posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
i get your argument but context is key with the europa games in there
win that though and can lose 15 prem games for all i care
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
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I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
Big big game for Ange tonight.
City are expected to start a lot of youngsters, they are without 6 first team players through injury and very unlikely to risk the likes of Haaland, Foden, Gvardiol and Ederson.
We can win this if we go strong, rotating only a couple of players - Udogie and Biss for instance.
If we rotate ourselves out tonight then I don’t think Ange makes Xmas - Villa at home we have lost the last 2 seasons, Galatasaray away will be incredibly difficult. We could be going into the Ipswich game on the back of 4 defeats, then first game back from the international break is City away - and we know what are away record is like.
Great chance to bounce back tonight and give the fans that belief we could end the trophy drought - someone is drawing Southampton in the next round.
If it’s Bergvall, Werner, Richy, Dragusin, Forster tonight and we get knocked out then he will deserve the pelters that come his way
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
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I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
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Arsenal finished 8th in each of Arteta's first two seasons and every Arsenal fan to a man were calling for him to go. Look what happened when the club stuck with him.
Our fans have given up on Ange after just one season (when we finished 5th ) and 9 games into this second season when we're just 5 points off top 4
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
City are apparently gonna field a load of academy players.
Just saying….
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
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Arsenal finished 8th in each of Arteta's first two seasons and every Arsenal fan to a man were calling for him to go. Look what happened when the club stuck with him.
Our fans have given up on Ange after just one season (when we finished 5th ) and 9 games into this second season when we're just 5 points off top 4
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Well he took over part way through that first season and won an FA Cup. Ange had a full season in his first.
Yeah it looked bleak for Arteta at certain stages. During the 2nd season they were arguably in a situation where Levy might have sacked him if this were at Spurs. Levy might have sacked him finishing 5th the next season too. He still increased the points total on the last season though and they finished the season strong. There was a bit of progress. Maybe Ange can do this but there are going to have to be some signs soon.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
You never know we might beat them tonight.
COYS COYS COYS
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
City are apparently gonna field a load of academy players.
Just saying….
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Going to make the loss even worse for Ange then.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
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Arsenal finished 8th in each of Arteta's first two seasons and every Arsenal fan to a man were calling for him to go. Look what happened when the club stuck with him.
Our fans have given up on Ange after just one season (when we finished 5th ) and 9 games into this second season when we're just 5 points off top 4
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Take the first 10 games of Ange’s reign out and it’s fairly grim reading. We started on fire and have shown mid table form since.
The bigger worry is our away record. We should have beaten Leicester, Newcastle and Brighton on balance, but took only 1 point somehow. Palace was an awful no show. We beat Inited convincingly - but they’ve just sacked their manager.
The saving grace is the home form where we have beaten everyone bar Arsenal.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
City are apparently gonna field a load of academy players.
Just saying….
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Going to make the loss even worse for Ange then.
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Well…..
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 11 minutes ago
City are apparently gonna field a load of academy players.
Just saying….
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Said this in my post, no Rodri, KDB, Grealish, Walker. Unlikely to risk Haaland, Foden, Gvardiol, Ederson.
It’s going to be as weak a City line up as Pep has ever put out against us - all of our other managers in Peps reign won this fixture.
We have zero need to rest anyone beyond Udogie tonight, so I expect us to go strong.
We rested players against AZ only for the rested players not to turn up against Palace anyway - full strength tonight Ange
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Arsenal finished 8th in each of Arteta's first two seasons and every Arsenal fan to a man were calling for him to go. Look what happened when the club stuck with him.
Our fans have given up on Ange after just one season (when we finished 5th ) and 9 games into this second season when we're just 5 points off top 4
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Take the first 10 games of Ange’s reign out and it’s fairly grim reading. We started on fire and have shown mid table form since.
The bigger worry is our away record. We should have beaten Leicester, Newcastle and Brighton on balance, but took only 1 point somehow. Palace was an awful no show. We beat Inited convincingly - but they’ve just sacked their manager.
The saving grace is the home form where we have beaten everyone bar Arsenal.
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Beaten everyone at home but the best team we beat currently sits 9th. Villa will be a better test at home.
That unbeaten 10 game run we started off with is more and more looking like a sort of one off period when the league wasn't ready for a Spurs with a new brand of football under a new manager and new players with their tails up. Since this we've started to see teams get joy out of us by coming in looking organised at the back and working us out.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
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Arsenal finished 8th in each of Arteta's first two seasons and every Arsenal fan to a man were calling for him to go. Look what happened when the club stuck with him.
Our fans have given up on Ange after just one season (when we finished 5th ) and 9 games into this second season when we're just 5 points off top 4
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Take the first 10 games of Ange’s reign out and it’s fairly grim reading. We started on fire and have shown mid table form since.
The bigger worry is our away record. We should have beaten Leicester, Newcastle and Brighton on balance, but took only 1 point somehow. Palace was an awful no show. We beat Inited convincingly - but they’ve just sacked their manager.
The saving grace is the home form where we have beaten everyone bar Arsenal.
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Beaten everyone at home but the best team we beat currently sits 9th. Villa will be a better test at home.
That unbeaten 10 game run we started off with is more and more looking like a sort of one off period when the league wasn't ready for a Spurs with a new brand of football under a new manager and new players with their tails up. Since this we've started to see teams get joy out of us by coming in looking organised at the back and working us out.
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I agree, but at the same time, we can’t beat him with the stick that we’ve mostly only played Cannon fodder at home so far, the scheduling isn’t his fault
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
He can certainly be judged by the opposition he is beating and losing to.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 54 minutes ago
He can certainly be judged by the opposition he is beating and losing to.
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He can, but he can’t be judged on the opposition he has yet to play this season.
You can’t say his home record this season is schitt because we haven’t beaten Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City at home.
Fact is he has won every home game bar one. He has to find a way to sort out our abysmal away form
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 54 minutes ago
He can certainly be judged by the opposition he is beating and losing to.
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He can, but he can’t be judged on the opposition he has yet to play this season.
You can’t say his home record this season is schitt because we haven’t beaten Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City at home.
Fact is he has won every home game bar one. He has to find a way to sort out our abysmal away form
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Yea, I don't disagree. But on the flip side, beating Everton and Brentford at home should be expected given the respective squads. West Ham was a decent performance to be fair and often a banana skin at home. You are right, we can't knock him.for winning those games but id definitely expect to beat those sides at home.
He doesn't just nerd to improve our away form, he also needs to start beating bigger sides both and away more frequently. His record against the better sides is abysmal.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
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posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
i get your argument but context is key with the europa games in there
win that though and can lose 15 prem games for all i care
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
Big big game for Ange tonight.
City are expected to start a lot of youngsters, they are without 6 first team players through injury and very unlikely to risk the likes of Haaland, Foden, Gvardiol and Ederson.
We can win this if we go strong, rotating only a couple of players - Udogie and Biss for instance.
If we rotate ourselves out tonight then I don’t think Ange makes Xmas - Villa at home we have lost the last 2 seasons, Galatasaray away will be incredibly difficult. We could be going into the Ipswich game on the back of 4 defeats, then first game back from the international break is City away - and we know what are away record is like.
Great chance to bounce back tonight and give the fans that belief we could end the trophy drought - someone is drawing Southampton in the next round.
If it’s Bergvall, Werner, Richy, Dragusin, Forster tonight and we get knocked out then he will deserve the pelters that come his way
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
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Arsenal finished 8th in each of Arteta's first two seasons and every Arsenal fan to a man were calling for him to go. Look what happened when the club stuck with him.
Our fans have given up on Ange after just one season (when we finished 5th ) and 9 games into this second season when we're just 5 points off top 4
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
City are apparently gonna field a load of academy players.
Just saying….
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
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I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
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Arsenal finished 8th in each of Arteta's first two seasons and every Arsenal fan to a man were calling for him to go. Look what happened when the club stuck with him.
Our fans have given up on Ange after just one season (when we finished 5th ) and 9 games into this second season when we're just 5 points off top 4
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Well he took over part way through that first season and won an FA Cup. Ange had a full season in his first.
Yeah it looked bleak for Arteta at certain stages. During the 2nd season they were arguably in a situation where Levy might have sacked him if this were at Spurs. Levy might have sacked him finishing 5th the next season too. He still increased the points total on the last season though and they finished the season strong. There was a bit of progress. Maybe Ange can do this but there are going to have to be some signs soon.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
You never know we might beat them tonight.
COYS COYS COYS
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
City are apparently gonna field a load of academy players.
Just saying….
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Going to make the loss even worse for Ange then.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
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I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
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Arsenal finished 8th in each of Arteta's first two seasons and every Arsenal fan to a man were calling for him to go. Look what happened when the club stuck with him.
Our fans have given up on Ange after just one season (when we finished 5th ) and 9 games into this second season when we're just 5 points off top 4
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Take the first 10 games of Ange’s reign out and it’s fairly grim reading. We started on fire and have shown mid table form since.
The bigger worry is our away record. We should have beaten Leicester, Newcastle and Brighton on balance, but took only 1 point somehow. Palace was an awful no show. We beat Inited convincingly - but they’ve just sacked their manager.
The saving grace is the home form where we have beaten everyone bar Arsenal.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
City are apparently gonna field a load of academy players.
Just saying….
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Going to make the loss even worse for Ange then.
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Well…..
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 11 minutes ago
City are apparently gonna field a load of academy players.
Just saying….
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Said this in my post, no Rodri, KDB, Grealish, Walker. Unlikely to risk Haaland, Foden, Gvardiol, Ederson.
It’s going to be as weak a City line up as Pep has ever put out against us - all of our other managers in Peps reign won this fixture.
We have zero need to rest anyone beyond Udogie tonight, so I expect us to go strong.
We rested players against AZ only for the rested players not to turn up against Palace anyway - full strength tonight Ange
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
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I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
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Arsenal finished 8th in each of Arteta's first two seasons and every Arsenal fan to a man were calling for him to go. Look what happened when the club stuck with him.
Our fans have given up on Ange after just one season (when we finished 5th ) and 9 games into this second season when we're just 5 points off top 4
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Take the first 10 games of Ange’s reign out and it’s fairly grim reading. We started on fire and have shown mid table form since.
The bigger worry is our away record. We should have beaten Leicester, Newcastle and Brighton on balance, but took only 1 point somehow. Palace was an awful no show. We beat Inited convincingly - but they’ve just sacked their manager.
The saving grace is the home form where we have beaten everyone bar Arsenal.
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Beaten everyone at home but the best team we beat currently sits 9th. Villa will be a better test at home.
That unbeaten 10 game run we started off with is more and more looking like a sort of one off period when the league wasn't ready for a Spurs with a new brand of football under a new manager and new players with their tails up. Since this we've started to see teams get joy out of us by coming in looking organised at the back and working us out.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
We have lost 4 games out of 9 in the league so far this season, 1 against our big rivals (at home) and then Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. We still have alot of tough away games to come where inevitable losses are waiting.
We can argue about player quality all we want, but we have better teams than Palace, Brighton and Newcastle. These losses relate to our coach IMO.
We've won 4 games, let's not forget that. But I'd argue they were against teams we should be beating. But I get results don't always follow quality (on paper).
IMO Ange should be under pressure. He isn't improving the results or any players (maybe Kulu and BJ excluded). He doesn't play attractive football as much as we are lead to believe. There is limited to no improvement since he joined us. Infact, we have got worse.
I want Ange to succeed but I just don't see it. We could win today but lose Sunday. Any win is always followed by a very quick loss down the road. Inconsistency is our philosophy now.
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I'm astonished by this assessment, but it appears that I'm in a minority.
Time will tell whose right or wrong and maybe the improvement I think I'm seeing is an apparition.
Everyone says it's a results business, but then go on to dismiss 7 wins out of the last 9 games as irrelevant!
A couple of the losses we suffered this season so far were unlucky as we were by far the better team (i.e. vs. Newcastle and to a lesser extent vs Arsenal). We were by far the better team against Leicester and we all know how the wheels fell off in the second half against Brighton.
If we had lost 7 out of 9 I would definitely be saying the manager should go
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The run of games won was mostly against fodder though, and if we were unlucky against Brighton or Newcastle (not sure it's luck anyway as we obviously didn't do enough to win) then we were also lucky ourselves to beat Coventry.
The league form does not lie though, it's a continuation of regular losses dating back from last season. The most recent one against Palace was I would say the worst performance yet where we just simply did not show anything all game.
I try and see how we start to turn things around and go back to how we started under Ange but I can't at the moment. I mean it took Arteta a while to get things going but there was at least a bit of progress shown from season to season and he had issues with players to sort out, nor spent as much as Ange did.
Last season we finished 5th so if we can't match that, and it's not looking good so far, then no progress has been made, unless we are able to justify a lower position by doing something in one of the other competitions.
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Arsenal finished 8th in each of Arteta's first two seasons and every Arsenal fan to a man were calling for him to go. Look what happened when the club stuck with him.
Our fans have given up on Ange after just one season (when we finished 5th ) and 9 games into this second season when we're just 5 points off top 4
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Take the first 10 games of Ange’s reign out and it’s fairly grim reading. We started on fire and have shown mid table form since.
The bigger worry is our away record. We should have beaten Leicester, Newcastle and Brighton on balance, but took only 1 point somehow. Palace was an awful no show. We beat Inited convincingly - but they’ve just sacked their manager.
The saving grace is the home form where we have beaten everyone bar Arsenal.
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Beaten everyone at home but the best team we beat currently sits 9th. Villa will be a better test at home.
That unbeaten 10 game run we started off with is more and more looking like a sort of one off period when the league wasn't ready for a Spurs with a new brand of football under a new manager and new players with their tails up. Since this we've started to see teams get joy out of us by coming in looking organised at the back and working us out.
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I agree, but at the same time, we can’t beat him with the stick that we’ve mostly only played Cannon fodder at home so far, the scheduling isn’t his fault
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
He can certainly be judged by the opposition he is beating and losing to.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 54 minutes ago
He can certainly be judged by the opposition he is beating and losing to.
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He can, but he can’t be judged on the opposition he has yet to play this season.
You can’t say his home record this season is schitt because we haven’t beaten Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City at home.
Fact is he has won every home game bar one. He has to find a way to sort out our abysmal away form
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 54 minutes ago
He can certainly be judged by the opposition he is beating and losing to.
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He can, but he can’t be judged on the opposition he has yet to play this season.
You can’t say his home record this season is schitt because we haven’t beaten Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City at home.
Fact is he has won every home game bar one. He has to find a way to sort out our abysmal away form
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Yea, I don't disagree. But on the flip side, beating Everton and Brentford at home should be expected given the respective squads. West Ham was a decent performance to be fair and often a banana skin at home. You are right, we can't knock him.for winning those games but id definitely expect to beat those sides at home.
He doesn't just nerd to improve our away form, he also needs to start beating bigger sides both and away more frequently. His record against the better sides is abysmal.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
8.15 kick off, just for sky, traffic issues and its 9 o'clock ridiculous
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