comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
As has been said previously, Pep has had the privilege of managing the best clubs with the best players everywhere he has been. I am not at all convinced that he could have done what SAF did.
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How many times has Pep (or City, whichever you like) broken the transfer record?
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I'm not wasting my time with you on such a simplistic view that doesn't take into consideration existing squad strength or overall spend. And that also doesn't take into consideration the state that United was in when SAF took over.

When Pep walked into the City job everything had been meticulously planned for his arrival. He had a great starting point. SAF inherited a squad with a drinking culture and a youth system that was struggling to produce.

He had a hell of a lot of work to do getting the club back on track away from the pitch. Pep had the luxury of just focusing on coaching.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
No-one has said he was buying refs???

Regardless, their legacies and impact on the game are poles apart. It’s not really up for debate.
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Sorry, totally misread that Robbing. My bad, I left my reading glasses at home today.

Don't be silly. Of course it is up for debate.
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No worries.

Fair enough, what’s Ferguson legacy and impact on the game today do you feel?
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I need to go collect a dog kennel, but will try and get back to you later this evening.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
As has been said previously, Pep has had the privilege of managing the best clubs with the best players everywhere he has been. I am not at all convinced that he could have done what SAF did.
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How many times has Pep (or City, whichever you like) broken the transfer record?
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I'm not wasting my time with you on such a simplistic view that doesn't take into consideration existing squad strength or overall spend. And that also doesn't take into consideration the state that United was in when SAF took over.

When Pep walked into the City job everything had been meticulously planned for his arrival. He had a great starting point. SAF inherited a squad with a drinking culture and a youth system that was struggling to produce.

He had a hell of a lot of work to do getting the club back on track away from the pitch. Pep had the luxury of just focusing on coaching.
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That’s not right, it needed rebuilding, which didn’t happen til after his first season.

Yep, he moved ob loads of players. Mangala springs to mind Melts who if memory serves, we both thought would come good

What I loath is people rewriting history. Ferguson spent absolutely oodles on wages and transfer fees to put Utd at the top, more than anyone else until Roman came along. He’s quite obviously out spent everybody and hoovered up the leagues best talent by repeatedly breaking the transfer record and poaching players.

The answer to the above question re: transfer records is zero by the way. It’s never happened at any club he’s managed.

People talk about Aberdeen. I’d put Cloughs work at Forest WAY above that myself.

Fergie was a great manager, but his impact on the game is gone, there’s no legacy in terms of style or methods, none of his coaches or players have gone on to win leagues either. McLaren maybe.

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 48 minutes ago

He couldn't take Aberdeen to two league titles and a UEFA Cup win vs Madrid.
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It was three league titles but he also benefited from a drop in form of both Rangers and Celtic evidenced by Dundee United also winning a title sandwiched between Aberdeen's.

As for Euro success even Rangers and Celtic have both made finals this century both losing narrowly AET so it is not that unusual plus throw in it was way before the money era and it was not a massive feat.

I think we can all understand what someone trying to label SAF’s legacy at United as bullying refs and buying success is doing, without needing to worry about it.

Anyone can decide what metric they want to use in this debate, but it’ll always come back to the fact that they’re two very different people who did two very different jobs.

Pep would struggle to do what SAF did and vice versa.

Will Pep have a longer lasting effect on the game? Possibly. And if so, it’s because the model of the club he manages is standard now - which makes it pretty clear how meaningless the point is.

Both absolute legends of the game, regardless.

“What I loath is people rewriting history. Ferguson spent absolutely oodles on wages and transfer fees to put Utd at the top, more than anyone else until Roman came along.”

Didn’t Liverpool outspend United in the 90’s?

I think any big club rely on money, of course, but the idea Ferguson just bought success, given the players he developed and used, would generally lead to people laughing out loud.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
Yep, he moved ob loads of players. Mangala springs to mind Melts who if memory serves, we both thought would come good

What I loath is people rewriting history. Ferguson spent absolutely oodles on wages and transfer fees to put Utd at the top, more than anyone else until Roman came along. He’s quite obviously out spent everybody and hoovered up the leagues best talent by repeatedly breaking the transfer record and poaching players.

The answer to the above question re: transfer records is zero by the way. It’s never happened at any club he’s managed.

People talk about Aberdeen. I’d put Cloughs work at Forest WAY above that myself.

Fergie was a great manager, but his impact on the game is gone, there’s no legacy in terms of style or methods, none of his coaches or players have gone on to win leagues either. McLaren maybe.
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Yes I really rated Mangala when he joined. Got that one very wrong!

Fergie never had to deal with FFP or VAR.

It might have turned out differently if there had been rules to to curb United's spending and Fergie Time wouldn't have been a thing with the TV scrutiny games get these days.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
Fergie never had to deal with FFP or VAR.

It might have turned out differently if there had been rules to to curb United's spending and Fergie Time wouldn't have been a thing with the TV scrutiny games get these days.
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How would United have suffered due to FFP under Fergie?

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
Fergie never had to deal with FFP or VAR.

It might have turned out differently if there had been rules to to curb United's spending and Fergie Time wouldn't have been a thing with the TV scrutiny games get these days.
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How would United have suffered due to FFP under Fergie?
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He kept smashing the transfer record, probably had to borrow money at times to do it.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
Fergie never had to deal with FFP or VAR.

It might have turned out differently if there had been rules to to curb United's spending and Fergie Time wouldn't have been a thing with the TV scrutiny games get these days.
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How would United have suffered due to FFP under Fergie?
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He kept smashing the transfer record, probably had to borrow money at times to do it.
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Probably?

The money he spend was self-generated by the club. He was lucky in term of timings though, as we rode the crest of a wave being successful with all the new sky money coming into the PL.

Even so, SAF only broke the PL record 3 times I think? Not that frequently for someone who was in charge for such a long period.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
Fergie never had to deal with FFP or VAR.

It might have turned out differently if there had been rules to to curb United's spending and Fergie Time wouldn't have been a thing with the TV scrutiny games get these days.
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How would United have suffered due to FFP under Fergie?
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He kept smashing the transfer record, probably had to borrow money at times to do it.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 21 hours, 3 minutes ago
Yep, he moved ob loads of players. Mangala springs to mind Melts who if memory serves, we both thought would come good

What I loath is people rewriting history. Ferguson spent absolutely oodles on wages and transfer fees to put Utd at the top, more than anyone else until Roman came along. He’s quite obviously out spent everybody and hoovered up the leagues best talent by repeatedly breaking the transfer record and poaching players.

The answer to the above question re: transfer records is zero by the way. It’s never happened at any club he’s managed.
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Whether he has broken any records is largely irrelevant. What is relevant is the total amount he has spent. Ove the course of his career he has spent more than any other football manager = £1.7bn.

I am sure that if you allowed for inflation then SAF would be around the same, albeit he managed for 39 years compared to Pep's 16 years (to date).

Pep has spent more than £1bn whilst at City. Lets not make out like he has done it on a shoestring budget.

Ferguson broke the record five times, more than double anyone else.

The answer to the question I asked a day ago is zero btw.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Ferguson broke the record five times, more than double anyone else.
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Hmm. Who are these players? I have got Cole, Rio and Veron. In my head I am thinking that Pallister was one also, but he isn't on the list on the club's website.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 16 minutes ago
The answer to the question I asked a day ago is zero btw.
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And still the highest spending manager ever.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Ferguson broke the record five times, more than double anyone else.
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Hmm. Who are these players? I have got Cole, Rio and Veron. In my head I am thinking that Pallister was one also, but he isn't on the list on the club's website.
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Pep had broke the record once, it’s since been broken 3 times

Interesting article here on the subject Robbing:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12950536/premier-league-transfers-andriy-shevchenko-and-rio-ferdinand-top-all-time-inflation-adjusted-fees


Allowing for inflation, SAF spent 3.5bn in almost 27 years at United.

Pep has spend 1.5bn in 8 years. Probably a bit more since the article was published in August 2023.

So SAF has spent 2.33 times the amount Pep has in 3.38 times the amount of time. I'll let you do the rest of the maths.

…. by Arsenal and Chelsea who have won fek all since breaking that record

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Ferguson broke the record five times, more than double anyone else.
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Hmm. Who are these players? I have got Cole, Rio and Veron. In my head I am thinking that Pallister was one also, but he isn't on the list on the club's website.
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Pep had broke the record once, it’s since been broken 3 times
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I don't really know why Robbing is fixating on the transfer record anyway. Total spend provides a clearer picture, not what was spent on a particular player at a particular time.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Ferguson broke the record five times, more than double anyone else.
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Hmm. Who are these players? I have got Cole, Rio and Veron. In my head I am thinking that Pallister was one also, but he isn't on the list on the club's website.
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Pep had broke the record once, it’s since been broken 3 times
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I don't really know why Robbing is fixating on the transfer record anyway. Total spend provides a clearer picture, not what was spent on a particular player at a particular time.
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None of them really work as football isn’t an open market as such.

Allowing for inflation, SAF's average yearly spend was £129.6m compared to Pep's £187.5m.

So Pep is spending about 44% more in the PL than SAF did.

Including football inflation, how much did Fergie spend to win his first PL title?