so we can enter the final third more easily.

Introducing an element of control and more patience in possession so that every game isn't so end to end and unpredictable. It'll help us conserve energy in games and over the course of a season.

A higher defensive line and a better rest defence structure so we can better defend the space between the CBs and CMs when we lose possession. It means not having to always rely on individuals having to cover enormous amounts of space and it would also provide us with more angles when attacking as well.

There needs to be more unity when we're defending and attacking. The team needs to move up and down the pitch as one in all phases.

Lastly if we're going to continue to press then we need to fully commit to it with everybody pushing up, especially the full-backs. We're not doing it as often as we should.

None of that requires a change in formation, just maybe one or two changes in personnel but that's just down to personal preference for players.

comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 2 minutes ago
An approach which better facilitates short build-up in the first two thirds to lessen the burden on players who are having to make high risk forward passes. So players closer together and more options for the player on the ball, better movement and rotations to disrupt the opposition and create space so we can enter the final third more easily.

Introducing an element of control and more patience in possession so that every game isn't so end to end and unpredictable. It'll help us conserve energy in games and over the course of a season.

A higher defensive line and a better rest defence structure so we can better defend the space between the CBs and CMs when we lose possession. It means not having to always rely on individuals having to cover enormous amounts of space and it would also provide us with more angles when attacking as well.

There needs to be more unity when we're defending and attacking. The team needs to move up and down the pitch as one in all phases.

Lastly if we're going to continue to press then we need to fully commit to it with everybody pushing up, especially the full-backs. We're not doing it as often as we should.

None of that requires a change in formation, just maybe one or two changes in personnel but that's just down to personal preference for players.
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Thanks TRS. That makes sense.

Do you think that's what we're trying to do now and it's not coming off? Or is it something different?

I can see we're trying to win the ball high, and we've not conceded as many chances this season, so is it a case of the players not used to it year and/or some individual players veering off the plan somewhat that makes it difficult for the team as a whole to get right.

I don't see a major difference to what we were doing last season. I still don't think our press looks that particularly well drilled and I think the improvements we were seeing were more down to certain personnel than anything.

Fair enough TRS. If I recall we started last season with a lot of high turnovers didn't we?

I’ve watched the Liverpool play enough to know in nearly every role, and in some cases game to game, most the players are doing different jobs than they did last season.
In 3 games Slot has made noticeable adjustments and you can see the difference in nearly every players style.
TH has had 3 seasons and 600m+ and u could see the United players were playing at a tactical disadvantage early on.
At home, especially when Liverpool were sloppy at times, you don’t need to be the best team on the day to win. That’s what makes the great teams great.
TH never seemed able to adjust but I’d bet if he had Slot had a plan for it, too early to say with certainty but Slot just seems a far better coach. His post match interview made it seem so basic, in terms of the strategy. Ugarte is gonna some serious weight on his shoulders!