Yes, well put.
Incidentally, the same journalist has a history of Boris Johnson-style bigotry-as-banter writing. Also disgracefully tweeted mockery after the untimely death of a young disabled writer - Dawn Foster - who had previously called criticised his work. He's on the money this time, but sometimes even unprincipled hacks do get it right.
Giles Coren is a massive racist bellllend though.
Knock off Rod Stewart wannabe anyway, good riddance
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 12 minutes ago
Giles Coren is a massive racist bellllend though.
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This. Can't stand the сunt
Talking of rats leaving the sinking ship !
their are others as well you know !
Good, never liked the twot anyway
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Giles Coren is a massive racist bellllend though.
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True, but he's on the money here
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 38 minutes ago
Talking of rats leaving the sinking ship !
their are others as well you know !
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I pay UK tax on my pension
Gotta laugh at these rich people that try and pretend they’re patriots, threatening to leave because people want to tax their obscene wealth to actually improve the country they pretend to love.
What I find hard to fathom is why so many working class voters still look to these flag-waving tax dodgers as the people who best represent their own interests and have the best chance of 'saving' their country.
If this country is a sinking ship, you have to ask the question, why do so many people from across the world, want to come and live here !
I'm sure that their are figures available, as to how many Brits are leaving the country, as opposed to how many other peoples are arriving ?
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 42 seconds ago
If this country is a sinking ship, you have to ask the question, why do so many people from across the world, want to come and live here !
I'm sure that their are figures available, as to how many Brits are leaving the country, as opposed to how many other peoples are arriving ?
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Britain is a rich country, but becoming less so. People want to come here as refugees, or to make a better life.
One reason often overlooked is that English is a first or second language everywhere.
I saw somewhere on the news not long ago, that the number of French people living in London, would make it the 6th(I think) largest city of France !
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 14 minutes ago
If this country is a sinking ship, you have to ask the question, why do so many people from across the world, want to come and live here !
I'm sure that their are figures available, as to how many Brits are leaving the country, as opposed to how many other peoples are arriving ?
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Bangladesh and Turkey must be among the most desirable countries in the world, based on your rationale, as they are host to vastly more refugees (in absolute terms and per capita) than the UK.
As usual, there is a lot misconception of what is really happening in the UK as to what is reported.
We are indeed a very wealthy nation, that relies heavily on immigration to maintain it's workforce. That is a mixture of both 'high-level' jobs, as well as more manual task type jobs.
Let's also be honest, our own workforce is less willing to take on low-paid jobs, and partly due to brexit, it's a lot more difficult to fill these roles from abroad.
Immigration is always reported as a bad thing and also wrongly mixed up with asylum seekers - of course bad eggs come across, but the vast majority want to work and contribute.
But the arguments are always simplified too much to 'stop the boats', or 'just look if the numbers go up or down' - it requires a grown-up approach and thinking, not headline grabbing policies which don't work and just appeal to the extremes
‘According to Saturday’s Times, hundreds of similarly mean, greedy corporate profiteers with no moral fibre, patriotism or sense of community are threatening to leave in the face of Starmer’s “those with the broadest shoulders” policy, even hiring specialist companies to help them relocate. Scuum. The very worst of the worst.’
Yep. Pure human filth.
Spotted this one the other day after the Mail completely lost its shiiiit about Carsley not singing the national anthem:
‘This is Lord Rothermere the Daily Mail Owner.
He lives in a mansion in Monaco, he pays tax in France and identifies as French.
The Daily Mail is registered in Bermuda and it pays no tax anywhere.
Why’s a tax dodger complaining about someone not singing the National Anthem.’
These animals are deluded enough to see themselves as purebred patriots when in actuality their behaviour is as manifestly unpatriotic as it is quite possible to be.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 14 minutes ago
If this country is a sinking ship, you have to ask the question, why do so many people from across the world, want to come and live here !
I'm sure that their are figures available, as to how many Brits are leaving the country, as opposed to how many other peoples are arriving ?
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Bangladesh and Turkey must be among the most desirable countries in the world, based on your rationale, as they are host to vastly more refugees (in absolute terms and per capita) than the UK.
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Just to ask the question, Is Great Britain a sinking ship ? I certainly do not think so, nor do the many people who live and wish to live here !
Fair enough H von H, I wouldn't use that metaphor either. But I think it's important to remind ourselves that there are lots of countries in the world that are less prosperous which are host to far more migrants than the UK, which is a useful reality to keep in mind when prevailing ideas suggest that the country is being overwhelmed by vast numbers of people in search of a better life.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 47 minutes ago
As usual, there is a lot misconception of what is really happening in the UK as to what is reported.
We are indeed a very wealthy nation, that relies heavily on immigration to maintain it's workforce. That is a mixture of both 'high-level' jobs, as well as more manual task type jobs.
Let's also be honest, our own workforce is less willing to take on low-paid jobs, and partly due to brexit, it's a lot more difficult to fill these roles from abroad.
Immigration is always reported as a bad thing and also wrongly mixed up with asylum seekers - of course bad eggs come across, but the vast majority want to work and contribute.
But the arguments are always simplified too much to 'stop the boats', or 'just look if the numbers go up or down' - it requires a grown-up approach and thinking, not headline grabbing policies which don't work and just appeal to the extremes
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Important points. I'd just add that our rapidly aging population means we have proportionately far fewer people of working age to keep the economy going. We either need to compel women to have far more babies, welcome the economic support that migrants provide, or accept long-term decline, together with the collapse of the elderly care system.
This country doesnt need these self proclaimed 'patriates' who threaten to fack off if they have to pay their way to live here just because they have money. Most of them wont btw. But I wish they would.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 37 minutes ago
Spotted this one the other day after the Mail completely lost its shiiiit about Carsley not singing the national anthem:
‘This is Lord Rothermere the Daily Mail Owner.
He lives in a mansion in Monaco, he pays tax in France and identifies as French.
The Daily Mail is registered in Bermuda and it pays no tax anywhere.
Why’s a tax dodger complaining about someone not singing the National Anthem.’
These animals are deluded enough to see themselves as purebred patriots when in actuality their behaviour is as manifestly unpatriotic as it is quite possible to be.
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 47 minutes ago
As usual, there is a lot misconception of what is really happening in the UK as to what is reported.
We are indeed a very wealthy nation, that relies heavily on immigration to maintain it's workforce. That is a mixture of both 'high-level' jobs, as well as more manual task type jobs.
Let's also be honest, our own workforce is less willing to take on low-paid jobs, and partly due to brexit, it's a lot more difficult to fill these roles from abroad.
Immigration is always reported as a bad thing and also wrongly mixed up with asylum seekers - of course bad eggs come across, but the vast majority want to work and contribute.
But the arguments are always simplified too much to 'stop the boats', or 'just look if the numbers go up or down' - it requires a grown-up approach and thinking, not headline grabbing policies which don't work and just appeal to the extremes
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Important points. I'd just add that our rapidly aging population means we have proportionately far fewer people of working age to keep the economy going. We either need to compel women to have far more babies, welcome the economic support that migrants provide, or accept long-term decline, together with the collapse of the elderly care system.
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Think it's more the system itself that needs changing, the priorities are all wrong. Take looking after the elderly, many of the staff suffer some of the worst pay and conditions around for what should be one of the most valuable roles in society.
We're living in a strange world where the vast majority of our jobs, our precious short time alive is to contribute to what is an unsustainable growth model, usually in roles we don't particularly enjoy.
At some point we need to look at moving on from the current system and that "some point" is rapidly becoming a tipping point to global disaster when the choice for something better disappears and all you're left with is misery. Misery billions of humans and animals - propping up what we've created over the last century isn't going to cut it.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
We are indeed a very wealthy nation, that relies heavily on immigration to maintain it's workforce. That is a mixture of both 'high-level' jobs, as well as more manual task type jobs.
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Not only have we benefitted from immmigration, we've also benefitted from automation. Massive amount of foreign and automated workers have been added to underpin the economic foundations of the Country.
Yet, we can't afford a winter fuel payment for pensioners apparently.
Have you actually done the sums on this yourself or are you just blindly repeating a popular opinion?
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
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Think it's more the system itself that needs changing, the priorities are all wrong. Take looking after the elderly, many of the staff suffer some of the worst pay and conditions around for what should be one of the most valuable roles in society.
We're living in a strange world where the vast majority of our jobs, our precious short time alive is to contribute to what is an unsustainable growth model, usually in roles we don't particularly enjoy.
At some point we need to look at moving on from the current system and that "some point" is rapidly becoming a tipping point to global disaster when the choice for something better disappears and all you're left with is misery. Misery billions of humans and animals - propping up what we've created over the last century isn't going to cut it.
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posted on 10/9/24
Yes, well put.
Incidentally, the same journalist has a history of Boris Johnson-style bigotry-as-banter writing. Also disgracefully tweeted mockery after the untimely death of a young disabled writer - Dawn Foster - who had previously called criticised his work. He's on the money this time, but sometimes even unprincipled hacks do get it right.
posted on 10/9/24
Giles Coren is a massive racist bellllend though.
posted on 10/9/24
Knock off Rod Stewart wannabe anyway, good riddance
posted on 10/9/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 12 minutes ago
Giles Coren is a massive racist bellllend though.
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This. Can't stand the сunt
posted on 10/9/24
Talking of rats leaving the sinking ship !
their are others as well you know !
posted on 10/9/24
Good, never liked the twot anyway
posted on 10/9/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Giles Coren is a massive racist bellllend though.
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True, but he's on the money here
posted on 10/9/24
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 38 minutes ago
Talking of rats leaving the sinking ship !
their are others as well you know !
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I pay UK tax on my pension
posted on 10/9/24
Gotta laugh at these rich people that try and pretend they’re patriots, threatening to leave because people want to tax their obscene wealth to actually improve the country they pretend to love.
posted on 10/9/24
What I find hard to fathom is why so many working class voters still look to these flag-waving tax dodgers as the people who best represent their own interests and have the best chance of 'saving' their country.
posted on 10/9/24
If this country is a sinking ship, you have to ask the question, why do so many people from across the world, want to come and live here !
I'm sure that their are figures available, as to how many Brits are leaving the country, as opposed to how many other peoples are arriving ?
posted on 10/9/24
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 42 seconds ago
If this country is a sinking ship, you have to ask the question, why do so many people from across the world, want to come and live here !
I'm sure that their are figures available, as to how many Brits are leaving the country, as opposed to how many other peoples are arriving ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Britain is a rich country, but becoming less so. People want to come here as refugees, or to make a better life.
One reason often overlooked is that English is a first or second language everywhere.
posted on 10/9/24
I saw somewhere on the news not long ago, that the number of French people living in London, would make it the 6th(I think) largest city of France !
posted on 10/9/24
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 14 minutes ago
If this country is a sinking ship, you have to ask the question, why do so many people from across the world, want to come and live here !
I'm sure that their are figures available, as to how many Brits are leaving the country, as opposed to how many other peoples are arriving ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bangladesh and Turkey must be among the most desirable countries in the world, based on your rationale, as they are host to vastly more refugees (in absolute terms and per capita) than the UK.
posted on 10/9/24
As usual, there is a lot misconception of what is really happening in the UK as to what is reported.
We are indeed a very wealthy nation, that relies heavily on immigration to maintain it's workforce. That is a mixture of both 'high-level' jobs, as well as more manual task type jobs.
Let's also be honest, our own workforce is less willing to take on low-paid jobs, and partly due to brexit, it's a lot more difficult to fill these roles from abroad.
Immigration is always reported as a bad thing and also wrongly mixed up with asylum seekers - of course bad eggs come across, but the vast majority want to work and contribute.
But the arguments are always simplified too much to 'stop the boats', or 'just look if the numbers go up or down' - it requires a grown-up approach and thinking, not headline grabbing policies which don't work and just appeal to the extremes
posted on 10/9/24
‘According to Saturday’s Times, hundreds of similarly mean, greedy corporate profiteers with no moral fibre, patriotism or sense of community are threatening to leave in the face of Starmer’s “those with the broadest shoulders” policy, even hiring specialist companies to help them relocate. Scuum. The very worst of the worst.’
Yep. Pure human filth.
posted on 10/9/24
Spotted this one the other day after the Mail completely lost its shiiiit about Carsley not singing the national anthem:
‘This is Lord Rothermere the Daily Mail Owner.
He lives in a mansion in Monaco, he pays tax in France and identifies as French.
The Daily Mail is registered in Bermuda and it pays no tax anywhere.
Why’s a tax dodger complaining about someone not singing the National Anthem.’
These animals are deluded enough to see themselves as purebred patriots when in actuality their behaviour is as manifestly unpatriotic as it is quite possible to be.
posted on 10/9/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 14 minutes ago
If this country is a sinking ship, you have to ask the question, why do so many people from across the world, want to come and live here !
I'm sure that their are figures available, as to how many Brits are leaving the country, as opposed to how many other peoples are arriving ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bangladesh and Turkey must be among the most desirable countries in the world, based on your rationale, as they are host to vastly more refugees (in absolute terms and per capita) than the UK.
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Just to ask the question, Is Great Britain a sinking ship ? I certainly do not think so, nor do the many people who live and wish to live here !
posted on 10/9/24
Fair enough H von H, I wouldn't use that metaphor either. But I think it's important to remind ourselves that there are lots of countries in the world that are less prosperous which are host to far more migrants than the UK, which is a useful reality to keep in mind when prevailing ideas suggest that the country is being overwhelmed by vast numbers of people in search of a better life.
posted on 10/9/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 47 minutes ago
As usual, there is a lot misconception of what is really happening in the UK as to what is reported.
We are indeed a very wealthy nation, that relies heavily on immigration to maintain it's workforce. That is a mixture of both 'high-level' jobs, as well as more manual task type jobs.
Let's also be honest, our own workforce is less willing to take on low-paid jobs, and partly due to brexit, it's a lot more difficult to fill these roles from abroad.
Immigration is always reported as a bad thing and also wrongly mixed up with asylum seekers - of course bad eggs come across, but the vast majority want to work and contribute.
But the arguments are always simplified too much to 'stop the boats', or 'just look if the numbers go up or down' - it requires a grown-up approach and thinking, not headline grabbing policies which don't work and just appeal to the extremes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Important points. I'd just add that our rapidly aging population means we have proportionately far fewer people of working age to keep the economy going. We either need to compel women to have far more babies, welcome the economic support that migrants provide, or accept long-term decline, together with the collapse of the elderly care system.
posted on 10/9/24
This country doesnt need these self proclaimed 'patriates' who threaten to fack off if they have to pay their way to live here just because they have money. Most of them wont btw. But I wish they would.
posted on 10/9/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 37 minutes ago
Spotted this one the other day after the Mail completely lost its shiiiit about Carsley not singing the national anthem:
‘This is Lord Rothermere the Daily Mail Owner.
He lives in a mansion in Monaco, he pays tax in France and identifies as French.
The Daily Mail is registered in Bermuda and it pays no tax anywhere.
Why’s a tax dodger complaining about someone not singing the National Anthem.’
These animals are deluded enough to see themselves as purebred patriots when in actuality their behaviour is as manifestly unpatriotic as it is quite possible to be.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 10/9/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 47 minutes ago
As usual, there is a lot misconception of what is really happening in the UK as to what is reported.
We are indeed a very wealthy nation, that relies heavily on immigration to maintain it's workforce. That is a mixture of both 'high-level' jobs, as well as more manual task type jobs.
Let's also be honest, our own workforce is less willing to take on low-paid jobs, and partly due to brexit, it's a lot more difficult to fill these roles from abroad.
Immigration is always reported as a bad thing and also wrongly mixed up with asylum seekers - of course bad eggs come across, but the vast majority want to work and contribute.
But the arguments are always simplified too much to 'stop the boats', or 'just look if the numbers go up or down' - it requires a grown-up approach and thinking, not headline grabbing policies which don't work and just appeal to the extremes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Important points. I'd just add that our rapidly aging population means we have proportionately far fewer people of working age to keep the economy going. We either need to compel women to have far more babies, welcome the economic support that migrants provide, or accept long-term decline, together with the collapse of the elderly care system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think it's more the system itself that needs changing, the priorities are all wrong. Take looking after the elderly, many of the staff suffer some of the worst pay and conditions around for what should be one of the most valuable roles in society.
We're living in a strange world where the vast majority of our jobs, our precious short time alive is to contribute to what is an unsustainable growth model, usually in roles we don't particularly enjoy.
At some point we need to look at moving on from the current system and that "some point" is rapidly becoming a tipping point to global disaster when the choice for something better disappears and all you're left with is misery. Misery billions of humans and animals - propping up what we've created over the last century isn't going to cut it.
posted on 10/9/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
We are indeed a very wealthy nation, that relies heavily on immigration to maintain it's workforce. That is a mixture of both 'high-level' jobs, as well as more manual task type jobs.
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Not only have we benefitted from immmigration, we've also benefitted from automation. Massive amount of foreign and automated workers have been added to underpin the economic foundations of the Country.
Yet, we can't afford a winter fuel payment for pensioners apparently.
Have you actually done the sums on this yourself or are you just blindly repeating a popular opinion?
posted on 10/9/24
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
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Think it's more the system itself that needs changing, the priorities are all wrong. Take looking after the elderly, many of the staff suffer some of the worst pay and conditions around for what should be one of the most valuable roles in society.
We're living in a strange world where the vast majority of our jobs, our precious short time alive is to contribute to what is an unsustainable growth model, usually in roles we don't particularly enjoy.
At some point we need to look at moving on from the current system and that "some point" is rapidly becoming a tipping point to global disaster when the choice for something better disappears and all you're left with is misery. Misery billions of humans and animals - propping up what we've created over the last century isn't going to cut it.
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