Good article. I think Leeds fans are not too different from most fans though.
Leicester fans were calling for their managers head last year while they were cruising the league. Look how that worked, Chelsea seem happy with him.
Enjoy the ride are some very wise words.
I am because winning is great. The step up to the PL is immense so the one thing we as fans will have to be is patient.
A manager like Bielsa is not available every year. What he accomplished was phenomenal. Ninth place and some of the most entertaining football in the league.
One thing for sure I'm going to be more realistic if, I mean when we go up because I do think we have the ownership to build a steady pl club once again.
Think some fans, myself included are concerned that season might be bottle job season 3. Those people felt that we stood still in January for both Bielsa and Farke in there first season's as we saw Norwich/Sheff Utd/Villa and Leicester/Ipswich/Saints all fob us off despite arguably being team in both of those season's.
We are top but its solely down to our home form. Away from home we are susceptible to dropping points which not only are avoidable points, but detrimental to our promotion push as Sheff Utd AND Burnley are keeping pace.
The football is boring but effective, which doesn't matter so long as we get promoted. It just feels like deja Vu a little bit with Burnley and Sunderland playing the panto villian roles against us and with talks about a quiet January window once again, its hard to not feel a little concerned that we'll get found out again.
Yep, I think it’s probably an age issue too. The older fans on here (the majority of JA606ers is my guess) remember the past glories whereas I can understand if the younger contributors among us hold the club to different standards.
I often refer to Huddersfield Town FC in comparison to us … they won the League 3 times, runners-up 3 times, FA Cup winners and runners-up 4 times - all a very long time ago, but 30 years ago, their fans were probably in the same place, emotionally, as many of our older fans are now. I still genuinely think we (Leeds) have got a chance of future success in the form of a domestic cup win and qualifying for Europe, and that should be our realistic goal over, say, the next 5 years.
I think people are just concerned at seeing us mess up again, like we’ve seen Leeds do so many times. So they are projecting their fears onto the team - how Farke is terrible etc because they’re worried he’ll fail so have decided he already isn’t good enough.
Part of it is that we’ve seen Leeds at the top end of the championship the last 4 seasons we’ve been at this level so the novelty of winning games that was in Bielsa’s first season has gone
I think its simply because the club is so far behind where its baseline should be. Appreciate that no club has a divine right to be in a certain place and as fans we must understand that are hopes simply lie in a handful of people at the club who steer the ship.
But
this is a one city club and a huge city at that.
we have a history of been in far better places
it hurts so bad that we had so much from the Revie and Sgt Wilko periods and gave it all away
We SHOULD be in the top 10 of the premier league season in, season out with hopes of challenging higher at times. Until we get there the expectations are so much higher at Leeds than at other "big" clubs. There are no bigger clubs below us in the football pyramid and there hasnt been for 20 years.
"The shirt weighs heavy".
Totally agree kebab.. spot on that
Completely agree kebab.
And i’ve been thinking about stuff today.
Personally, I think squad is miles better than anything else in League. And without any signings, should walk it.
And whilst I think January transfers are fraught with danger, I’ve come round to the thinking, lets flex our huge muscles and get someone top in.
A player who is a number 10, but can play upfront if needed.
Wont be easy but lets not feck about
comment by Shaun M - supercalifragilisticOrtaisatrocious (U9955)
posted 3 hours, 23 minutes ago
Think some fans, myself included are concerned that season might be bottle job season 3. Those people felt that we stood still in January for both Bielsa and Farke in there first season's as we saw Norwich/Sheff Utd/Villa and Leicester/Ipswich/Saints all fob us off despite arguably being team in both of those season's.
We are top but its solely down to our home form. Away from home we are susceptible to dropping points which not only are avoidable points, but detrimental to our promotion push as Sheff Utd AND Burnley are keeping pace.
^^^
100% agree Shaun.
We're also need to remember Sheff U had a 2 point deduction. Without that, they're top.
Also agree, get whichever 10 Farke wants.
Oscar Bobb's back in training.
Good article and response from Kebab is spot on. I get all the common sense of being happy with the ride, but we all know how that can end. Understandably, a lot of us are anxious, so enjoying the ride is not possible.
Not only are we behind where we think we should be, Farke is proving to be just as stubborn as Bielsa, and his recent comments suggest that he does not look at the evidence before his own eyes: Mes will keep us in this division, just as certain as Bamford will never get us out of it. The fact that he thinks the smallest squad in the division is good enough to get us promoted, while our competitors are strengthening their squads, suggests he has learned nothing from our failings in the January transfer market last year.
As decent as he is as a person, he is not convincing me that he is the coach to lead us to promotion and beyond.
Secondly, it cannot be overstated that the football in this division is brutal. The thought of playing Stoke or Cardiff or Blackburn again next season, or any season, send shivers down my spine.
Thirdly, adding to the anxiety, is the sense that this is our best and final chance to get back into the Premier League. If we fail this season, we will lose at least seven of our top performers and will basically have to start all over again.
Discontent? Perhaps not, but anxiety, definitely.
posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
When was the last time Leeds brought in many players in the January window? And how did that go?
Exactly. It has been said over and over by all managers; the January window is a tricky one.
Some always say other teams are doing sooo much business, and so much better than Leeds in January.
Well, there can be a gem or two, naturally, but all in all January is most likely not going to bring in many new faces, and most likely not going to strengthen the team in areas we all would like see strengthening.
On another note; this forum has become quite toxic at times. Sometimes one thinks it's better to not write anything at all.
posted 6 days, 15 hours ago
On another note; this forum has become quite toxic at times. Sometimes one thinks it's better to not write anything at all.
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I think for the majority of times when a problem arises, it’s a misunderstanding rather than someone being malicious.
posted 6 days, 14 hours ago
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 13 hours, 18 minutes ago
Completely agree kebab.
And i’ve been thinking about stuff today.
Personally, I think squad is miles better than anything else in League. And without any signings, should walk it.
And whilst I think January transfers are fraught with danger, I’ve come round to the thinking, lets flex our huge muscles and get someone top in.
A player who is a number 10, but can play upfront if needed.
Wont be easy but lets not feck about
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree. It's not that the squad we have couldn't or shouldn't make top two, but if we have the resources and players on our radar that could bolster the squad, why not do it. Better to over prepare and overstock and have plenty to spare than risk leaving ourselves short.I am sure our rivals won't be happy if we strengthen.Disagree with Farke over Meslier but part of me thinks surely he has to improve on what he has shown this season at some point.
posted 6 days, 12 hours ago
comment by RobLUFC (U5692)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 13 hours, 18 minutes ago
Completely agree kebab.
And i’ve been thinking about stuff today.
Personally, I think squad is miles better than anything else in League. And without any signings, should walk it.
And whilst I think January transfers are fraught with danger, I’ve come round to the thinking, lets flex our huge muscles and get someone top in.
A player who is a number 10, but can play upfront if needed.
Wont be easy but lets not feck about
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree. It's not that the squad we have couldn't or shouldn't make top two, but if we have the resources and players on our radar that could bolster the squad, why not do it. Better to over prepare and overstock and have plenty to spare than risk leaving ourselves short.I am sure our rivals won't be happy if we strengthen.Disagree with Farke over Meslier but part of me thinks surely he has to improve on what he has shown this season at some point.
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The problem with Mes is not just the gaffes. It's the uncertainty he causes in the defence. They don't know what to expect from him. Are Burnley's defenders better than ours? No. The difference is they don't have to second-guess their keeper all the time. Have a look at the Swansea game, where we had to score four goals to win it. Ask yourself this: Would Trafford or Hooper have let in three goals in that one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuZ4tIqUZJU&ab_channel=LeedsUnitedOfficial
If we just brought in a decent keeper, that would gain us about four points on top of what Mes will offer us, based on Mes' performances so far. How much would that cost us?
That's the only position we can't navigate our way around.
A centre-forward and/or an attacking midfielder would be nice, but we are the top scorers without them. We are fine in the other outfield positions.
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posted 1 week, 1 day ago
Good article. I think Leeds fans are not too different from most fans though.
Leicester fans were calling for their managers head last year while they were cruising the league. Look how that worked, Chelsea seem happy with him.
Enjoy the ride are some very wise words.
I am because winning is great. The step up to the PL is immense so the one thing we as fans will have to be is patient.
A manager like Bielsa is not available every year. What he accomplished was phenomenal. Ninth place and some of the most entertaining football in the league.
One thing for sure I'm going to be more realistic if, I mean when we go up because I do think we have the ownership to build a steady pl club once again.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
Think some fans, myself included are concerned that season might be bottle job season 3. Those people felt that we stood still in January for both Bielsa and Farke in there first season's as we saw Norwich/Sheff Utd/Villa and Leicester/Ipswich/Saints all fob us off despite arguably being team in both of those season's.
We are top but its solely down to our home form. Away from home we are susceptible to dropping points which not only are avoidable points, but detrimental to our promotion push as Sheff Utd AND Burnley are keeping pace.
The football is boring but effective, which doesn't matter so long as we get promoted. It just feels like deja Vu a little bit with Burnley and Sunderland playing the panto villian roles against us and with talks about a quiet January window once again, its hard to not feel a little concerned that we'll get found out again.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
Yep, I think it’s probably an age issue too. The older fans on here (the majority of JA606ers is my guess) remember the past glories whereas I can understand if the younger contributors among us hold the club to different standards.
I often refer to Huddersfield Town FC in comparison to us … they won the League 3 times, runners-up 3 times, FA Cup winners and runners-up 4 times - all a very long time ago, but 30 years ago, their fans were probably in the same place, emotionally, as many of our older fans are now. I still genuinely think we (Leeds) have got a chance of future success in the form of a domestic cup win and qualifying for Europe, and that should be our realistic goal over, say, the next 5 years.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
I think people are just concerned at seeing us mess up again, like we’ve seen Leeds do so many times. So they are projecting their fears onto the team - how Farke is terrible etc because they’re worried he’ll fail so have decided he already isn’t good enough.
Part of it is that we’ve seen Leeds at the top end of the championship the last 4 seasons we’ve been at this level so the novelty of winning games that was in Bielsa’s first season has gone
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
I think its simply because the club is so far behind where its baseline should be. Appreciate that no club has a divine right to be in a certain place and as fans we must understand that are hopes simply lie in a handful of people at the club who steer the ship.
But
this is a one city club and a huge city at that.
we have a history of been in far better places
it hurts so bad that we had so much from the Revie and Sgt Wilko periods and gave it all away
We SHOULD be in the top 10 of the premier league season in, season out with hopes of challenging higher at times. Until we get there the expectations are so much higher at Leeds than at other "big" clubs. There are no bigger clubs below us in the football pyramid and there hasnt been for 20 years.
"The shirt weighs heavy".
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
Totally agree kebab.. spot on that
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
Completely agree kebab.
And i’ve been thinking about stuff today.
Personally, I think squad is miles better than anything else in League. And without any signings, should walk it.
And whilst I think January transfers are fraught with danger, I’ve come round to the thinking, lets flex our huge muscles and get someone top in.
A player who is a number 10, but can play upfront if needed.
Wont be easy but lets not feck about
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Shaun M - supercalifragilisticOrtaisatrocious (U9955)
posted 3 hours, 23 minutes ago
Think some fans, myself included are concerned that season might be bottle job season 3. Those people felt that we stood still in January for both Bielsa and Farke in there first season's as we saw Norwich/Sheff Utd/Villa and Leicester/Ipswich/Saints all fob us off despite arguably being team in both of those season's.
We are top but its solely down to our home form. Away from home we are susceptible to dropping points which not only are avoidable points, but detrimental to our promotion push as Sheff Utd AND Burnley are keeping pace.
^^^
100% agree Shaun.
We're also need to remember Sheff U had a 2 point deduction. Without that, they're top.
Also agree, get whichever 10 Farke wants.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
And/or a 9.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
Oscar Bobb's back in training.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
Good article and response from Kebab is spot on. I get all the common sense of being happy with the ride, but we all know how that can end. Understandably, a lot of us are anxious, so enjoying the ride is not possible.
Not only are we behind where we think we should be, Farke is proving to be just as stubborn as Bielsa, and his recent comments suggest that he does not look at the evidence before his own eyes: Mes will keep us in this division, just as certain as Bamford will never get us out of it. The fact that he thinks the smallest squad in the division is good enough to get us promoted, while our competitors are strengthening their squads, suggests he has learned nothing from our failings in the January transfer market last year.
As decent as he is as a person, he is not convincing me that he is the coach to lead us to promotion and beyond.
Secondly, it cannot be overstated that the football in this division is brutal. The thought of playing Stoke or Cardiff or Blackburn again next season, or any season, send shivers down my spine.
Thirdly, adding to the anxiety, is the sense that this is our best and final chance to get back into the Premier League. If we fail this season, we will lose at least seven of our top performers and will basically have to start all over again.
Discontent? Perhaps not, but anxiety, definitely.
posted 6 days, 21 hours ago
When was the last time Leeds brought in many players in the January window? And how did that go?
Exactly. It has been said over and over by all managers; the January window is a tricky one.
Some always say other teams are doing sooo much business, and so much better than Leeds in January.
Well, there can be a gem or two, naturally, but all in all January is most likely not going to bring in many new faces, and most likely not going to strengthen the team in areas we all would like see strengthening.
On another note; this forum has become quite toxic at times. Sometimes one thinks it's better to not write anything at all.
posted 6 days, 15 hours ago
On another note; this forum has become quite toxic at times. Sometimes one thinks it's better to not write anything at all.
—————————————————————
I think for the majority of times when a problem arises, it’s a misunderstanding rather than someone being malicious.
posted 6 days, 14 hours ago
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 13 hours, 18 minutes ago
Completely agree kebab.
And i’ve been thinking about stuff today.
Personally, I think squad is miles better than anything else in League. And without any signings, should walk it.
And whilst I think January transfers are fraught with danger, I’ve come round to the thinking, lets flex our huge muscles and get someone top in.
A player who is a number 10, but can play upfront if needed.
Wont be easy but lets not feck about
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree. It's not that the squad we have couldn't or shouldn't make top two, but if we have the resources and players on our radar that could bolster the squad, why not do it. Better to over prepare and overstock and have plenty to spare than risk leaving ourselves short.I am sure our rivals won't be happy if we strengthen.Disagree with Farke over Meslier but part of me thinks surely he has to improve on what he has shown this season at some point.
posted 6 days, 12 hours ago
comment by RobLUFC (U5692)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 13 hours, 18 minutes ago
Completely agree kebab.
And i’ve been thinking about stuff today.
Personally, I think squad is miles better than anything else in League. And without any signings, should walk it.
And whilst I think January transfers are fraught with danger, I’ve come round to the thinking, lets flex our huge muscles and get someone top in.
A player who is a number 10, but can play upfront if needed.
Wont be easy but lets not feck about
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree. It's not that the squad we have couldn't or shouldn't make top two, but if we have the resources and players on our radar that could bolster the squad, why not do it. Better to over prepare and overstock and have plenty to spare than risk leaving ourselves short.I am sure our rivals won't be happy if we strengthen.Disagree with Farke over Meslier but part of me thinks surely he has to improve on what he has shown this season at some point.
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The problem with Mes is not just the gaffes. It's the uncertainty he causes in the defence. They don't know what to expect from him. Are Burnley's defenders better than ours? No. The difference is they don't have to second-guess their keeper all the time. Have a look at the Swansea game, where we had to score four goals to win it. Ask yourself this: Would Trafford or Hooper have let in three goals in that one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuZ4tIqUZJU&ab_channel=LeedsUnitedOfficial
If we just brought in a decent keeper, that would gain us about four points on top of what Mes will offer us, based on Mes' performances so far. How much would that cost us?
That's the only position we can't navigate our way around.
A centre-forward and/or an attacking midfielder would be nice, but we are the top scorers without them. We are fine in the other outfield positions.
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