posted 1 week, 2 days ago
No chance - as a Spurs fan I know a bottler when I see one and Arteta will have Arsenal crumbling whenever they get close - too emotional, too cliched and a romantic rather than a ruthless killer.
Just an opinion of course
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Not in England
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Not sure, thought he would cos we've constantly improved each season despite set backs and new lessons to learn each time. This season is putting doubt there though, although plenty of that is down to lack of ambition on the market this summer and I dunno how much responsibility he takes with that.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
We have gone backwards this season.
Also when we signed Havertz for £65m and made him our highest earner we enabled Chelsea to sign Palmer for £40m in the same window
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Salient points OP.
I would like to know who was responsible for last summer targets. Was it Arteta or was it Edu?
The approach for Sesko was puzzling. It was a recognition that we needed a striker which was clear to most fans (along with a winger) then nothing!
We had the money to buy Calafiori so why not a striker?
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Why do you think you have fallen off this season?
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
We had 3 young players developing. Development is not always linear. Season before last, Saka (14), Ode (15) and Martinelii (15) all contributed c15 goals. Last season, only Saka (16) continued improving. Ode scored 8 goals and Martinelli scored 6.
We hoped Odegaard would rebound, but he seems to have settled into a deeper role and has also been injured. The biggest disappointment has been Martinelli, and we should have bought a wide player last summer.
Arteta has decided not to start Sterling, maybe because he is only on loan and so may not be a part of the future. Opposing teams can see that and have doubled/tripled Saka and put immense pressure on him. Havertz took up the slack somewhat last season but has been over played because Jesus is a non factor.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why do you think you have fallen off this season?
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I think it's two fold.
On the pitch, I think there's a natural level of mental and physical fatigue and teams figuring us out. I actually thought we'd struggle more with this last season, but seems like it's finally hit us after the horrible fixtures we had to start the season took a lot out of us.
Off the pitch we didn't do enough in the summer. We took a few gambles - we sold ESR and Vieira and that backfired with Ode getting injured before Nwaneri was deemed ready to be a starter. We gambled on Sterling and he's not really done anything for us, but more than that players like Jesus, Martinelli, Trossard that he should be competing with are all also out of form. We spent all our money on an underwhelming midfielder and an injury prone defender.
Now we're suffering but kind of just about stuttering along, but the contrasting run of form/luck Liverpool are on at the moment makes it feel a little worse than it is because of the frustration of the situation.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why do you think you have fallen off this season?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it's two fold.
On the pitch, I think there's a natural level of mental and physical fatigue and teams figuring us out. I actually thought we'd struggle more with this last season, but seems like it's finally hit us after the horrible fixtures we had to start the season took a lot out of us.
Off the pitch we didn't do enough in the summer. We took a few gambles - we sold ESR and Vieira and that backfired with Ode getting injured before Nwaneri was deemed ready to be a starter. We gambled on Sterling and he's not really done anything for us, but more than that players like Jesus, Martinelli, Trossard that he should be competing with are all also out of form. We spent all our money on an underwhelming midfielder and an injury prone defender.
Now we're suffering but kind of just about stuttering along, but the contrasting run of form/luck Liverpool are on at the moment makes it feel a little worse than it is because of the frustration of the situation.
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You’ve been unlucky in that City finally fall of but Chelsea and Liverpool then massively improve.
Odegaard - how do you ever get adequate back up and keep them happy? We had this problem for years with Kane, Son and Eriksen - answer is you don’t and just hope that your injury luck holds.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Yeah the whole situation is frustrating, I feel like both will have wobbles and stuff moving forward but we might just be leaving ourselves too far behind to do anything when that does happen.
Yeah it really is, I think that's why ESR wanted to go & we moved on Vieira for him to get a chance to develop. In theory bedding in Nwaneri as his backup over the season could have been the ideal situation, but then he gets a fairly long injury before Nwaneri has really had a chance to get any meaningful minutes.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
"No chance - as a Spurs fan I know a bottler when I see one"
🤣🤣
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 3 hours, 34 minutes ago
Why do you think you have fallen off this season?
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The chickens have come home to roost.
1) A focus on buying defenders instead of building a forward line that strikes fear in others. Apart from Saka, our front 3 scares NO ONE!! We are sussed out...Havertz blows hot and cold and the left wingers have nothing happening due to system and form (I blame the system more because we have seen Martinelli when the system supports him)
2) Arteta tinkers when he does not need to. For 2 seasons straight, we have finished the season like a freight train...but then he dismantles the style to try something new. It's almost like he does not give the team a chance to actually master a style of play before he changes it.
3) Unlucky with injuries (or we were lucky with them previously). 2 seasons ago, Saliba and Tomi got injured and it showed a lack of depth. Arteta has gone all out getting defenders but they are all injured. Granted, Tomi and Zinny (Tierney too) are very injury prone and should be shifted out. And Calafiori seems to love the medical room too. It is shocking to have 9 mature/experienced defenders at the club and 5 of them are out!!
Honestly, if Arteta does not win the UCL or both the FA and League cup, should we cut our losses?? Or do we go all out for a legit striker and winger, ship off some of the crocks and see what next season holds? But if he goes trophyless this and next season, he needs to be booted.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
totally agree. Martinelli and Trossard have been awful, I would give a chance to Sterling to start few games.
MLS and Nwaneri showed they can cope with pressure and put in better performances than some seniors, so I don't understand also why would Arteta play players out of position rather than youngesters in their natural positions.
He has done a much better job at Arsenal than I ever thought he would do. Didn't think he'd have you this close if I'm honest and I'm sure there's thousands of Arsenal fans would say the same if they are being 100% honest. So many wanted him gone after 18-24 months let's not forget.
Will be win you a PL or CL? Nah I don't think he will personally. If he finishes behind two managers brand new to the league this season in Slot and Maresca it's not going to be a good look for him I don't think.
Tricky situation though to even think about moving him on next summer because he's given you stability. If you get rid you could crumble.
posted 6 days, 18 hours ago
Arteta won't win any major titles with us. We had 2 glorious opportunities in the past 2 seasons and bottled them both when we should have taken them. Now as the OP says, the chickens have come home to roost.
His playing style and signings are laughable - way too defensive, it's almost as if he's scared to attack.
The idea that if we move on from him the club will crumble is a fallacy. We should bin him if this season isn't successful - he's wasted enough funds with the Havertz / Merino signings already (and those are just the recent ones).
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posted 1 week, 2 days ago
No chance - as a Spurs fan I know a bottler when I see one and Arteta will have Arsenal crumbling whenever they get close - too emotional, too cliched and a romantic rather than a ruthless killer.
Just an opinion of course
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Not in England
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Not sure, thought he would cos we've constantly improved each season despite set backs and new lessons to learn each time. This season is putting doubt there though, although plenty of that is down to lack of ambition on the market this summer and I dunno how much responsibility he takes with that.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
We have gone backwards this season.
Also when we signed Havertz for £65m and made him our highest earner we enabled Chelsea to sign Palmer for £40m in the same window
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Salient points OP.
I would like to know who was responsible for last summer targets. Was it Arteta or was it Edu?
The approach for Sesko was puzzling. It was a recognition that we needed a striker which was clear to most fans (along with a winger) then nothing!
We had the money to buy Calafiori so why not a striker?
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Why do you think you have fallen off this season?
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
We had 3 young players developing. Development is not always linear. Season before last, Saka (14), Ode (15) and Martinelii (15) all contributed c15 goals. Last season, only Saka (16) continued improving. Ode scored 8 goals and Martinelli scored 6.
We hoped Odegaard would rebound, but he seems to have settled into a deeper role and has also been injured. The biggest disappointment has been Martinelli, and we should have bought a wide player last summer.
Arteta has decided not to start Sterling, maybe because he is only on loan and so may not be a part of the future. Opposing teams can see that and have doubled/tripled Saka and put immense pressure on him. Havertz took up the slack somewhat last season but has been over played because Jesus is a non factor.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why do you think you have fallen off this season?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it's two fold.
On the pitch, I think there's a natural level of mental and physical fatigue and teams figuring us out. I actually thought we'd struggle more with this last season, but seems like it's finally hit us after the horrible fixtures we had to start the season took a lot out of us.
Off the pitch we didn't do enough in the summer. We took a few gambles - we sold ESR and Vieira and that backfired with Ode getting injured before Nwaneri was deemed ready to be a starter. We gambled on Sterling and he's not really done anything for us, but more than that players like Jesus, Martinelli, Trossard that he should be competing with are all also out of form. We spent all our money on an underwhelming midfielder and an injury prone defender.
Now we're suffering but kind of just about stuttering along, but the contrasting run of form/luck Liverpool are on at the moment makes it feel a little worse than it is because of the frustration of the situation.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why do you think you have fallen off this season?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it's two fold.
On the pitch, I think there's a natural level of mental and physical fatigue and teams figuring us out. I actually thought we'd struggle more with this last season, but seems like it's finally hit us after the horrible fixtures we had to start the season took a lot out of us.
Off the pitch we didn't do enough in the summer. We took a few gambles - we sold ESR and Vieira and that backfired with Ode getting injured before Nwaneri was deemed ready to be a starter. We gambled on Sterling and he's not really done anything for us, but more than that players like Jesus, Martinelli, Trossard that he should be competing with are all also out of form. We spent all our money on an underwhelming midfielder and an injury prone defender.
Now we're suffering but kind of just about stuttering along, but the contrasting run of form/luck Liverpool are on at the moment makes it feel a little worse than it is because of the frustration of the situation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’ve been unlucky in that City finally fall of but Chelsea and Liverpool then massively improve.
Odegaard - how do you ever get adequate back up and keep them happy? We had this problem for years with Kane, Son and Eriksen - answer is you don’t and just hope that your injury luck holds.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Yeah the whole situation is frustrating, I feel like both will have wobbles and stuff moving forward but we might just be leaving ourselves too far behind to do anything when that does happen.
Yeah it really is, I think that's why ESR wanted to go & we moved on Vieira for him to get a chance to develop. In theory bedding in Nwaneri as his backup over the season could have been the ideal situation, but then he gets a fairly long injury before Nwaneri has really had a chance to get any meaningful minutes.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
"No chance - as a Spurs fan I know a bottler when I see one"
🤣🤣
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 3 hours, 34 minutes ago
Why do you think you have fallen off this season?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The chickens have come home to roost.
1) A focus on buying defenders instead of building a forward line that strikes fear in others. Apart from Saka, our front 3 scares NO ONE!! We are sussed out...Havertz blows hot and cold and the left wingers have nothing happening due to system and form (I blame the system more because we have seen Martinelli when the system supports him)
2) Arteta tinkers when he does not need to. For 2 seasons straight, we have finished the season like a freight train...but then he dismantles the style to try something new. It's almost like he does not give the team a chance to actually master a style of play before he changes it.
3) Unlucky with injuries (or we were lucky with them previously). 2 seasons ago, Saliba and Tomi got injured and it showed a lack of depth. Arteta has gone all out getting defenders but they are all injured. Granted, Tomi and Zinny (Tierney too) are very injury prone and should be shifted out. And Calafiori seems to love the medical room too. It is shocking to have 9 mature/experienced defenders at the club and 5 of them are out!!
Honestly, if Arteta does not win the UCL or both the FA and League cup, should we cut our losses?? Or do we go all out for a legit striker and winger, ship off some of the crocks and see what next season holds? But if he goes trophyless this and next season, he needs to be booted.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
totally agree. Martinelli and Trossard have been awful, I would give a chance to Sterling to start few games.
MLS and Nwaneri showed they can cope with pressure and put in better performances than some seniors, so I don't understand also why would Arteta play players out of position rather than youngesters in their natural positions.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
He has done a much better job at Arsenal than I ever thought he would do. Didn't think he'd have you this close if I'm honest and I'm sure there's thousands of Arsenal fans would say the same if they are being 100% honest. So many wanted him gone after 18-24 months let's not forget.
Will be win you a PL or CL? Nah I don't think he will personally. If he finishes behind two managers brand new to the league this season in Slot and Maresca it's not going to be a good look for him I don't think.
Tricky situation though to even think about moving him on next summer because he's given you stability. If you get rid you could crumble.
posted 6 days, 18 hours ago
Arteta won't win any major titles with us. We had 2 glorious opportunities in the past 2 seasons and bottled them both when we should have taken them. Now as the OP says, the chickens have come home to roost.
His playing style and signings are laughable - way too defensive, it's almost as if he's scared to attack.
The idea that if we move on from him the club will crumble is a fallacy. We should bin him if this season isn't successful - he's wasted enough funds with the Havertz / Merino signings already (and those are just the recent ones).
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